The Proton MPV has been spotted yet again – this time not just one but two of them traveling at the same time on the PLUS Highway. This video was shot by reader crash and as it was shot from the passenger side, he was able to turn the camera around abit more as the car he was in passed by the two Proton MPVs so that we can see a little more of how the front looks like. Still not as clear as we’d all hope to try to make out details but we are able to judge better the general shape of the front of the car from the angle in this video. Look after the jump to watch the video.
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It looks as big as Naza Ria. If it is priced right I suppose it will be a hit for those with big families. Hopefully they will do thorough QC before releasing the car.
I personally think if P1 really want to do a real road test and keep secret about their MPV, they can choose a highway less travel.. Why they use PLUS..? I think this just a FREE upcoming promotion for the buyer before the launch… Just like they purposely leaked the NEO picture on the net before…
This video is much more clear to see abouth the actual shape and size of the P1 new MPV. It looks a bit bulky and boxy for the body…doesn’t look that stylish like Estima nor Grandis.
the police should ban these Proton mules from the public roads, with half of paultan.org readers sacrificing their lives just to grab a fuzzy photo someone is gonna get hurt sooner or later…
It was good job for proton to test it in real road, to get real feel of the car. But to thing 2 MPV at one time, just like Satria Neo last time then make me have this idea. May be there are 2 type of engine that Proton testing at same time. It can be IAFM and CPS for the Neo last time, or may be this MPV having prototype campro turbo or 1.8 CPS…
Haha…yet took time to check tis posted items n left a comment!…mcm2…
Back to the MPV…I somewhat feel its a marketing ploy to tease and test the market…looking for responses….hoping for positive ones and also…negative comments, eg. as attached…hehe…
but it does looks promising, eager for more complete picture…
i think the reasons for using hiway are:
*low people/lane ratio i.e. less people compared to crowded town.
*FC test for long journey.
*shah alam to tg malim & back.
i can’t comment on the exterior yet as it is taped & video isn’t that clear.
btw,
driving & using hp at the same time are forbidden by law.
not driving & using hp at the same time are not forbidden by law. (passanger la)
the mpv is driven quite fast, look at the car speed meter, maybe at 120kmph. btw, dont judge the shape is boxy and not stylish, it is not the final look. now what is important is to see the mpv size, not the correct time to see is there stylish or not. wait till it launch to see it stylishness. and by that time, u can add some skirting, and sure it damn cool!!
Back looks like Kenari. Hope the workers assembling the proton cars (and the QC personnels) pay more attention the the fit and finish so that no more kok kok (ke)! Proton is improving but they need to gain back the confidence of public, including me who have bad experience with 2005/6 Waja! This MPV should be priced below 80K in whole malaysia, otherwise many will go for GL.
It’s bulky. Ya, agreed the front looks like Neo as well, but hopefully they pull the front lamp to the side wider.. slightly wider, and the grille appear longer too. The rear are simply too bulky, like Naza Ria. Well, with this chassis, 7 orang muat dalam, the video was running like 110-120? How’re they going to make it when it’s an emergency brake?
(Honestly, darm impressive with the driver up there, chasing them like~but i think the Mpvs were trying to run away from them too..lol)
Haha reminds me of the time I filmed the covered-up Satria Neo. Yeah it’s safer when u’re not the one driving :)
Looks promising… btw mules ARE supposed to look ugly. It’s to confuse people so noone can make out the design until it’s launched. Remember the stegosaurus GEN.2 in france?
Y don’t bang them? Bang them and make them stop then tear off those stickers to see what’s inside. Hahahaha
Still doubt what is under the hood and FF or FR?
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bang one, bang two… we can see the different… the engine… etc… make sure bang untill turtle, then we can see underneath… FR / RR… can also test the rigidity of the shell… or if there is airbag.. can count also how many…
It was good job for proton to test it in real road, to get real feel of the car. But to thing 2 MPV at one time, just like Satria Neo last time then make me have this idea. May be there are 2 type of engine that Proton testing at same time. It can be IAFM and CPS for the Neo last time, or may be this MPV having prototype campro turbo or 1.8 CPS…
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2 MPV at one time maybe one is manual and another one is auto…wakaka…
psst,… don’t say that to ALPINA larr,..
he’s driving a BMW la mat. Who we are to kutuk2 BMW drivers..?
we can only afford a Proton so just let MR BMW AlPeeNa say whatever he wanted to say ok. Hmm tapi kan nampak macam mamat ni takde life lorrr… . kutuk proton tapi masuk gak thread pasal Proton .. hehe funny guy :P
psst,… don’t say that to ALPINA larr,..
he’s driving a BMW la mat. Who we are to kutuk2 BMW drivers..?
we can only afford a Proton so just let MR BMW AlPeeNa say whatever he wanted to say ok. Hmm tapi kan nampak macam mamat ni takde life lorrr… . kutuk proton tapi masuk gak thread pasal Proton .. hehe funny guy :P
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Than i can’t even leave any comment here,coz i jz can afford BMx…hahaz..
Like I said before …… Proton MPV – it will be a redbadged Chery Eastar. The one that everybody says is a lousy China car no quality etc. Now Proton MPV is based on that platform ……. let’s see the response again ….. haha
hard to believe since nobody actually confirming wat u saying…official or non official….at the end of the day…if the car has good quality.nice driving.plenty of space and reliable…i dont see why ppl wd bother if its based on a china car…bt again…hard to believe ur claim though since no proof !
this is an up coming market for 7 seaters MPVs & if the price is right, the displacement between 1.8cc to 2.0cc then is gonna be a hot cake…as long as not more than Naza Ria(the fuel guzzler)..
psst,… don’t say that to ALPINA larr,..
he’s driving a BMW la mat. Who we are to kutuk2 BMW drivers..?
we can only afford a Proton so just let MR BMW AlPeeNa say whatever he wanted to say ok. Hmm tapi kan nampak macam mamat ni takde life lorrr… . kutuk proton tapi masuk gak thread pasal Proton .. hehe funny guy :P
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woi.. i also drive bmw la.. dont la lump me in together with mr. alpina. Some bmw owners have more intelligence to post constructive comments and can type our more than 2 words ok? ;)
anyways.. i find it strange that some people actually think that proton would pay someone to take spyshots and leak them out.. why pay someone to do it when you have the actual prototypes, just get some staff to shoot the darn cars and send it to paul la.. and its for FREE.
but the facts are, proton are not doing anything out of the ordinary. all car manufacturers around the world do this. its call real-world testing. just because the pic of them on the highway is shown, doesnt mean they dont test in country roads. from what i’ve seen and read in the past about proton’s testing, these cars will definitely be destined for the australian desert for hot weather testing, maybe scandinavia for cold weather testing, and they will definitely need to crash a few cars also to meet regulations for countries that it will be exported too.
if you live in the UK, or germany..etc.. there are also opportunities to see camo’ed cars being tested on public roads.
If the Proton MPV is indeed based on a Chery Eastar platform, I hope that it can at least get 3 stars (if not 4) for Crash Test. Most made in China cars perform very badly in crash test, scary when you compare it against the Europeans or even Japanese cars. Heck, even the Rondo performed very well during the crash test.
Like I said before …… Proton MPV – it will be a redbadged Chery Eastar. The one that everybody says is a lousy China car no quality etc. Now Proton MPV is based on that platform ……. let’s see the response again ….. haha
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So it is from tat China Mpv platform right..MtFk on my previous post some one even said please giv “prove” on wat i said….what ever it is..juz hope Proton reli work out on its QC…
Common MajuPerak! Stop spreading out rumours or just to test how people respond to ur comment! On what basis do u say that this MPV is based on Cherry Eastar? Do u have any prove? Any black n white? Pictures? Drawings? Anything at all? P1 can sue u if they want if u start spreading rumours like this. They have their own legal department with their own full time working lawyers u know?
To everybody out there reading this, THIS MPV IS NOT BASED ON CHERRY EASTAR or ANY OTHER MODELS YA! Heck, Cherry Eastar is not even one of the benchmark!
China made platform do performed badly in crash test not only due to the design, yet the grade of raw steel they use are terrible. Just imagine there are almost all of the steel angle bar(we call it “L” bar) selling in China is not in 90 degree….and easily bend over compare with the same thickness of Malaysia’s angle bar…
Like I said before …… Proton MPV – it will be a redbadged Chery Eastar. The one that everybody says is a lousy China car no quality etc. Now Proton MPV is based on that platform ……. let’s see the response again ….. haha—
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“The ability to speak, does not make one intelligent”. Qui-Gon Jinn, Star Wars Episode 1: The Phantom Menace.
in short, anyone can say anything they want on the internet. unless that person can qualify what they say with some facts or research, it might as well be an outright lie, or 100% innaccurate as far as we know.
but if facts and intelligent discussion is what you want, you should read this article written by paul, which is probably the most accurate and objective comment on this subject i’ve ever seen so far.
plz murder anyone saying its a based on cherry shit……the claim itself was shocking anyway….bt thnx for confirming it , IT IS NOT BASED ON ANY CHINA CRAP CARS….
wow, its so bulky and fat! looks like it was meant for our fat ministers hahaha. i can foreseen its as the no.1 local mpv of the year!
if proton screws this one up, even if rm150k can buy 2 of it, hence twice the troubles. thats my honest opinion. if dislike it, pls ignore it. thank you.
agree with si-fu. to majuperak, dont post comment only just to see how other respond to you. please talk based on fact or proof and after that lets look how we respond. ckp saja tada guna..
Any topic regarding Proton in Paul’s never fails to amuse me. Hehehe…
Thankfully, we still have commentors like BanyakMasukWorkshop. At least he’s one of many who still write with his head.
Haizz….people… Now I forgot what to write about this upcoming MPV. Huhuhu….
yo Mr. BanyakMasukWorkshop .. Sorry la if my post in any way offend you or any other BMW owners out there.. .maaf zahir batin ya. :)
Like you said not all BMW owners are arrogant or things like that, just one person and they gave bad impression already. I know a gentleman who drives a shiny black Z4 living next to my mom’s house and he’s really a very nice person. (He also owns BMW 7 too..! ) He didn’t mind to ride in my old smelly Proton to go to a place or two. Many times.
In our friend’s case here, he should be okay. Hopefully his Beemer will be in very, very good shape in the long run, like for another 50 more years. As for me I only drive my dream BMW 3 sports in,.. where else,… in my dream only lah !
Front looks like the current Saga and from B pillar onwards it looks like the designer went to have a teh-tarik. The lines after the B pillar just goes straight up and the lines just stop abruptly at the tailgate. With the tailgate design to suit like a old mini van’s door.
The only plus point of this is that headroom and space will be generous at the back especially but design wise it looks as amateurish as when the Waja, Gen-2 first came out.
Was interested about the concept of a Proton MPV but now looking at the design in toto, it just doesn’t cut it. I doubt the performance is going to be anything but yawningly . Another Proton in the bin. Sorry to say that.
hvannees said,
October 23, 2008 @ 12:46 pm
agree with si-fu. to majuperak, dont post comment only just to see how other respond to you. please talk based on fact or proof and after that lets look how we respond. ckp saja tada guna..
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how to ask them to talk based on fact?
some of them (basher) not even had a brain! lol! .
BTW, it seems look bulky, but the front side look nice and just right.
It look fast enough but it wasn’t an issue.. because the more important is how it start to move from 0kmh with a low RPM.
I would suggest to those who trying to comment it looks, to hold on first, because the vehichle is camoufludged…Camoufludge simply means that it suppose to look different and deceiving from the original design so that no one can have an idea how the design looks like! Please understand the term camoufludge first before commenting on the exterior design!
the police should ban these Proton mules from the public roads, with half of paultan.org readers sacrificing their lives just to grab a fuzzy photo someone is gonna get hurt sooner or later…
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firstly all car companies have to test their cars on the public roads at some point of time, not only proton and secondly if they don’t test the cars on the public road they will never know how the car will will perform outside the test facility.
anyway the mpv doesn’t look that bad considering that it is a taped up test mule. i noticed that the rims are just normal steel wheels on these test mules unlike the mpvs in the other shots.
psst,… don’t say that to ALPINA larr,..
he’s driving a BMW la mat. Who we are to kutuk2 BMW drivers..?
we can only afford a Proton so just let MR BMW AlPeeNa say whatever he wanted to say ok. Hmm tapi kan nampak macam mamat ni takde life lorrr… . kutuk proton tapi masuk gak thread pasal Proton .. hehe funny guy :P
you guys are very hard to please laa… boxy design will improve space and headroom… when it comes to Proton, some of us just shut their eyes (and perception) that Proton cars will never be good enough for them. A little bit of “boxiness” (if there is such a word) here and there is current trend for car design from what I see… but it’s not as boxy as Toyota Alphard, right? (surpised that no one mention that “King of BOXY MPV”… Why? Because it is a Toyota right….)
It’s a really good news to hear proton had design the first MPV, but the design is look simple, can proton design something like “ALPHARD” looks and grand livina price?
Anyhow to all readers, it is normal for prototype cars to be disguised. To hide its real shape. Usually they will put special 3M tape with corrugated plastic or foam behind it to hide the real shape. For the P6-20A Proton MPV prototype seen on the road, the rear tailgate, most of the rear quarter, part of the doors and the front quarter is covered with camouflage.
Sorry for the spelling yah…my english getting rusty already!
Mr. …said, i think u n i are working in the same place! hahahahaha! Because u seem to know how P1 camouflage their cars and u know the MPV code name very well!
Sifu & said, you two seem to have very intimate knowledge about P1. Care to comment whether a Waja Replacement Model is in the works. Its about time for a new model to replace the Waja. Just hope that the new model will have all the current goodies and better QC.
Yes development cars are suppose to be camouflaged but then when I look at the pictures, the new MPV seems hardly camouflaged save for the black paint.
Anyway since they are going to release the car within the next six months, I doubt this is much ofa development car for the exterior but more of the mechanics, hence the road testing. MEaning to say the exterior is pretty much final.
If the car is truly camouflaged and disguised as claimed here, I would breath a sigh of relief and the boxiness after the B pillar is horrible.
Why no one say alphard is a boxy car? Because the lines are more cohesive and mantains a good balance between practicality (i.e. space) and sharp looks (sharp front). In another words, the design gels together. Of course I won’t deny the brand and the reputation helps, but like all automotive brands, brand image is very important.
As for proton, we all have given it one too many of a chance. It’s hard to give it serious consideration when all we get in return is disappointment.
Yes, the Waja replacement model is in the works, but can’t reveal any details about it rite now…u can read ‘The Edge’ newspaper, in there P1 MD have talked about the Waja and Perdana replacement model and also the future of P1!
They went on a suicide mission, strolling along the PLUS highway, waiting for someone to shoot them.. Overall it looks promising, I hope the end product will deliver.
Just back from hillclimb test hehe… Eh i dont work in the same office as u la. But automotive industry in malaysia is small mah… sama2 design/endurance test kereta.
Guys….
Can we please concentrate on discussing & giving out opinions on this MPV. Enuff with all the bad experience you all had. Everybody has had some. But 2 thing to take into consideration :
1) The percentage of Lemon cars is actually not high. The only reason there are soo many is because Proton produces a lot of cars in Malaysia. IF you look at percentage wise, i think Mercedes is one of the worst. Majority of the S calss that came had problems with airdcond not functioning properly.
2) The bad experience you all had was under the old management where customer satisfaction was never theire priority. Only profit. The new management is going a very good job. Defect wise, at least under new management, engine takda knocking noise. The new civic (8th gen) had a lot of problem, but becoz it’s a honda, semua diam. The lesson here is no matter how many years of experience u have (like honda) there will always be teething problems. Soo, give them a chance to rectify it.
Back to this MPV : For the side, it does not look sporty at all, but the objective is for more room. (nanti sporty mcm gen2, complain tak cukup headroom), but interetingly, from the back, it somehow looks as if it is low. Rendah macam the new Honda Oddysee (RA1). If this is true, then the handling should be closer to a cars instead od a van (eg, Avanza & Innova). Length wise, it looks really long. The third row window alone makes it look as if it’s gonna be longger than a Naza Ria. i still cant comment on the front end as the picture are quite blur.
Yes development cars are suppose to be camouflaged but then when I look at the pictures, the new MPV seems hardly camouflaged save for the black paint.
Anyway since they are going to release the car within the next six months, I doubt this is much ofa development car for the exterior but more of the mechanics, hence the road testing. MEaning to say the exterior is pretty much final.
If the car is truly camouflaged and disguised as claimed here, I would breath a sigh of relief and the boxiness after the B pillar is horrible.
Why no one say alphard is a boxy car? Because the lines are more cohesive and mantains a good balance between practicality (i.e. space) and sharp looks (sharp front). In another words, the design gels together. Of course I won’t deny the brand and the reputation helps, but like all automotive brands, brand image is very important.
As for proton, we all have given it one too many of a chance. It’s hard to give it serious consideration when all we get in return is disappointment.
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go to google.com and try to enter proton mpv clay model. no need to study the boxiness from A Pillar till G Pillar.
Si-fu, I’m curious. Does Proton top mgmt knows about you participation on this site? As a Proton employee, surely you have signed “memorandum of secrecy”. If you are coming here entirely on you own, you are taking great risks. Somehow, I suspect that Proton plants (sorry for lack of a better word) you here to inform / generate interests / gauge public reception ?
Proton chief designer, Azlano (azlano.wordpress.com) does not reveal much. In fact he basically reveals nothing! But you are different. Your information borders on being “ISA”ed by Proton.
Of course if you are planted here, you won’t admit it! What a silly question to ask!!
to be fair to sifu, he is not revealing that much, but confirming what is in the press and to deny certain claims made by other readers. Its not like he said the engine will be a 1.8 turbo CPS producing 160 HP / 240 NM but to say that the engine will be powerful enough. Anyone can also say that right.
Like I said before …… Proton MPV – it will be a redbadged Chery Eastar. The one that everybody says is a lousy China car no quality etc. Now Proton MPV is based on that platform ……. let’s see the response again ….. haha
Tolonglah org nie memang tipikal ILMU sebesar kuman TAPI Cakap KUAT2 dengam MULUT berbau PETAI
Kalau ye pun datang dari China tak semestinya kualiti sama TIPIKAL LOSER punyer pemikiran
Lagi satu org2 yang komen Proton nak cari PUBLISITI MURAH tu memang ORANG YANG tak tahu tentang industri PERMOTORAN TAPI NAK KUTUK SUKA2 HAHAHA KESIAN MUNGKIN KORANG NIE BUDAK YANG NAK AMIK SRP KOT
Biasalah “ROAD TEST” utk kete2 baru kesian main internet tapi KETINGGALAN ZAMAN HAHAHAHAHA 1 juta kali
I agree… Sifu is revealing things which are not soo secret. Infomation which will not hurt anyone. I dont think he is dumb enuff to put his job on the line just to get a little publicity..
That aside, i really appreciate all the infomation which sifu has confirmed to us. Gives us a little something new to digest every day….burrrpp…!
to be fair to sifu, he is not revealing that much, but confirming what is in the press and to deny certain claims made by other readers. Its not like he said the engine will be a 1.8 turbo CPS producing 160 HP / 240 NM but to say that the engine will be powerful enough. Anyone can also say that right.
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that’s it! its 1.8 turbo cps producing 160hp/240 nm…..i dont think u simply whack that figure…if not, then lets pray for it lah
psst,… don’t say that to ALPINA larr,..
he’s driving a BMW la mat. Who we are to kutuk2 BMW drivers..?
we can only afford a Proton so just let MR BMW AlPeeNa say whatever he wanted to say ok. Hmm tapi kan nampak macam mamat ni takde life lorrr… . kutuk proton tapi masuk gak thread pasal Proton .. hehe funny guy
Actually he’s a teenager . -.-
Sophisticated words for nothing.
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ALPINA BMW only knows hw to talk rubbish…. he thinks he’s a big pro here…
Actually proton have given a good try in this production of MPV…. Dun just kutuk Malaysia….. Be proud to be malaysian….and support them, or else hw we can lift up our automobile industry ……….
psst,… don’t say that to ALPINA larr,..
he’s driving a BMW la mat. Who we are to kutuk2 BMW drivers..?
we can only afford a Proton so just let MR BMW AlPeeNa say whatever he wanted to say ok. Hmm tapi kan nampak macam mamat ni takde life lorrr… . kutuk proton tapi masuk gak thread pasal Proton .. hehe funny guy :P
Actually he’s a teenager . -.-
Sophisticated words for nothing.
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and u’re nothing but a loser
mana ada 1.8 campro lah. bigger pistons than it is right now and it will hit the water jacket (if you know what i mean…)
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:) chill, like i said, ppl just wan2 listen to what they wan2 listen. old chinese phrase: rumour only will stop on the hand of a wise person.
solely on tat phrase, v know there arent much wise ppl in malaysia
Let alpina bmw be as he is. He’s a gud replacement of bigfish, heheh.
In any case, he can be a good agent of senseless thinking, so for anyone that wants to look rationally smart online, just hv the complete opposite of his opinion. ;)
ALPINA BMW… look like when u spreading a rumours and throwing a bashing comments by visiting this forum day after day, i think u also desperate to own a bigger car with an afforrdable price such as this MPV but still denying about the quality improvement…but we not denying about the quality improvement since proton were running with a new management.. can i ask u something?? does any proton of cars makes ur financial situation goes into trouble?? does really G sucking ur money until u running away from “along” when u buying any of proton cars before?? if u really can afford a luxury car like BMW, go on… we never forced u to buy any of proton cars if u really think it’s was a junk.. why we still praise any proton cars?? yes, we can’t buy an expensive luxury car, BMW and hope proton will success with their plan by making good car in the future for us… and again for us, proton was our pride.. all of us r proud when we have national carmaker…
hi to all forummers & assalamualaikum for muslim
for me,sagaknight…
penantian mpv proton yg pertama ini…
bagaikan menantikan kemunculan…
kereta nasional pertama..
proton saga
perasaan gembira,sedih,bangga,benci others~
bayangkan sebelum itu rakyat malaysia
sebati dengan datsun,honda,toyota,mitsu yg mampu
dibeli
opel,mini,bemmer,merc yg mahal2
tiba2 ada saga,buatan malaysia
macam2 kata keluar…
tak boleh naik bukit,enjin tak longlasting
badan tak kuat,tin milolah whatever
dari situ boleh nampak bahawa sesetengah
rakyat malaysia tak yakin kemampuan & bakat
yang dicurahkan rakyat sendiri…
walhal enjin dan badan daripada mitsubishi…
yang terkenal dengan reliability…
bila ia dipasang dan diletak nama proton,kereta nasional…
seolah-olah ia sesuatu yang tak berkualiti,cacat dan
ada saja yg tak kena…
kelakar pun ada…
kalau kereta saga yang sama tapi diletak logo mitsu pada
setiap perincian(emblem,stering,wheel cap,engine,speedometer)
apa agaknya komen2 sesetengah ‘golongan’ ini nanti?…
hah~
sekadar berkongsi cerita….
childhood time tak silap masa tu i 6 old
my late dad bawa sebuah saga warna putih ke rumah…
saya ingat kereta baru..
tapi pinjam sebab my dad car,datsun 120y kena tahan kat workshop…
lama juga pinjam….
i selalu suka tengok kereta saga tu…
semacam satu perasaan..
dlm hati i harap dad akan tukar kereta kpd saga…
tapi tak kesampaian~…….
fasal power window,rear window manual stone age,
gap bumper,side mirror guna manual,glove box tak rapat…
pintu tak lembut,tak kedap bila tutupla…
gegar dashboard gegar sana sini…
material too plasticy…
stering tak cunla….
gearknob like swordla…
no dual,sixth,ten airbag,curtainla,sidela…
abs ada tapi tak ada ebdla,ba,traction ctrl….
badan tin milo,sandar sikit kemek…
crash rating 3starla….
kepala cecah bumbung pulak…
underpoweredla…
still guna 4 A/T transla…
copy that copy this copy therela…
i agree,as consumer we deserve good and satisfy product
with the every ringgit we pay for buy it….
with hardworking,we collect and save for buy a car…
bila kita dapat,kereta tu tak memuaskan hati….
ada kecacatan sana sini…
bila bawa ke pusat servis,aftersales servisnya menambah
pedih di hati lagi…
dan keluar segalanya yang negatif di newspaper,internet….
i hormat dan respek orang yang meluahkan perasaan
yang dapat kereta problematic,bad aftersales serv…
secara matang,rasional dan munasabah….
tapi golongan yg sampai ada kata2 kurang menyenangkan
keluar dari mulut atau jemari yg menaip….
seolah2 masalah tu macam tak ada solve way….
tribunal ada,law,lawyer semua saluran ada…
gunakan…
pendapat i, ia terletak mcmmna
sesuatu management tu mengurus syarikat…
kalau nak untung lebih,kualiti no 2…
tak puas hati customer…
kalau customer need jadi keutamaan….
insyallah,kepercayaan bertambah…
fasal kroni,politik dlm proton…
i tak dapat komen sebab
tak pasti kebenarannya…
melihat senario skrg…
dibawah datuk syed zainal….
nampak positif setakat ini…
model2 pasca mitsu diberhentikan
secara beransur2,betul ke si-fu?
i hope datuk syed zainal boleh
kekalkan momentum proton skrg ini
baik,buruk,lawa tak lawa,kuat tak kuat
,kualiti atau tak sesebuah proton itu bukan semuanya
terletak di seluruh bahu warga proton…
mereka yang paling atas itulah mula2 menentukan…
management,share holder….
approve how the final design,material,engine etc…
jika management,share,partner wise in make result…
insyallah,byk hati customer boleh ditawan dgn
produk yg dikeluarkan…
itulah harapan i for the new proton management….
ok,kalau proton ditutup atau langsung tidak wujud…
tapi….
i rasa sedih akhirnya kata2 spt org melayu nak buat
jarum pun tak mampu inikan nak buat mobil…
jadi kenyataan….
dah tak mampu buat jarum sendiri….
beli je lah barang luar…
bukan setakat kereta,barang2 lain lg
menguntungkn ekonomi sebelah pihak…
andaikata kata2 tadi tu diganti dengan
orang malaysia,how your feeling?
i harap jugak kepada yang membenci proton
atau merasakan menyusahkan kalau ada proton
tak perlu susah payah keluar komen yg rubbish…
beli kereta bukan proton dan gunakan
for u life,work,family…semua senang,sukahati
komen2 yg rubbish sesungguhnya menyinggung
perasaan,tak kira orang proton atau tak….
susah payah keringat bakat dikeluarkn….
dibalas dgn komen yang memedihkan hati…
manusia sesama manusia,fikirlah…
kalau golongan ni nak berkomen jugak…
diharapkan yg membina,kritis!
kita rakyat malaysia yang bertamadun…
i pun ada juga model proton yang i tak suka…
tapi tak perlu sampai i kutuk kaw2…
kalau tak suka,buat tak tahujelah…
pergi ke model yg lain…
banyak pilihankan?
ford buat kereta dgn tayar mcm tayar basikal
henny penny masa his early invention tak adalah
sampai terima komen hentam baik punya…
hanya komen yg tersirat,tak percaya dengan his invention…
jepun buat kereta copy carbon amerika masa
mula2 nak belajar…
rakyatnya langsung tak komen or kutuk kaw2 pun
malah bangga kerana mereka ada ability
setanding negara barat…
semuanya adalah kerana mereka belajar menghargai
keringat,penat lelah,dan bakat manusia….
dan semuanya boleh berubah maju secara beransur…
seiring dengan pemikiran,zaman…
tengok sendirilah hasilnya…
kalau proton jadi utk ditutup spt yg pernah dicadang
oleh mantan pm kita…
mungkin sedikit tidak kita akan terasa kehilangan…
barulah kita tersedar utk belajar menghargai….
seperti u kehilangan org yg dirindu…
melainkan hati & perasaan u dah jadi batu,tak tahulah….
thanks to forrumers yg sudi baca komen pnjg lebar ni…
love to see all comment here.negative positive whatever…
sorry guys my komen ada rojak
x terra bi….
and sorry to forrumers yg terasa dgn komen i
sorry paul,my comment too long!
love ur web!
nak komen mpv proton ni pun
pics not clear well…
wait for another clean&clear spyshot picslah..
:)
Hi guys, thx for being concerned about me! Actually i am entirely on my own here and i am putting my job on the line same as the other employees in here when they give their comment. Thats why when i comment on anything, i will be carefull because i am tied up to the company secrecy act. So as some of u guys notice here, my comments are mostly general and i dont reveal anything unless it has already been out officially like the Waja replacement model by the MD himself! Actually my main aim posting comments here is to educate u guys wat proton has been doing actually all these years, how they are developing and learning day by day! I do this because, many people still have bad perception on Proton, like we have now, Proton tiru lah, copy lah, follow lah, ni lah, tu lah…mcm mcm. U can call it as a perspective from an insider! Malaysians still thinks that making and developing a car is as easy as 1, 2, 3 or A, B, C! I personnally wanna try to change this perception. I can see that the technology week organized by proton has changed many people’s perspective but not many enough! As for my comments, u can see the style of my comments, i dont agree but i deny. I agree for issues that has already been known but not confirmed. I also dont reveal info’s that are not supposed to be revealed.
i think its a record in Paultan.org 90 plus comment in a day…sifu and …..?
we all know the MPV is gonna have the CAMPRO cps 1.6 engine but will it have any form of supercharger/compressor?? and will it have any other engine options besides the current one??? just answer yes or no…thats all..haha
I think it is much impossible that the engine will be 1.8 with turbocharging. Because the current bore x stroke for 1.6 is 76 and 88. The stroke is considered very high. In order to become 1.8, bore must be raised about 4mm more? I do not know how to calculate, but certainly, if a turbo plan is on, it is very unlikely the it will be bored to 1.8 as turbocharging need a thicker block to reserve the rigidity. 1.6 with turbo will be great enough isnt it? 145~160ps will be a good figure for MPV. Proton should employ the same plan as Fiat and VW. An engine, many variants.
To Majuperak…ntahla yob..ha..ha..
Anyway, I don’t mind if this MPV come out to be as boxy as Alphard but the most important thing reliability, good handling and nice interior. Perhaps more on Euro styling like Renault Espace.
Well its good to know about the development of Proton and as for me still waiting for new Waja….CPS engine is good but the exterior must be revamped. And of course don’t set the price in the region of new Honda City premium..90k like that.
Anyway cheers to mr si-fu and said for some educatioanal approach.
INVECS II is actually a Artificial Intelligence Logic system that the TCU (Transmission Control Unit). U can say as the decider between the engine input and output ( trans). The hardware which is the transmission itself, is a different story. I can bravely say, that each manufacturer that uses gearbox frm mitsu, mitsu itself or any other manufacturer for that matter, has different settings for each model. Because, in a gearbox, u have 2 variables that u can manipulate to obtain the on wheel results that u wan, which is the TCU calibration and the gear ratio’s. So as a conclusion, i doubt the gearbox is same with Mitsu Grandis.
naikmotoje, nice pictures u have there! Will be a good teaser for the readers here!
INVECS II is actually an Artificial Intelligence Logic system that the TCU (Transmission Control Unit) has. Thats the name that mitsu gave to it. Its not the gearbox code name or something like dat.
Thanks to people like Al-Pee Na BMW and MajooPerak for being bunch of clown here,.. at least we have some entertainment.
Bro naikmotoje, thanks for providing the links to the spy shots… at least now I can further convince my wife that this THING is worth waiting for, rather that going for the cramped Livina. This really is the NEXT BIG THING ..!
the car suspension is bottoming as the car is filled with water dummies to simulate maximum passenger + cargo weight. It is to make sure that you the customers can get a good car without lots of time in the service centre…
…said atau si-fu,
Please post me your email address to [email protected]. I got some topics on car to discuss/share with u all. Something like lampu belakang Lambo Reventon/Lambo LP560-4! I’ve talking about this at least 3 years ago! Thanks
sifu…. no ngv kit version for this mpv?? how the FC? 15KM per liter I guest. How about hybrid version… front really look like mitsu grandis, just my 2 cent
i notice that some of the readers complaints about the video quality.
I shot the video using my phone since i have any video camera at my disposal during that time…maybe u guys can provide me 1…
N since i’m not the expert in cars, well at least not Proton make, i was kinda impressed by this model…they were doing 140 km/j on the highway and hill climbing doesnt seem to give them any problem…manage to join their convoy until Simpang Pulai before i took off at Simpang Pulai exit…
N i was actually laughing when i read bout “getting paid by proton for this spyshot”…yeah rite…i’d be rich by now if i got paid for it…
to ALPINA BMW ,if you really own one!!!, one advice.don’t see other people like they’re a loser.Don’t like P1 or whatever you don’t like , just leave it.I wonder how you,can do great in life until afford to own one (?) , still cannot think about how other people feel.And I wonder , why you still have to mention BMW ALPINA , because…..the tuner only do BMW.Even though BMW emblem is still there , it’s called ALPINA. I wonder what is stated in your registration card.U really own one….I don’t care.But please don’t make other people look down to you..
Too those who worship Toyota, you might wants to read this article:
“Within the past year, the deaths of two Toyota employees were found, under Japanese law, to have been caused by overwork.
Then in June, a downtown stabbing spree by a disgruntled worker at a Toyota subsidiary stunned Japan. The incident, which left seven dead, prompted further public scrutiny of the country’s leading automaker. Some questioned whether its aggressive cost cuts were putting a stressful squeeze on its employees.
Much of the emerging criticism applies to Japanese companies generally, and Toyota is far from the worst offender. But Toyota stands out as this nation’s model company and has been widely praised for turning worker empowerment into a key driver of sales and profit growth.”
I am scared of Proton oredy because of my Waja, but I like Proton’s pages in Paul’s blog, seeing all sort of comment, some like enemies, ‘killing’ each other :) BTW, nice to see an ‘Odyssey’ below 100k. Hope the driver’s leg room is not like Waja, you can only rest your left leg COMFORTABLY in one position and the floor is not even near the left side of driver’s seat, and got ayam’s sound (kok kok ke) the source of which cannot be found out by mechanicss for 2 years!
After seeing some spy pics and comparison from other forum, i give 90% look alike with Chevvy MPV base from the side view. Think the platform sharing and model rebadge(engine change) rumours might become thruth.
some how the side profile, especially the 2 doors, remind me of wish, just that these r bigger.. from those spy shots, side n front, it will be a handsome mpv.
For one, the Chery MPV has a wheelbase of 2800mm while the Proton MPV will be between 2700-2800mm. The Chery MPV also uses multilink suspension at the rear while the Proton MPV uses a torsion beam. Saying two models have the same underpinings based on looks doesn’t make sense.
paul, are u sure it will use torsion beam suspension for the rear. My personal experience with torsion beam (for the Tiara / Citroen ZX) is that the rear tends to bottom out under a heavy load. I always thought that torsion beam is the poor man’s suspension, we don’t see BMW or Benz using torsion beam. Just like Vios / Altis and even the new Nissan models, its a rip off.
Paul Tan says: Yes, spoke with Proton engineers at the Proton Technology Week plus the bare chassis was there for display which revealed its rear torsion beam. Torsion beam offers less flexibility in tuning ride and handling… but even the European Honda Civic Type R uses torsion beam. Same goes for the Megane R26.R we saw earlier.
does this look like proton MPV at all??maybe the doors are but check honda stream doors,mitsu grandis,toyota wish and some european models..all have similar rear door shape..maybe that the best was to design a seven seater MPV door.
compare with this pic…you can see alot of difference between chery easter n Proton MPV..or wait till the final product…
torsion beams are not outdated..they have been there for like centuries,tats y many feel its old and outdated..but they have been refined and offer performance very similar to those multi links,z arms,super multilinks and all those fancy names…
why i say its similar performance..first it acts like a large stablizer bar thats the reason many off roader used to have torsion beam like suspension..
they distribute load more evenly but in term of handling…their response are slow plus tuning it will be harder but MPV are not performance orientated vechicle and the have to work under high loads compared to cars plus longer wheelbase…
so load distribution during cornering very important..and etc
forget engineering term and all…its hard to explain..
simple way to say…torsion beam is was much cheaper to produce and also design..so we can get cheaper MPV and proton can save some time and money on the design term….
cheaper to maintain…dont have to change mutliple bushes,wishbones,arms and etc(like many waja owner would have experienced)
plus wont have the noise that many waja anwers complain about…
save alot of space and ride height too..u can put the spring and absorber separately…and interior space as well!!
no need to adjust rear wheel alignments but many modern cars do have to since torsion beams have been improving to give more grip…
minimise tyre wear!!!very important feature!!
so you gain so many things and the only sacrifies is tuneability,performance and handling wont be like gen2 or waja…but know proton and lotus..and based on savvy(since it uses a torsion beam)handling will be greater than other MPVs on the road now!!
Prem3377 said,
October 24, 2008 @ 4:15 pm
but check honda stream doors,mitsu grandis,toyota wish and some european models..all have similar rear door shape..maybe that the best was to design a seven seater MPV door.
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i suspect its to do with access to the 3rd row of seats. so you’re right i suppose by saying its probably the best design for an mpv door.
Torsion beam in short wheelbase car like euro CIVIC R & Megane makes them tend to be tail happy, some said it will aid the FF understeer problem.
For Proton MPV, I believe few factors has been considered.
1) Cost
2) More Room as this setup is smaller, employ much lesser space
3) Straight road comfortness
Prem3377, u seem to have quite a bit of knowledge of cars. Good for u! R u in the automotive industry?
Regarding the choice over torsion beam with mc-phearson suspension systems, the main reason for tis mpv and also some other mpv’s to use torsion beam set up is to reduce, wat they call ‘cabin intrusion’. This means, when the mpv carries full load, and it bottoms out (it suppose to bottom out), there will be less or no intrusion of the suspension to the mountings, simply meaning the suspension wont be maximumly displaced. When u use a multilink mc-phearson strut, it tend to max out easily on heavy loads because of the spring characteristics (spring constant value, and the deflection is linear up to a certain extend only in reality). This happens because the spring and the absorber is in one assembly, i.e, one piece! If u look at the torsion beam arrangement, the spring and the absorber is placed separately and usually the absorber and spring is placed in an angle to provide the ‘torsion’ effect’. So under heavy loads, the torsion effect of the absorber and spring will resist it from reaching the limits of displacement.
Another advantage of using torsion beam, it distributes the load better, because it has to surfaces to distribute its load and force, thus providing better comfort . U dont want an MPV that has a bumpy ride, do you?
Other then that, torsion beam set up has a fixed chamber, toe, and caster angle. So under heavy loads, ur real wheel alignment wont lari. If use mc-phearson, like waja, the alignment will lari easily under extreme load situations.
However, as u guys mentioned above, ride and handling will be sacrificied abit, because mc-phearson struts tend to be stiffer since its in one assembly. But here, lotus will do their part as we can see the results from savvy. Ride and handling wont be that bad la…i can assure that!
to ALPINA BMW ,if you really own one!!!, one advice.don’t see other people like they’re a loser.Don’t like P1 or whatever you don’t like , just leave it.I wonder how you,can do great in life until afford to own one (?) , still cannot think about how other people feel.And I wonder , why you still have to mention BMW ALPINA , because…..the tuner only do BMW.Even though BMW emblem is still there , it’s called ALPINA. I wonder what is stated in your registration card.U really own one….I don’t care.But please don’t make other people look down to you..
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well, if you’ve been to the showroom, they hate calling themselves bmw alpina but bmw insists on them calling themselves bmw alpina, plus does it even really matter, and i guess u must have bought a second hand bmw 316i and stuck a alpina emblem on it.
yup i am an engineer..but currently not in automotive industry..more in mechanical designs in power generation industry) but always wanted to be in(that my dream)..but not dedicated enough..people in proton all work very long hour la!!some of my friends work 16 hours a day especially after SZ took over..so susah abit..haha…so if some day proton decide to build cars with steam or gas turbine engines..find me la k?haha
topic diversion, sorry bit,
my neo 1.3 auto basic campro is a bit punchier than saga 1.3 iafm auto,
neo has 12000km, saga is 7500km, well the millage is not that too far behind interm of breaking in.
is that the gear box combination like taller gear starting off,or other factor? while the curb weight data shows saga is lighter.
some gear box data might help, or probally 12000 does make a huge different from 7500, or else?
prem3377, you seemed interested in automotive engineering, probally its a joy if you have the opportunity i guess,
its like, you love what you doing, thats the energey multiply by passion, its devotion,
the police should ban these Proton mules from the public roads, with half of paultan.org readers sacrificing their lives just to grab a fuzzy photo someone is gonna get hurt sooner or later…
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Don u know that the co driver took the photos? why must police ban them? u got problem with eyesight?
Like I said before …… Proton MPV – it will be a redbadged Chery Eastar. The one that everybody says is a lousy China car no quality etc. Now Proton MPV is based on that platform ……. let’s see the response again ….. haha
By using search engine, type in…J Blog Perodua MPV
Same as Myvi, the next perodua next mpv is totally xerox from this model (Toyota Passo Sette). The different is exterior look and some interior design which adapted to Malaysian taste. The front bumper is same as Viva but with bigger emblem(just like latest edition of Myvi). The headlamp is just like Gen-2 profile (tiger eye) but not exactly same.
I hope that Mr Theopilius will come out latest version of photoshop picture adapted to this Passo.
psst,… don’t say that to ALPINA larr,..
he’s driving a BMW la mat. Who we are to kutuk2 BMW drivers..?
we can only afford a Proton so just let MR BMW AlPeeNa say whatever he wanted to say ok. Hmm tapi kan nampak macam mamat ni takde life lorrr… . kutuk proton tapi masuk gak thread pasal Proton .. hehe funny guy
Actually he’s a teenager . -.-
Sophisticated words for nothing.
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and u’re nothing but a loser
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Damn u are a loser also ! Not just here, also at Paultan Forum ! Everyone hates u ! Booo !
FC and HP not related(in the sense of real life FC for example:everday driving) but (for engine FC and hp are related because the higher the HP per litre output the lower the FC la..simple!!calculate frm the graph put can get answer)..so there is no such formula but torque Nm & weight(kg) are related but still that does not relate to FC so conclusion is there is no formula to calculate FC with HP or Nm because FC does not only depends on the engine alone but Cd drag coefficient (aerodynamic of the vehicle),tyre resistance,gradient of road,habit of driving,stress on engine,downforce(Cd also) and so many things la
thats why most manufacturers run the car in controled enviroment usually on threadmill like machine and run the car at 90 km/h (the most efficient running speed) and give the FC value after getting the value frm exhaust gasses…
so i am sure to get the real life FC in a formula its not possible yet…but if you wanna know FC of the engine..findout the HP calculation formula usually based on per litre fuel burn…and you can know or there will be graphs which u can findout…
n00b, basically lots of mpvs looks alike, any comment? r u saying all mpvs actually copying each others? paul n some other commenter explained b4, so stop speculating, when things look alike, doesnt mean they r same! go get urself a nokla n95 instead of nokia n95 then, c whats the difference, since they look alike right? just a few place change ma… in short, use your brain more…pls…there r enough jokers in here already
psst,… don’t say that to ALPINA larr,..
he’s driving a BMW la mat. Who we are to kutuk2 BMW drivers..?
we can only afford a Proton so just let MR BMW AlPeeNa say whatever he wanted to say ok. Hmm tapi kan nampak macam mamat ni takde life lorrr… . kutuk proton tapi masuk gak thread pasal Proton .. hehe funny guy
Actually he’s a teenager . -.-
Sophisticated words for nothing.
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and u’re nothing but a loser
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Damn u are a loser also ! Not just here, also at Paultan Forum ! Everyone hates u ! Booo !
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explain to me the paradox of a guy who isn’t love by anyone telling another person that everyone hates him? this must be the only place where people who knows nothing about cars like god.of.war come and comment about other people.
to ALPINA BMW ,if you really own one!!!, one advice.don’t see other people like they’re a loser.Don’t like P1 or whatever you don’t like , just leave it.I wonder how you,can do great in life until afford to own one (?) , still cannot think about how other people feel.And I wonder , why you still have to mention BMW ALPINA , because…..the tuner only do BMW.Even though BMW emblem is still there , it’s called ALPINA. I wonder what is stated in your registration card.U really own one….I don’t care.But please don’t make other people look down to you..
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well, if you’ve been to the showroom, they hate calling themselves bmw alpina but bmw insists on them calling themselves bmw alpina, plus does it even really matter, and i guess u must have bought a second hand bmw 316i and stuck a alpina emblem on it.
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*off topic*
bmw has no right to call an alpina, a bmw alpina. Alpina is a registered brand as well as a registered independent-stand alone car manufacturer in germany. and yes, it matters.. because thats the brand of the car, alpina. no bmw, no whatever else, just simple alpina.
like it or not, those are the facts. if you are truely passionate about bmw’s and alpina’s, it definitely matters.
macam same la.. just proton punye panjang sket..
any komen?
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“macam sama” is the keywords here. macam only, but not the same.
roofline is different, shoulder line is different. even the rake of the windscreen is different. and even more obvious, the rear and front overhangs are totally different. not to mention every single panel, front fender to bonnet..etc. etc. etc. is different.
sorry dude, but you really need to check your eyes out.
Why no one say alphard is a boxy car? Because the lines are more cohesive and mantains a good balance between practicality (i.e. space) and sharp looks (sharp front). In another words, the design gels together. Of course I won’t deny the brand and the reputation helps, but like all automotive brands, brand image is very important.
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just saw this comment on the alphard.. i’m sorry man.. but to me, the ultimate boxy car is the alphard. i even think its boxier than than the juara coz it very large size accentuates its boxiness..
i cannot see anything in there that gels except for the fact that it has geometric symetry, ie. boxy.
but boxiness in itself isnt a bad thing, but in the alphards case, its not only boxy, but downright ugly.
and for the life of me, i cannot see how the brand can help, since it currently builds some of the most boring cars on the planet today. YES, well built, practical, reliable, good residual values, but definitely not pretty.
Did u guys see a picture in the latest Car.My magazine? Is that a picture of the new MPV. The author didnt say anything but just said is something not suppose to be shown or something like that…. check a look guys.
hey guyz………
listen !!!! oil price slipped to US $60 per barrel…. in which it should cost only around RM1.50 per liter…….. what the f*** our G is atill doing…….. Pak Lah… step down soon !!!!
Salam and selamat sejahtera to all Paultan.org commenters.
Nice pictues and video eventhough the video quite blurr. Just wait and see the real thing from P1. Hopefully it can be a successfull one for P1 for their first MPV and also the lucky winner for the naming contest. Who gonna win it? Wait and see.
Aiyo~ If it is based on Chery’s Easter, then it’s good coz at least it is called a “Technology Transfer”. Many people just don’t understand that, China’s product has many quality for you to choose from, why u guys just want to discriminate China’s product? Does any China’s product sucks up ur money (FOR THOSE WHO DOES NOT LIKE CHINA’S PRODUCT)? So many China’s products have already benefited you all, but now you say China’s product is a lousy product!!!???!! Why you guys have to do this? For example, any one of you wearing an Underwear, Socks, Slipers, Purse or Wallet, or even the computer keyboard that you use to type the WORDS in Paultan.org, parts of ur Laptop or PC or Monitor that u use everyday. I’m very angry that you guys just does not want to accept the truth that you guys are discriminators to China Product.
We cannot be ego that our product is the best and China product is lousy, YOU,YOU,YOU, and YOU should not saying this, coz China Product is cover all around the world every where, we cannot just simply look at their black dots(Melamine Case) and say that “There are Black Dots in all China Products” we should not do this! REMEMBER, don’t say that YOU NEVER DONE A WRONG THING BEFORE, IN YOUR LIFE~~~ Give them a chance, they are just like past time’s Japan, in those days I remember that(old saying from my Dad) Toyota’s car is Lousy car(Coz the material they use is simply Bad Quality) coz they are not as good as those cars made by Ford. But now, look at Toyota, they are the prestigious car maker in the world, and that’s what the China’s car maker is trying to do now. So give the China Product a chance, don’t “Kutuk” at them, because most of the bad quality product from China, are all demamded from the Request person, because the request person may quote a certain of price which you can’t make it in any factory in the world can make, but China can make it, and this is the Bad from the Request Person not China Product, they are just barely “DO/MAKE IT ON YOUR REQUEST/ACQUISITION” only.
So if this Proton MPV is really based on Chery Easter, you and me should be happier, coz part of it is from China means It’ll be cheaper for you and me, YUHUH~~~~\(^v^)/ cheers, my fellow China products discriminator!!~~!Smile lah.
For one, the Chery MPV has a wheelbase of 2800mm while the Proton MPV will be between 2700-2800mm. The Chery MPV also uses multilink suspension at the rear while the Proton MPV uses a torsion beam. Saying two models have the same underpinings based on looks doesn’t make sense.
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aenz81 said,
henryee,
u know what make people think china cars r lousy?? that because every single of china cars still fail to get any star at europe NCAP test crash… for ur information, i’m still wearing an Underwear, Socks, Slipers, Purse or Wallet that made in malaysia and not made in china.. thank god that china r not export their “produk tenusu” into malaysia that well known now mixed with “melamine” for cheating in protein, calcium and iron tests.. and my son’s made in china toys just can lasts 2 days (put inside car, direct to sunlight then melted) from the purchasing date.. yes, Toyota r at the eyes of the world but for chery, brilliance, geely and the others… still a long way to go… they need to pass NCAP test crash if want take a place in europe…
even how bad QC of proton cars under previous management, proton already take a place in europe.. and what they need to do now under new management is… increase the popularity of proton cars.. preffer to QC of proton cars now, i think they can do it…
cheers!!… eh… macam si-fu pulak.. kang kena saman aku nanti pakai “trademark” dia heheh :P
to all i know, Paultan also been paid for all this ….he got persona for free in fact ..can you deny this paul…we had many friend there :)
Paul Tan says: I know you come from a competing website (e-kereta) but no need to fitnah me here lah. Show me your proof? You are also accusing Proton in the process.
Anyway I have enough problems reminding proton to send me press releases that’s why sometimes for example my Proton Saga story has no photo of the car at first, then the photo will be added later when I finally get it from Proton. They sometimes appear to be not even interested even in free publicity of their business activities, you think they want to pay for it ah? How to get car la brother!
The only time I have ever received money from Proton is roughly two years ago when Proton Edar put up an ad banner on my site. That was a bad experience for me in collecting the payment.
FarinaRacer said,
October 26, 2008 @ 9:24 am
to all i know, Paultan also been paid for all this ….he got persona for free in fact ..can you deny this paul…we had many friend there
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Then..
Paul oso got :
1 myvi se #2 (for a post of it)
1 viva (oso post about viva)
1 gen2 cps
1 upcoming proton MPV.
Ahh!.. what i can’t accept accept is… he also got
1 – Nissan GTR!
1 – Ferrari california
1 – VW STR3
and the list go on.. .
aenz, fyi china already selling cars in europe, maybe not so many but neither is proton. maybe you didnt know but euroncap isn’t required to sell in europe. after all proton doesnt exactly have a great record in euroncap themselves.
hey, don’t expect too much from Proton.
Not worth it to wait, to see and experience this machine.
Better save all your $$ for tomorrow.
Remember – Recession is COMING.
to ALPINA BMW ,if you really own one!!!, one advice.don’t see other people like they’re a loser.Don’t like P1 or whatever you don’t like , just leave it.I wonder how you,can do great in life until afford to own one (?) , still cannot think about how other people feel.And I wonder , why you still have to mention BMW ALPINA , because…..the tuner only do BMW.Even though BMW emblem is still there , it’s called ALPINA. I wonder what is stated in your registration card.U really own one….I don’t care.But please don’t make other people look down to you..
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well, if you’ve been to the showroom, they hate calling themselves bmw alpina but bmw insists on them calling themselves bmw alpina, plus does it even really matter, and i guess u must have bought a second hand bmw 316i and stuck a alpina emblem on it.
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*off topic*
bmw has no right to call an alpina, a bmw alpina. Alpina is a registered brand as well as a registered independent-stand alone car manufacturer in germany. and yes, it matters.. because thats the brand of the car, alpina. no bmw, no whatever else, just simple alpina.
like it or not, those are the facts. if you are truely passionate about bmw’s and alpina’s, it definitely matters.
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go check the alpina’s website, btw, does it even matter, be it alpina, bmw alpina, audi alpina, it doesnt even really matter, as long as you don’t own a bmw or an alpina, it does not really matter to you right?
macam same la.. just proton punye panjang sket..
any komen?
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“macam sama” is the keywords here. macam only, but not the same.
roofline is different, shoulder line is different. even the rake of the windscreen is different. and even more obvious, the rear and front overhangs are totally different. not to mention every single panel, front fender to bonnet..etc. etc. etc. is different.
sorry dude, but you really need to check your eyes out.
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that why i wrote “macam sama” not “memang sama”..
what i mean “macam sama” is “die punya tingkap tepi nampak macam sama la”…
no need to check my eyes..
Ya lor… I saw KTM komuter and Toyota Avanza also the same .
And the Alphard also same as KTM Komuter tooo!..
suprisely.. all of them boxy, and had a glass window!
*ps/: And I’m no need to check my eye.. nor my brain. :p
yes the ve just announced to further reduce the price due to this ,
have you seen the latest news today?
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yeah… i saw it today ….. G said they dun wan 2 reduce price more than 20 sen bcoz G said it wld badly affect petrol station owners…. but they agree that actually it shld only cost around Rm 1.50…. i dun get the point of G…. when dey increase d oil price by Rm0.80 sen, they didnt consider the profit gained by petrol station owners but when they want to reduce, they start 2 consider petrol station owners….. whats happening to our G ???? does it make sense ??????? If americans can review oil prices EVERYDAY, hw come malaysian G cannot ????? Or else our G shld stop saying ” Malaysia Boleh ” !!!!!
kalau price ok, apa orang nak kata, katalah….aku tetap nak beli.
aku tetap bangga dengan Proton.
Proton dengar Permintaan rakyat Malaysia
yang berkeluarga besar.
Proton Mesti tolong rakyat dan barulah rakyat akan tolong Proton.
jadi price mesti ok aaaa..
pasal kualiti … aku dah dengar banyak proton owner memuji (new model
neo, persona, gen-2, saga.)
tahniah .. aku gerenti Proton MPV ni akan laris gila punya ..
kepada pekerja proton . harap korang bersedia dah buat sehabis baik
jangan ada defect.. kekalkan kepercayaan kami. sebab beribu riban akan order MPV ni lepas launch nanti.
aenz, fyi china already selling cars in europe, maybe not so many but neither is proton.
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Proton sagwa, if people watching video of brilliance BS6 test crash and the other china made car that “sama waktu dgn nya” in youtube.. will china cars can sell well in europe as people know the car have a bad chasis? i’m often to read about car reviews at carsurvey.org. For proton, even the QC still debate in mystery level in there, but some of them statisfied, proud and prising the car.. but for china made car?? Brilliance, chery, geely and etc… when i read their reviews and comments.. it seems they had enough with the car… and KIA Carnival was the worst mpv get bashed when i read at that websites as it’s have a very lousy rover engine… And for our new Proton MPV, we hopes this mpv will success in term of quality and engine improvement with affordable price..
Ya lor… I saw KTM komuter and Toyota Avanza also the same .
And the Alphard also same as KTM Komuter tooo!..
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Mr. bmpower.. don’t u realize that Proton Juara was a mini Alphard?? hahaha..
if ur answer is “YES”… no need to check ur eyes.. and mine also… that because Juara was really look like Alphard and sure can be called MINI ALPHARD!!! :D :D :D :D
what ever it is start from year 2000 proton design their own car,
its so happened that juara is still mitsubishi town box based, its japanese basically.
nothing is too wrong with that ,its just that at the time juara is considered expensive, thats why its not popular and the look,,,
but now juara one of the cutey proton’s ever in its line up, sometimes i do feel to own one, in black, or currenet energy orange,
we have proton design, we have japanese based, thats part and parcel of how proton grows,
and not too soon but probably proton will have vvt +cps, like variocam plus, yes it has been mention, and the milestone of the proton has been projected.
Chery Eastar MPV 2.4 Mitsubishi engine still the best affordable 7 seater MPV at promo price RM 79888 with 2 airbags, ABS EBD , ample headroom and legroom
frankly speak i already seen this new baby from proton uncamo …both high line and low line….exterior and interior….for me i like the front of it so much but the rear is not so inviting…but still it so beautiful and nice design…i like the high line colour scheme that i saw…sory guys cannot say much…dun wan to jeopardize my future hahaha…my advise to one looking to buy an MPV hold your money and wait for this baby to come out
Next year we have two choices of MPV to buy. Perodua and Proton, all are national car manufactures. We will see which one of them are really helping ‘RAKYAT’ to own a car, specialy for a big family and golongan berpendapatan sederhana………………
tggula launch mpv tu brula komen… proudla to be malaysian sape2 yg born kt cnie.. toksah duk komen buruk aje… thanks to all proton team!! for me its impressive..
Congratulations to the PROTON Team. The new brand EXORA is really cool..
With such a design together with competitive price, I think it will boost up the Malaysian confidence with our local car manufacturer. For those who tend to give a bad comment for this car, I suggest you to check out this car with your own eyes before making judgement based on pictures.
Have a drive test and later come out with your wise opinion.
Tahniah proton krana skali lagi berjaya buat saduran mpv drp mana-mana model d dunia. Apa pun itulah yang kita mampu. Apa yang diwujudkan orang tak kisah, macam mana rupa dan gaya yang ditampilkan kerana rakyat malaysia jujur dan ikhlas akan modified jadi lebih dahsyat lagi. Namun di dalam kejujuran rakyat malaysia, ada penipuan yang dilakukan oleh orang DALAM, dalam mencari identiti, nama dan kemegahan MPV tersebut. Senang katalah menyentuh soal peraduan menamakan proton salah satu syarat peraduan yang dikenakan tidak boleh menamakan MPV tersebut dengan nama flora dan fauna. Mungkin nama Exora tersebut membawa maksud lain kot!..(mungkin nama sejenis cawan atau mangkuk). Anak_malaysia kata asyik-asyik komplen dan ada saja yang tak kena… memangkalah tak kena…kerana terang-terang rakyat malaysia di tipu dengan syarat-syarat (tak bagi orang luar menang). Ingat, dulu Juara pun dia orang kata MPV, apa dah jadi…kena tipu jugak…akhirnya jd kotak je… MPV kali ni real kot…
Kepada yang nak buat pertandingan dan peraduan jangan letak syarat-syarat yang boleh makan diri. Thank….and justice for all
i’ll surely put my car between them and can shoot both front and rear view… hahaha
just point your cam to rear mirror to shoot front view
It looks as big as Naza Ria. If it is priced right I suppose it will be a hit for those with big families. Hopefully they will do thorough QC before releasing the car.
I personally think if P1 really want to do a real road test and keep secret about their MPV, they can choose a highway less travel.. Why they use PLUS..? I think this just a FREE upcoming promotion for the buyer before the launch… Just like they purposely leaked the NEO picture on the net before…
no interest at all!!!
yah.. it’s free and simple… any petrol station owner here… or plus staff controlling the cctv…
Bebelon said,
October 23, 2008 @ 8:19 am
no interest at all!!!
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so why do u leave a comment here…
This video is much more clear to see abouth the actual shape and size of the P1 new MPV. It looks a bit bulky and boxy for the body…doesn’t look that stylish like Estima nor Grandis.
Front ….hmm… seem like current satria….
the police should ban these Proton mules from the public roads, with half of paultan.org readers sacrificing their lives just to grab a fuzzy photo someone is gonna get hurt sooner or later…
It was good job for proton to test it in real road, to get real feel of the car. But to thing 2 MPV at one time, just like Satria Neo last time then make me have this idea. May be there are 2 type of engine that Proton testing at same time. It can be IAFM and CPS for the Neo last time, or may be this MPV having prototype campro turbo or 1.8 CPS…
lol @ abtm’s suggestion. That’s true.
Anyway, I also feel that all these ‘leaked’ videos and images are a publicity stunt by Proton themselves. (Ref. comment @ food_fan)
For all you know the people behind the recording devices used are paid to do it.
Bebelon said,
October 23, 2008 @ 8:19 am
no interest at all!!!
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Haha…yet took time to check tis posted items n left a comment!…mcm2…
Back to the MPV…I somewhat feel its a marketing ploy to tease and test the market…looking for responses….hoping for positive ones and also…negative comments, eg. as attached…hehe…
but it does looks promising, eager for more complete picture…
hmm…almost mazda5 lookalike…
i think the reasons for using hiway are:
*low people/lane ratio i.e. less people compared to crowded town.
*FC test for long journey.
*shah alam to tg malim & back.
i can’t comment on the exterior yet as it is taped & video isn’t that clear.
btw,
driving & using hp at the same time are forbidden by law.
not driving & using hp at the same time are not forbidden by law. (passanger la)
the mpv is driven quite fast, look at the car speed meter, maybe at 120kmph. btw, dont judge the shape is boxy and not stylish, it is not the final look. now what is important is to see the mpv size, not the correct time to see is there stylish or not. wait till it launch to see it stylishness. and by that time, u can add some skirting, and sure it damn cool!!
OMG, ITS A BIG THING.
Grandis Front Livina Back..
fairsyah said,
October 23, 2008 @ 8:08 am
just point your cam to rear mirror to shoot front view
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easy to say.
Back looks like Kenari. Hope the workers assembling the proton cars (and the QC personnels) pay more attention the the fit and finish so that no more kok kok (ke)! Proton is improving but they need to gain back the confidence of public, including me who have bad experience with 2005/6 Waja! This MPV should be priced below 80K in whole malaysia, otherwise many will go for GL.
I think it is by some regulations that they have to clock some milage on normal roads during testing period., if i am not mistaken!
They know how to make mule cars ugly.
It’s bulky. Ya, agreed the front looks like Neo as well, but hopefully they pull the front lamp to the side wider.. slightly wider, and the grille appear longer too. The rear are simply too bulky, like Naza Ria. Well, with this chassis, 7 orang muat dalam, the video was running like 110-120? How’re they going to make it when it’s an emergency brake?
(Honestly, darm impressive with the driver up there, chasing them like~but i think the Mpvs were trying to run away from them too..lol)
u guys should buy a better handphone..high pixel one laa..come on..all videos quality not enufff!!! how come wanna be a good spyshooter?!?!?
Y don’t bang them? Bang them and make them stop then tear off those stickers to see what’s inside. Hahahaha
Still doubt what is under the hood and FF or FR?
driving perdana i tink the owner
eh? which platform are they using for this car?
i’d be curious to look inside though. the exterior looks conservative.
Haha reminds me of the time I filmed the covered-up Satria Neo. Yeah it’s safer when u’re not the one driving :)
Looks promising… btw mules ARE supposed to look ugly. It’s to confuse people so noone can make out the design until it’s launched. Remember the stegosaurus GEN.2 in france?
jolly_idiot said,
October 23, 2008 @ 9:48 am
Y don’t bang them? Bang them and make them stop then tear off those stickers to see what’s inside. Hahahaha
Still doubt what is under the hood and FF or FR?
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bang one, bang two… we can see the different… the engine… etc… make sure bang untill turtle, then we can see underneath… FR / RR… can also test the rigidity of the shell… or if there is airbag.. can count also how many…
or… maybe there will be a paid banger after this.. like neo, savvy and saga bang-bang image… hehehe
Aiseh man….macam mcam lah korang ni! Nak bang bang pulak!
Cheers!
huh..naik kete nk bang mpv? gile ke? ;)
hybridmind said,
October 23, 2008 @ 8:33 am
It was good job for proton to test it in real road, to get real feel of the car. But to thing 2 MPV at one time, just like Satria Neo last time then make me have this idea. May be there are 2 type of engine that Proton testing at same time. It can be IAFM and CPS for the Neo last time, or may be this MPV having prototype campro turbo or 1.8 CPS…
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2 MPV at one time maybe one is manual and another one is auto…wakaka…
not bad.. reserve my comment until it is launched.. hopefully P1 will price it right in the market + come with good build quality..
AWFUL CAR
ALPINA BMW said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:32 am
AWFUL CAR
Don’t u have anything else to say?
proud2BMalaysian said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:35 am
ALPINA BMW said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:32 am
AWFUL CAR
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Don’t u have anything else to say?
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psst,… don’t say that to ALPINA larr,..
he’s driving a BMW la mat. Who we are to kutuk2 BMW drivers..?
we can only afford a Proton so just let MR BMW AlPeeNa say whatever he wanted to say ok. Hmm tapi kan nampak macam mamat ni takde life lorrr… . kutuk proton tapi masuk gak thread pasal Proton .. hehe funny guy :P
good lurkin car, can’t wait see the interior..
madimat said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:47 am
proud2BMalaysian said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:35 am
ALPINA BMW said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:32 am
AWFUL CAR
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Don’t u have anything else to say?
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psst,… don’t say that to ALPINA larr,..
he’s driving a BMW la mat. Who we are to kutuk2 BMW drivers..?
we can only afford a Proton so just let MR BMW AlPeeNa say whatever he wanted to say ok. Hmm tapi kan nampak macam mamat ni takde life lorrr… . kutuk proton tapi masuk gak thread pasal Proton .. hehe funny guy :P
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Than i can’t even leave any comment here,coz i jz can afford BMx…hahaz..
I think Alpina BMW has dedicated his life and time to kutuk watever proton is doing, with his all time famous comment, ‘awful car’!
anyway kalau dah tak suka sgt proton.. takyah la masuk forum ni..
plz guys , go buy proper viewcams la…my eyes are getting tired of seeing those jerky blur videos using phones !
Like I said before …… Proton MPV – it will be a redbadged Chery Eastar. The one that everybody says is a lousy China car no quality etc. Now Proton MPV is based on that platform ……. let’s see the response again ….. haha
hard to believe since nobody actually confirming wat u saying…official or non official….at the end of the day…if the car has good quality.nice driving.plenty of space and reliable…i dont see why ppl wd bother if its based on a china car…bt again…hard to believe ur claim though since no proof !
this is an up coming market for 7 seaters MPVs & if the price is right, the displacement between 1.8cc to 2.0cc then is gonna be a hot cake…as long as not more than Naza Ria(the fuel guzzler)..
madimat said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:47 am
proud2BMalaysian said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:35 am
ALPINA BMW said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:32 am
AWFUL CAR
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Don’t u have anything else to say?
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psst,… don’t say that to ALPINA larr,..
he’s driving a BMW la mat. Who we are to kutuk2 BMW drivers..?
we can only afford a Proton so just let MR BMW AlPeeNa say whatever he wanted to say ok. Hmm tapi kan nampak macam mamat ni takde life lorrr… . kutuk proton tapi masuk gak thread pasal Proton .. hehe funny guy :P
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woi.. i also drive bmw la.. dont la lump me in together with mr. alpina. Some bmw owners have more intelligence to post constructive comments and can type our more than 2 words ok? ;)
anyways.. i find it strange that some people actually think that proton would pay someone to take spyshots and leak them out.. why pay someone to do it when you have the actual prototypes, just get some staff to shoot the darn cars and send it to paul la.. and its for FREE.
but the facts are, proton are not doing anything out of the ordinary. all car manufacturers around the world do this. its call real-world testing. just because the pic of them on the highway is shown, doesnt mean they dont test in country roads. from what i’ve seen and read in the past about proton’s testing, these cars will definitely be destined for the australian desert for hot weather testing, maybe scandinavia for cold weather testing, and they will definitely need to crash a few cars also to meet regulations for countries that it will be exported too.
if you live in the UK, or germany..etc.. there are also opportunities to see camo’ed cars being tested on public roads.
If the Proton MPV is indeed based on a Chery Eastar platform, I hope that it can at least get 3 stars (if not 4) for Crash Test. Most made in China cars perform very badly in crash test, scary when you compare it against the Europeans or even Japanese cars. Heck, even the Rondo performed very well during the crash test.
MAJUPERAK said,
October 23, 2008 @ 11:27 am
Like I said before …… Proton MPV – it will be a redbadged Chery Eastar. The one that everybody says is a lousy China car no quality etc. Now Proton MPV is based on that platform ……. let’s see the response again ….. haha
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So it is from tat China Mpv platform right..MtFk on my previous post some one even said please giv “prove” on wat i said….what ever it is..juz hope Proton reli work out on its QC…
Common MajuPerak! Stop spreading out rumours or just to test how people respond to ur comment! On what basis do u say that this MPV is based on Cherry Eastar? Do u have any prove? Any black n white? Pictures? Drawings? Anything at all? P1 can sue u if they want if u start spreading rumours like this. They have their own legal department with their own full time working lawyers u know?
To everybody out there reading this, THIS MPV IS NOT BASED ON CHERRY EASTAR or ANY OTHER MODELS YA! Heck, Cherry Eastar is not even one of the benchmark!
STOP SPREADING RUMOURS!
China made platform do performed badly in crash test not only due to the design, yet the grade of raw steel they use are terrible. Just imagine there are almost all of the steel angle bar(we call it “L” bar) selling in China is not in 90 degree….and easily bend over compare with the same thickness of Malaysia’s angle bar…
MAJUPERAK said,
October 23, 2008 @ 11:27 am
Like I said before …… Proton MPV – it will be a redbadged Chery Eastar. The one that everybody says is a lousy China car no quality etc. Now Proton MPV is based on that platform ……. let’s see the response again ….. haha—
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“The ability to speak, does not make one intelligent”. Qui-Gon Jinn, Star Wars Episode 1: The Phantom Menace.
in short, anyone can say anything they want on the internet. unless that person can qualify what they say with some facts or research, it might as well be an outright lie, or 100% innaccurate as far as we know.
but if facts and intelligent discussion is what you want, you should read this article written by paul, which is probably the most accurate and objective comment on this subject i’ve ever seen so far.
http://paultan.org/archives/2008/05/29/does-the-proton-mpv-have-anything-to-do-with-an-upcoming-chery-mpv/
plz murder anyone saying its a based on cherry shit……the claim itself was shocking anyway….bt thnx for confirming it , IT IS NOT BASED ON ANY CHINA CRAP CARS….
It has a close look of Mitsubishi Grandis ?? Are they joining back the venture ? :)
wow, its so bulky and fat! looks like it was meant for our fat ministers hahaha. i can foreseen its as the no.1 local mpv of the year!
if proton screws this one up, even if rm150k can buy 2 of it, hence twice the troubles. thats my honest opinion. if dislike it, pls ignore it. thank you.
agree with si-fu. to majuperak, dont post comment only just to see how other respond to you. please talk based on fact or proof and after that lets look how we respond. ckp saja tada guna..
ok if you want avanza a little sub 70 thou, manual one,
at 90kmh it runs 3500rpm. and discomfort no where to put since its tight with gearbox,
so know the car very well and decide which to choose,
My bet: this MPV would be an instant hit… waiting time would surely be 4-6 months and P1 bashers would still be bashing as usual… ;-)
Any topic regarding Proton in Paul’s never fails to amuse me. Hehehe…
Thankfully, we still have commentors like BanyakMasukWorkshop. At least he’s one of many who still write with his head.
Haizz….people… Now I forgot what to write about this upcoming MPV. Huhuhu….
yo Mr. BanyakMasukWorkshop .. Sorry la if my post in any way offend you or any other BMW owners out there.. .maaf zahir batin ya. :)
Like you said not all BMW owners are arrogant or things like that, just one person and they gave bad impression already. I know a gentleman who drives a shiny black Z4 living next to my mom’s house and he’s really a very nice person. (He also owns BMW 7 too..! ) He didn’t mind to ride in my old smelly Proton to go to a place or two. Many times.
In our friend’s case here, he should be okay. Hopefully his Beemer will be in very, very good shape in the long run, like for another 50 more years. As for me I only drive my dream BMW 3 sports in,.. where else,… in my dream only lah !
.peace !
Front looks like the current Saga and from B pillar onwards it looks like the designer went to have a teh-tarik. The lines after the B pillar just goes straight up and the lines just stop abruptly at the tailgate. With the tailgate design to suit like a old mini van’s door.
The only plus point of this is that headroom and space will be generous at the back especially but design wise it looks as amateurish as when the Waja, Gen-2 first came out.
Was interested about the concept of a Proton MPV but now looking at the design in toto, it just doesn’t cut it. I doubt the performance is going to be anything but yawningly . Another Proton in the bin. Sorry to say that.
hvannees said,
October 23, 2008 @ 12:46 pm
agree with si-fu. to majuperak, dont post comment only just to see how other respond to you. please talk based on fact or proof and after that lets look how we respond. ckp saja tada guna..
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how to ask them to talk based on fact?
some of them (basher) not even had a brain! lol! .
BTW, it seems look bulky, but the front side look nice and just right.
It look fast enough but it wasn’t an issue.. because the more important is how it start to move from 0kmh with a low RPM.
i like the front part. On the rear, its like ‘kotak’ shape. hopefully, P1 will do something about it,when it comes into production.
at least, this mpv not as bulky as ssyangyong one…
I would suggest to those who trying to comment it looks, to hold on first, because the vehichle is camoufludged…Camoufludge simply means that it suppose to look different and deceiving from the original design so that no one can have an idea how the design looks like! Please understand the term camoufludge first before commenting on the exterior design!
Cheers!
spyshots..
Always ugly you hear.
The real deal.
Opposite. maybe
abtm said,
October 23, 2008 @ 8:31 am
the police should ban these Proton mules from the public roads, with half of paultan.org readers sacrificing their lives just to grab a fuzzy photo someone is gonna get hurt sooner or later…
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firstly all car companies have to test their cars on the public roads at some point of time, not only proton and secondly if they don’t test the cars on the public road they will never know how the car will will perform outside the test facility.
anyway the mpv doesn’t look that bad considering that it is a taped up test mule. i noticed that the rims are just normal steel wheels on these test mules unlike the mpvs in the other shots.
all bashers have blinded by camoufludge. save all your basher comment and please go to specialist hospital and check your eyes.
I’d had to comment this.
BanyakMasukWorkshop said,
October 23, 2008 @ 11:35 am
madimat said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:47 am
proud2BMalaysian said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:35 am
ALPINA BMW said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:32 am
AWFUL CAR
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Don’t u have anything else to say?
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psst,… don’t say that to ALPINA larr,..
he’s driving a BMW la mat. Who we are to kutuk2 BMW drivers..?
we can only afford a Proton so just let MR BMW AlPeeNa say whatever he wanted to say ok. Hmm tapi kan nampak macam mamat ni takde life lorrr… . kutuk proton tapi masuk gak thread pasal Proton .. hehe funny guy :P
Actually he’s a teenager . -.-
Sophisticated words for nothing.
Agreed with si-fu…
you guys are very hard to please laa… boxy design will improve space and headroom… when it comes to Proton, some of us just shut their eyes (and perception) that Proton cars will never be good enough for them. A little bit of “boxiness” (if there is such a word) here and there is current trend for car design from what I see… but it’s not as boxy as Toyota Alphard, right? (surpised that no one mention that “King of BOXY MPV”… Why? Because it is a Toyota right….)
wonder what kind of iklan this mpv will have… savvy kene makan ngan monster… any suggestion?
maybe one of our suggestion will surely be on tv… who knows
It’s a really good news to hear proton had design the first MPV, but the design is look simple, can proton design something like “ALPHARD” looks and grand livina price?
Si-fu…
The spelling is camouflage la… Not camoufludge.
Anyhow to all readers, it is normal for prototype cars to be disguised. To hide its real shape. Usually they will put special 3M tape with corrugated plastic or foam behind it to hide the real shape. For the P6-20A Proton MPV prototype seen on the road, the rear tailgate, most of the rear quarter, part of the doors and the front quarter is covered with camouflage.
Sorry for the spelling yah…my english getting rusty already!
Mr. …said, i think u n i are working in the same place! hahahahaha! Because u seem to know how P1 camouflage their cars and u know the MPV code name very well!
Cheers!
Sifu & said, you two seem to have very intimate knowledge about P1. Care to comment whether a Waja Replacement Model is in the works. Its about time for a new model to replace the Waja. Just hope that the new model will have all the current goodies and better QC.
Yes development cars are suppose to be camouflaged but then when I look at the pictures, the new MPV seems hardly camouflaged save for the black paint.
Anyway since they are going to release the car within the next six months, I doubt this is much ofa development car for the exterior but more of the mechanics, hence the road testing. MEaning to say the exterior is pretty much final.
If the car is truly camouflaged and disguised as claimed here, I would breath a sigh of relief and the boxiness after the B pillar is horrible.
Why no one say alphard is a boxy car? Because the lines are more cohesive and mantains a good balance between practicality (i.e. space) and sharp looks (sharp front). In another words, the design gels together. Of course I won’t deny the brand and the reputation helps, but like all automotive brands, brand image is very important.
As for proton, we all have given it one too many of a chance. It’s hard to give it serious consideration when all we get in return is disappointment.
Front looks ok, keeps with the new family nose, rear will have to withhold comment till photos with less camo appear
Yes, the Waja replacement model is in the works, but can’t reveal any details about it rite now…u can read ‘The Edge’ newspaper, in there P1 MD have talked about the Waja and Perdana replacement model and also the future of P1!
Cheers!
They went on a suicide mission, strolling along the PLUS highway, waiting for someone to shoot them.. Overall it looks promising, I hope the end product will deliver.
i don think dis MPV is dat bad like SOME of u here say…
leave your comments till its out
si-fu…
Just back from hillclimb test hehe… Eh i dont work in the same office as u la. But automotive industry in malaysia is small mah… sama2 design/endurance test kereta.
Guys….
Can we please concentrate on discussing & giving out opinions on this MPV. Enuff with all the bad experience you all had. Everybody has had some. But 2 thing to take into consideration :
1) The percentage of Lemon cars is actually not high. The only reason there are soo many is because Proton produces a lot of cars in Malaysia. IF you look at percentage wise, i think Mercedes is one of the worst. Majority of the S calss that came had problems with airdcond not functioning properly.
2) The bad experience you all had was under the old management where customer satisfaction was never theire priority. Only profit. The new management is going a very good job. Defect wise, at least under new management, engine takda knocking noise. The new civic (8th gen) had a lot of problem, but becoz it’s a honda, semua diam. The lesson here is no matter how many years of experience u have (like honda) there will always be teething problems. Soo, give them a chance to rectify it.
Back to this MPV : For the side, it does not look sporty at all, but the objective is for more room. (nanti sporty mcm gen2, complain tak cukup headroom), but interetingly, from the back, it somehow looks as if it is low. Rendah macam the new Honda Oddysee (RA1). If this is true, then the handling should be closer to a cars instead od a van (eg, Avanza & Innova). Length wise, it looks really long. The third row window alone makes it look as if it’s gonna be longger than a Naza Ria. i still cant comment on the front end as the picture are quite blur.
Hikaru said,
October 23, 2008 @ 4:24 pm
Yes development cars are suppose to be camouflaged but then when I look at the pictures, the new MPV seems hardly camouflaged save for the black paint.
Anyway since they are going to release the car within the next six months, I doubt this is much ofa development car for the exterior but more of the mechanics, hence the road testing. MEaning to say the exterior is pretty much final.
If the car is truly camouflaged and disguised as claimed here, I would breath a sigh of relief and the boxiness after the B pillar is horrible.
Why no one say alphard is a boxy car? Because the lines are more cohesive and mantains a good balance between practicality (i.e. space) and sharp looks (sharp front). In another words, the design gels together. Of course I won’t deny the brand and the reputation helps, but like all automotive brands, brand image is very important.
As for proton, we all have given it one too many of a chance. It’s hard to give it serious consideration when all we get in return is disappointment.
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go to google.com and try to enter proton mpv clay model. no need to study the boxiness from A Pillar till G Pillar.
Si-fu, I’m curious. Does Proton top mgmt knows about you participation on this site? As a Proton employee, surely you have signed “memorandum of secrecy”. If you are coming here entirely on you own, you are taking great risks. Somehow, I suspect that Proton plants (sorry for lack of a better word) you here to inform / generate interests / gauge public reception ?
Proton chief designer, Azlano (azlano.wordpress.com) does not reveal much. In fact he basically reveals nothing! But you are different. Your information borders on being “ISA”ed by Proton.
Of course if you are planted here, you won’t admit it! What a silly question to ask!!
to be fair to sifu, he is not revealing that much, but confirming what is in the press and to deny certain claims made by other readers. Its not like he said the engine will be a 1.8 turbo CPS producing 160 HP / 240 NM but to say that the engine will be powerful enough. Anyone can also say that right.
MAJUPERAK said,
October 23, 2008 @ 11:27 am
Like I said before …… Proton MPV – it will be a redbadged Chery Eastar. The one that everybody says is a lousy China car no quality etc. Now Proton MPV is based on that platform ……. let’s see the response again ….. haha
Tolonglah org nie memang tipikal ILMU sebesar kuman TAPI Cakap KUAT2 dengam MULUT berbau PETAI
Kalau ye pun datang dari China tak semestinya kualiti sama TIPIKAL LOSER punyer pemikiran
Lagi satu org2 yang komen Proton nak cari PUBLISITI MURAH tu memang ORANG YANG tak tahu tentang industri PERMOTORAN TAPI NAK KUTUK SUKA2 HAHAHA KESIAN MUNGKIN KORANG NIE BUDAK YANG NAK AMIK SRP KOT
Biasalah “ROAD TEST” utk kete2 baru kesian main internet tapi KETINGGALAN ZAMAN HAHAHAHAHA 1 juta kali
I agree… Sifu is revealing things which are not soo secret. Infomation which will not hurt anyone. I dont think he is dumb enuff to put his job on the line just to get a little publicity..
That aside, i really appreciate all the infomation which sifu has confirmed to us. Gives us a little something new to digest every day….burrrpp…!
CFA28 said,
October 23, 2008 @ 6:09 pm
to be fair to sifu, he is not revealing that much, but confirming what is in the press and to deny certain claims made by other readers. Its not like he said the engine will be a 1.8 turbo CPS producing 160 HP / 240 NM but to say that the engine will be powerful enough. Anyone can also say that right.
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that’s it! its 1.8 turbo cps producing 160hp/240 nm…..i dont think u simply whack that figure…if not, then lets pray for it lah
cant wait the new waja!
hotwheeler
“that’s it! its 1.8 turbo cps producing 160hp/240 nm…..i dont think u simply whack that figure…if not, then lets pray for it lah”
-.-” ppl just listen to what they wan2 listen i think…
kei9 said,
October 23, 2008 @ 2:14 pm
I’d had to comment this.
BanyakMasukWorkshop said,
October 23, 2008 @ 11:35 am
madimat said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:47 am
proud2BMalaysian said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:35 am
ALPINA BMW said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:32 am
AWFUL CAR
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Don’t u have anything else to say?
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psst,… don’t say that to ALPINA larr,..
he’s driving a BMW la mat. Who we are to kutuk2 BMW drivers..?
we can only afford a Proton so just let MR BMW AlPeeNa say whatever he wanted to say ok. Hmm tapi kan nampak macam mamat ni takde life lorrr… . kutuk proton tapi masuk gak thread pasal Proton .. hehe funny guy
Actually he’s a teenager . -.-
Sophisticated words for nothing.
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ALPINA BMW only knows hw to talk rubbish…. he thinks he’s a big pro here…
Actually proton have given a good try in this production of MPV…. Dun just kutuk Malaysia….. Be proud to be malaysian….and support them, or else hw we can lift up our automobile industry ……….
mana ada 1.8 campro lah. bigger pistons than it is right now and it will hit the water jacket (if you know what i mean…)
I’d had to comment this.
BanyakMasukWorkshop said,
October 23, 2008 @ 11:35 am
madimat said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:47 am
proud2BMalaysian said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:35 am
ALPINA BMW said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:32 am
AWFUL CAR
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Don’t u have anything else to say?
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psst,… don’t say that to ALPINA larr,..
he’s driving a BMW la mat. Who we are to kutuk2 BMW drivers..?
we can only afford a Proton so just let MR BMW AlPeeNa say whatever he wanted to say ok. Hmm tapi kan nampak macam mamat ni takde life lorrr… . kutuk proton tapi masuk gak thread pasal Proton .. hehe funny guy :P
Actually he’s a teenager . -.-
Sophisticated words for nothing.
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and u’re nothing but a loser
sifu,
is it 5 stud wheel?
… said,
October 23, 2008 @ 8:02 pm
mana ada 1.8 campro lah. bigger pistons than it is right now and it will hit the water jacket (if you know what i mean…)
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:) chill, like i said, ppl just wan2 listen to what they wan2 listen. old chinese phrase: rumour only will stop on the hand of a wise person.
solely on tat phrase, v know there arent much wise ppl in malaysia
Let alpina bmw be as he is. He’s a gud replacement of bigfish, heheh.
In any case, he can be a good agent of senseless thinking, so for anyone that wants to look rationally smart online, just hv the complete opposite of his opinion. ;)
hmmm..it seems the overall design is pretty minivan generic. Why not try to be daring like Nissan Minivan or even Mitsu Grandis?
if just take a look like this ermm.. cant imagine that is nice.. maybe proton should put effort to other and make it brilliant
ALPINA BMW… look like when u spreading a rumours and throwing a bashing comments by visiting this forum day after day, i think u also desperate to own a bigger car with an afforrdable price such as this MPV but still denying about the quality improvement…but we not denying about the quality improvement since proton were running with a new management.. can i ask u something?? does any proton of cars makes ur financial situation goes into trouble?? does really G sucking ur money until u running away from “along” when u buying any of proton cars before?? if u really can afford a luxury car like BMW, go on… we never forced u to buy any of proton cars if u really think it’s was a junk.. why we still praise any proton cars?? yes, we can’t buy an expensive luxury car, BMW and hope proton will success with their plan by making good car in the future for us… and again for us, proton was our pride.. all of us r proud when we have national carmaker…
Hi alpeena bmw, go take a look at the new paultan toyota iQ post, somebody place your trademark there! hahaha
hi to all forummers & assalamualaikum for muslim
for me,sagaknight…
penantian mpv proton yg pertama ini…
bagaikan menantikan kemunculan…
kereta nasional pertama..
proton saga
perasaan gembira,sedih,bangga,benci others~
bayangkan sebelum itu rakyat malaysia
sebati dengan datsun,honda,toyota,mitsu yg mampu
dibeli
opel,mini,bemmer,merc yg mahal2
tiba2 ada saga,buatan malaysia
macam2 kata keluar…
tak boleh naik bukit,enjin tak longlasting
badan tak kuat,tin milolah whatever
dari situ boleh nampak bahawa sesetengah
rakyat malaysia tak yakin kemampuan & bakat
yang dicurahkan rakyat sendiri…
walhal enjin dan badan daripada mitsubishi…
yang terkenal dengan reliability…
bila ia dipasang dan diletak nama proton,kereta nasional…
seolah-olah ia sesuatu yang tak berkualiti,cacat dan
ada saja yg tak kena…
kelakar pun ada…
kalau kereta saga yang sama tapi diletak logo mitsu pada
setiap perincian(emblem,stering,wheel cap,engine,speedometer)
apa agaknya komen2 sesetengah ‘golongan’ ini nanti?…
hah~
sekadar berkongsi cerita….
childhood time tak silap masa tu i 6 old
my late dad bawa sebuah saga warna putih ke rumah…
saya ingat kereta baru..
tapi pinjam sebab my dad car,datsun 120y kena tahan kat workshop…
lama juga pinjam….
i selalu suka tengok kereta saga tu…
semacam satu perasaan..
dlm hati i harap dad akan tukar kereta kpd saga…
tapi tak kesampaian~…….
fasal power window,rear window manual stone age,
gap bumper,side mirror guna manual,glove box tak rapat…
pintu tak lembut,tak kedap bila tutupla…
gegar dashboard gegar sana sini…
material too plasticy…
stering tak cunla….
gearknob like swordla…
no dual,sixth,ten airbag,curtainla,sidela…
abs ada tapi tak ada ebdla,ba,traction ctrl….
badan tin milo,sandar sikit kemek…
crash rating 3starla….
kepala cecah bumbung pulak…
underpoweredla…
still guna 4 A/T transla…
copy that copy this copy therela…
i agree,as consumer we deserve good and satisfy product
with the every ringgit we pay for buy it….
with hardworking,we collect and save for buy a car…
bila kita dapat,kereta tu tak memuaskan hati….
ada kecacatan sana sini…
bila bawa ke pusat servis,aftersales servisnya menambah
pedih di hati lagi…
dan keluar segalanya yang negatif di newspaper,internet….
i hormat dan respek orang yang meluahkan perasaan
yang dapat kereta problematic,bad aftersales serv…
secara matang,rasional dan munasabah….
tapi golongan yg sampai ada kata2 kurang menyenangkan
keluar dari mulut atau jemari yg menaip….
seolah2 masalah tu macam tak ada solve way….
tribunal ada,law,lawyer semua saluran ada…
gunakan…
pendapat i, ia terletak mcmmna
sesuatu management tu mengurus syarikat…
kalau nak untung lebih,kualiti no 2…
tak puas hati customer…
kalau customer need jadi keutamaan….
insyallah,kepercayaan bertambah…
fasal kroni,politik dlm proton…
i tak dapat komen sebab
tak pasti kebenarannya…
melihat senario skrg…
dibawah datuk syed zainal….
nampak positif setakat ini…
model2 pasca mitsu diberhentikan
secara beransur2,betul ke si-fu?
i hope datuk syed zainal boleh
kekalkan momentum proton skrg ini
baik,buruk,lawa tak lawa,kuat tak kuat
,kualiti atau tak sesebuah proton itu bukan semuanya
terletak di seluruh bahu warga proton…
mereka yang paling atas itulah mula2 menentukan…
management,share holder….
approve how the final design,material,engine etc…
jika management,share,partner wise in make result…
insyallah,byk hati customer boleh ditawan dgn
produk yg dikeluarkan…
itulah harapan i for the new proton management….
ok,kalau proton ditutup atau langsung tidak wujud…
tapi….
i rasa sedih akhirnya kata2 spt org melayu nak buat
jarum pun tak mampu inikan nak buat mobil…
jadi kenyataan….
dah tak mampu buat jarum sendiri….
beli je lah barang luar…
bukan setakat kereta,barang2 lain lg
menguntungkn ekonomi sebelah pihak…
andaikata kata2 tadi tu diganti dengan
orang malaysia,how your feeling?
i harap jugak kepada yang membenci proton
atau merasakan menyusahkan kalau ada proton
tak perlu susah payah keluar komen yg rubbish…
beli kereta bukan proton dan gunakan
for u life,work,family…semua senang,sukahati
komen2 yg rubbish sesungguhnya menyinggung
perasaan,tak kira orang proton atau tak….
susah payah keringat bakat dikeluarkn….
dibalas dgn komen yang memedihkan hati…
manusia sesama manusia,fikirlah…
kalau golongan ni nak berkomen jugak…
diharapkan yg membina,kritis!
kita rakyat malaysia yang bertamadun…
i pun ada juga model proton yang i tak suka…
tapi tak perlu sampai i kutuk kaw2…
kalau tak suka,buat tak tahujelah…
pergi ke model yg lain…
banyak pilihankan?
ford buat kereta dgn tayar mcm tayar basikal
henny penny masa his early invention tak adalah
sampai terima komen hentam baik punya…
hanya komen yg tersirat,tak percaya dengan his invention…
jepun buat kereta copy carbon amerika masa
mula2 nak belajar…
rakyatnya langsung tak komen or kutuk kaw2 pun
malah bangga kerana mereka ada ability
setanding negara barat…
semuanya adalah kerana mereka belajar menghargai
keringat,penat lelah,dan bakat manusia….
dan semuanya boleh berubah maju secara beransur…
seiring dengan pemikiran,zaman…
tengok sendirilah hasilnya…
kalau proton jadi utk ditutup spt yg pernah dicadang
oleh mantan pm kita…
mungkin sedikit tidak kita akan terasa kehilangan…
barulah kita tersedar utk belajar menghargai….
seperti u kehilangan org yg dirindu…
melainkan hati & perasaan u dah jadi batu,tak tahulah….
thanks to forrumers yg sudi baca komen pnjg lebar ni…
love to see all comment here.negative positive whatever…
sorry guys my komen ada rojak
x terra bi….
and sorry to forrumers yg terasa dgn komen i
sorry paul,my comment too long!
love ur web!
nak komen mpv proton ni pun
pics not clear well…
wait for another clean&clear spyshot picslah..
:)
Hi guys, thx for being concerned about me! Actually i am entirely on my own here and i am putting my job on the line same as the other employees in here when they give their comment. Thats why when i comment on anything, i will be carefull because i am tied up to the company secrecy act. So as some of u guys notice here, my comments are mostly general and i dont reveal anything unless it has already been out officially like the Waja replacement model by the MD himself! Actually my main aim posting comments here is to educate u guys wat proton has been doing actually all these years, how they are developing and learning day by day! I do this because, many people still have bad perception on Proton, like we have now, Proton tiru lah, copy lah, follow lah, ni lah, tu lah…mcm mcm. U can call it as a perspective from an insider! Malaysians still thinks that making and developing a car is as easy as 1, 2, 3 or A, B, C! I personnally wanna try to change this perception. I can see that the technology week organized by proton has changed many people’s perspective but not many enough! As for my comments, u can see the style of my comments, i dont agree but i deny. I agree for issues that has already been known but not confirmed. I also dont reveal info’s that are not supposed to be revealed.
Cheers!
P/s: …said, hang kat hnt ka?
i think its a record in Paultan.org 90 plus comment in a day…sifu and …..?
we all know the MPV is gonna have the CAMPRO cps 1.6 engine but will it have any form of supercharger/compressor?? and will it have any other engine options besides the current one??? just answer yes or no…thats all..haha
Very Laju MPV. i like the size. will consider to buy one. my family become bigger now.
sifu, the transmission is INVECS II rite? same transmission in the grandis?
I think it is much impossible that the engine will be 1.8 with turbocharging. Because the current bore x stroke for 1.6 is 76 and 88. The stroke is considered very high. In order to become 1.8, bore must be raised about 4mm more? I do not know how to calculate, but certainly, if a turbo plan is on, it is very unlikely the it will be bored to 1.8 as turbocharging need a thicker block to reserve the rigidity. 1.6 with turbo will be great enough isnt it? 145~160ps will be a good figure for MPV. Proton should employ the same plan as Fiat and VW. An engine, many variants.
rear Proton MPV using LED brake lamp ??
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/kakashi7/DSC04977.jpg
see ??
more pic founded
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h3/albirri/MPV1.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h3/albirri/MPV2.jpg
credit to albirri frm lowyat.net forum
naikmotoje, thanks to you and the provider,
looks like the rear suspension is bottoming,
seemed they test the car with weight simulated.
anyway the car is quite sizeable,
first proton with 5 stud wheel.
LED waah,
MAJUPERAK…….eerrr you must be Maju but ur comment make me Malu….
To Majuperak…ntahla yob..ha..ha..
Anyway, I don’t mind if this MPV come out to be as boxy as Alphard but the most important thing reliability, good handling and nice interior. Perhaps more on Euro styling like Renault Espace.
Well its good to know about the development of Proton and as for me still waiting for new Waja….CPS engine is good but the exterior must be revamped. And of course don’t set the price in the region of new Honda City premium..90k like that.
Anyway cheers to mr si-fu and said for some educatioanal approach.
I think this MPV can compete with odyssey in term of size.
INVECS II is actually a Artificial Intelligence Logic system that the TCU (Transmission Control Unit). U can say as the decider between the engine input and output ( trans). The hardware which is the transmission itself, is a different story. I can bravely say, that each manufacturer that uses gearbox frm mitsu, mitsu itself or any other manufacturer for that matter, has different settings for each model. Because, in a gearbox, u have 2 variables that u can manipulate to obtain the on wheel results that u wan, which is the TCU calibration and the gear ratio’s. So as a conclusion, i doubt the gearbox is same with Mitsu Grandis.
naikmotoje, nice pictures u have there! Will be a good teaser for the readers here!
Cheers!
Sorry silap sikit in the above comment:
INVECS II is actually an Artificial Intelligence Logic system that the TCU (Transmission Control Unit) has. Thats the name that mitsu gave to it. Its not the gearbox code name or something like dat.
Thanks to people like Al-Pee Na BMW and MajooPerak for being bunch of clown here,.. at least we have some entertainment.
Bro naikmotoje, thanks for providing the links to the spy shots… at least now I can further convince my wife that this THING is worth waiting for, rather that going for the cramped Livina. This really is the NEXT BIG THING ..!
.peace !
fastcx said,
October 23, 2008 @ 7:42 pm
hotwheeler
“that’s it! its 1.8 turbo cps producing 160hp/240 nm…..i dont think u simply whack that figure…if not, then lets pray for it lah”
-.-” ppl just listen to what they wan2 listen i think…
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chill bro…i just being excited only….i’ve read the si-fu comments earlier that being said it will use the enhanced campro 1.6…
gurau-gurau je…jgn serius sgt bro…
cheers! (mcm ayat si-fu plak)
wow… nowaday.. no more spy shot. It’s spy ‘video shot’ hahaha.. Thanks naikmotoje… that side profile view plus lowered one was really nice look. :D
I have a comment.
THE WHEELS HAVE 5 LUGS! YAHOO!
Alamak… rear drum brake???
I wish they can put disc brake :(…
Front looks like grandis..
the car suspension is bottoming as the car is filled with water dummies to simulate maximum passenger + cargo weight. It is to make sure that you the customers can get a good car without lots of time in the service centre…
Si-Fu. not hnt, ed
…said, small world! Hope u know wat i mean!
OT
hi si-fu and … ,
did you guys work for proton?
if yes, then i need your help… :)
please kindly response at my email, [email protected]
thanks
…said atau si-fu,
Please post me your email address to [email protected]. I got some topics on car to discuss/share with u all. Something like lampu belakang Lambo Reventon/Lambo LP560-4! I’ve talking about this at least 3 years ago! Thanks
sifu…. no ngv kit version for this mpv?? how the FC? 15KM per liter I guest. How about hybrid version… front really look like mitsu grandis, just my 2 cent
hi to all…
i notice that some of the readers complaints about the video quality.
I shot the video using my phone since i have any video camera at my disposal during that time…maybe u guys can provide me 1…
N since i’m not the expert in cars, well at least not Proton make, i was kinda impressed by this model…they were doing 140 km/j on the highway and hill climbing doesnt seem to give them any problem…manage to join their convoy until Simpang Pulai before i took off at Simpang Pulai exit…
N i was actually laughing when i read bout “getting paid by proton for this spyshot”…yeah rite…i’d be rich by now if i got paid for it…
Cheers to sifu and mr …
to ALPINA BMW ,if you really own one!!!, one advice.don’t see other people like they’re a loser.Don’t like P1 or whatever you don’t like , just leave it.I wonder how you,can do great in life until afford to own one (?) , still cannot think about how other people feel.And I wonder , why you still have to mention BMW ALPINA , because…..the tuner only do BMW.Even though BMW emblem is still there , it’s called ALPINA. I wonder what is stated in your registration card.U really own one….I don’t care.But please don’t make other people look down to you..
Too those who worship Toyota, you might wants to read this article:
“Within the past year, the deaths of two Toyota employees were found, under Japanese law, to have been caused by overwork.
Then in June, a downtown stabbing spree by a disgruntled worker at a Toyota subsidiary stunned Japan. The incident, which left seven dead, prompted further public scrutiny of the country’s leading automaker. Some questioned whether its aggressive cost cuts were putting a stressful squeeze on its employees.
Much of the emerging criticism applies to Japanese companies generally, and Toyota is far from the worst offender. But Toyota stands out as this nation’s model company and has been widely praised for turning worker empowerment into a key driver of sales and profit growth.”
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/09/10/business/AS-FEA-Japan-Two-Sides-of-Toyota.php
At least, here in Malaysia I have yet to heard anybody died due to overwork….
Peace!!
i think sifu and said are the same person? LOL. just kiddin
looks like neo with front bumper in mask as well at the back of the mpv
My name is …
I am scared of Proton oredy because of my Waja, but I like Proton’s pages in Paul’s blog, seeing all sort of comment, some like enemies, ‘killing’ each other :) BTW, nice to see an ‘Odyssey’ below 100k. Hope the driver’s leg room is not like Waja, you can only rest your left leg COMFORTABLY in one position and the floor is not even near the left side of driver’s seat, and got ayam’s sound (kok kok ke) the source of which cannot be found out by mechanicss for 2 years!
Damn! this MPV is bigger than i thought.Pity only meters away from interior shot.We have to wait for spyshot from bikers after this. Naik Motor JE?
After seeing some spy pics and comparison from other forum, i give 90% look alike with Chevvy MPV base from the side view. Think the platform sharing and model rebadge(engine change) rumours might become thruth.
some how the side profile, especially the 2 doors, remind me of wish, just that these r bigger.. from those spy shots, side n front, it will be a handsome mpv.
ericfoong81exe,
yet another rumor spreader…pls read previous comments…
For one, the Chery MPV has a wheelbase of 2800mm while the Proton MPV will be between 2700-2800mm. The Chery MPV also uses multilink suspension at the rear while the Proton MPV uses a torsion beam. Saying two models have the same underpinings based on looks doesn’t make sense.
paul, are u sure it will use torsion beam suspension for the rear. My personal experience with torsion beam (for the Tiara / Citroen ZX) is that the rear tends to bottom out under a heavy load. I always thought that torsion beam is the poor man’s suspension, we don’t see BMW or Benz using torsion beam. Just like Vios / Altis and even the new Nissan models, its a rip off.
Paul Tan says: Yes, spoke with Proton engineers at the Proton Technology Week plus the bare chassis was there for display which revealed its rear torsion beam. Torsion beam offers less flexibility in tuning ride and handling… but even the European Honda Civic Type R uses torsion beam. Same goes for the Megane R26.R we saw earlier.
http://www.mychery.net/forum/bin/ut/topic_show.cgi?id=522583&pg=1&age=0&bpg=1&del=&stamp=1223739756
does this look like proton MPV at all??maybe the doors are but check honda stream doors,mitsu grandis,toyota wish and some european models..all have similar rear door shape..maybe that the best was to design a seven seater MPV door.
compare with this pic…you can see alot of difference between chery easter n Proton MPV..or wait till the final product…
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h3/albirri/MPV2.jpg
CFA28,
torsion beams are not outdated..they have been there for like centuries,tats y many feel its old and outdated..but they have been refined and offer performance very similar to those multi links,z arms,super multilinks and all those fancy names…
why i say its similar performance..first it acts like a large stablizer bar thats the reason many off roader used to have torsion beam like suspension..
they distribute load more evenly but in term of handling…their response are slow plus tuning it will be harder but MPV are not performance orientated vechicle and the have to work under high loads compared to cars plus longer wheelbase…
so load distribution during cornering very important..and etc
forget engineering term and all…its hard to explain..
simple way to say…torsion beam is was much cheaper to produce and also design..so we can get cheaper MPV and proton can save some time and money on the design term….
cheaper to maintain…dont have to change mutliple bushes,wishbones,arms and etc(like many waja owner would have experienced)
plus wont have the noise that many waja anwers complain about…
save alot of space and ride height too..u can put the spring and absorber separately…and interior space as well!!
no need to adjust rear wheel alignments but many modern cars do have to since torsion beams have been improving to give more grip…
minimise tyre wear!!!very important feature!!
so you gain so many things and the only sacrifies is tuneability,performance and handling wont be like gen2 or waja…but know proton and lotus..and based on savvy(since it uses a torsion beam)handling will be greater than other MPVs on the road now!!
Prem3377 said,
October 24, 2008 @ 4:15 pm
but check honda stream doors,mitsu grandis,toyota wish and some european models..all have similar rear door shape..maybe that the best was to design a seven seater MPV door.
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i suspect its to do with access to the 3rd row of seats. so you’re right i suppose by saying its probably the best design for an mpv door.
Torsion beam in short wheelbase car like euro CIVIC R & Megane makes them tend to be tail happy, some said it will aid the FF understeer problem.
For Proton MPV, I believe few factors has been considered.
1) Cost
2) More Room as this setup is smaller, employ much lesser space
3) Straight road comfortness
fastcx…
well, it is just my 2 cents….not trying to create rumor. Let us wait and see the final product to find out the answer….
Prem3377, u seem to have quite a bit of knowledge of cars. Good for u! R u in the automotive industry?
Regarding the choice over torsion beam with mc-phearson suspension systems, the main reason for tis mpv and also some other mpv’s to use torsion beam set up is to reduce, wat they call ‘cabin intrusion’. This means, when the mpv carries full load, and it bottoms out (it suppose to bottom out), there will be less or no intrusion of the suspension to the mountings, simply meaning the suspension wont be maximumly displaced. When u use a multilink mc-phearson strut, it tend to max out easily on heavy loads because of the spring characteristics (spring constant value, and the deflection is linear up to a certain extend only in reality). This happens because the spring and the absorber is in one assembly, i.e, one piece! If u look at the torsion beam arrangement, the spring and the absorber is placed separately and usually the absorber and spring is placed in an angle to provide the ‘torsion’ effect’. So under heavy loads, the torsion effect of the absorber and spring will resist it from reaching the limits of displacement.
Another advantage of using torsion beam, it distributes the load better, because it has to surfaces to distribute its load and force, thus providing better comfort . U dont want an MPV that has a bumpy ride, do you?
Other then that, torsion beam set up has a fixed chamber, toe, and caster angle. So under heavy loads, ur real wheel alignment wont lari. If use mc-phearson, like waja, the alignment will lari easily under extreme load situations.
However, as u guys mentioned above, ride and handling will be sacrificied abit, because mc-phearson struts tend to be stiffer since its in one assembly. But here, lotus will do their part as we can see the results from savvy. Ride and handling wont be that bad la…i can assure that!
Cheers!
realALPINAowner said,
October 24, 2008 @ 12:16 pm
to ALPINA BMW ,if you really own one!!!, one advice.don’t see other people like they’re a loser.Don’t like P1 or whatever you don’t like , just leave it.I wonder how you,can do great in life until afford to own one (?) , still cannot think about how other people feel.And I wonder , why you still have to mention BMW ALPINA , because…..the tuner only do BMW.Even though BMW emblem is still there , it’s called ALPINA. I wonder what is stated in your registration card.U really own one….I don’t care.But please don’t make other people look down to you..
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well, if you’ve been to the showroom, they hate calling themselves bmw alpina but bmw insists on them calling themselves bmw alpina, plus does it even really matter, and i guess u must have bought a second hand bmw 316i and stuck a alpina emblem on it.
How come it looks like an ugly Innova??????
this photo by naikmotoje, see behind the MPV, is that the Satria Neo that we also talking about lately?
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h3/albirri/MPV1.jpg
zzua, looks like that neo’s front masked almost entire of its bumper,
quite an extesive facelift ,,kan
zzua, looks like that neo’s front masked almost entire of its bumper,
quite an extesive facelift ,,kan, or bodykitted,,!?
Sifu,
yup i am an engineer..but currently not in automotive industry..more in mechanical designs in power generation industry) but always wanted to be in(that my dream)..but not dedicated enough..people in proton all work very long hour la!!some of my friends work 16 hours a day especially after SZ took over..so susah abit..haha…so if some day proton decide to build cars with steam or gas turbine engines..find me la k?haha
have you guys forgotten the long-dead spyshots of the dubbed satria neo gti?
It have the same wheel arch design and with the masked bumper, it might be.
topic diversion, sorry bit,
my neo 1.3 auto basic campro is a bit punchier than saga 1.3 iafm auto,
neo has 12000km, saga is 7500km, well the millage is not that too far behind interm of breaking in.
is that the gear box combination like taller gear starting off,or other factor? while the curb weight data shows saga is lighter.
some gear box data might help, or probally 12000 does make a huge different from 7500, or else?
need si-fu
maybe u r pro at using stick shift
prem3377, you seemed interested in automotive engineering, probally its a joy if you have the opportunity i guess,
its like, you love what you doing, thats the energey multiply by passion, its devotion,
Err si-fu,
I thought that the MPV has drums for rear brake, is it?
si-fu,
i have a question…
will there be a waja replacement and a perdana replacement or just one car to replace both cars.
the police should ban these Proton mules from the public roads, with half of paultan.org readers sacrificing their lives just to grab a fuzzy photo someone is gonna get hurt sooner or later…
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Don u know that the co driver took the photos? why must police ban them? u got problem with eyesight?
i suggest u look once more !
From an inside information, the are using Campro CPS 1.6 (enough ar?)…
yes they using Wish body with take off this and that, make it lighter, then put this and that proton’s equipment…
so i hope that this gonna be good…
Like I said before …… Proton MPV – it will be a redbadged Chery Eastar. The one that everybody says is a lousy China car no quality etc. Now Proton MPV is based on that platform ……. let’s see the response again ….. haha
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That is so not true, it is using wish platform…
Just open this blog site….
By using search engine, type in…J Blog Perodua MPV
Same as Myvi, the next perodua next mpv is totally xerox from this model (Toyota Passo Sette). The different is exterior look and some interior design which adapted to Malaysian taste. The front bumper is same as Viva but with bigger emblem(just like latest edition of Myvi). The headlamp is just like Gen-2 profile (tiger eye) but not exactly same.
I hope that Mr Theopilius will come out latest version of photoshop picture adapted to this Passo.
I’d had to comment this.
BanyakMasukWorkshop said,
October 23, 2008 @ 11:35 am
madimat said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:47 am
proud2BMalaysian said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:35 am
ALPINA BMW said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:32 am
AWFUL CAR
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Don’t u have anything else to say?
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psst,… don’t say that to ALPINA larr,..
he’s driving a BMW la mat. Who we are to kutuk2 BMW drivers..?
we can only afford a Proton so just let MR BMW AlPeeNa say whatever he wanted to say ok. Hmm tapi kan nampak macam mamat ni takde life lorrr… . kutuk proton tapi masuk gak thread pasal Proton .. hehe funny guy
Actually he’s a teenager . -.-
Sophisticated words for nothing.
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and u’re nothing but a loser
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Damn u are a loser also ! Not just here, also at Paultan Forum ! Everyone hates u ! Booo !
I wonder, how to calculate a car FC with HP and bodyweight ? I heard that the less value u got, the more suitable the engine is, am i rite ?
Im doing for some researh about this, cant find the formula la, anyone can help? give me example also !
God.of.War,
FC and HP not related(in the sense of real life FC for example:everday driving) but (for engine FC and hp are related because the higher the HP per litre output the lower the FC la..simple!!calculate frm the graph put can get answer)..so there is no such formula but torque Nm & weight(kg) are related but still that does not relate to FC so conclusion is there is no formula to calculate FC with HP or Nm because FC does not only depends on the engine alone but Cd drag coefficient (aerodynamic of the vehicle),tyre resistance,gradient of road,habit of driving,stress on engine,downforce(Cd also) and so many things la
thats why most manufacturers run the car in controled enviroment usually on threadmill like machine and run the car at 90 km/h (the most efficient running speed) and give the FC value after getting the value frm exhaust gasses…
so i am sure to get the real life FC in a formula its not possible yet…but if you wanna know FC of the engine..findout the HP calculation formula usually based on per litre fuel burn…and you can know or there will be graphs which u can findout…
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h3/albirri/MPV2.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/nqpipx.jpg
macam same la.. just proton punye panjang sket..
any komen?
n00b, basically lots of mpvs looks alike, any comment? r u saying all mpvs actually copying each others? paul n some other commenter explained b4, so stop speculating, when things look alike, doesnt mean they r same! go get urself a nokla n95 instead of nokia n95 then, c whats the difference, since they look alike right? just a few place change ma… in short, use your brain more…pls…there r enough jokers in here already
God.of.War said,
October 25, 2008 @ 1:01 am
I’d had to comment this.
BanyakMasukWorkshop said,
October 23, 2008 @ 11:35 am
madimat said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:47 am
proud2BMalaysian said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:35 am
ALPINA BMW said,
October 23, 2008 @ 10:32 am
AWFUL CAR
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Don’t u have anything else to say?
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psst,… don’t say that to ALPINA larr,..
he’s driving a BMW la mat. Who we are to kutuk2 BMW drivers..?
we can only afford a Proton so just let MR BMW AlPeeNa say whatever he wanted to say ok. Hmm tapi kan nampak macam mamat ni takde life lorrr… . kutuk proton tapi masuk gak thread pasal Proton .. hehe funny guy
Actually he’s a teenager . -.-
Sophisticated words for nothing.
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and u’re nothing but a loser
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Damn u are a loser also ! Not just here, also at Paultan Forum ! Everyone hates u ! Booo !
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explain to me the paradox of a guy who isn’t love by anyone telling another person that everyone hates him? this must be the only place where people who knows nothing about cars like god.of.war come and comment about other people.
ALPINA BMW said,
October 24, 2008 @ 6:39 pm
realALPINAowner said,
October 24, 2008 @ 12:16 pm
to ALPINA BMW ,if you really own one!!!, one advice.don’t see other people like they’re a loser.Don’t like P1 or whatever you don’t like , just leave it.I wonder how you,can do great in life until afford to own one (?) , still cannot think about how other people feel.And I wonder , why you still have to mention BMW ALPINA , because…..the tuner only do BMW.Even though BMW emblem is still there , it’s called ALPINA. I wonder what is stated in your registration card.U really own one….I don’t care.But please don’t make other people look down to you..
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well, if you’ve been to the showroom, they hate calling themselves bmw alpina but bmw insists on them calling themselves bmw alpina, plus does it even really matter, and i guess u must have bought a second hand bmw 316i and stuck a alpina emblem on it.
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*off topic*
bmw has no right to call an alpina, a bmw alpina. Alpina is a registered brand as well as a registered independent-stand alone car manufacturer in germany. and yes, it matters.. because thats the brand of the car, alpina. no bmw, no whatever else, just simple alpina.
like it or not, those are the facts. if you are truely passionate about bmw’s and alpina’s, it definitely matters.
n00b said,
October 25, 2008 @ 4:47 am
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h3/albirri/MPV2.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/nqpipx.jpg
macam same la.. just proton punye panjang sket..
any komen?
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“macam sama” is the keywords here. macam only, but not the same.
roofline is different, shoulder line is different. even the rake of the windscreen is different. and even more obvious, the rear and front overhangs are totally different. not to mention every single panel, front fender to bonnet..etc. etc. etc. is different.
sorry dude, but you really need to check your eyes out.
Hikaru said,
October 23, 2008 @ 4:24 pm
Why no one say alphard is a boxy car? Because the lines are more cohesive and mantains a good balance between practicality (i.e. space) and sharp looks (sharp front). In another words, the design gels together. Of course I won’t deny the brand and the reputation helps, but like all automotive brands, brand image is very important.
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just saw this comment on the alphard.. i’m sorry man.. but to me, the ultimate boxy car is the alphard. i even think its boxier than than the juara coz it very large size accentuates its boxiness..
i cannot see anything in there that gels except for the fact that it has geometric symetry, ie. boxy.
but boxiness in itself isnt a bad thing, but in the alphards case, its not only boxy, but downright ugly.
and for the life of me, i cannot see how the brand can help, since it currently builds some of the most boring cars on the planet today. YES, well built, practical, reliable, good residual values, but definitely not pretty.
Did u guys see a picture in the latest Car.My magazine? Is that a picture of the new MPV. The author didnt say anything but just said is something not suppose to be shown or something like that…. check a look guys.
hey guyz………
listen !!!! oil price slipped to US $60 per barrel…. in which it should cost only around RM1.50 per liter…….. what the f*** our G is atill doing…….. Pak Lah… step down soon !!!!
yes the ve just announced to further reduce the price due to this ,
have you seen the latest news today?
by the way, saying this and that, about proton,
have you get inside the Persona SE,?
(please give comment based on true experience, not by online arm chair googling proton images, please,,)
Salam and selamat sejahtera to all Paultan.org commenters.
Nice pictues and video eventhough the video quite blurr. Just wait and see the real thing from P1. Hopefully it can be a successfull one for P1 for their first MPV and also the lucky winner for the naming contest. Who gonna win it? Wait and see.
Seriuosly people, did you see the picture in latest car.my magazine.
Aiyo~ If it is based on Chery’s Easter, then it’s good coz at least it is called a “Technology Transfer”. Many people just don’t understand that, China’s product has many quality for you to choose from, why u guys just want to discriminate China’s product? Does any China’s product sucks up ur money (FOR THOSE WHO DOES NOT LIKE CHINA’S PRODUCT)? So many China’s products have already benefited you all, but now you say China’s product is a lousy product!!!???!! Why you guys have to do this? For example, any one of you wearing an Underwear, Socks, Slipers, Purse or Wallet, or even the computer keyboard that you use to type the WORDS in Paultan.org, parts of ur Laptop or PC or Monitor that u use everyday. I’m very angry that you guys just does not want to accept the truth that you guys are discriminators to China Product.
We cannot be ego that our product is the best and China product is lousy, YOU,YOU,YOU, and YOU should not saying this, coz China Product is cover all around the world every where, we cannot just simply look at their black dots(Melamine Case) and say that “There are Black Dots in all China Products” we should not do this! REMEMBER, don’t say that YOU NEVER DONE A WRONG THING BEFORE, IN YOUR LIFE~~~ Give them a chance, they are just like past time’s Japan, in those days I remember that(old saying from my Dad) Toyota’s car is Lousy car(Coz the material they use is simply Bad Quality) coz they are not as good as those cars made by Ford. But now, look at Toyota, they are the prestigious car maker in the world, and that’s what the China’s car maker is trying to do now. So give the China Product a chance, don’t “Kutuk” at them, because most of the bad quality product from China, are all demamded from the Request person, because the request person may quote a certain of price which you can’t make it in any factory in the world can make, but China can make it, and this is the Bad from the Request Person not China Product, they are just barely “DO/MAKE IT ON YOUR REQUEST/ACQUISITION” only.
So if this Proton MPV is really based on Chery Easter, you and me should be happier, coz part of it is from China means It’ll be cheaper for you and me, YUHUH~~~~\(^v^)/ cheers, my fellow China products discriminator!!~~!Smile lah.
@God.of.War
Is ‘him’ in the forum?
I didn’t realize.
Respon to henryee (paultan.org joker)
Paul Tan said,
October 24, 2008 @ 3:17 pm
For one, the Chery MPV has a wheelbase of 2800mm while the Proton MPV will be between 2700-2800mm. The Chery MPV also uses multilink suspension at the rear while the Proton MPV uses a torsion beam. Saying two models have the same underpinings based on looks doesn’t make sense.
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aenz81 said,
henryee,
u know what make people think china cars r lousy?? that because every single of china cars still fail to get any star at europe NCAP test crash… for ur information, i’m still wearing an Underwear, Socks, Slipers, Purse or Wallet that made in malaysia and not made in china.. thank god that china r not export their “produk tenusu” into malaysia that well known now mixed with “melamine” for cheating in protein, calcium and iron tests.. and my son’s made in china toys just can lasts 2 days (put inside car, direct to sunlight then melted) from the purchasing date.. yes, Toyota r at the eyes of the world but for chery, brilliance, geely and the others… still a long way to go… they need to pass NCAP test crash if want take a place in europe…
even how bad QC of proton cars under previous management, proton already take a place in europe.. and what they need to do now under new management is… increase the popularity of proton cars.. preffer to QC of proton cars now, i think they can do it…
cheers!!… eh… macam si-fu pulak.. kang kena saman aku nanti pakai “trademark” dia heheh :P
to all i know, Paultan also been paid for all this ….he got persona for free in fact ..can you deny this paul…we had many friend there :)
Paul Tan says: I know you come from a competing website (e-kereta) but no need to fitnah me here lah. Show me your proof? You are also accusing Proton in the process.
Anyway I have enough problems reminding proton to send me press releases that’s why sometimes for example my Proton Saga story has no photo of the car at first, then the photo will be added later when I finally get it from Proton. They sometimes appear to be not even interested even in free publicity of their business activities, you think they want to pay for it ah? How to get car la brother!
The only time I have ever received money from Proton is roughly two years ago when Proton Edar put up an ad banner on my site. That was a bad experience for me in collecting the payment.
FarinaRacer said,
October 26, 2008 @ 9:24 am
to all i know, Paultan also been paid for all this ….he got persona for free in fact ..can you deny this paul…we had many friend there
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Then..
Paul oso got :
1 myvi se #2 (for a post of it)
1 viva (oso post about viva)
1 gen2 cps
1 upcoming proton MPV.
Ahh!.. what i can’t accept accept is… he also got
1 – Nissan GTR!
1 – Ferrari california
1 – VW STR3
and the list go on.. .
Wah like that I also want to quit my job & becomes a full time auto blogger.
BTW, during the middle-end of the video, the driver seems struggling to catch up with the second MPV. The P1 driver trying to avoid maybe? haha.
aenz, fyi china already selling cars in europe, maybe not so many but neither is proton. maybe you didnt know but euroncap isn’t required to sell in europe. after all proton doesnt exactly have a great record in euroncap themselves.
hey, don’t expect too much from Proton.
Not worth it to wait, to see and experience this machine.
Better save all your $$ for tomorrow.
Remember – Recession is COMING.
BanyakMasukWorkshop said,
October 25, 2008 @ 10:54 am
ALPINA BMW said,
October 24, 2008 @ 6:39 pm
realALPINAowner said,
October 24, 2008 @ 12:16 pm
to ALPINA BMW ,if you really own one!!!, one advice.don’t see other people like they’re a loser.Don’t like P1 or whatever you don’t like , just leave it.I wonder how you,can do great in life until afford to own one (?) , still cannot think about how other people feel.And I wonder , why you still have to mention BMW ALPINA , because…..the tuner only do BMW.Even though BMW emblem is still there , it’s called ALPINA. I wonder what is stated in your registration card.U really own one….I don’t care.But please don’t make other people look down to you..
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well, if you’ve been to the showroom, they hate calling themselves bmw alpina but bmw insists on them calling themselves bmw alpina, plus does it even really matter, and i guess u must have bought a second hand bmw 316i and stuck a alpina emblem on it.
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*off topic*
bmw has no right to call an alpina, a bmw alpina. Alpina is a registered brand as well as a registered independent-stand alone car manufacturer in germany. and yes, it matters.. because thats the brand of the car, alpina. no bmw, no whatever else, just simple alpina.
like it or not, those are the facts. if you are truely passionate about bmw’s and alpina’s, it definitely matters.
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go check the alpina’s website, btw, does it even matter, be it alpina, bmw alpina, audi alpina, it doesnt even really matter, as long as you don’t own a bmw or an alpina, it does not really matter to you right?
BanyakMasukWorkshop said,
October 25, 2008 @ 11:02 am
n00b said,
October 25, 2008 @ 4:47 am
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h3/albirri/MPV2.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/nqpipx.jpg
macam same la.. just proton punye panjang sket..
any komen?
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“macam sama” is the keywords here. macam only, but not the same.
roofline is different, shoulder line is different. even the rake of the windscreen is different. and even more obvious, the rear and front overhangs are totally different. not to mention every single panel, front fender to bonnet..etc. etc. etc. is different.
sorry dude, but you really need to check your eyes out.
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that why i wrote “macam sama” not “memang sama”..
what i mean “macam sama” is “die punya tingkap tepi nampak macam sama la”…
no need to check my eyes..
Ya lor… I saw KTM komuter and Toyota Avanza also the same .
And the Alphard also same as KTM Komuter tooo!..
suprisely.. all of them boxy, and had a glass window!
*ps/: And I’m no need to check my eye.. nor my brain. :p
awak said,
October 25, 2008 @ 4:33 pm
yes the ve just announced to further reduce the price due to this ,
have you seen the latest news today?
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yeah… i saw it today ….. G said they dun wan 2 reduce price more than 20 sen bcoz G said it wld badly affect petrol station owners…. but they agree that actually it shld only cost around Rm 1.50…. i dun get the point of G…. when dey increase d oil price by Rm0.80 sen, they didnt consider the profit gained by petrol station owners but when they want to reduce, they start 2 consider petrol station owners….. whats happening to our G ???? does it make sense ??????? If americans can review oil prices EVERYDAY, hw come malaysian G cannot ????? Or else our G shld stop saying ” Malaysia Boleh ” !!!!!
kalau price ok, apa orang nak kata, katalah….aku tetap nak beli.
aku tetap bangga dengan Proton.
Proton dengar Permintaan rakyat Malaysia
yang berkeluarga besar.
Proton Mesti tolong rakyat dan barulah rakyat akan tolong Proton.
jadi price mesti ok aaaa..
pasal kualiti … aku dah dengar banyak proton owner memuji (new model
neo, persona, gen-2, saga.)
tahniah .. aku gerenti Proton MPV ni akan laris gila punya ..
kepada pekerja proton . harap korang bersedia dah buat sehabis baik
jangan ada defect.. kekalkan kepercayaan kami. sebab beribu riban akan order MPV ni lepas launch nanti.
Proton Sagwa said,
October 26, 2008 @ 1:28 pm
aenz, fyi china already selling cars in europe, maybe not so many but neither is proton.
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Proton sagwa, if people watching video of brilliance BS6 test crash and the other china made car that “sama waktu dgn nya” in youtube.. will china cars can sell well in europe as people know the car have a bad chasis? i’m often to read about car reviews at carsurvey.org. For proton, even the QC still debate in mystery level in there, but some of them statisfied, proud and prising the car.. but for china made car?? Brilliance, chery, geely and etc… when i read their reviews and comments.. it seems they had enough with the car… and KIA Carnival was the worst mpv get bashed when i read at that websites as it’s have a very lousy rover engine… And for our new Proton MPV, we hopes this mpv will success in term of quality and engine improvement with affordable price..
:) A’enz81 :)
and i know KIA was korean car manufacturer.. KOREAN INTERNATIONAL AUTOMOBILE/AUTOMOTIVE
bmpower said,
October 26, 2008 @ 9:38 pm
Ya lor… I saw KTM komuter and Toyota Avanza also the same .
And the Alphard also same as KTM Komuter tooo!..
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Mr. bmpower.. don’t u realize that Proton Juara was a mini Alphard?? hahaha..
if ur answer is “YES”… no need to check ur eyes.. and mine also… that because Juara was really look like Alphard and sure can be called MINI ALPHARD!!! :D :D :D :D
:) A’enz81 :)
what ever it is start from year 2000 proton design their own car,
its so happened that juara is still mitsubishi town box based, its japanese basically.
nothing is too wrong with that ,its just that at the time juara is considered expensive, thats why its not popular and the look,,,
but now juara one of the cutey proton’s ever in its line up, sometimes i do feel to own one, in black, or currenet energy orange,
we have proton design, we have japanese based, thats part and parcel of how proton grows,
and not too soon but probably proton will have vvt +cps, like variocam plus, yes it has been mention, and the milestone of the proton has been projected.
Any new spy shot?
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dear reader….
frankly speak i already seen this new baby from proton uncamo …both high line and low line….exterior and interior….for me i like the front of it so much but the rear is not so inviting…but still it so beautiful and nice design…i like the high line colour scheme that i saw…sory guys cannot say much…dun wan to jeopardize my future hahaha…my advise to one looking to buy an MPV hold your money and wait for this baby to come out
so, already november..i tot the MD said the winner of “name the Proton MPV” contest will be announced in october..any news??
chap_de_x,
The one you saw uncamo… how much different is it from the leaked clay model images?
Next year we have two choices of MPV to buy. Perodua and Proton, all are national car manufactures. We will see which one of them are really helping ‘RAKYAT’ to own a car, specialy for a big family and golongan berpendapatan sederhana………………
psl wat rims kecik?
xnmpak sporty lgsung
tggula launch mpv tu brula komen… proudla to be malaysian sape2 yg born kt cnie.. toksah duk komen buruk aje… thanks to all proton team!! for me its impressive..
Congratulations to the PROTON Team. The new brand EXORA is really cool..
With such a design together with competitive price, I think it will boost up the Malaysian confidence with our local car manufacturer. For those who tend to give a bad comment for this car, I suggest you to check out this car with your own eyes before making judgement based on pictures.
Have a drive test and later come out with your wise opinion.
This Proton MPV will kill Avanza and Grand Livina and Innova.
Spacious and beautiful shape.
Tahniah proton krana skali lagi berjaya buat saduran mpv drp mana-mana model d dunia. Apa pun itulah yang kita mampu. Apa yang diwujudkan orang tak kisah, macam mana rupa dan gaya yang ditampilkan kerana rakyat malaysia jujur dan ikhlas akan modified jadi lebih dahsyat lagi. Namun di dalam kejujuran rakyat malaysia, ada penipuan yang dilakukan oleh orang DALAM, dalam mencari identiti, nama dan kemegahan MPV tersebut. Senang katalah menyentuh soal peraduan menamakan proton salah satu syarat peraduan yang dikenakan tidak boleh menamakan MPV tersebut dengan nama flora dan fauna. Mungkin nama Exora tersebut membawa maksud lain kot!..(mungkin nama sejenis cawan atau mangkuk). Anak_malaysia kata asyik-asyik komplen dan ada saja yang tak kena… memangkalah tak kena…kerana terang-terang rakyat malaysia di tipu dengan syarat-syarat (tak bagi orang luar menang). Ingat, dulu Juara pun dia orang kata MPV, apa dah jadi…kena tipu jugak…akhirnya jd kotak je… MPV kali ni real kot…
Kepada yang nak buat pertandingan dan peraduan jangan letak syarat-syarat yang boleh makan diri. Thank….and justice for all
banyakmasukworkshop ni….bau ada…orang upah protonlah
banyakmasukworkshop….i can smell…mafia protonlah
tahniah proton, ape2 pun hope mpv ni sesuai utk semua la…kan
pada yg semmg duk komen tu.. open la skit minda tu….
mane2 kereta ade kelemahan dan kebaikkan sendiri…
kalau rase sesuai mampu beli la..jgn dok komen jer…
My Way My Proton
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