Perodua Alza finally launched: a car or an MPV?

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Here it is – the new Perodua Alza! We’ve been following the development of this MPV ever since we first got news of its existence back in early 2008, where it was reported that Toyota and Daihatsu were going to build a new MPV and produce it in Indonesia. When the Daihatsu Luxio MPV came out we all got a shock – that more of a van so we waited patiently until Christmas last year when the Toyota Passo Sette was finally unveiled in Japan. Nearly a year later, the Perodua-badged model with a new front, rear and interior is here

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Alot of people that are casually (not urgent) in the market for an MPV will have probably been waiting for the D46T project to be launched for a long time now. After all, the majority of the country can only afford either a Proton or a Perodua, and you really have to wonder why it took them so long to serve this market niche when all of its competitors have been priced out of affordability.

The national MPVs should have come sooner so that consumers who have big families would not have needed to stuff their 5-seaters to the brim whenever they needed to balik kampung.

I have to say that with the Myvi, the Japanese Passo looked better, but with the Alza I feel our own Malaysian design team has trumped the Japanese guys. The Passo Sette had this slightly bulgy-eyed look while the Alza looks far more sleeker. I don’t see any reason why anyone would want to ‘convert’ their Alza back to a Passo Sette but then again design is a subjective personal thing.

As for the name Alza, it actually means ‘to rise’ in Spanish. Probably symbolises Perodua rising up the product segments once again – its cars are getting bigger and bigger.

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The Perodua Alza’s headlamps also come with projector lenses for the main beam across the entire line-up. I’m not saying you should be doing this but for those that want to retrofit HID bulbs to the Alza, the projector lenses will result in a relatively cleaner and nicer looking light beam.

On the rear you get LED tail lamps and for the Premium version you also get a spoiler. There is a bee sting antenna located towards the rear of the roof but towards the left rear instead of being positioned smack in the middle. Perodua says this is so that the owner will be able to flip the antenna down when required easily as compared to if it was in the middle. There are a few colours to choose from but personally I’m digging the Classy Purple, which is a new colour.

How much is the new Perodua Alza?

So anyway, here we are finally, the Perodua Alza. The smaller MPV also comes with a smaller price tag, though Proton has worked to introduce the Exora Basic as well. Perodua says the Alza project first started off as the D46T about 3 years ago. The Japanese version was unveiled on Christmas day last year.

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It’s cheaper than the Exora though technically it isn’t the cheapest in the market. Changan-Berjaya sells their Chana Era CM8 “van” at prices starting from under RM40k.

Perodua Alza 1.5L Standard M/T
Solid – RM55,490
Metallic – RM55,990
S. Metallic – RM56,190
Perodua Alza 1.5L Standard A/T
Solid – RM58,490
Metallic – RM58,990
S. Metallic – RM59,190
Perodua Alza 1.5L Premium M/T
Solid – RM60,490
Metallic – RM60,990
S. Metallic – RM61,190
Perodua Alza 1.5L Premium A/T
Solid – RM63,490
Metallic – RM63,990
S. Metallic – RM64,190

*S. Metallic – Pearl White

Datuk Syed Hafiz revealed that a sportier version with a bodykit, GPS navigation and a reverse camera will be introduced in March 2010, though I think showrooms are already taking bookings for this version now. This model will be premium and auto-only, and will go for RM69,990 which is RM6k on top of the Metallic Premium automatic.

How big is the Perodua Alza?

  Alza Exora Livina 1.6 Avanza 1.5 Rondo Innova
Kerb Weight 1,150kg 1,422kg 1,245kg 1,120kg 1,563kg 1,575kg
Length 4,205 4,592 4,420 4,150 4,545 4,580
Width 1,695 1,809 1,690 1,630 1,800 1,770
Height 1,620 1,691 1,590 1,695 1,650 1,755
Wheelbase 2,750 2,730 2,600 2,655 2,700 2,750
Track (F) 1,475 1,542 1,470 1,415 1,573 1,510
Track (R) 1,465 1,530 1,475 1,425 1,569 1,510
Fuel Tank 42L 55L 52L 45L 55L 55L
Power (hp) 104hp 125hp 104hp 108hp 142hp 134hp
Torque (Nm) 136Nm 150Nm 150Nm 141Nm 189Nm 182Nm
kg/Nm 8.45 9.48 8.3 7.94 8.27 8.65

Above you will find a comparison of various MPVs available in the Malaysian market. The Alza’s power output and weight is actually quite similiar to the Avanza’s, which means performance should be comparable. The Alza and Avanza actually use the same 3SZ-VE engine though the Alza’s is transverse and the Avanza’s is longitudinal for rear wheel drive installation. There is a discrepancy with the power figures quoted above for the Alza and Avanza engine, but I think it’s because Perodua gave DIN numbers while the Toyota numbers are a different kind of measurement.

Is there enough power?

When we drove the Alza under a load of 4 to 5 people it was quite possible to drive in a relaxed manner, though pace was rather hampered. Driving it in a “youthful” manner with hurried progress called for the engine to be revved into the upper boundaries of the rev range most of the time. What made it worse is the fact that the engines did not seem to be run in properly, and most of us in the same car agreed.

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Veteran journo Leeps (who went ahead and bought one after the media preview drive) described it as being kinda ‘tight’, while to me the sensation was of an inconsistent torque curve (also reflected in RPM needle progress) that kept dipping randomly. It’s really quite a bummer as when things like this happens it does not reflect the car’s actual performance (just like the Mazda 3 review unit earlier this year), leaving a big blank question mark in my review expectations. So watch out for another review later, as this is pretty much just a preview drive in a circle around the Shangrila Putrajaya, though there was some very nice curves and uphills and downhills.

With regards to the revviness, you really can’t run away from this kind of engine behaviour if you try to drive it like a sports car under heavy loads. The engine has no problems taking the car around gently. I really wouldn’t consider it a significant improvement over the Exora but I found throttle response to be zipper compared to the Campro CPS. Thankfully the sound insulation for the Alza preview drive units (and the Exora) are sufficient to supress any excessive vibrations. The Alza’s engine remained sounding refined up to the redline, despite the inconsistent power delivery issues.

How big is the Alza on the inside?

When I saw the specs list it looked promising as the Alza has got a wheelbase of 2,750mm which is even longer than the Exora’s. But it really depends on how you package the vehicle together so a longer wheelbase may not translate to a longer interior space. Perodua has provided some data on the Alza’s interior dimensions.

Perodua Alza
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The first row is great. The seats can go back as much as I want it to and the ergonomics for the manual transmission gear lever seems better than the Myvi as I didn’t feel it was too far up front. The automatic transmission model’s shift lever is positioned at the dashboard while the handbrake is actually a foot brake. This frees up the space in between the front two seats, but instead of leaving it empty Perodua decided to extend the driver seat leftwards to fill up the space.

But that space cannot really be used as a seat because the part of the dashboard with the air cond panel and the gear lever juts out too much. I also like the armrest that you can fold down – it feels quite soft.

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I did not like the fact that the manual model had no arm rests so I suggested to the Perodua engineers that accompanied us during the drive that perhaps they should add a seat-mounted armrest like the Honda CRV’s to the manual model. They took note of it.

The center meter panel is lit up with blue and white illumination with the Premium model while the regular model gets amber illumination, though both are of the self-illuminating Optitron type. There is only manual air conditioning controls available and they look like the same parts used in the Vios.

Perodua Alza First Row

The second row has the ability to slide back and forth. In a sliding mechanism there is less space freed up for third row passengers to get proper footing on the way out compared to a tumble-fold mechanism so there is a short overslide where you can slide it little extra towards the front to help the third row passengers get out.

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Because of the low roof and the generally tight space it’s not easy to get into the back. And while I could sit in the third row of the Exora without my knee touching the second row (albeit a little uncomfortably due to not so optimum leg angles), sitting in the third row of the Alza resulted in my knee pushing against the second row seat back. A good thing the seat back is made of a soft material. But then again I am 181cm so please head on to the showroom to check out the Alza to see if it fits your space requirements. BTW, the third row is a single bench with no split.

Perodua Alza 2nd row exit problem

And then there is also the issue of an awkward exit for an adult in the second row when you have set the position of the second row to allow for someone to sit comfortably in the third row. Your feet will actually be positioned way in front of the B pillar, so you’ll have to make awkward maneuvers with your leg in order to get out properly.

There’s no issue in exiting the second row when you have the second row pushed far back, but you can’t do that when there are people in the third row waiting for you to get out of the car so they can get out themselves! So there’s really no solution for the awkward 2nd row exit and its an ergonomic flaw.

Perodua Alza Third Row Down

If I were to buy an Alza I would just great it as a 5 seater and leave the third row permanently down. Then I would slide the second row all the way to the back so that all four to five passengers in the car can get good legroom. To me, this isn’t an Exora competitor but more of a Persona/Waja competitor.

The Alza is best used as wagon substitute for a sedan. The same space as a sedan (perhaps even better) and a more flexible storage area. When you turn it into an MPV, somehow there are just too many compromises to be made, unless you are talking about children only for the third row. In that situation it would probably work great!

If you’re worried about not getting used to the foot brake initially and always leaving it activated while you drive off, according to the specs list there’s supposed to be a little buzzer that warns you about it although I did not try it myself.

How’s the luggage space?

Perodua Alza Boot

I’ll let the photo speak for itself. The luggage space depth is about 30cm but the third row kinda slants rearwards so you have more of a triangular wedge kind of boot space. WIth the third row folded, the luggage space grows up to 89.5cm in length. It’s a Myvi with a good sized boot. And BTW, yes there is a spare tyre located under the car but it s a temp tyre and not a full sized tyre.

Compartments

You can click the image above to view all the various compartments in the car. There are loads of cupholders.

How does the Perodua Alza handle?

Test Drive
Click to view our test drive route

The Alza behaves surprisingly decently around the bends on our test route. It’s definitely better than the Myvi. All four of us in the Alza 1.5 Premium A/T were all pleasantly surprised by this. I also had no complaints about the weighting of the power steering system – a decent weight makes it easier to point instead of being overassisted where it turns too easily and makes it hard for the driver to hold it in the position he or she wants through a bend.

When I asked the engineers, they said the Alza had improved suspension settings and it was likely that the biggest contributor to the Alza’s decent behaviour around corners is the addition of a rear stabilizer bar. The Myvi does not have this.

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The rest of the suspension layout is similiar to the Myvi’s – MacPherson struts at the front and a torsion bar at the rear. The wheels are 15 inchers across the range and the tyres are 185/55R15.

The manual gearshift while in a good position to be reached of course does not offer Civic Type R kind of shift feel. It feels very rubbery and for some reason the feel of putting it into first gear is just somehow tak sedap, like it only goes in half way or something, without much feedback to you that the gear is in position. The rest of the gear positions feel ordinary.

Malaysia is a hot country – how is the air conditioning?

I think this is one of the most important features in an MPV. Stuffing many annoyed people in a hot vehicle is surely a recipe for family arguments! There is only one blower in the Perodua Alza and dashboard-level air conditioning vents are only available at the front.

Perodua Alza Air Conditioning
Click for enlarged image

Perodua says the interior of the Alza’s low roof helps with the air circulation. You can click the image above to test out some test results on air conditioning performance that they’ve released. The tests were performed with a starting cabin temperature of 55 degrees Celcius and test results were obtained after 11 minutes of driving with the air cond at maximum performance.

I tried sitting in the rear bench with the air cond blower turned up and I was surprised that there was sufficient air cond breeze reaching me. I could even feel the blower air hitting my face when I was standing outside the rear of the car with the boot open. Based on our short driving experience in late morning temperature conditions, I believe the air conditioning system performs sufficiently though you’ll probably have to wait a few minutes for the last row to be cool and comfy.

Are there any safety features?

Yes, only for the premium version, which gets the full ABS and dual SRS airbags treatment. I’m not sure if I can even call that full since we can get 4 airbags in a car below RM100k now – in the Peugeot 308. Even Proton is guilty of this – 2 airbags is the most you can get in any Proton sold in Malaysia.

The standard version is devoid of any safety features whatsoever other than your usual crumple zone and the chassis. ABS, EBD and dual SRS airbags are only available for the premium version, which I find is just plain skimping on specifications. Why couldn’t they have left a single airbag for the standard version? There are also no ISOFIX points anywhere in the car, so you’ll be forced to strap your baby chair with seatbelts (as per some reader’s request, please read my long rant about ISOFIX in this story).

What about the Alza’s Fuel Consumption?

Its premature to talk about fuel consumption at this point of time considering we drove only a few km around Shangrila Putrajaya. Logically I don’t expect the Alza to perform great in terms of fuel efficiency if you have a full load but it’s probably still going to be cheaper than if you take two cars.

Perodua claims 12.7 km per litres with the automatic transmission model and 15.5 km per litres with the manual transmission model. This is based on their own internal “Perodua mixed mode test”, so these numbers will be different from the Passo Sette’s which are based on Japan 10-15 mode.

The Alza’s multi-info display meter integrated in the center dashboard has the ability to show you your average fuel consumption in litres per 100km, and your remaining range based on the fuel remaining in your fuel tank in terms of km.

I will be requesting for a test drive unit later in order to do some day to day driving with only one or two people in the car and measure the overall fuel consumption. I’ll also be trying to measure the fuel consumption on a full load on a short trip somewhere. I believe with these two figures you can get a better picture of the kind of fuel money you’ll be forking out if you own an Alza.

The Perodua Alza drives decently (you honestly can’t say the Alza handles like a boat or the usual stuff that gets said about the Myvi) and offers a lot of space inside, as long as you don’t actually use it as an MPV. At the kind of prices Perodua is asking for, it could become an alternative to sedans from Proton or the Korean manufacturers, or for those who have the spare cash and want something newer than the Myvi, with a bigger bootspace. Just buy the Premium version to make sure you get all the necessary safety equipment.

But if you are looking for an alternative to the Exora or any other MPV, you’ll have to think twice if you need it to fit 7 adults.

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Comments

  • Broody on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:03 am

    cool…

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  • no1 !

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  • kebergz on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:05 am

    1st

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  • Izhar on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:11 am

    look spacious and delicious

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  • kenneth tee on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:12 am

    i'm 4th!!!

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  • NAJIB on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:13 am

    Wow.. quite long review.. comment first then read..hehe

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  • hmm... on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:14 am

    thanx for the info paul… it's a nice car… but, i've booked gen-2 cps… no regrets… btw, it's a good alternative to small sedans… i dun think people will regret buying it…. so, welcome to msia p2 alza… :-)

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  • Nawzidhom on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:15 am

    already booking maa… :)

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  • nasurudin on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:15 am

    I buy a Livina because the after sales are by people who knows engines. P2 service team knows nothing about engine

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  • iLachva on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:15 am

    this actually look pretty ugly, something like longer version of Myvi.

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  • Looks OK, but the front does remind me of the Exora in some way. Well, maybe its just me. Oh and a good job for Perodua bringing it in as a rebadged model. I honestly think NO ONE in Malaysia would want to pay a hefty sum Toyota would charge for this small thing if Toyota actually marketed the vehicle. So, kudos in bringing it in cheap.

    :)

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  • mamat puchong on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:18 am

    looks impressive and a job well done.

    however.. in long run P2 should develope their own engine and etc.

    that would be a truely a job well done.

    cheer

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  • coldfusion (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:21 am

    Nice one. Been waiting awhile for this already. Its about time. This just might be an Exora-killer.

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  • for an mpv, its too tight for the third row if it full house.

    driiving position is good, flat position steering makes it feel at home. good for driver.

    not yet driving the car, its 1.5 i belive is more than enough.

    luggage?-little space.

    most of the time people drive with third row folded. so it comes back to car.

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  • JKucing on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:26 am

    third row too tight… :( but expected….

    any news on Exora 1.6 Turbo?

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  • Tiadaid on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:27 am

    Well, it's safe to say that we shouldn't compare the Alza with the Exora. Even Paul said so himself, the Alza is a Persona/Waja competitor. I'd like to see the legroom with the back-row seats down and the 2nd row shunted way back. The legroom of a limousine anybody?

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  • claxxion on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:28 am

    They should have offered it in more colours. All their colour range are dull. Except for the purple.

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  • kealchg on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:30 am

    I booked one and "RISE" to the occasion…what are you waiting for?

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  • kealchg on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:31 am

    BTW paultan, I'm digging the Classy Purple too!

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  • i don think all post here read the article above

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  • nice looking car…luv the headlamps.

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  • mockviper (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:34 am

    coldfusion said, Nice one. Been waiting awhile for this already. Its about time. This just might be an Exora-killer.

    ——>>

    i dont think that its an Exora killer.. Exora is a class upper than ALZA, a true 7 seater MPV. its just another option for those who would like to buy a sedan, but in need for extra 2 seats when they need it.

    seems like everyone favors P2 over P1 since i dont see anyone complaining about the standard or 'base line' version of ALZA at RM55k price tag. No ABS+EBD, no airbags, no isofix. everything is good ;)

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  • rookie on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:35 am

    yepp, this thing will work great if it is use as a wagon instead of an mpv…

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  • I went to look at the car just now. Looks nice and very stylish. But, somehow, I am not satisfied with the headroom, it's kind of low and very hard for tall people to enter and exit the car. Anyway, the interior looks simple and nice. After all, I would say it is a good car. :) I would consider this if I would get a new car for my wife..

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  • kaishio on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:36 am

    "All four of us in the Alza 1.3 premium auto were all pleasantly surprised by this."

    Paul, should be 1.5 la.. BTW, great review & thanks for sharing! Will Myvi get this engine??

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  • fookiat on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:37 am

    Dear Paul,

    Thanks fort the great review, I just came back from the showroom and have just thought of booking it. Will make the final decision tomorrow after the test drive.

    There is a typo in your review. Its suppose to be a 1.5 Premium instead of 1.3 Premium. Right? Sorry if I am wrong.

    Thanks again for the wonderful review.

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    • Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 at 10:21 pm

      You better think twice before buying…. there is an unpleasant “kung” noise when turn on the air con…..i reported it….and the authorized air con dealer said it is normal….wat kind of bullshit lies is that….? Hve you ever heard such noise in other cars…other brands? No…none !!!

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      • orange on Feb 04, 2011 at 3:08 am

        come on …. 58k only , if want better quality , pay more lar ….

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  • coldfusion said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

    Nice one. Been waiting awhile for this already. Its about time. This just might be an Exora-killer.

    ———————————

    not just exora killer, its myvi killer and ur killer also…safety only on premium only wat? "standard" la no safety, ur safety is "premium" maa? if proton tin milo..tis p2 tin 100plus….not care rite coz not proton…proton basher always say that kind of comment…hehehehohoh

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  • The car is nice.

    I think it's a car rather than MPV.

    It kinda reminds me of Honda Jazz rather than Avanza or Livina

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  • Hmm.. not bad for a wagon, but you have to think 100x to buy it as an MPV. Overall from what paul said, Alza is far better than Myvi, but personally i think it is not comparable with mid size MPV like Exora and above. This can't suit for those people who want a MPV or a compact / sedan car, only those who like Myvi with bigger luggage space will chose this car. I would still like Exora to be my MPV. Good luck with Alza buyers! Enjoy your syiok sendiri car. Your taste is unique.

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  • whizzer (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:44 am

    Going to show room now… Will book if I like it.

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  • nasurudin on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:47 am

    The Alza and Avanza actually use the same 3SZ-VE engine. ITs a year 04 engine . alamak

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  • fastcx on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:48 am

    like paul mentioned, I believe it's compete with sedan more than full fledged mpv, not even livina. if i were to buy this, will use it as a wagon/sedan most of the time as the boot space will be humongous n enough space for 5 in 1st n 2nd roll

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  • zarreta on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:48 am

    congrat p2!

    i agree with u paul..this is more like a wagon

    yes..this car is sedan competitor..not a 'real' mpv

    mpv is about space and comfort

    i've experienced driving livina 1.6 with full capacity..6 people + luggages..wah..very tight..can't imagine if it was Alza!

    anyway..this new mpv gives the people more choices..your money..your choice..haha!

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  • it should be called MPCc = multi purpose car

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  • tiwasok on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:54 am

    Hmm..handling behave better than Myvi…yet Persona handles better than Myvi…so, Alza handling poorer than Persona?

    And Paul, you said Alza 1.3 premium?

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  • drputera on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:56 am

    for an MPV it is too small and crampy. a replacement for EXORA as an MPV , not a good choice.

    as a replacement for avanza, or sedan with some space YES.

    no wonder Syed of PROTON quite confident that th eimpact on exora will be minimal.

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    • mohd fitri on Sep 23, 2011 at 9:34 am

      the alza is more fit body than exora or whatever the mpv car because alza is more comfortable car that i have done

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  • At last, the review is out….

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  • boylosong on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:59 am

    exora for me, dun want to give p2 big bonuses next year :)

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  • prolever on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:00 am

    very cute ….

    but…

    i agree with iLachva…….WHY??????? (my opinion)

    first look more like viva +myvi limo(stretch la)??? ( i cant dream about it)

    second look more like mini exora from the front @#$$%

    third look more like car 4 flood season..ya la, the rear look 'terangkat' like makcik2 pull up their batik when walk through the becak or something…..

    btw…

    i thing ah Beng and the geng now struggle for creating kit for the car…..

    hurry ah beng……the wagon AKA mini mpv AKA car is waiting…

    ahak3

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  • squawk on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:00 am

    Agree with Paul, this is just a wagon not so much an MPV. If I'm in the market for this type of wagon, a used 307 SW with extra 2 seats looks quite tempting. I just have to worry about the gov doing us in the tailpipe with the ban on imported used parts.

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  • lanpapalan on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:06 am

    wheres the power report , only front aircond still brag the transfer speed.

    proton exora is far more spacious.

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  • 15th!!!!!!!!!!!

    better than myvi…this extended butt so called mpv is more like wagon…

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  • exora 1.6 not enough power need turbo

    alza 1.5 too much power maa!!! owh…too much

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  • iskett on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:12 am

    The exterior looks good.

    But as suspected, P2 will always be skimpy on the specs..

    The interior plastic looks very cheap, even compared to P1, but have to see first hand.

    Hmm.. I read about the Exora B-line previously and many people complained on it being just a 'body with engine', not safe, bla bla..

    Let see how you describe this Alza?? lol! Simply overpriced!

    No safety features whatsoever unless you pay $60k!

    Really?? At least Exora B-line has one airbag and lotus handling, surely safer!

    You don't have to love Proton, I don't, but I hope Malaysian readers be more objective in reviewing cars in the future, not just bashing and bashing..

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  • tokmoh on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:12 am

    Crash test mana? hehehehehehe……

    In motortrader, unker chips mentioned about Daihatsu doing the crash test, but what about Perodua? The whole paragraph explaining about the safety of Alza contains a lot of questionable claims… without real video or even pics of the Alza (not the passo sette) going through the crash test, I'm not convinced.

    I suppose MPV1 is the Exora? Being the best performer in a/c section is somewhat a giveaway, and HOW the HELL… the Alza is COMPARABLE… to Exora when the figures SHOW… it's just NOT as POWERFUL… nor as COOL as Exora?!?!

    If it's to just be compared to saloons, then it's quite pricey in comparison to proton, but it really is quite an alternative to city and vios.

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  • Yes, better buy premium version. More safety. I will buy next year, wait alza owner comment first…

    Mine, this is a car with big luggage room. 5seater with big luggage room while i hav one baby only. Just like to modified it making more sporty. and put a big speaker between da back like Kia Soul and also 20" dvd/tv player. Fuh~nice.

    My budget only rm70k, buy white solid premiun rm63k++ and another rm6k for modification… waulah~ wait my new alza….Here i come…

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  • kalid on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:16 am

    the design is better than exora.

    my 2 cent.

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  • prolever on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:19 am

    another one. better get Exora if people want to buy the standard alza, better get exora basic, yala, even exora get airbag driver and pretension belt for the driver. even it cost about 2 to 3k more than the standard alza, you get more space and more safety. its also huge and no awkward movement went exit the second row :p

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  • gen2lama on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:19 am

    just came back from showroom….hmmmm…just nice la…

    got one pakcik really angry with me….

    me: exora B line better…almost the same price with the standart…but have 1 airbag…

    pakcik:.mana ada???….u stupid aaa…exora 70 ribu la..

    me:. based line ada…57k only..

    pakcik: mana ada??? (his tagline kot)….kalau ada pakcik beli 10….

    me:…ahahahah (in my heart la)….

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  • chanel on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:25 am

    yet i would say this wouldn't be Exora killer, instead it would spike Exora up…exora fully 7 seater, though under power but the same could be said about alza. only they have better throttle respond than Campro CPS..cz from Toyota ma….

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  • I TEST THIS CAR…BEAUTY…BUT SHOULD NOT IN MPV CLASS…..ITS CAN BE SAY ORDINARY HONDA JAZZ CATEGORY..

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  • Alza..

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  • akupunya on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:31 am

    myvi extended..

    plastik baldi or besen pasar malam?

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  • mantap beb…proton dah goyang ker…abis la exora..

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  • CHAMPION..

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  • not bad…….but too small…….

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  • Prokia on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:36 am

    rubbish. fugly. shit

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  • kennytkl on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:39 am

    yeah…better than p1 alot…

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  • Freddo on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:50 am

    I believe I need an Exora for my family need as I have 6 familay members. Air con is another point which I find it is my priority. Space and comfort too.

    Anyway, I like the front of Alza. Projector lamp. Cool. I like both Exora and Alza but it all depends on ones needs.

    So, let's not bash each other but being a true Malaysian, I just appreciate both well. Keep up the good work for Proton and Perodua.

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  • not bad.. full test drive pls paul tan!

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  • anak dato' kk on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:53 am

    Tq for the review PT. I'll wait for the full test drive report from you

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  • makan makan on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:53 am

    Crash test..?? love to hear response from Littlefire.

    Isofix..was surprise it did not have one since this car is targeted for young family

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  • AwAnG-Gt (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:55 am

    to,i just came back frm p2 showroom and view the new ALZA.the size…too small for me..i sat behind my leg can even comfortable…my view at the dashboard…emmm like airplane co-pit.i mean the auto gear stick..like up and down,u can see those in foker-50.the door trim,also look cheap.p2 should give much more quality and more value for money.price as for me not cheap and reasonable for me.why should i buy alza with the price like that when i just pay a little more to buy exora.bigger and with cps engine..wat i learn the alza dont have pretentional seat belt..at least exora have even at m-line.another thing,the e-brek.hayooo…at the leg..if my wife drove those i must ready a pillow to save my self frm breaking the front pannel…i think not suitable for normal driver..i mean plp which already get use with the e-brek in the middle consel..i guess if 7 plp seat in there sure the rear wheel tengelam inside…hopefully tomolo can test drive…just now the sale plp dont allow for test drive…ok….good luck p2

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  • bmpower on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:56 am

    After reading all paul's writeup.. 1 word : IT's a boring car.

    And all over the Specification Tables above,

    Exora won all . handover!

    No Teh Tarik hook kah paul?

    Important thing… Where's the real Alza crash test!

    we were talking about Malaysian life here!.

    *somebody, tomorrow if you go to p2 showroom… please do check how tiny the bar behind the front bumper . Is it as small as viva had one?

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  • Steve on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:57 am

    Good detail review on this P2 new launced , Alza.. Quite like the name.
    This review is driving me to the nearest P2 showroom for a test drive and…
    who knows, may be a booking! Hah!
    Thx Paul. mGBU…

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  • keyboard rosak on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:01 am

    no crash test video?

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  • quadlights on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:03 am

    Same engine with avanza? if it tuned differently or improved in terms of power output im ok with it atleast we know the reliability is there. I dunno bout u guys but for me the biggest problem is the name…. why 'Alza' laaa

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  • Nice…really nice…

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  • JACK HAMMER on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:10 am

    Paul called it 'wagon' lah..

    After all this time, we're waiting for a perotua MPV..

    And they give us a 'MyVai wagon'.. Prfthhh..

    A trully Myvi killer.. Hahaha..

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  • hey not bad for the price you fork out. although i would go for the livina if you had the budget.

    for those who usually drive 5 and occasionally need the space or family trip, i say this is a pretty good choice!

    other news. forte price is out! 81.8k for the 1.6 premium version. with push button start and smart entry!!!!damn!

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  • Derrick on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:11 am

    Wah! Great! Pretty!

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  • run budget on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:12 am

    for the first sight, i'm not impressed. but it could be got unexpected demand (pisang goreng panas) since it slide on the road. likes myvi, most ppl condemned about front part for the first time. but the almost that ppl also bought it right now. for me, alza more sportier than exora, and more economical if regarding to the size. anyway, p1! go for your effort and development, i'm still waiting a new sedan from you!

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  • irfandanish on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:12 am

    nice car…not mpv lah…

    but a bit expensive.

    will contender with own myvi/persona/vios

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  • Tiadaid on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:12 am

    A lot have been said about the absence of ISOFIX points on most Malaysian cars, but none have addressed the fact that an ISOFIX child seat cost a lot! Just go take a look at a Toys r'Us and you'll see. RM 400+ is the norm for one seat. If the guy have three children, that's RM 1200 on car seats that is of no use once the kid grows up. No wonder people don't care about the lack of ISOFIX, or even know what an ISOFIX is! We need to get the child seat prices down before we can talk about ISOFIX…

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  • should had used this design as a new myvi. and the front lights looks exactly like the ones on the hyundai genesis coupe.

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  • humaizi on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:22 am

    not a competitor to exora in term of size, but to grand livina. perhaps, the price difference is at exora's range, that's why people keep comparing between both.

    however, from the first look, i fell in love with Alza, unfortunately, I am driving Sylphy and perhaps my wife should change her kelisa to Alza…

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  • subhero on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:23 am

    projector light?.. is it xenon light like CPS waja?

    look at alza commercial iklan.

    nice la.. gear knob .. y dont use like new vios style?..

    depan?.. better myvi

    belakan?.. better myvi

    inside?.. better exora

    overall?.. better my car.. haha

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  • whystereo on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:27 am

    naaah…

    i really agree with paultan saying this is a competitor to waja/persona…

    its a sedan with a big-flat butt…

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  • shawal on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:29 am

    Alza is spanish for sunrise, its cool ,

    3 years in the making, great effort from perodua, to be honest, if you could have only 1 car , this prolly wouldnt hurt…, its not as high or as ugly as an avanza…,, and BRILLIIANT touches of compartments inside, it wouldnt be a car for the people with no cupholders , and detachable headrest for 3rd row and compartment, well thought out car, yep ,

    Manual will save fuel for sure , plus more compartments , hopefully they'll manage to put the CR-V armrest into production soon

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  • so bad! macam Exora

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  • Automotive_Critics on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:31 am

    Just dropped by to Putrajaya Showroom this evening. I approach a saleswoman asking for pamphlete. She said, pakcik must fill in your name to get the pamphlete becoz we control it for survey. ??

    My view was direct to 1.5 AT premium Solid White. Exterior looks very nice with bodykit. It could give Honda a run for its money to 1.5l Jazz. Overall I could say a very compact looking exterior.

    The interior in the first hand feel better fittings all around than Proton cars. Driving position and sitting height also very good for long journey without stiff and tiring. I like sofa-style seating position in this car that really relax.

    Alza is just car like wagon not MPV. It just nice with family with 4 kids where the youngest probably 3-4years old can be seated in third row. Just nice but the problem only its price. In Japan boon luminas with much higher spec 6 airbags just sells at RM44K. Here superbasic at RM57K. Development cost is lesser than P1. Why sells that high? The authority should really looks on this scam wannabe by Japan.So many profit aa i guess more than RM20K/unit. WOW this year P2 engineer will get 5month bonus.

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  • Went to the showroom just now, frankly spoken, I'm quite impressive with the work done, despite it was derived from the Toyota Passo model.. But I'm glad to say that Perodua actually did a very good job for the MPV. Being says so, the shape of Alza(Avanza- -?) was perfectly trimmed compared to Proton Ezora(Darm bulky). Of course, there is a payoff, I was a little disappointed with the leg space for the passenger seats(both front and back).. I can barely move my leg when I was fitted into it. Well, the back part, I even need to twist my leg into 'z' shape to squeeze myself into it. How sad was that, and I am only size M for God sake..

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  • mockviper (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:39 am

    er6n said, mantap beb…proton dah goyang ker…abis la exora..

    ——>>

    ko ni, memalukan owner ER6N je ngan statement tuh… apa yg habis exora? habis stock ke? sbb byk sgt demand? haha..

    —————-

    kennytkl said, yeah…better than p1 alot…

    ——>>

    you should elaborate more, in what terms that it is better than p1?

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  • mockviper (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:40 am

    makan makan said, Crash test..?? love to hear response from Littlefire.

    Isofix..was surprise it did not have one since this car is targeted for young family

    ——>>

    they only have one picture that they dare to publish.. no video footage, no result…

    here it is http://paultan.org/photo/Perodua-Alza-Engine-and-…
    and here's how your ALZA will behave, standard spec vs premium spec:
    http://paultan.org/photo/Perodua-Alza-Engine-and-…
    without ABS+EBD your standard spec ALZA will crash into the cone or in real life tree, people, cat, dog, car, bike etc…, with ALZA PREMIUM youre safe, at least you wont hit them.

    without EBD, your ALZA standard spec will have rear wheel lock, thus your car will spin while on ALZA Premium your brake force is automatically adjust between front and back, no wheel lock or spin.

    —————-

    quadlights said, Same engine with avanza? if it tuned differently or improved in terms of power output im ok with it atleast we know the reliability is there. I dunno bout u guys but for me the biggest problem is the name…. why ‘Alza’ laaa

    ——>>

    same engine, different config and diff output (lower).

    ALZA, since theyve been to spain and learned how to speak spanish recently.. sexy latinas…

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  • Hi Paul

    Great post! Have a few question and hope u can help

    1. is the power steering electric?

    2. did the stronger AC blower translate into more noise inside cabin?

    3. can u comment on sound proofing performance on highway?

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  • Anyone wanna sell your relatively new Myvi (to trade with this new mpv) with good price just let me know. Thank you

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    • NOOR RAHMAN on Jun 04, 2010 at 5:29 pm

      i am interested. look forward to your reply. 0122795315

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  • shawal on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:46 am

    1 note worth mentioning, from outside, it doesnt look cheap like most national cars , especially in purple, even in white, it looks like a modern japanese car with modern line, even if its a 'sort-of ova rebadge' jap car, but knowing our own engys are putting a bit of their input, plus built in and by malaysian, this car should do us proud, very much indeed….

    It is an extended myvi , but, who drives around 7 people all the time, and even if so, in that arrangement , i doubt 7 people at the same time would want to go sumwhere and gt groceries. Its either shopping or visiting families , or frens going to cybercafes for LAN parties…, this car nails its target

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  • Littlefire on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:47 am

    Wow… This MPV really trump on those P1 supporter for sure will bash it's engine performance and handling..

    By reading the view by Paul, i would like to say that P2 have improved a lot for their handling and design. Nice said paul, that the design even trumped the Japs! Haha..

    Going to see lots of Perodua MPV on the road for the next few weeks..

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  • Tiu the Proton on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:48 am

    BORING!!!

    GET A LIFE WITH REAL CAR PLS……..

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  • samsudinaffendi on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:50 am

    NICE…COOL….STYLISH…PASSION…tip top for front side, right & left side interior & exterior MPV. But limited space interior at rear MPV…cannot carried more BEG BALIK KAMPUNG… Huhu…

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  • this machine will kill myvi sales i thought..not exora sales..hahahaha..exora will be the winner!

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  • Littlefire on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:52 am

    Besides that, by having a good interior design. It prove that even without a 3rd row air-con, you still have good ventilation.

    More bigger & extra blower, means more energy to waste. I think this Alza prove that air-con vents more doesn't mean that it is efficient. Alza really proved a lot to another competitor.

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  • sick&tired on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:00 am

    BORING!!!!

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  • volks2 on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:01 am

    very expensive car!!!

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  • gigi gan on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:01 am

    the colour is very special…. espiacialy classy purple . The looks oso ok , it looks like myvi 2….that's a great car

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  • aiman_077 (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:07 am

    this P2 machine surely will kill myvi sales..not exora sales..haha..

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  • MazdaAstina on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:08 am

    might consider if i dun get an estima!

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  • looks like many myvi owners will convert to this front clip & lights afterwards haha :P

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  • damak on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:21 am

    nice. perfect for small or young family, since back seat is just for kids.. i'm driving santa fe 5+2 seater.. and the kids just want to play at the back.. (with back seat folded down..)

    wondering what is toyota plan for avanza, since alza and avanza is more or less the same category..

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  • Bas Kilang ALZA on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:25 am

    Myvi – car with small bonnet…
    Alza – Mpw so called mpv with small bonnet..

    The problems with peroldua..they love small bonnet.. and also they love to use small spare tyres since viva.. how come JPJ approve that tyre huh??

    i will say no to peroldua models, except they come with their own design….
    this so called mpv got a lot of safety issue didnt solve by peroldua…

    in peroldua brochure, peroldua already cheat people by giving wrong dimension compared to its competitors…
    peroldua just want money, but not build the technology..

    i think this peroldua mpiwi will become failure liku rusa and NAutica…
    This alza is most suitable to become bas kilang..to angkut labour everyday to kilang…

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  • athlonium on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:28 am

    better buy exora b-line (full 7 seater, more safer and strong chasis (4 star MyVap + and the prove video search on youtube), 1.6 CPS engine, although no ABS +EBD got 1 airbag, big space, nice design exterior, nice design interior) rm57k …

    while perodua alza ( 5 seater + 2 hobbits with "no legs", 100 plus tin chasis (mati cepat), 1.5 engine, no airbag at all, no ABS+EBD too, small space, cramp legroom and headroom), bad plastic (the grey plastic looks so cheap no texture at all) for rm55k (are u kidding me???)

    however its your choice….

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  • mystvearn on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:29 am

    So what you say is, Get this, ditch the Myvi, to fit in 5 people. The 7 people is just for show and in theory will work, but in practice, no adult wants to sit at the last row.

    Also, I'm seeing 3rd row fatigue when you drive long hours like those balik kampung trips. You forgot to mention how is luggage space with the 3rd row up. I'm guessing none, since you can barely fit 2 people's luggage when 3rd row is up. Looks like people need to hold their luggage while balik kampung.

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  • welcome ALZA…better vehicle fitting quality compare to previous P2 models. special thanks to elit team aka QRE for their support in ensuring the fitting quality (body, exterior and interior) meets customer satisfaction.

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  • Bas Kilang ALZA on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:30 am

    So many comments asking peroldua to show their MPiWi crash test..but they afraid to show it…

    My assumption that this MPiWi is totally Tin Milo is true…
    paul, u should try to crash test the MPiWi actually…

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  • ommph on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:33 am

    Wait, i thought they said Alza is an MPV. haha..good joke Perodua.

    You had me there.

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  • WIWIW on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:34 am

    saga air con is strong but noisy if u turn to 3 and above…. but ussually at 2, it will be cool enough for the whole car.

    em… dont know how noisy is when the air con at full swing to make the ppl at the back feel cool? any comment?

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  • Bas Kilang ALZA on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:36 am

    i heard TV3 said peroldua spent RM300 million to create this MPiWi…

    Bullsh*T…. big liar… exora from scratch until become a MPV only rm450million..

    how come this happen?? RM300 million cannot believe…
    maybe they use to visit Japan every weeks to test Passo Sette..

    i like this ALZA??? NO WAY…
    this car same par with Viva… Peroldua should overcome with ViVa Panjang next time..i will buy it..confirm..but not the car..only side mirror…

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  • nabil on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:41 am

    i get the feeling alot of ex myvi owners will get this….sting bigger n more frash…and i tink u will see a rise in 2nd hand myvis in 2nd hand car dealers…

    dono why i cant like this car…thrs noting dramatically wrong with it…bt u kinda know in no time its gonna be everywer…and another myvi-ish boring yoan will occure

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  • Alza the MpiWi on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:42 am

    i heard TV3 said peroldua spent RM300 million to create this MPiWi…

    Bullsh*T…. big liar… exora from scratch until become a MPV only rm450million..

    how come this happen?? RM300 million cannot believe…
    maybe they use to visit Japan every weeks to test Passo Sette..

    i like this ALZA??? NO WAY…
    this car same par with Viva… Peroldua should overcome with ViVa Panjang next time..i will buy it..confirm..but not the car..only side mirror…

    BALIK KAMPUNG..BARANG KENA RIBA… kereta juga MpiWi

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  • Mr little fire, as paul mention, this mpv also underpower eventhough only 5 people on board. just imagine with 7 people up to genting (as p1 basher always says about exora).
    as for throttle response, yes it is better because cps use drive-by-wire throttle (it has throttle lag, i believe so many times being eaplain by many people) versus conventional (outdated maybe) cable throttle (without throttle lag).
    i believe the fair review is exora manual m-line versus alza manual premium (since throttle lag significantly reduced for exora, so u shud start test 7 people on board up to genting Paul, see whose the winner.)

    and since ur comments is too short on isofix, i hope Paul, u asked the p2 engineer or toyota engineer on the isofix, why they neglect it and u shud comments a lot about p2 ignorant of leaving this mpv without isofix since u really mad at proton because of isofix, how can u forgive perodua, its not fair right, Paul.

    ok, it is a nice mpv, and it shud fair with persona enhancement next year. let see whose the better.

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  • kobeng on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:47 am

    haiyaa… you guys who said this is plastic baldi laa.. besen laaa.. tin milo laaa..
    why don't you guys build your own car at your own backyard maa… if you don't have money to buy this car just said so maa.. hahaha

    good effort maa by perodua

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  • emmm…. just to say it look like widened and lengthened Viva :-), anyway thumbs up to Perodua.

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  • mytouch (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:58 am

    coldfusion said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

    Nice one. Been waiting awhile for this already. Its about time. This just might be an Exora-killer.
    _____________________________________________________________________________
    Exora killer? No way dude. Yeap,although this Alza is quite pretty & good looking, but in terms of spacious, Exora is far more better. I agreed with most of the readers that this car is only can be consider as a wagon type sedan car…

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  • Manage to drop by at Perodua showroom on my way back from office. The first thing came accross in my mind was….WOW….great look and cuunn laaa. But after reading PT's review, I had a 2nd thought to owned this so called MPV. After done some basic research on my future MPV (planning to own one), well sadly ALZA had more drawback compared to the EXORA. I do agree with PT's comments, to compare EXORA vs ALZA is not comparing apple to apple. Not in its class.

    Emmm…its looks like EXORA still in the 1st list. Can't wait PT's review on the fuel consumption, performance and others that had not covered in his review.

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  • MyDear on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:08 am

    For those people who want to buy auto for the first time (before this always ride manual only), better dont use this car as ur first auto car. Dangerous.. ;)

    Yup, agree with paul. This car is not suitable for people who want to use it as 7-seater. Even for balik kampung (KL-Seremban) i think u shud think twice. Cannot put baggage for 7 people. Must use Thule at the roof.

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  • redxdevil on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:10 am

    The exterior looks good.

    But as suspected, P2 will always be skimpy on the specs..

    The interior plastic looks very cheap, even compared to P1, but have to see first hand.

    Hmm.. I read about the Exora B-line previously and many people complained on it being just a ‘body with engine’, not safe, bla bla..

    Let see how you describe this Alza?? lol! Simply overpriced!

    No safety features whatsoever unless you pay $60k!

    Really?? At least Exora B-line has one airbag and lotus handling, surely safer!

    You don’t have to love Proton, I don’t, but I hope Malaysian readers be more objective in reviewing cars in the future, not just bashing and bashing..

    ==========================================

    ppl seem doesnt realize that P2 always make an overpriced car!

    i dont own a proton cars but i still think most proton model are FAR worth for your money. higher cc, better tech. bla..bla.. btw good luck all p2 buyers

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  • lolypop (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:12 am

    almost same size as Livina (5 seater> Not Grand Livina), and squeezing 3rd row seat as an alternative to call it "MPVVVVV".. for those don't like the 3rd row, perhaps another strip down version in future.. or change it with ABS/airbag for standard version..

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  • p2 suvcks on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:14 am

    from paul tan

    ". To me, this isn’t an Exora competitor

    but more of a Persona/Waja competitor."

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  • dey apikecik… klu dah suka tu,semua benda nampak bagus dan bermakna @dibaguskan dan diberi makna. haha.

    -not sure if any1 here understand me. dun care!

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  • Now it's the direct fight to Honda Jazz, no more Exora huh?

    Still, i choose Jazz, coz i have $$.

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  • tiwasok (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:23 am

    Just got back from Perodua showroom. It was pack even in this late hour.

    I was curious to why Paul said that this is more of a wagon than an MPV..

    After seeing it myself, yup, it's not an MPV.

    The 3rd row seat was….flat.. I definitely would not want to sit there.

    And the body was quite…how do I put it, 'press-able'? Try pressing it with your thumb. You'll understand what I meant. Thin. It gave me a Viva feeling.

    It does look sporty. But as an MPV? It doesn't belong in that segment.

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  • Rrrrr on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:24 am

    Good enough cooling for 3rd row?? How about 1st row… SEJUK GILER….

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  • Ey_3AT (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:24 am

    In my opinion, Alza looks like a car (A Stretch Myvi).. not an MPV.. btw, the price is quite affordable.. :-)

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  • mockviper (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:26 am

    Littlefire said,

    Besides that, by having a good interior design. It prove that even without a 3rd row air-con, you still have good ventilation.

    More bigger & extra blower, means more energy to waste. I think this Alza prove that air-con vents more doesn’t mean that it is efficient. Alza really proved a lot to another competitor.

    ——>>

    are you serious? since ALZA doesnt comes with rear air cond vents that it is good? did you know that they just want to cut down their cost? when it comes to other competitors, im sure u will make it an issue.. it proves that someone will suck up everything that P2 throws at them.. :) blindly…

    more vents doesnt mean more energy waste, less vents? yes.. they need to operate their air cond at maximum performance, full speed to make sure that the cold air are spread all over the car. with more vents, you dont have to operate it at maximum performance to reach efficient result.. think about it…

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  • painsama on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:27 am

    As a P2 hater, I'd say this one looks surprisingly good to me.

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  • January on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:27 am

    Who goes around with 7 mid-sized adults always. Good layout for family-man with some small kids. Good for family man with lots of luggage (3rd seats folded). Don't need 2 cars, just one Alza. Exora is an out-and-out MPV, Alza is a smart car not an MPV. If you are a taxi operator or a tour guide, an Exora is your choice. But for the time-being the Alza is for the timid, kiasu family man who makes just enough to go to PD once in a while. Alza is both Myvi and Exora killer. Probably even Persona, Vios and City too?

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  • Car Joke on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:27 am

    Pergi Spore – how to seat in 3rd row ! Sampai sana kaki CACAT

    Kalau accident, 3rd row – HABIS penyek !

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  • Ey_3AT (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:27 am

    In my opinion, Alza looks like a car (a stretch Myvi which comes with a different style).. it is not an MPV.. btw, the price is quite affordable.. :-)

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  • GeramHati on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:31 am

    tak payah cakap apa apa sini, tengok sales nanti tahu siapa jadi sojai lor.

    Memang exora besar dan berenjin 1.6 tapi berat 1400++kg

    Memang Alza kecil tapi cukup for 1.5 berat 1150kg

    100 cc untuk bergerak 290KG? Tengok sudah tahu lah april sampai sekarang exora sukar dijumpai. katanya sudah jual lebih dari10K wakakakkakakakak

    tipu diri sendiri.

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  • tikus (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:32 am

    Why call Alza in Spanish, They should call it "Naik" in Bahasa to show support in Our Mother Bahasa .

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  • bmpower on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:33 am

    Paul ! Did they do test Genting climb? Like SZ of P1 do?

    " My friend said, they tested 2 unit Alza on genting, but you know what? Their engine is blow just near Aminudin Baki entrance hahaha! , The other one only reach Awana resort only. Not top of genting. hahahaha some more "

    – ps / hint.. the phase quote above is just like what p1 basher always do = they pretend they a tester/owner of the car etc to make people believe what they do. :D

    SURELY, THIS ONE UNDERPOWER cannot climb to Genting!. If you dare to lose your gearbox and engine, try lah.

    CRASH TEST? their crash test video on the way btw.. " my insider friend told, they hiring a 3D designer to make a fake crash test video BTW…. "

    – ps/ in quote again. :D

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  • TopGear on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:34 am

    What the hell is this ?

    Perodua given MPV a new name today

    MPV – My Pathetic Vehicle

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  • I definitively go fro Exora! More space and power. want more power wait till p1 introduce 18/2.0 engine..

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  • alansmithz (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:43 am

    Alza will steal Myvi, Persona, Waja, Livina, Jazz & not to forget Exora sale.

    Here is the advantage of Alza as compare to Exora:

    1) Better power to weight ratio than Exora (Exora 272kg heavier!!)

    2) Due to it's compact size. suitable for housewife who dread driving/parking a monster like Exora:)

    3) Suitable for guy who can use it for daily office trip & weekend hanging out with family or friends. I am sure the fuel consumption when drive alone is almost like those who drive Waja!!

    If u have 7 grown up family members who still live together in the same house, go buy Exora!!

    If u are a housewife with kids, who dread parking a monster size mpv (i.e Exora, Chery Eastar etc) , then Alza is not bad:)

    For guy who drive like a racer, Exora boleh?!?

    For guy who hate driving behind big car (i.e lorry, big mpv & bus) but prefer a smaller car that come with higher driving position, Alza is ok:) Exora also ok:)

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  • Engineer on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:46 am

    I was at the Shah Alam showroom just now. It was packed like sardin can. paultan.org definitely is a better place to view the car. Thanks for Paul to have this website and some brief review.

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  • GeramHati on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:51 am

    ya longer version of Myvi or Viva. so what lebih cantik dari banyak kereta –

    like the Tai Kow Sui . 1.6 tak cukup power sampai nak turbo…

    For those who bought exora, gen2…sorry lah kena rugi abit wakakakkakakkakakkakaka

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  • mat tongkol on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:54 am

    compare to lorry is better lorry la…lg luas….. nak njin power beli ferari ker….

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  • redxdevil on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:56 am

    alza is totally rubbish.

    if u wan drive like sedan then buy persona

    if u wan space then go for exora

    if u wan power then go for gen2

    btw

    if u are girls then buy myvi

    if u are dun care about wasting money on mpv look a like then buy alza

    peace

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  • come on ar..p2 dont have their own design…bullshit ar..what kind the design follow other's model..kasi ar pening sikit pikir model/design baru..jgn ar amik design Daihatsu@Toyota…mendalah…2 sent

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  • mduan on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:14 am

    BMPower said ..

    Paul ! Did they do test Genting climb? Like SZ of P1 do?

    ” My friend said, they tested 2 unit Alza on genting, but you know what? Their engine is blow just near Aminudin Baki entrance hahaha! , The other one only reach Awana resort only. Not top of genting. hahahaha some more ”

    – ps / hint.. the phase quote above is just like what p1 basher always do = they pretend they a tester/owner of the car etc to make people believe what they do. :D

    SURELY, THIS ONE UNDERPOWER cannot climb to Genting!. If you dare to lose your gearbox and engine, try lah.

    CRASH TEST? their crash test video on the way btw.. ” my insider friend told, they hiring a 3D designer to make a fake crash test video BTW…. ”

    – ps/ in quote again. :D

    —————————————————————

    Well said BMPower. It reminds me the way how bashers bash P1 and pretend that they have insiders who tested exora.. haha

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  • Tiadaid on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:34 am

    GeramHati said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 11:31 pm

    100 cc untuk bergerak 290KG? Tengok sudah tahu lah april sampai sekarang exora sukar dijumpai. katanya sudah jual lebih dari10K wakakakkakakakak

    tipu diri sendiri.

    —————————-

    Duduk kat pedalaman Sabah ke? Kat KL ni dah berlambak Exora atas jalan, ape yang sukar dijumpainya?

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  • just visited the showroom just now… i have to say that Exora is much better than Alza in terms of Built quality and space… But i prefer Alza interior design… And also the dash board air cond dial is a little flimsy to be frank… and also the door seems like there's no sound proof pading in it because when i sit int he car, someone else knock on the door from outside and i can hear very hollow sound… Unlike exora, they have sound proof padding all over the doors…

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  • Hindun Ariffin on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:42 am

    For those who are stupid about MPV ..get out and move away….don't view or touch the vehical…you only kutuk and kutuk and then bikin stupid story of orang malaysia.P2 is a bussiness minded..$$$$$ and do everything…..the money is on your hands….otak you gunakan…lah…why bodoh sangat….balik indon lah….????????he…he…..he…he….

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  • Hindun Ariffin on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:46 am

    u people don't know anything lah…just buy …rosak g repair…sc banyak…

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  • libralcl on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:46 am

    I saw the door handler inside is with chrome finish (Premium model)? Or it just grey/silver colour handler?

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  • Cheong on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:54 am

    A very sad day for me as one of P2 legion of hardcore supporter indeed..

    Alza better design than exora my foot!!

    This alza is nothing more than a stretch myvi!! Kinda remind me of a higher kancil called kembara. Come on la perodua, i expect you to do better than this! At least try to be better than the shitty P1 la!! P2 certainly wasted hundreds of millions RM just to copy the toyota passo sette design and simply plonk in the old avanza engine and walla only this ugly looking car with cheapo plastic material you can come out with???? I really had wasted my bloody time waiting for the launch of P2 MPV with high hope but can only get this underpowered and very expensive car with such minimal or no safety feature at all! DAMN! I'm really pissed off! P2 really disappoint me big time!! As much as I hate P1, P2 is definitely going down the drain with this kind of direction.

    FFS please sack the current P2 CEO and bring back Syed Zainal Abidin to P2 at all cost!! Very disappointing!!!

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  • dawsoN on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:55 am

    first look…very nice mpv..oppss car.second look..its just a normal car and very similar with myvi but slightly longger..i prefer exora premium ,come with full leather seat some more.but my caldina gt-4 still the best…awesome!!

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  • saw the car at klcc convention centre. the advanced model cost extra 6k compare with premium but personally i don't think it worth the value. premium model should be the best choice to purchase.

    rather than that, the car looks fine. the only short coming is as paul said, the luggage space is too small. need to sacrify the 3rd row of the seat.

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  • kerelbort on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:02 am

    P2 shud really market it as a 7 seater wagon than an MPV… and start his own market..

    good that they have lotsa cup holder. a big must in a car who turn out ambitious enuff to be an MPV…

    look nicer than their Japanese counterpart… quality wise can't compare it yet… from the diagram look like the reinforcement are done more on the side, actually can't understand that much? what does that yellow and blue colored steel means? does it means anything or just a colorful presentation of the car itself?

    any reinforcement in the door itself?

    nice design from P2… and 300mil is because P2 involve from the start of the project…

    nice to see continuity of myvi to alza… P2 must try hard to create its own identity

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  • Desmond Ho on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:08 am

    Nice 1 !!!

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  • Murugesan on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:11 am

    BORING + UGLY + CRAMPED + EXPENSIVE + DANGEROUS = STUPID ALZA + OWNERS

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  • Murugesan on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:11 am

    BORING + UGLY + CRAMPED + EXPENSIVE + DANGEROUS = STUPID ALZA + ALZA OWNERS + P2 TEAM

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  • Maserati on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:11 am

    Idiots.Alza will still triumph in term of sales.This is no doubt!

    How come got so many ppl asking for crash test? Is that the best you guys can come up with?!!

    Why,Alza is too nice until the best you can come up with is "SHOW ME THE CRASH TEST"?

    Ran out of ideas to bash P2 already? NOOBS!

    OBTW,to proton fans out there,I dont think your stupid proton cars have crash test.The best oso 3 star for Waja if i not mistaken.Exora 4 stars?But weird,you guys seem to be driving like Bas3rds on the road…hmmmmm…

    Neo crash test how many stars?!! Is there even a crash test on this piece of junk?!

    Whether or not got crash test ,if I give you a 5 star rating car,if you are an ASSHOLE on the road,you will still die ,get it? Sore losers..

    Proton ,wake up and stop making cars that will benefit the hardcore racers in the country with all those stupid LOTUS engineering bullcrap.

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  • Murugesan on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:15 am

    BORING + UGLY + CRAMPED + EXPENSIVE + DANGEROUS = STUPID ALZA + OWNERS + P2 LAZY TEAM

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  • bobtahar (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:16 am

    Its now way an MPV… somehow feel like P2 "tangkap muat" the 3rd row… if to have the 3rd row always fold down… where to put/throw the headrest? I believe Toyota sette dont have head rest for the 3rd row. You have to "bersila" if you sit in 3rd row.

    No aircond vents at the back???? Good circulation is not good if you have the driver who "tak tahan" sejuk….

    But I like the design….

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  • irnik on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:18 am

    after reading this review, one thing strikes up my mind…

    but i waited to finish reading the comments first (to see if anyone has the same thought as mine)…

    aren't the wheels look small for its body? (as what i think of viva for its wheels)

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  • harmza on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:20 am

    tak payah cakap apa apa sini, tengok sales nanti tahu siapa jadi sojai lor.

    Memang exora besar dan berenjin 1.6 tapi berat 1400++kg

    Memang Alza kecil tapi cukup for 1.5 berat 1150kg

    100 cc untuk bergerak 290KG? Tengok sudah tahu lah april sampai sekarang exora sukar dijumpai. katanya sudah jual lebih dari10K wakakakkakakakak

    tipu diri sendiri.

    ——————————————–

    did u live at rural area or island? every road at malaysian can see the exora.

    do you blind or blinders? ha ha ha

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  • skiborne on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:23 am

    i think i saw a difference between auto and manual version, of course da transmission, then the parking brake, with auto ull get the "kaki" type rather than other msian cars' conventional parking brake that must be operated using ur hand.

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  • tiwasok on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:24 am

    kerelbort said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 1:02 am

    nice design from P2… and 300million is because P2 involve from the start of the project…

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    What? 300mil because P2 was involved from the start of the project?

    What project? designing bumper? And that cost 300million? It's not even a new engine. Just an old Avanza's engine with minor mod which actually result in lower power compared to Avanza.

    And it cost 300 million?

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  • lanpapalan on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:31 am

    anytime exora m over all specs.

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  • Car, mpv, wagon,hearse,ambulance,…LOL whatever it is!

    Yeah agreed, it looks nice BUT let me ask you this Perodua.

    Is this your very OWN 100% in house design and development?

    No, I don't think so. I can only see about 8% of yours here with this thing..

    What, you still can't create your own design because you afraid it will go ugly? Afraid that your company will go kaput, like Proton almost did? Are you out of your damn idea? Come on lah Perodua, GROW UP, Please!

    Yes you can still rely on Toyota and Daihatsu, but like I said since long time ago, come up with something almost different on the outside! At your current technology, is it something really hard thing to do?

    I'm still consider this thing as an import rather than in country development…

    It's a shame, seriously.

    Sad…am I supposed to be proud with our so-called Malaysian auto maker? :(

    I think I cannot.

    Sorry Perodua, I'm still not proud with you.

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  • Tiadaid said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 12:34 am

    GeramHati said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 11:31 pm

    100 cc untuk bergerak 290KG? Tengok sudah tahu lah april sampai sekarang exora sukar dijumpai. katanya sudah jual lebih dari10K wakakakkakakakak

    tipu diri sendiri.

    ——-

    perodua nautica lg susah nak jumpa….hehehe….

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  • malaysian car like rubbish!

    money from rakyat no 1!

    quality for rakyat no 10!

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  • person on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:41 am

    (1)

    "Just buy the Premium version to make sure you get all the necessary safety equipment. But if you are looking for an alternative to the Exora or any other MPV, you’ll have to think twice if you need it to fit 7 adults."

    YEP….U MUST BUY PREMIUM TO GET ALL SAFETY EQUIPMENT.

    AND IF AN MPV CANNOT FIT 7 ADULTS,..JUST GO BUY CHEAPER CAR laaa..

    ____

    (2)

    EXORA got this crash test which paul review in before at

    > http://paultan.org/2009/04/17/proton-exora-crash-…

    but where the hell is ALZA crash test?

    if you got your mum,dad,brother,sister,girlfriend,and bla3 inside your tin milo, it would be soooooo damn bad.

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  • JACK HAMMER on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:47 am

    to proton basher..

    please comment about basic Alza safety features:

    No ABS

    No EBD

    No SRS airbags

    No this

    & no that..

    basher sure bash kaw-kaw to basic exora (which has better features than this stupid Alza)

    suddenly when it come to P2 'ripoff wagon' they said..

    Nice! Superb! CHAMPION!… prfffft…

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  • kutuberahak on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:53 am

    kete ni macam ketam jer…masuk dalam jadi sardin, 104hp nk bwk 7 org??! aku punya lovely exora 125hp pun meraung naik genting mgu lps tapi blh lambai livina le sbb livina tak pakai livita!!ni pulak 104hp. anyway yr money yr choice..

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  • NoNoP2 on Nov 24, 2009 at 10:02 am

    for sure P2 gain huge profit for each sale of this toyota car.

    damn!

    btw, 300mil for this car's development??? P2 used that much for front/rear bumpers & headlamp development?? crazy..

    maybe half of it is used for travelling purpose..so all the P2 'Engine Nears' can go holiday around OSAKA & KOBE

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  • REBADGE on Nov 24, 2009 at 10:19 am

    its a rebadge car. nothing to be proud of. 300juta for the cars development is a joke. should be rm30, buy p2 badge at Brothers.

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  • here in M'sia we pay up to RM70k/US20k for a rebadged matchbox car, and many would say its 'very affordable'. P2 boss said the car is 90% M'sian, so is the engine assembled here? with local components?. Third world income but cars a 3 time the actual price..what is going on man!!??

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  • matvtec (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 10:47 am

    Good looking albeit another rebadged Toyota offered by Perodua.Anyway I have to agree with Paul-this is not an MPV, more like a wagon. 3rd row useful only when direly needed otherwise it is better to remain as a 5-seater. Practicality and space-Exora is much better(except poor engine choice). BTW between Alza and Exora-it is better not to compare 'like to like' because between these two-only buyer's need and affordability will determine his/her choice plus what he/she will be getting for something below RM70K. And I dare Perodua to produce something of their own(no more rebadging or cloning)…Tuan Syed Proton has done that and ORIGINALITY ALWAYS COUNTS..

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  • well i do agree with paul that this car is suited to be more like a wagon than an mpv unless there are only children sitting in the 3rd row.

    BUT look at the price. you are paying 63k for a 5 seater wagon with a 1.5 liter engine? imho that is utter b**lshit. even for the basic specs+no safety equipment of 56k for the manual version is too expensive.

    IMHO for rm55k you could get the proton persona high line. you can get a car with a bigger engine and also comparable(if not more) boot space. Plus better handling.

    I think this car is good for young family with 4 kids or so but not that relevant for people who are looking to upgrade from their myvi and saga. It feels like a car that tries to do too much but then does not excel in becoming an MPV or a sedan replacement. Its just an overpriced japanese copycat…

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  • i dont talk about crash test proton good or bad here.but proton did put the effort in engineering one, sending them off for crash test etc. but no ncap yet.

    RM300 million in RnD ? exora spend RM450 million. what sort of RnD perodua needs here when it is 70-80% engineered by toyota. and it has been proven ok since it has been on the japanese road 1 year ago !

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  • i am not against toyota or perodua usually but their pricing which doesnt involve engineering much but the price is still that high is clearly something disappointing.

    it is a weird positioned car but it is a cheerful car. something like the successor of Nissan Ad Resort.

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  • mengQ on Nov 24, 2009 at 11:24 am

    Just giving my own humble review here, after coming back from Perodua showroom Sri Petaling branch…

    Showroom was full of people even at 10.30pm. I saw 3 variants :

    . The Basic SX Manual – Ebony Black

    . The Premium SXi Auto – Classy Purple

    . The ADV version Auto – Ivory White*with bodykit, GPS and reverse parking camera, leather seats*

    The exterior of the car really catches my eyes, i like it, especially the front. The rear… not so, macam tiba-tiba no more backside.

    Anyway, i don't think people should compare this with Exora, both are in the different 'level'.

    I went straight to the ADV version one(croweded with people), wait for a Uncle before me to get down from the car, then i sat inside. Hey, not bad at all, the steering wheel wrapped in leather, with audio volume and phone answering control buttons on the left spoke. Don't really fancy the look of the steering wheel… macam shape of spanner…

    Other then that…Very nice dashboard design! Better then Exora's design i think.

    The buttons gives very good response, nice feeling pressing it, the dashboard was solid and neat, reminds me of the one in Estima.

    Foot-step leveling parking brake, macam Estima, Alphard, Merz and all =) The gear knob is at the right place and level, feel much more comfortable to operate when the armrest is down. Foot operated-parking brake and gear shift level on instrument panel is only available for Auto, those in manual just look exactly like what Myvi manual has now.

    Seats in leather, kinda comfort for a bigass like me, with seat leveling (only on driver side). Get down from the car…the "THUD" when closing the door comfirm more solid then any other Perodua cars ever made. Trust me, it's much more solid.

    Then i went to the 2nd row of seat, cupholders for the rear passengers was built in to the armrest, with side pocket at the bottom. Im 175cm tall, no problem for me, decent amount of legroom, don't expect a corridor for you to go in and out lah.

    And then i climbed to the 3rd row of seat… Hmm, ok, gotta admit it was a bit hard for me to climb into it, need a little more effort, just like how you climb to the backseat of a Satria Neo, just a little bit higher. Alright, me – 175cm, 75kgs, no problem, can fit another one more 'me' by myside. Legroom? NGAM-NGAM, at least wont sentul the front seat, left a space of 2 inch. Get the picture?

    Next, the boot space… Haha, nothing to be proud of here, with all the seats put right up, you left only half of an empty Myvi boot space, means 13inch depth. School bag boleh letak 4, 5 biji la…

    So, i don't think you can balik kampung with this Alza packed with 7 fully grown adults, cause you won't have any more space left for luggage, unless you 'ta-pau' all your baju in plastic bags lah, haha…

    But, if only 5 person? Yes, just fold down the 3rd row of seat/bench, then you can happy-happy balik kampung without 'ta-pau' all your baju in plastic bags.

    Hey, by the way, the 'bench' isn't that uncomfortable like what some of you guys say la, ok mah, at least got headrest…

    Test drive only available for people who already placed bookings. I 1st tumpang someone other people to be the passenger, then, somehow, i managed to get a chance to drive! =D

    Conclusion after being a passenger + driver :

    SUPERB!

    Power : Very good, with 4, then 6 adults in the car. The car still picks-up from acceleration. Similar like Myvi la, but this one more stable and quiet. Not much noise from engine even when revved to 4000 – 5000rpm. Maybe it's new, thats why.

    Handling & ride : Comfort for both driver & passenger, 3rd row not as bumpy as Avanza, but somehow some might feel the suspensions are too soft?? The car can take small hole easily. Cornering is stable, at least more stable then stock Myvi.

    Dashboard : Nice nice nice design. The blue backlite looks cool.

    There was this guy who tested the car full with 7 person on board says it was great and he still can feel the pick-ups when accelerate, then when straight in to the showroom and place his booking.

    Talk to a few young man and uncles, the feedbacks were 90% positives.

    This concludes my humble review. =)

    * 1030 bookings from all over Malaysia were placed so far after the official launching at 6pm. According to the branch manager.

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  • Remember this Perodua,

    Next time you build something, please came up with something totally different. At least on the exterior. It's ok to have DNA from Toyota or Daihatsu or whatever it is on the inside BUT the most important is your very own body design, different shape whatsoever and not based-on body shape with some minor change. It's for your own identity!!

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  • Giant on Nov 24, 2009 at 11:37 am

    for me, im rather to buy exora compare to this alza. im 120 kg with 190 cm, if i sit at 3rd row of this car what will be happen, consider mpv for big, big, big one. but this "mpv" version look like for small ppl only.

    But for me, good job p2, xleast ppl can compared before their buy mpv. (malaysia car only)..

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  • mockviper (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    lo said,

    i dont talk about crash test proton good or bad here.but proton did put the effort in engineering one, sending them off for crash test etc. but no ncap yet.

    wait until Exora is on sale in Europe, then u will see the result. remember, EURO NCAP conduct test for cars AVAILABLE in their market.

    ——————

    GL3n said,

    Remember this Perodua,

    Next time you build something, please came up with something totally different. At least on the exterior. It’s ok to have DNA from Toyota or Daihatsu or whatever it is on the inside BUT the most important is your very own body design, different shape whatsoever and not based-on body shape with some minor change. It’s for your own identity!!

    Mom T and Dad D didnt give permission for lil junior P2 to change their body shape.. they only allowed Jr P2 to change cloth and put on some bling2.. too much money wasted for a new body shape.. they want money, not charity work.

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  • saki77 on Nov 24, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    Is there anywhere we can find Paul Tan's list of what the basic Alza is lacking of…like what paul did to the basic Exora?…

    eg.. No this…

    No that…

    the list goes on…

    No ABS, EBD…?

    If theres none, i think Paul also bias in his report….also, that kind of report that provoke readers to put some harsh comments on Exora (I'm not a Proton fans, just i think that its not fair writing) thus lead to all the maki-hamun…Also the ISOFIX….not much about that in Alza….

    Sorry Paul, i really, really, really like your blog, but lately somewhere. somewhat it seems to lost it purpose…

    Just my two cents…

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  • zaeidos on Nov 24, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    nice car,

    nice dashboard,

    nice wagon,

    nice 5seater,

    not so nice 7seater,

    see??? premium version only got abs,lol~

    if family of 5,can picnic inside and got spacious bootspace

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  • Paul Tan on Nov 24, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    saki77: Please point out to me what part of my report above is biased or unfair.

    I wasn't trying to provoke anything with the Exora Basic story, I put it that way because it was easier to read, as in what it doesn't have rather than what it has. Don't turn everything into a conspiracy.

    While you are accusing me of provoking people into 'maki' Proton over here, just yesterday there was a another commenter who accused me of having a "deal" with Proton for their products to look good. So which is which, I wonder? Honestly I feel that to most people, any opinion that doesn't agree with theirs is deemed biased.

    I've already made noise once about the importance of ISOFIX in the Exora story. I think readers get it. The fact that you're bringing it up here means that you are now aware of the importance of ISOFIX. So I don't find that repeating myself is necessary. But anyway for your convenience, I have added a reference link to the story.

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  • iwan dani on Nov 24, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    I went to see the car last night. Only the deluded (or those high on designer drug) will see this as an MPV. This is more of a wagon than anything else. However, the P2 salesman who showed me the car tried to angle the Alza as an alterntive to Exora, even when the Alza looks small enough to fit inside the Exora. He kept on bashing the Exora. Bad move: I'm a proud owner of an Exora and knew that whatever he's claiming about the Exora is bullsh*t.

    The wife likes the Alza though. Wife wants a Myvi, but i told her to wait for the Alza first as it my be more practical with the additional space. 1st impression is good. It does look small enough to be easy to drive and park. After years of Kelisa ownership, she prefer things small and the Alza doesn't look that much bigger than our Kelisa. As most of her driving takes place on the NSE and NKVE at 100-115km/h, we reckon that the Alza may even better the Kelisa's fuel consumption (which is already very good).

    Next week we are going for a test drive. That should tell us more.

    We went home concluding that Alza is no match for Exora, Avanza, Citra and Livina. It's much too useless (where space is concerned) to even bother comparing it with 'real' MPVs.

    However, as a poor man's alternative to the Honda Jazz, the Alza is superb (thanks to protectionist tax which favours P2 over Honda)…and that may just clinch the deal or us.

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  • z21 said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 1:36 am

    Tiadaid said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 12:34 am

    GeramHati said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 11:31 pm

    100 cc untuk bergerak 290KG? Tengok sudah tahu lah april sampai sekarang exora sukar dijumpai. katanya sudah jual lebih dari10K wakakakkakakakak

    tipu diri sendiri.

    ko yg menipu diri sendiri…ko nie tak penah kuar dari rumah mane nk jumpa…

    duk dalam umah mcm mak dara…hahahahaha

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  • iwan dani on Nov 24, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    Saki77,

    You're talking through your bottom mouth when you claim Paul Tan is biased. In fact, paultan.org is instrumental in changing my perception of Proton. This is where I go for the latest updates on Proton and Proton should thank Paul for turning me from a Proton basher to a Proton user.

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  • the price is right …

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  • sir s on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    For me, Alza can be call as micro MPV… too small to call MPV, quite large to call a car… If I buy this car, I will consider this car as 5 seater car… I will never use the back seat unless it is necessary…. The back seat I'll flip it to put all the baggage. That's all… Overall, ok laa… nice look but not good for 7 adult people… to cramp… good luck perodua…

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  • biggiebro on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    no teh tarik hook? its a great help on the last trip with exora.

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  • dear all !

    not bad mpv frm P2. But I love my Naza Citra 2.0 coz very comfort,large, powerful engine n etc…….. which I bought 6 months ago.Only rm 60,500 , he smartest buy ever.

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  • Correction

    dear all !

    not bad mpv frm P2. But I love my Naza Citra 2.0 coz very comfort,large, powerful engine n etc…….. which I bought 6 months ago.Only rm 60,500 , the smartest buy ever.

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  • mitlanevo on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Exora rules…

    Paul, just ignore those silly ppl lah, don't waste ur time argue with them…

    ur articles are simply GREAT !!!

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  • ommph on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    For me, Alza can be call as micro MPV… too small to call MPV, quite large to call a car… If I buy this car, I will consider this car as 5 seater car… I will never use the back seat unless it is necessary…. The back seat I’ll flip it to put all the baggage. That’s all… Overall, ok laa… nice look but not good for 7 adult people… to cramp… good luck perodua…

    Otherwise, you can call ALza by the usual term…..A WAGON. hehe

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  • ommph on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    For me, Alza can be call as micro MPV… too small to call MPV, quite large to call a car… If I buy this car, I will consider this car as 5 seater car… I will never use the back seat unless it is necessary…. The back seat I’ll flip it to put all the baggage. That’s all… Overall, ok laa… nice look but not good for 7 adult people… to cramp… good luck perodua…

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Dear Above,

    Otherwise, you can call ALza by the usual term…..A WAGON. hehe

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  • 4G63tDSM on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    I would see it as a Wagon with 2 emergency jump seats. Its still considered an MPV for all intents and purposes.

    Very much like what Toyota positioned the Sette, a 4+2 wagon.

    Seriously, few of us have the need to fill up 7 seats all the time. A smaller vehicle will yeild better overall fuel consumption since at most times, it only has 1 or 2 people. I could see my wife would like something like this as the midsizers have rubbed up as "too large" for her.

    I've been cross shopping between the Rondo, Exora, Recon Wish and even the Eastar. All are good, with thier own flaws. The Rondo with badly designed 2nd row seats, the Exora with an engine not matching its weight and size, and the Wish with the price and future surviceablility.

    This throws a good alternative to the mix.

    I've been waiting to see how this Alza would turn out. I may still decide on the Rondo or Wish but the important thing is, choice is always good.

    But one thing's for sure. How much more could it cost for them to put in ISOFIX points?????? Its just a piece of metal hoop welded to the seat backs.Thats really stupid cost saving measures.Same applies to Naza and Proton. Idiots. These are FAMILY vehicles. Suposely bought so we can "protect" out little precious ones.

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  • nemo88 on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    alza..isn't msian product..p2 just a proxy..

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  • nemo88 on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    alza is'nt msian proud..P2 just a proxy..why local vendor cant give the best quality to P1??

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  • litespeed on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    Paul Tan is not biasedlah. Only the ISOFIX is a bit over the top. The ISOFIX mounts are all fine and dandy, and costs an arm and a leg to develop. However the real issue here is the ISOFIX child seats themselves- they cost a bomb! Last time I check in UK it costs well over 100 quids. Imagine what's the price here. Nothing less than RM2000 I reckon. I mean, for the Proton and Perodua buyer demographics, these buggers would rather buy a kapchai than a fancy ISOFIX child seat. The conventional Sweet Cherry type can be bought at RM100 or less ma…

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  • scottloeb on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    Great car nonetheless. Will steal the market from sedan (esp Persona, Waja, Vios, Forte) and some hatch (Swift, MyVi) and younger potential Exora driver. You'll see young MILF driving this, soccer mums driving Exora. And MILFs always trumps soccermums, rite?

    I'll consider to put my DP for the premium A/T instead of Honda City perhaps.

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  • pakcikbeskal on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Automotive_Critics said,

    "…. Just nice but the problem only its price. In Japan boon luminas with much higher spec 6 airbags just sells at RM44K. Here superbasic at RM57K. Development cost is lesser than P1. Why sells that high? The authority should really looks on this scam wannabe by Japan.So many profit aa i guess more than RM20K/unit. WOW this year P2 engineer will get 5month bonus."

    ya lor! haha. ….that's why lor. extra tax lor… still blind? …people first… haha

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  • morgirls... on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    x lawa doe…………..

    tiru exora …………..

    bengong…produa………

    ade otak x nak pikir……..nak tiru x abis……….

    ceh……bukan lawa sangat pon….alza………….

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  • scottloeb on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    ISOFIX is EU standard. Kita beli Graco, tak dak ISOFIX jugak. Mothercare punya child seat pon still tadak ISOFIX. The best is idiot yg bawak kereta kat highway sambil anak dia duk atas riba pegang steering. Mmg CHAMPION.

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  • learner on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    i think this car is overpriced. with so many 'no' it is priced almost the same with persona h-line which so many 'yes'. 'no' and 'yes' i refer to the availability of the airbag, ABS, etc. of cause either 'no' or 'yes' still got limit for both p1 and p2 (i don't you guys understand what i said or not?).

    comparing alza with exora is not a wise decision if you have many choice of car within the same price bracket, but i malaysia people can change mind from buying sedan to mpv or to hatchback just because they are similarly priced. that is why i think at some extend comparing exora to alza is not really a guilty. just like people comparing myvi with saga with persona which all in different segments but myvi price ranging from saga to persona.

    by looking with b-line exora which become the 'national guilty' in the b-line topic, i think exora is still better than the standard alza because still got the driver airbag and pre-tensioner belts even though a few rm higher than alza but in term of the size, that price different is justified.

    some how i think saga se with driver airbag and driver and front passenger pre-tensioner belts priced at rm42 to rm45k is better than the overpriced standard alza. sorry by comparing orange to apple, but as many forumers said, alza is not really a mpv, even PT said this is more like sedan competitor.

    what i can see, the launching of alza only give pain to the heart of current myvi owners as they may think that alza is better than myvi. i think if this is true, alza will jeopardize its own 'family members'.

    please don't bash me, i don't use any fault language here, just my opinion.

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  • ahmad on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    pilihan yang bijak utk mereka yang punyai 4 orang anak..

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  • kakibangku on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    1 question…..where the spare tyre…..inside???

    answer….no…it's under………..huahahaha …macam van!!

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  • mpv besaq untuk orang berduit banyak

    mpv kecik (Alza) untuk orang berduit sikit….tapi memang tak berbaloi

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  • azrai on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    This Paul words is to be taken seriously "There is a bee sting antenna located towards the rear of the roof but towards the left rear instead of being positioned smack in the middle. Perodua says this is so that the owner will be able to flip the antenna down when required easily as compared to if it was in the middle." So why don't P2 put it at the right side instead of the left side because the driver is at the right side? Hahaha. Kantoi one.

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  • Automotive_Critics on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    Trully overprice. Why Government can approve this selling price?

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  • Anyone know which is MPV1, MPV2 and MPV3 ?

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  • alldisc on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    FWD, 2750mm and 1,150kg kerb weight is simply one great recipe for a vehicle that seats 7.

    i went to a P2 showroow yesterday and was caught by surprise at how good the car is.

    12 cupholders mean its definitely one car for those who love to drink and [S]drive[/S] travel.

    somehow, it will suit well to a small family but never for 2 types of people:-

    1. any driver below 5 foot high

    2. any one above 5 foot high wanting to seat in the rear. i dont think he can last for even 10 minutes.

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  • 4G63tDSM on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    scottloeb said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 8:54 am

    ISOFIX is EU standard. Kita beli Graco, tak dak ISOFIX jugak. Mothercare punya child seat pon still tadak ISOFIX. The best is idiot yg bawak kereta kat highway sambil anak dia duk atas riba pegang steering. Mmg CHAMPION.

    Not sure which chapalang Graco you bought. Mine has them, but they are called LATCH (since Graco is US brand). Works the same way or mounts to the same ISOFIX locations. Important thing, it works the same. The Recaro's I wanted to buy also has both LATCH and ISOFIX. But yeah, they are costly, my child's Graco travel system cost $1300, the Recaro's are $1700.

    Now here's the rub. The imported seats are subject to 30% import duty. So blame the goverment if anything we have non-affordable good child seats. Its like the government slapping on hugh duties on helmets and then "encourage" people to use them.

    But I agree, anak di depan memang champion.

    But whatever the case, we can change child seats over a short period of time (and they are cheap, relatively speaking to the car), but the average ownership of a car is 7-10 years. ISOFIX and LATCH isn't something that can be retrofitted, its a SIN not to include them, since they don't cost much.

    That said, Iwan Dani's comment makes the most sense here.

    The Alza isnt meant to compete directly with the midsizers. I'm sure there is a market for someone that thinks a Myvi is too small, and everything else is too expensive.

    I could expect it to compete directly not so much with the Exora but with the B-C segment cars (like the Persona, Latio, Vios….). And for what its worth, the Grand Livina isn't really that much bigger but a whopping 25K more.

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  • Automotive_Critics on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    azrai said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 9:32 am

    This Paul words is to be taken seriously “There is a bee sting antenna located towards the rear of the roof but towards the left rear instead of being positioned smack in the middle. Perodua says this is so that the owner will be able to flip the antenna down when required easily as compared to if it was in the middle.” So why don’t P2 put it at the right side instead of the left side because the driver is at the right side? Hahaha. Kantoi one.

    ———

    I don't think any problem with this. It's better to put at left side e.g the fuel lid is better to put at left side rather at driver side coz it difficult to open drivers door when refuelling. I notice most Japs have fuel lid at left side compare to Proton on right side. Continental i don't know. Japs is more user friendly in term of design overall.

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  • already check out the car last nite… quite small leh…

    because of the size, i think totally cannot consider already…. sigh….

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  • 4G63tDSM on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    And interestingly, I can fit cheap, standard and common sized 195/50/15 tyres on it wihtout too much difference in speedo variance when the originals wear out.

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  • Don't compare Exora with Alza. I test drived Exora before but booked the Alza yesterday. Reason? Price, affordability, comfort, sizeability and up to date. It's park brake even follows those of German made vehicles. It has a comfortable armrest. I am 170cm tall with turban, I still can sit at the third row without much discomfort. P1 & P2 airconditioning are very good, there is no extra air conditioning vents needed where Alza is concerned.

    Exora was a good deal too, just that it was a bit pricey (due to various taxes).

    Remember, Alza uses the same fuel saving engine as Vios. And this engine has never given problems. Consider that.

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  • swiftmatrix on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    I went to P2 showroom Subang Perdana last night…Not surprisingly many people there…The salesman was very nice to me explaining about this Alza…

    I'm impress.. until I ask him about Alza competativeness between Exora vs Alza..He can't answer me properly… The only thing he can say was "This is Toyota technology….. not like Proton"…Sigh.. I'm expecting better answer than that…

    I do support P1 & P2 though I don't have any of them in my garrage..

    But, I do believe that both P1 & p2 are targeting different market… For me Exora is the real MPV and and Alza is more on station wagon.. Both are good product though P2 should do better on their pricing….

    Overall, I feel that this Alza will capture certain market share but will not significantly affecting Exora territory.

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  • alldisc on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Myvi = not an actual word

    Alza = Spanish word, but nice!

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  • alldisc on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    Myvi = not really a word

    Alza = Spanish word, but nice!

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  • gen2lama on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    berduit kecik pun boleh pakai mpv besar apa….tambah 2k dapat based exora…got extra airbag (compare to alza heheeh)…

    once bought, no need to think about getting other car..

    alza 7 seater?…2 + 3 +2 ka?..aiyohhh..2nd row can fit 3 adults comfortably ka?…test la exora 2nd row…u'll be amazed…no need to 'squeze yr shoulder..

    better get proper sedan…

    to GeramHati….where do u live?..Pulau Raya ka?

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  • BEARING on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    BEAUTIFULL~~~NO KOMEN…HEHEHE…

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  • ahwee on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    i don't like malaysia car………

    better imported one for safety…..think about it

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  • learner on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    i wonder why PT removed my posting? one time i can see my posting and now the posting is gone? i don't bash alza anyway only giving constructive opinion. is there any possibility that p2 people who doing surveillance at this blog asking PT to delete my post?

    what i said earlier is that alza is overpriced especially the standard version which is priced at rm55k with so many 'no' compare to b-line exora which is priced at rm 57k that was bashed kaw-kaw because of many 'no' yet comes with driver airbag and pre-tensioner belts.

    i also said that buying saga se is even cheaper because you get driver airbag and driver and passenger pre-tensioner belts with leather seat at rm42k to rm 45k. maybe i compare orange to apple but as many said including PT, alza is more towards sedan competitor and saga is basically longer than alza by 52mm.

    i also said alza will jeopardize myvi current owner since the launching of alza maybe will make them feel pain to the heart since alza seem better than myvi.

    what i concluded above sound like bashing because hard to remember back and will takes time to retype, but my original posting is not at any near to bashing p2 alza.

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  • Kheng Yee on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Hi, there is a Perodua Alza contest on Facebook. Check it out at http://www.facebook.com/pages/Car-One-Moment-MPV-….

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  • this only 60% of MPV….Exora is the 100% MPV

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  • shawal on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    IS THIS A DIRECT COMPETITIOR TO A 5-SERIES GT MUAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

    just kidding….

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  • Paul Tan on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    I would like to remind readers that the server is experiencing high load so there will be some hiccups. There is a caching system so sometimes the server will display an old version of the page. U might think your comment has been deleted but I assure you I have no reason to censor any comments here. Please hold your horses and give it around 15 minutes or so before resubmitting your comment.

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  • zahari Affendi on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    Paul…your comparison between alza n exora should not be made as it's not in the same segment …by the way i don't think exora market will be affected by this new car..the affected market would be for livina, avanza, city, and vios.

    However, based on my test drive last night, the suspension of Alza is not too soft and another ting, P2 should provide gear's lamp for Alza as the new auto's driver have to rely on the dashboard to know the gear position at night.

    for me this is a good car for those looking a car which can carry more people and for the young family. the enhanced model is like a baby wish …good job P2 with the right price…

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  • gen2lama on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    my friend menyesal beli viva elite maaa…

    add abaout 150 per month can get this wagon'……

    but he's diehard p2 fan….

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  • syafique_360 on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    to all malaysian,

    let us support our malaysian car(proton)…

    perodua is not really our product…perodua has toyota & daihatsu behind them..don't listen what the people says..

    u should compare it with the fact and open ur mind…

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  • Tv3 kata 300mil for dev Alza? 300mil for redesign bumper?

    Hehehehe…Lawak antarabangsa!!!!

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  • shawal on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    Seats go all way down….mmm…. nice, altho, picnic is not what i have in mind, muaahahahahahahahahahaha

    Iwan Dani couldnt say it any better!

    Its an alternative to the HONDA JAZZ! Alza looks very fresh and zippy, for a wagon its very practical

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  • lanrambai on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    Guys.. when u go for a test drive with this Alza.. please make sure u bring the whole family with u. Then bring them to Proton and test drive Exora. After that… ask them… which one to buy? I did that with Livina… and their answer was Exora….. err.. ok… I lied… i did a test drive in Livina with my family.. my wife did not like it because of the size and the 3rd row small.

    I booked my exora just after reading Paul Tan's review after the media test drive a month or so before launching. After Exora launched, only then I can bring my family for the test drive.. and the gave me the approval… Er.. by the way.. my family consist of a wife, my mother and 4 kids from 2 to 10. By the time I finish paying my instalment, the 3rd row is still roomy for both my younger child which is 11 and 15 by then.

    My advise is… if space is not a priority to you… even for 8, 9 years from now… only then Alza may be listed as one of your choice…. but there are singles and young married couples who own the Exora now. For them space is not important but there must be other factors that lead them for not waiting for Alza… so.. to say that Exora wins in the spacious part only is not correct to them.

    Anyways… Alza is good…. but Exora is the best hahaha.

    ps – why ahh.. never heard of a perodua personnel (SA or their engineers) admitting they are from perodua in this forum…. Proton's people declared they are from proton ie sifu, 460 and few others. But from the way this website is heading…. its becoming more like a perodua showroom lahh.

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  • gen2lama on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    hai chief lan….

    just want to add sikit…

    if people say that people dont always want the 3rd row…so they can fold down the 3rd row to get more luggage space…just imagine how big is the luggage space in exora if 3rd row folded….even one of the 3rd row seat pun dah kaw2 punya besar…

    well exora can also be true 5 seater + big boot..

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  • Automotive_Critics on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    I think we should stop comparing this Alza to others MPV as actually this Alza do not know to sit in which group/class. In Japan, this boon luminas is not MPV class but one box car from Daihatsu. But why they can call it MPV? RTD should give clear definition to automaker about grouping class to avoid market interruption and regret to buyers later. Also most important is to avoid the maker to sell it overprice due to its claim MPV class.

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  • Arani on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    Maserati said:

    "Idiots.Alza will still triumph in term of sales.This is no doubt! How come got so many ppl asking for crash test? Is that the best you guys can come up with?!! Why,Alza is too nice until the best you can come up with is “SHOW ME THE CRASH TEST”? Ran out of ideas to bash P2 already? NOOBS!

    OBTW,to proton fans out there,I dont think your stupid proton cars have crash test.The best oso 3 star for Waja if i not mistaken.Exora 4 stars?But weird,you guys seem to be driving like Bas3rds on the road…hmmmmm…

    Neo crash test how many stars?!! Is there even a crash test on this piece of junk?! Whether or not got crash test ,if I give you a 5 star rating car,if you are an ASSHOLE on the road,you will still die ,get it? Sore losers..Proton ,wake up and stop making cars that will benefit the hardcore racers in the country with all those stupid LOTUS engineering bullcrap."

    To Maserati,

    I think you're the one talking crap here. At least proton did their homework and you can see how it translate to a better car produce by them (eg. Exora) compared to their previous product like Waja, Neo and Persona. To be honest, I've owned every type of vehicle produce by Perodua (kancil, kembara, myvi, viva and even the old Rusa) but I don't think I'll buy the new Alza. I've only one Proton car which is my old trustworthy SAGA. After taking a closer look at it yesterday, IMHO it's not worth to buy it. Like someone else said in here, I better top up a little and get either Kia Forte or just get myself the cool Nissan Grand Livina. Whatever lah, I think there's no point for me to talk to a weirdo guy who post childish and emotional statement like you! GROW UP PLEASE!!

    Saga, Kancil, Kembara = Own personal use

    Myvi = bought for my wife

    Rusa = to stuff goods for my pasar malam business

    Viva = recently bought for my daughter to use later on

    Forte or Grand Livina = Plan to buy next month after I got enough money to pay the 30% – 40% downpayment. Original plan was to buy before Raya Puasa but got other important commitment to fulfill.

    To all of u guys out there, as head of the family, I suggest you better save your hard earned money and buy a bigger house instead. Unless you're filthy rich, don't waste your money into buying expensive car all the time because nobody cares. To them we're just driving a Malaysian car! So, for your family's sake, plan your financial obligations carefully!

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  • Annoy-namos on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    I agree with Paul. Comparatively, this is an alternative for people who prefer an MPV over a normal sedan i.e. its an MPV equivalent of a persona-waja class family car. A family of 5 (with 3 small kids) who can journey long distance in this MPV may also be "more or less" comfortable in a sedan.

    People who really really need an MPV will go for larger models NAZA-KIAs, Exoras, Innovas…

    Nonetheless, its cute and attractive with lots of practicalities to brag about as you would expect from a p2 and other toyota derived models… and people will buy it and enjoy its wide range of uses.

    Congrats for another car to come out of the countries stable.

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  • 4G63tDSM on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    A_C.

    You're nitpicking. and very small nits at that.

    They can call it whatever it is. If I asked you how you would like to define MPV, you'd probably lump this Alza with the rest.

    Like what? seats more than 5, is a hatchback, has foldable seats.??

    MPV is now what a station wagon was 20 years ago.

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  • kodok on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    great for a family with 2 lil kids…no match to exora which is a notch higher in terms of space and class..alza is an mpv alrite albeit a small mpv

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  • budlee on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    penat baca comment, tak larat nak baca semua..

    well Perodua never lied to the consumer

    read the tagline..

    CAR…one moment.. MPV the next

    so it is a car, with the ability to carry some people if you choose too.. just like the Naza Citra, and Mazda Demio (is it the demio? not sure.. its the MPV before the Mazda 5)..

    Exora killer? Hmm.. yes and no, since normal people who don't read this articles nor who are passionate about cars, will absolutely love Perodua, but this is a SMALL MPV compared large Exora..

    Its kinda amusing, when most people will say. Exora is for the husband while the Alza is for the wife…

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  • norman on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    I would just say its a wagon with extra seats only.The 2nd and 3rd row are way too cramped even for 1.64m person to sit comfortably.Reasons why Passo Sette is not popular than Sienta is the space.They claim it as a 7 seater MPV where its not.The most is 6 person i can honestly said.Long journey are too tiring.Experience it before on a rent Passo Sette in Singapore few mths back.But its definately has good pick up over Exora but lost for spaciousness,Comfort and long journey trips.However those with 3-4 kids can consider this,Its actually a streched Myvi with extra seats,Not a true MPV.

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  • tttuuuutttt on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    naik kancil bontot blkg jatuh…

    naik viva pon bontot blkg jatuh…

    naik myvi pon bontot blkg jatuh….

    apatah lagi naik al'nazak' ni bontot blkg jatuh trus terseret atas jalan hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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  • carcoon on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    litespeed said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 8:41 am

    Paul Tan is not biasedlah. Only the ISOFIX is a bit over the top. The ISOFIX mounts are all fine and dandy, and costs an arm and a leg to develop. However the real issue here is the ISOFIX child seats themselves- they cost a bomb! Last time I check in UK it costs well over 100 quids. Imagine what’s the price here. Nothing less than RM2000 I reckon. I mean, for the Proton and Perodua buyer demographics, these buggers would rather buy a kapchai than a fancy ISOFIX child seat. The conventional Sweet Cherry type can be bought at RM100 or less ma…

    ————————————————————-

    hi litespeed,

    from your words above, do you mean that WE (Proton and Perodua buyers) are buggers that would rather buy a kapchai than a child seat? your conclusion seems narrow and shallow.

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  • Automotive_Critics on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    4G63tDSM said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 11:36 am

    A_C.

    You’re nitpicking. and very small nits at that.

    They can call it whatever it is. If I asked you how you would like to define MPV, you’d probably lump this Alza with the rest.

    Like what? seats more than 5, is a hatchback, has foldable seats.??

    MPV is now what a station wagon was 20 years ago.

    ——————–

    Nitpicker sometimes pick useful thing. The definition can made easily and just make it official for any assembler or seller to follow. In Japan, they have many terms like Kei (660cc), 3-Box, 1-Box etc all is for maker and buyer guidance to make or buy car. The market isn't become haywire too. If not, don't you feel this Alza is too overpriced? Boon Luminas highers spec only at RM44K in Japan.

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  • Cikgu Khoo on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    jangan bising² la…tk mau beli diam..mau beli pun diam…sapa dh pi tenguk kasi pendapat aja..jangan kutuk²..bullshit..kita 1Malaysia la…saya mahu bagi amanat ni..

    pulau pandan jauh ketengah,

    gunung lambak bercabang tiga,

    hancur badan dikandung tanah,

    budi yang baik perodua dikenang jua…

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  • Tiadaid on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    carcoon said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 11:58 am

    hi litespeed,

    from your words above, do you mean that WE (Proton and Perodua buyers) are buggers that would rather buy a kapchai than a child seat? your conclusion seems narrow and shallow.

    ———————–

    The question is, would you buy an ISOFIX seat? Or even buy a non-ISOFIX child seat? Or you'd be like everyone else who let their kids sit on the seat without a booster seat. So far I haven't seen anyone place their kids on a booster seat. Baby carriers are different though…

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  • JunLyn on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    i still luv my kenari…

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  • toyo_the_stupid on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    More like a beef up Myvi…I don't understand by it is called MPV…should have been catagorized as normal hatchback just like Honda Jazz or Nissan Latio (3rd row seats are too uncomfortable to be qualified as a seat…)

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  • its simple, they want to claim MPV so that they can capture MPV market from exora… huahahahha :p

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  • Syafique

    P2 is made by Malaysian, using parts mainly produced by Malaysian (i have to admit small % of them may be thru the hands of Indonesian and Nepali), so why it is not malaysian punya car?

    Everything is globalized nowadays, P1 acquired Lotus and designed its engine (correct if i'm wrong), so we are more likely to see silver leg hair in the engine compared to our very own in black color. P1 and P2 may engage consultant (foreight perhaps0 to design it's next generation car.

    Dr Muszaphar went to space in Russian spacecraft, and I have no problem calling him angkasawan..so must he fly in Malaysian made space shutter so we can pull our head out from the sand meh?!

    If we send our children to US for higher education, what do we call them, American?

    You don't wear batik everyday and nobody is calling u a traitor. Opps… don't mean to trigger another invasion. This is globalization la..

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  • test drove it today…….

    -ve comments….. the passanger sitting next to d driver will have a problem if long legs, coz the center console will kena the knee (AT version only)…. no 2 n 3 row a/c…..needs more small places to put stuffs like pockets n extra compartments….power just a bit sluggish……

    +ve comments…..white is so cool…..space inside was not wat i expected, coz i thought it will be like an extented myvi……3rd row jump seat at d rear is useful when have extras 4 short trips……. handling is better then the Avanza, n i know its coz its very low n avanza is tall ok. just proving that u can get another 7 seates at this price gap, from the parent company of TOYOTA…..

    hopefully the performance parts will be out soon……just to SPICE it up a bit. Ultra racing….. k&n(ada bah kan sekarang)…..Eibach……

    lastly, thumbs up from my wife

    …..so next year will be a good year, provided can get b4 CNY- balik kampung… reminds me of the MYVI when drove it back for CNY- talk of all the families…..

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  • Arani said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 11:30 am

    Forte or Grand Livina = Plan to buy next month after I got enough money to pay the 30% – 40% downpayment.

    _____________________________

    Arani,

    My advise for you is, you better save your hard earned money and buy a bigger house instead. Unless you’re filthy rich, don’t waste your money into buying expensive car. :P

    Joking la..just sense a little irony here.

    Anyway, my advise is actually

    – Grand Livina: not that much spacious compared to Alza (check the wheel base), i did not think it is worth the extra 30k even for a bigger engine.

    – Korean of any kind: dont know them a lot. I will say 2 things

    1. to buy P1 or P2 is going for compromised quality (what to do? need a big house), in some way, but scores on patriotism (duh!),

    2. to go for Korean is, in same way, compromising on quality, but score no point for 1Malaysian campaign.

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  • scottloeb on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    4G63 (Mitsu fan),

    I bought Graco old model Turbobooster Step 3 child seat that integrates with the car 3 point harness, doesnt come with ISOFIX (bought at Mom's Care IKANO Power Centre for arnd RM 350). I bought Chicco travel system – Race (not the 3 wheeler) from Ebay in the UK for a bargain price of GBP120 (RRP in Malaysia is RM 2300 – this is in 2006 when Arsenal trump Blackburn 6-2 in the Emirates on Boxing Day match), still doesnt come with ISOFIX, need the adapter. Planning to buy Mothercare express Optic (RRP MYR 600), dont know still available or not as this is old model also doesn't comes with the ISOFIX. Britax, Recaro or Maxi Cosi perhaps might have. But I heard Satria Neo got seat with ISOFIX, but most reasonable price MPV doesn't include ISOFIX features in the seat, only Europeans do (I guess). Weird isnt it?

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  • orang miskin on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    smlm dh tgk live & dh booking

    mcm kami org miskin nk pakai 7 (5+2) seater model lain x mampu so

    ambil alza yg basic pun jadi lar janji dpt rasa :)

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  • Prismo on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    Quoted:

    "the Alza I feel our own Malaysian design team has trumped the Japanese guys. The Passo Sette had this slightly bulgy-eyed look while the Alza looks far more sleeker"

    —————–

    Wow!! finally P2 design team pawning T&D design team with a sleeker headlamp!! but they take to much time just redesign the headlamp and the rest is still T&D design….

    On tv3 said P2 spending RM300mil for developing Alza? on what? bumper and headlamp RnD really cost to them that much ka??

    Went to P2 showroom last night. ketuk2 body, bang the door, having a sit at the 3rd row.. what can i say, amat mengecewakan… 1st row quite spacious… 2nd row just cukup2 muat and 3row very very tight for a person 168cm tall like me… terpaksa tolak 2nd row seat kedepan kalo aku nak duduk kat 3rd row tapi kalo mcm tu 2nd row dan semakin kureng space dia…

    "The tests were performed with a starting cabin temperature of 55 degrees Celcius and test results were obtained after 11 minutes of driving with the air cond at maximum performance."

    kalo temperature 55 degrees Celcius kalo dlm keta, tunggu a/c sejuk dlm masa 2 minit pun aku tak tahan… kalo dah maximum a/c utk sejukkan 3rd row.. mesti kuat melantak minyak…

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  • Arani on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    SE said:

    Anyway, my advise is actually

    – Grand Livina: not that much spacious compared to Alza (check the wheel base), i did not think it is worth the extra 30k even for a bigger engine.

    – Korean of any kind: dont know them a lot. I will say 2 things

    1. to buy P1 or P2 is going for compromised quality (what to do? need a big house), in some way, but scores on patriotism (duh!),

    2. to go for Korean is, in same way, compromising on quality, but score no point for 1Malaysian campaign.

    I've test drive the grand livina twice from the showroom and twice from my relatives and I've to admit it's still a class above Alza (albeit I only get to drive the Alza around for a short while yesterday). Try it! But to me, the resale value of japanese car is much much better than any Malaysian made car be it P1 or P2. I'm planning to use it only for max 5 years and then upgrade to a merc or bmw. Normally, people say when you own these elite marques means you have done it, you have achieved the pillar of success.

    I already have three landed house, one condo and a few acres of land. I acquired all of my properties through my diversified business which actually started with just selling nasi lemak at pasar malam about 16 years ago. FYI, Believe it or not, I actually still sell nasi lemak using my Rusa (previously use Saga) until today!

    I can actually buy the mercedes or bmw car any time but still I hope that some day, I could finally lay my hand on the ultimate machine! My children's education is my top priority at the moment.

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  • There goes another crap… Outgoing model in japan but become new model in malaysia… This one is not cheap bro… those specifications are already outdated…. No new hardware but all cheap electronics..

    Look further outside this box and you'll find much better choices

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  • gen2lama on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    hai kesian orang miskin…

    tambah 2k dapat real 7 seater la…..with extra safety features lagi…

    saya dah merasa real 7 seater…..

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  • Arani on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    SE said:

    Anyway, my advise is actually

    – Grand Livina: not that much spacious compared to Alza (check the wheel base), i did not think it is worth the extra 30k even for a bigger engine.

    – Korean of any kind: dont know them a lot. I will say 2 things

    1. to buy P1 or P2 is going for compromised quality (what to do? need a big house), in some way, but scores on patriotism (duh!),

    2. to go for Korean is, in same way, compromising on quality, but score no point for 1Malaysian campaign.

    I've test drive the grand livina twice from the showroom and twice from my relatives and I've to admit it's still a class above Alza (albeit I only get to drive the Alza around for a short while yesterday). But to me, the resale value of japanese car is much much better than any Malaysian made car be it P1 or P2. I'm planning to use it only for max 3 to 5 years and then upgrade to a merc or bmw. Normally, people say when you own these elite marques means you have done it, you have achieved the pillar of success.

    About buying a bigger house issue, I've already thought of that long time ago. Syukur Alhamdulillah, I now have three landed house, one shoplot, one condo and a few acres of land. I acquired all of these properties through my business which actually started with just selling nasi lemak at pasar malam about 16 years ago. Believe it or not, I still sell the same nasi lemak at pasar malam using my Rusa until now.

    I can actually buy the mercedes or bmw car any time but still I hope that some day, I could finally lay my hand on the ultimate machine! My children's education is my top priority at the moment.

    Oh, I forgot about the forte, you did mentioned the 30k difference of the Grand Livina compare to Alza. I had test drive the 1.6 forte recently and it suits more to my liking but my family loves the grand livina more. I did wait for Alza to launch and perhaps I'll try test drive again together with my family before I decide which car to buy. My cousin is the perodua branch manager, i bought all my p2 cars through him. He's trying really hard to persuade me to buy the premium Alza. hehe..

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  • gen2lama on Nov 24, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    hai orang miskin…..

    so sad man….tambah 2k je u get real 7 seater with extra (air bag)….

    exora basic just 57k maaa…

    – yg dah rasa 7 seater…

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  • Pooorrrrrrrrrr car.

    sucking blood from rakyat!

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  • Bob Tahar on Nov 24, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    That orang miskin is very kaya buying an expansive wagon… add couple of K can get the real deal & seater MPV with airbag.

    Just feel the manual version… for a big guy… its more comfortable because on no bulky auto gear…

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  • mockviper (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    orang miskin said,

    smlm dh tgk live & dh booking

    mcm kami org miskin nk pakai 7 (5+2) seater model lain x mampu so

    ambil alza yg basic pun jadi lar janji dpt rasa :)

    ———

    kesian ye org miskin ni…mesti dia tak tau ade model lain yg a bit better dari alza basic ni.. beza dia dalam rm2k jer.. dapat full 7 seater and ada airbag.. nmpk sgt tak buat research dulu ni.. ;)

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  • jamban on Nov 24, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    MPV alza mg sempoi…dh booking dh…cool…jadi tunggu apa lagi..jgn ketinggalan…booking segera..

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  • Who wants to buy manual car driving in a city like kl? MPV is all for leisure and comfort. Defeat the purpose if buying a manual MPV. Better buy a van instead! Do you see any high class continental/japs MPV using a manual gearbox?? Better still why not drive a bus instead if u prefer manual version.

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  • rafiq on Nov 24, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    sy nk tanya sikit alza kecil tapi 1.5 kenapa exora lg besar 1.6? nk save market price?

    apa pun citarasa masing2 but base on record perodua will achive target

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  • Paul, Could you enlighten us some of issue discuss by the blogger? I can any see you make a comment when somebody talking bad about you. Just my two sen

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  • lol the second picture from the "seating arrangement" looks awfully funny

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  • oh wait,correction, the 5th picture from "seating arrangement"

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  • squawk on Nov 24, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    Ivan, it's very common in Europe for MPVs to have manual trans. But Malaysians are a lazy lot.

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  • nathan on Nov 24, 2009 at 11:20 pm

    not bad

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  • In Europe, Manual is still a favourable choice as they are a little conservative but in the Americas, they prefer Automatic transmissions. It depends on the persons choice actually.

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  • THE |X| CREATOR.COM on Nov 24, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    6/10 je aku boleh bagi kat ALZA…

    mmg murah…tapi tahap keselesaan kurang… :p

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  • mockviper said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

    orang miskin said,

    smlm dh tgk live & dh booking

    mcm kami org miskin nk pakai 7 (5+2) seater model lain x mampu so

    ambil alza yg basic pun jadi lar janji dpt rasa :)

    ———

    kesian ye org miskin ni…mesti dia tak tau ade model lain yg a bit better dari alza basic ni.. beza dia dalam rm2k jer.. dapat full 7 seater and ada airbag.. nmpk sgt tak buat research dulu ni.. ;)

    ___

    Mockviper, im sorry to tell you Perodua has better resale value. and yes i hate to admit it.

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  • best…but i'm too late because just bought a myvi…

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  • nizam80 (Member) on Nov 25, 2009 at 12:36 am

    The practicality of this people carrier is wagon-like. But who cares? Your typical Malaysian will definitely purchase this over the Exora. The Advanced Version definitely has more accessories… But RM 70K (Advanced Version)? That's a bit pricey for a vehicle of this size don't you think?

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  • Prismo on Nov 25, 2009 at 12:54 am

    Rico said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

    Mockviper, im sorry to tell you Perodua has better resale value. and yes i hate to admit it.

    ——————————————————–

    Rico, i hate to say this.. my 2002 kancil850 resale value drop until RM7k and my mum kelisa850 year 2006 just RM15k… My big bro 2007 Myvi cannot be trade in with Alza bcoz a low resale value that can't cover the bank settlement…

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  • krekosan on Nov 25, 2009 at 12:54 am

    Hmm, for a small family ok laa, any1 who just married sure take this one. very good, steady drive, can 'play2' in car too. I like!

    But hey, the reality is that whenever it involve in an accident, die la. So, drive safely in this kind of car.

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  • vhiung on Nov 25, 2009 at 12:56 am

    4 mw alza is not fight with exora, alza look like a "BOX" no design.

    60k….buy a car like tis, better add 10k can buy exora loh!!

    P2 should change! Change!

    myvi lagi BEST…even i drive persona.

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  • NoNoP2 on Nov 25, 2009 at 1:01 am

    RM70k for advance version?

    what is so advance to have that price tag??

    trying to tipu us with words…so much for advance..

    bodykits? leather seat? GPS? oh ya I forgot..P2 so advance with bodykits development..coz that's the only thing they've been doing since day 1!!! LOLZ

    reverse camera?? kedai abang got la for RM500 only!

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  • Arani

    You have my respect even if u r spotted in an Alza! No need to be the tallest and biggest to prove a point la.. :-P

    However, this discussion is abt stretching the ringgit. Compare space, Livina is no better than Alza. Comparing resale value, Nissan is no better than Toyota or Honda (may be on par with P2? and i figure Alza can resale better than Merz or a BM in term of % difference. When taste matters, most would prefer a Mazda over Kia.

    Anyway, it's all abt personal choice, i dont think we are here to force a decision on anyone, but to share opinion so everyone can consider everything before decides to take the dive, or not.

    Last but not least, your Nasi lemak must be damn good, where can i get a packet? i am still looking for a good one all over bayan lepas to start my everyday!

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  • if need to turn aircond to max for it to reach the third row… wonder what happen to the driver. sure freeze to death..

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  • st power on Nov 25, 2009 at 1:18 am

    mt?

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  • chacha on Nov 25, 2009 at 1:27 am

    MazdaAstina said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

    might consider if i dun get an estima!

    —————————————————————

    Ko, kalo xde duit 2 bt ler cara xde duit. Jauh benor lari dr nk beli estima ke alza (teruk btl downgrade). Ibarat dr nk beli emas x jd n beli kaca lak. kalo xpun ckp ler nk beli wish/stream bru masuk akal. Lain kali kalo nk sembang 2, pkr2 la dlu bang oooiiii….. (Jgn mare yea, nti kna jual)

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  • Alza aka MyVi Bontot on Nov 25, 2009 at 1:30 am

    mengQ said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 3:24 am

    ——————————–

    P2 salesman

    Automotive_Critics said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 9:50 am

    I don’t think any problem with this. It’s better to put at left side e.g the fuel lid is better to put at left side rather at driver side coz it difficult to open drivers door when refuelling. I notice most Japs have fuel lid at left side compare to Proton on right side. Continental i don’t know. Japs is more user friendly in term of design overall.

    ——————————–

    Can't understand your argument.

    BABA said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 10:01 am

    ——————————–

    You should buy B-Line Exora dude..

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  • mockviper said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

    orang miskin said,

    smlm dh tgk live & dh booking

    mcm kami org miskin nk pakai 7 (5+2) seater model lain x mampu so

    ambil alza yg basic pun jadi lar janji dpt rasa :)

    ———

    kesian ye org miskin ni…mesti dia tak tau ade model lain yg a bit better dari alza basic ni.. beza dia dalam rm2k jer.. dapat full 7 seater and ada airbag.. nmpk sgt tak buat research dulu ni..

    —————–

    ye la the one kotak MPV p1.. ahaks .. as i heard turun the price to 57 k…

    wow what a challange.. …

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  • zainol on Nov 25, 2009 at 1:42 am

    the true is we are not designing our own car model and we just cut n paste…alza? i am won't waste my money to this cars…..better use exora…look luxury and exclusive…much better then this kancil type….

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  • @ntiPerOdua on Nov 25, 2009 at 1:54 am

    So disappointed!! The SUCK car in the malaysia !!!

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  • alansmithz (Member) on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:00 am

    Alza is suitable for people who want a bigger car than sedan but dread parking a fulll size monster like Exora. Suitable for young dude who like to go out with lot of friends in the weekend & also use it as his only car for daily travelling to work.

    Exora is great for people with BIG family members who still live in the same house & like to travel outstation during the weekend, TOGETHER!!

    Here is the little dilemma for Exora: Not all family members would like to balik kampung in the same MPV with their parent if they also have their own car (tuned up racer to show off during Raya or CNY). Just my 2 cents

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  • @ntiPerOdua

    are u a P1 saleman in an empty showroom waaaaaaiting for customer? give u benefit of doubt and pls presents some facts la… instead of singing and waiting for the cows to come home.

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  • @ntiPerOdua

    are u a P1 salesman in an empty showroom waaaaaaiting for customer? u can have the benefit of doubt but pls present some facts la… instead of just sing and waiting for the cows to come home.

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  • 4G63tDSM on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:16 am

    scottloeb said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 12:52 pm

    I bought Graco old model Turbobooster Step 3 child seat that integrates with the car 3 point harness, doesnt come with ISOFIX (bought at Mom’s Care IKANO Power Centre for arnd RM 350). I bought Chicco travel system – Race (not the 3 wheeler) from Ebay in the UK for a bargain price of GBP120 (RRP in Malaysia is RM 2300 – this is in 2006 when Arsenal trump Blackburn 6-2 in the Emirates on Boxing Day match), still doesnt come with ISOFIX, need the adapter. Planning to buy Mothercare express Optic (RRP MYR 600), dont know still available or not as this is old model also doesn’t comes with the ISOFIX. Britax, Recaro or Maxi Cosi perhaps might have. But I heard Satria Neo got seat with ISOFIX, but most reasonable price MPV doesn’t include ISOFIX features in the seat, only Europeans do (I guess). Weird isnt it?

    Yeah it is. Really stupid if you asked me. All 3 local MPVs don't have them, the Rondo, Exora and this Alza. My daughter's Graco travel system has LATCH, and can be mounted into ISOFIX if one existed so Im surprised why your's don't.

    I can confirm that most EU seats have ISOFIX like Britax (very good brand), and Recaro.

    Booster seats don't have LATCH or ISOFIX, they are meant to be used with your regular seatbelts. Which is why your's don't.

    Actually, i've looked through the details between the Grand Livina and the Alza. Both are damn close in dimensions, with the Nissan being 20cm longer, a bit shorter and narrower.

    It would be tough sell for the 1.6L GL at 20k more……After all, its not that much different in size.

    Ivan said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

    Who wants to buy manual car driving in a city like kl? MPV is all for leisure and comfort. Defeat the purpose if buying a manual MPV. Better buy a van instead! Do you see any high class continental/japs MPV using a manual gearbox?? Better still why not drive a bus instead if u prefer manual version.

    ———-

    Whats wrong with a manual? Not everyone that buys the car lives in KL stuck in gridlock. Whats not to like about 5% better fuel economy and a few grand less in purchase price, and a bit more power when you feel like it. I will never buy an automatic car to drive (my wife will, but I wont)

    Go visit Europe. Tell them Diesel and manual is for Trucks, busses and lorries and see if you get laughed off the street. Never seen a bus with auto gearbox?

    Not quite sure how you come up with that sort of conclusion…LOL

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  • 4G63tDSM on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:28 am

    Automotive_Critics said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 12:02 pm

    Nitpicker sometimes pick useful thing. The definition can made easily and just make it official for any assembler or seller to follow. In Japan, they have many terms like Kei (660cc), 3-Box, 1-Box etc all is for maker and buyer guidance to make or buy car. The market isn’t become haywire too. If not, don’t you feel this Alza is too overpriced? Boon Luminas highers spec only at RM44K in Japan.

    Yes, its overpriced. And as with every other car in Malaysia.

    Being an MPV has nothing to do with how its priced. Calling one an MPV doens't mean you can price it up.

    Its expensive because thats what people will pay for it. Regardless if its an MPV or not. The Myvi was rediculously overpriced. And so was a 55k Wira and a 37K 20 year old Iswara.

    Part of that fault stems from Proton itself and its own undoing. If Proton can make good cars with good reliability and good price, you can bet that every other car brand will lower its price. Too bad Proton is so deep in mud it will take itself some time to climb out off. Public perception takes time to overcome years of bad quality and bad press.

    That …. and taxes.

    Matured markets don't need categories to define them. Japan is different as thier taxes and road usage depends on class of car which is why they are defined that strictly.

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  • hai kawan2 apa hal bising bising ,ni mpv budget…kalau byk duit beli estima la…apa hal kutuk2.kalau tak da duit beli ja alza kalau nak besar ckit beli exora…apa hal la tak patriotik langsung.

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  • MengQ on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:42 am

    Alza aka MyVi Bontot Plus++ said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

    —————-

    Yeah yeah, i am! How do you know that? So smart lah you…

    LOLz!

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  • sambung…kalau lu orang nak murah..impot lagi beli ja chana era..lu pikir la sendiri

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  • sir s on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:55 am

    I just back from Perodua's showroom. Really dissapointed. The design is nice, but the space is toooooooooooooooooooooooooo small to say it is a MPV. Very frustrated. If u really want to buy it, better buy the cheapest variant… if not, for premium grade, it is too expensive laa… I agree Paul said that it is better to flip the back seat and make Alza as a 5 seater wagon… it is better than u call it an MPV. Ok la… tengok la sendiri… if u like it, then u like la… depend on your personal view… :)

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  • alza looks nerdy or something incomplete, exora looks far more handsome and sturdy.

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  • oh no prismo, now you hv tell me. im a bit worried.

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  • wastage on Nov 25, 2009 at 3:50 am

    Myvi= 2-3 ppl balik kampung + luggage

    Alza= 5 ppl balik kampung.

    so, as Paul tan mentioned, waja/persona is the main target. this is a good car, very good, will sell.

    how is exora?

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  • mentaliti org malaysia ni selalu nak barang murah berkualiti…kalau wish,estima 100k lebih takde org nak komlen pulak..just my 1 cent

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  • rakyat jelata on Nov 25, 2009 at 4:29 am

    kereta ok dah.harga mahalah.sebab buatan tempatan bkn import.compare spec baik beli naza citra lebih selamat.

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  • rakyat jelata on Nov 25, 2009 at 4:39 am

    estima mahal krn cukai kerajaan tapi barang beli puas hati.pakai 15 thn steady lagi kita punya guaneeeee….nak untung banyak sangat.wah wah wah….

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  • 4G63tDSM on Nov 25, 2009 at 5:01 am

    Sir s,

    I am surprised people are dissapointed for it being small.

    I can understand if you are dissapointed with the price, or the fit and finish..etc…but size??

    Which part of it got lost with you? Its a small car. Its built to be small. What exactly were you expecting?

    Its actually not THAT much smaller than the GL. My daughter's stroller wont fit here, nor the GL. it still wont fit in the Stream, Rondo and Wish with the 3rd row seats up either. You want real size then its time to move to the Grandis or Estimas. Out of budget? well its less than 1/3 the price, so expect 1/3 the car.

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  • Alza Buruk!!!!!

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  • Auto_crat on Nov 25, 2009 at 5:22 am

    Also just came back form the showroom. It is expected, the third row will be a bit tight. Really uncomfortable for adult. For kids…canla. Looks quite ok. But my family is expanding. I'll have to go for Exora…or wait a bit further for Exora Turbo. I'll think in many way Exora gains the upper hand. Just my 2cents.

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  • Automotive_Critics on Nov 25, 2009 at 5:40 am

    4G63tDSM said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

    Sir s,

    I am surprised people are dissapointed for it being small.

    I can understand if you are dissapointed with the price, or the fit and finish..etc…but size??

    Which part of it got lost with you? Its a small car. Its built to be small. What exactly were you expecting?

    Its actually not THAT much smaller than the GL. My daughter’s stroller wont fit here, nor the GL. it still wont fit in the Stream, Rondo and Wish with the 3rd row seats up either. You want real size then its time to move to the Grandis or Estimas. Out of budget? well its less than 1/3 the price, so expect 1/3 the car.

    —————

    I can understand his arguments and feeling of which of category should he put this Alza in. MPV should be in a size that enable it to be called as MPV but this Alza claimed as MPV but so far never satisfy most as MPV.

    The GL is better with 200mm longer translate to better legroom and 3rd row seating height is higher than this Alza. Also the long wheel base cause intrusion to 3rd row seat in Alza thus can't seat adult comfortably.

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  • stfodude on Nov 25, 2009 at 5:56 am

    buta saja beli yang ini ,

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  • stfodude on Nov 25, 2009 at 5:56 am

    'buta' saja beli yang ini ,

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  • mubongok on Nov 25, 2009 at 6:07 am

    pandai betul encik prismo..

    RM300 juta untuk buat bumper..abis bodypart 2 import dari jepun ke?

    nak buat bodypart etc pintu, bonet dll kena ada mould..mould tu buat pakai air liur je ke?…production line ingat boleh pakai equipment yg sama ke?

    kalo x tau..x yah ckp..jgn la membongokkan diri anda…dpt info kat web pun komen mcm dah pakar dlm industri automotif…tong kosong!

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  • hotblood on Nov 25, 2009 at 6:21 am

    Automotive_Critics said,

    The GL is better with 200mm longer translate to better legroom and 3rd row seating height is higher than this Alza. Also the long wheel base cause intrusion to 3rd row seat in Alza thus can’t seat adult comfortably.

    ___________________

    you are right but 200mm longer+0.3L+seating higher=RM30K. i rather buy another viva for 30K & get extra 4 seats & 4tyres…LOL

    easy way to solve stroller problem, just buy roof box & price is less then RM1500.

    ada bran?

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  • stream2001 on Nov 25, 2009 at 6:24 am

    isofix isofix..my Honda Stream RM150k pun xde isofix.kalau ada pun,berapa orang Msia sanggup beli childseat certified ok yg harga mahal giler.sape yg mampu beli child seat harga RM1000,takkan nak pakai Alza kot?

    anyway bila check tadi,sama je sempit 3rd row alza vs Stream.harga pun kereta MPV paling murah,nak espect best camana pulak..

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  • Cikgu Khoo said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 12:02 pm

    jangan bising² la…tk mau beli diam..mau beli pun diam…sapa dh pi tenguk kasi pendapat aja..jangan kutuk²..bullshit..kita 1Malaysia la…saya mahu bagi amanat ni..

    pulau pandan jauh ketengah,

    gunung lambak bercabang tiga,

    hancur badan dikandung tanah,

    budi yang baik perodua dikenang jua…

    mantap2…

    Prismo said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

    Rico said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

    Mockviper, im sorry to tell you Perodua has better resale value. and yes i hate to admit it.

    ——————————————————–

    Rico, i hate to say this.. my 2002 kancil850 resale value drop until RM7k and my mum kelisa850 year 2006 just RM15k… My big bro 2007 Myvi cannot be trade in with Alza bcoz a low resale value that can’t cover the bank settlement…

    ko beli BMW makin lama makin naik harga ker bodo??

    tan said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

    mentaliti org malaysia ni selalu nak barang murah berkualiti…kalau wish,estima 100k lebih takde org nak komlen pulak..just my 1 cent

    betul tu…nak baik sumer n murah cuba la buat keter sendiri..bleh endoss kat jpj keter DIY..

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  • squawk on Nov 25, 2009 at 6:31 am

    I cannot tahan this being called an MPV. If this is an MPV then the "lowly" Pijot 307 SW can be promoted from estate to MPV too. It's also got 5+2 seating.

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  • er6n, prismo tu cume nak bagitau jer kalu kata p2 punya resale value tinggi, mana ada tinggi, sama je mcm kete lain, itu aje.jgnlah marah k.

    org marah sebab perodua ckp perodua MPV, so setakat ini, MPV di consider pada minda orang satu kenderaan yang lebih besar dari sedan n boleh bwk 7 org dgn selesa. so bile kecik, elok dikatakan tagline nya, wagon juga dengan 2 seat tambahan. so, xdalah org marah sgt pasal size tuh. em, by the way, stroller anak saya muat je kat blakag innova n exora bila sume seat naik. mgkin stroller saya jenis bleh lipat kecik, kdg2,kena gak bijak membeli stroller anak supaya senang isi dalam kenderaan :-). no offence, pendapat saya aje.

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  • squawk on Nov 25, 2009 at 7:04 am

    Ivan said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

    Who wants to buy manual car driving in a city like kl? MPV is all for leisure and comfort. Defeat the purpose if buying a manual MPV. Better buy a van instead! Do you see any high class continental/japs MPV using a manual gearbox?? Better still why not drive a bus instead if u prefer manual version.

    ———-

    4G63tDSM said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 6:16 pm

    Whats wrong with a manual? Not everyone that buys the car lives in KL stuck in gridlock. Whats not to like about 5% better fuel economy and a few grand less in purchase price, and a bit more power when you feel like it. I will never buy an automatic car to drive (my wife will, but I wont)

    Go visit Europe. Tell them Diesel and manual is for Trucks, busses and lorries and see if you get laughed off the street. Never seen a bus with auto gearbox?

    Not quite sure how you come up with that sort of conclusion…LOL

    ——————————-

    4G63, don't forget the lower maintenance of a manual box.

    In Europe, diesel cars are selling so fast they've gone up in price. And they're mostly manual (including high-end cars). America is a total different market where they've been bred on auto box for decades. But there's some Americans who still like to drive stick.

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  • i don't thing Perodua Alza 1.5L Standard is not safe to drive, why everybody say Alza premium is safe?? I thing most of the car we drive is don't have ABS and airbag. Its just can say Alza Premium is more safety but just for good driver!! And i think the prize between Standard & Premium is too high, RM 5000.00 (if you loan 9 years you have to pay more 1687.50 interest).

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  • mockviper (Member) on Nov 25, 2009 at 7:50 am

    hotblood said,

    you are right but 200mm longer+0.3L+seating higher=RM30K. i rather buy another viva for 30K & get extra 4 seats & 4tyres…LOL

    easy way to solve stroller problem, just buy roof box & price is less then RM1500.

    ada bran?

    ——->

    and jgn lupa, kos petrol, parking, service, maintenance, insurance, road tax, tol etc… kena byr utk 2 buah keta, bkn satu ;)

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  • mat tongkol on Nov 25, 2009 at 8:01 am

    aku tak tau nal ckp aper sbb tak tgk lg…….tp mcm sume ckp kecik jer…. anak aku 5…so?

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  • laila on Nov 25, 2009 at 8:13 am

    atually i'm little bit confuse…exora..alza…exora….alza…mmmmmm

    bcoz of fuel compsumtion and comel mcm iii…say yessssssssssssss

    to alza…

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  • boylosong on Nov 25, 2009 at 8:27 am

    Maserati said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 1:11 am

    Proton ,wake up and stop making cars that will benefit the hardcore racers in the country with all those stupid LOTUS engineering bullcrap.

    ===================

    hardcore racers? i dun think so coz hardcore racers need for spid underground honda n nissan bug a standard gen2 at karak but yet still cannot outrun at corners.

    Thanks Proton for givin such a good handling car in standard stock. Save money change parts here n there.

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  • tokmoh on Nov 25, 2009 at 8:39 am

    carcoon said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 11:58 am

    litespeed said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 8:41 am

    Paul Tan is not biasedlah. Only the ISOFIX is a bit over the top. The ISOFIX mounts are all fine and dandy, and costs an arm and a leg to develop. However the real issue here is the ISOFIX child seats themselves- they cost a bomb! Last time I check in UK it costs well over 100 quids. Imagine what’s the price here. Nothing less than RM2000 I reckon. I mean, for the Proton and Perodua buyer demographics, these buggers would rather buy a kapchai than a fancy ISOFIX child seat. The conventional Sweet Cherry type can be bought at RM100 or less ma…

    ————————————————————-

    hi litespeed,

    from your words above, do you mean that WE (Proton and Perodua buyers) are buggers that would rather buy a kapchai than a child seat? your conclusion seems narrow and shallow.

    >>> carcoon : well, that is the TRUTH. The price of safe child seats with ISOFIX is the market price, n judging by how unpopular it is, it shows that msians are too kiam sup when it comes to buying safe child seat with ISOFIX. Some say govt tax it so that's why it's unpopular, but I wonder how true is that claim… Honda have tried to promote child seats with isofix a while back, and they heavily subsidised it IIANM. Guess how much they sold. ZERO.

    Proton, Perodua n Naza are just doing their job: giving customers what they want. And msians don't use ISOFIX at all.

    And no use to compare our people to Europeans. Both of the mentalities are different. One is willing to pay with no complaints. The other don't, and will blame the govt for not subsidising them.

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  • S.Roma on Nov 25, 2009 at 9:06 am

    Give him time to prepare. 5pm launch.

    I have a question:

    Which is better,

    Exora or this D46T. I think this is the only thing which matters most to readers.

    ————————————————————-

    I agree with him, from ur opinion, which 1 is better Paul? Exora or Alza?

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  • orang Tepen on Nov 25, 2009 at 9:09 am

    kereta Perodua punya,

    duit lu punya.

    lu suka lu beli,

    lu tak suka jangan beli.

    jangan buat komen bodoh yang menunjukkan lu punya kebodohan.

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  • S.Roma on Nov 25, 2009 at 9:24 am

    nasurudin said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 7:47 pm

    The Alza and Avanza actually use the same 3SZ-VE engine. ITs a year 04 engine . alamak

    ————————————————————-

    Dear Nasurudin,

    Did u know that VVT-i engine developed in Japan in the year of 1997? It only comes to malaysia om the year 2001 if im not mistaken !

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  • totot on Nov 25, 2009 at 9:46 am

    [quote]

    xvr said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

    looks like many myvi owners will convert to this front clip & lights afterwards haha

    [/quote]

    —————————————————————-

    So its seems like Myvi unable to convert to this Alza front Clips. (Projector lamp, Fender, Bonnet, Bumper, Foglamp…)

    Alza Overall length / width / height (mm), 4205/1695/1620

    Myvi Overall length / width / height (mm), 3750/1665/1550

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  • S.Roma on Nov 25, 2009 at 9:53 am

    jamban said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 2:45 pm

    MPV alza mg sempoi…dh booking dh…cool…jadi tunggu apa lagi..jgn ketinggalan…booking segera..

    ———————————————————–

    P2 Salesman?

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  • S.Roma on Nov 25, 2009 at 10:02 am

    Littlefire said,

    Besides that, by having a good interior design. It prove that even without a 3rd row air-con, you still have good ventilation.

    More bigger & extra blower, means more energy to waste. I think this Alza prove that air-con vents more doesn’t mean that it is efficient. Alza really proved a lot to another competitor.

    ——>>

    are you serious? since ALZA doesnt comes with rear air cond vents that it is good? did you know that they just want to cut down their cost? when it comes to other competitors, im sure u will make it an issue.. it proves that someone will suck up everything that P2 throws at them.. blindly…

    more vents doesnt mean more energy waste, less vents? yes.. they need to operate their air cond at maximum performance, full speed to make sure that the cold air are spread all over the car. with more vents, you dont have to operate it at maximum performance to reach efficient result.. think about it…

    ————————————————————–

    Dear Mockviper,

    I agree with u. Same liek the cc of the engine, avanza 1.3 consumes more than 1.5 !

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  • S.Roma on Nov 25, 2009 at 10:06 am

    Paul Tan said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 5:03 am

    saki77: Please point out to me what part of my report above is biased or unfair.

    I wasn’t trying to provoke anything with the Exora Basic story, I put it that way because it was easier to read, as in what it doesn’t have rather than what it has. Don’t turn everything into a conspiracy.

    While you are accusing me of provoking people into ‘maki’ Proton over here, just yesterday there was a another commenter who accused me of having a “deal” with Proton for their products to look good. So which is which, I wonder? Honestly I feel that to most people, any opinion that doesn’t agree with theirs is deemed biased.

    I’ve already made noise once about the importance of ISOFIX in the Exora story. I think readers get it. The fact that you’re bringing it up here means that you are now aware of the importance of ISOFIX. So I don’t find that repeating myself is necessary. But anyway for your convenience, I have added a reference link to the story.

    ————————————————————–

    Dear Saki77 – look what u have done? u made PT angry ! stupid a$$hole la u !

    Dear PT – thanks 4 the clarification, seem that people always look the neg side rather than positive one ! But, ur answer i can say, more proffesionalisme ! Good 1 !

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  • ThienWu (Member) on Nov 25, 2009 at 11:49 am

    alza… i don't like it, my wife don't like it.. lantak la…

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  • shawal on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    Why fix if its not broken

    VVT-i is a funky name toyota gives they're engine, VTEC for Honda , Sky , renesis for Mazda , Theta , GEMA, TFSI …bla bla bla… , its not a 1997 engine fitted into alza , fuel consumption will be very2 bad

    Its Avanza engine , shud be very good

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  • Automotive_Critics on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    hotblood said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 10:21 pm

    Automotive_Critics said,

    The GL is better with 200mm longer translate to better legroom and 3rd row seating height is higher than this Alza. Also the long wheel base cause intrusion to 3rd row seat in Alza thus can’t seat adult comfortably.

    ___________________

    you are right but 200mm longer+0.3L+seating higher=RM30K. i rather buy another viva for 30K & get extra 4 seats & 4tyres…LOL

    easy way to solve stroller problem, just buy roof box & price is less then RM1500.

    ada bran?

    —————

    I'm not brave to buy both as they're too overpriced. Our G should be blame for this blood sucking price setting standard. I'll stick to my 1985 Toyota LE and wait till when this Government can withstand pressure from the consumer ith this sky high price for cars. Maybe i'll put roof box to my LE and looks nice but white smoke already come out again so i need money to fix it first.

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  • nuajon on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    now exora promotion RM57 k for basic model?? eeeemm size much bigger than ALZA, price >< near to ALZA RM55K, so? be ur rite choice to buy!!! happy buying!!!

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  • tkaira on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    haiya..these people do not read ka before posting..the engine is NOT the same as the one in the vios. its only the SAME like the rush,nutica and avanza ( Toyota 3SZ-VE four-pot ).but the alzas engine is almost entirely made in malaysia while the rush and avanza is made in indonesia. the vios is a totally a different engine..(1NZ-FE 1.5 litre four-pot) which an alluminium block IIANM..so dont go arround telling its engine is the same..haiya….perodua salesman might cheat you into thinking it was the same..

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  • tkaira on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    haiya..these people do not read ka before posting..the engine is NOT the same as the one in the vios. its only the SAME like the rush,nutica and avanza ( Toyota 3SZ-VE four-pot ).but the alzas engine is almost entirely made in malaysia while the rush and avanza is made in indonesia. the vios is a totally a different engine..(1NZ-FE 1.5 litre four-pot) which an alluminium block IIANM..so dont go arround saying its engine is the same..haiya….all of u kne tipu by perodua ..well when i say kne tipu is that the salesman did no clarify with u guys its not the same engine…and hes gonna say "hey same engine like vios what?..sud be very gud"… pah..though the engine in the avanza/rush/nautica is realiable …so no worries lah…just dont say its saem as the vios..pisses the hell out off me..

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  • Kamaroo on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    P*&^mak P2 !!!!

    Give this bloody shit to people with low income + big family…

    Also P@#$%mak to P2 engineers..!!

    You got ur 5 month bonus…the rakyat get ur shit !!!

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  • Kamaroo on Nov 25, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    P2 Salesman…P@#$mak to u all !!

    Came to showroom yesterday…said that only 3 month can get this shit !!

    If want early, pay deposit RM1k…!!

    Haiyaa…don't tipu la, bro! P@#$mak with all these shits…

    Hope God "shitting" u and ur company… penipu rakyat !!

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  • hari ni aku nak p test drive alza…aku tengok dlm utube bontot alza besar dr livina…em wife aku guna livina dah 1 thn.yang lain ok je but quite cramp inside….p kl -png baru ni pasengget tengah mengadu lengoh kaki..tengok dimension alva pendek dr livina…minyak livina save gila…2 ja wife aku bagitau…em aku minat ngan alza ni..

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  • thienWu…go and buy chana era…imported and cheap…

    stfodude…..blah lah weh…lu pakai kancil ciput wa tau…apa kutuk2 alza.cakap ja tak mampu..

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  • 4G63tDSM on Nov 25, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    stream2001 said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

    isofix isofix..my Honda Stream RM150k pun xde isofix.kalau ada pun,berapa orang Msia sanggup beli childseat certified ok yg harga mahal giler.sape yg mampu beli child seat harga RM1000,takkan nak pakai Alza kot?

    anyway bila check tadi,sama je sempit 3rd row alza vs Stream.harga pun kereta MPV paling murah,nak espect best camana pulak..

    —-

    You may not have ISOFIX, but you still have LATCH attachments. Go look behind your 2nd row seats, at the bottom.

    I mampu beli $1000 child seat. Whats wrong with the picture if I buy an Alza? I have better ways to spend my money than on a high depreciating expensive car. But you are right…I'm actualy shopping in the 90-100k range. But $30K extra in investments goes a long way.

    My wife likes it just because it is small and compact, easy to park. There are virtues of being small. For whats it worth, the Exora probably is a better car, but for me, it has the wrong engine, and my wife finds it bulky.

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  • Azlan on Nov 25, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    bila exora pakai 1.6, semua kata underpower

    tp bila alza pakai 1.5, semua kata ok

    pelik kan?

    malaysian mentality memang macam ni ke?

    compare of both, exora much better

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  • gen2lama on Nov 25, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    many people still bising2 pasal resale value…

    taknak rugi, dont get loan longer than 5 years maa…loan 9 /10 tahun…pastu bising value drop…car must drop maa value…

    cermin diri. look at yr budget…how much u can pay per month….then get a car that suit the budget (payment for 5 years max)…

    hey i can still get CASH if i want to let go my gen2…finish the loan earlier…senang cite..

    orang takde duit nafsu besar je pikir pasal resale value ni….

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  • orang miskin on Nov 25, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    mockviper said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

    orang miskin said,

    smlm dh tgk live & dh booking

    mcm kami org miskin nk pakai 7 (5+2) seater model lain x mampu so

    ambil alza yg basic pun jadi lar janji dpt rasa

    ———

    kesian ye org miskin ni…mesti dia tak tau ade model lain yg a bit better dari alza basic ni.. beza dia dalam rm2k jer.. dapat full 7 seater and ada airbag.. nmpk sgt tak buat research dulu ni..

    dh buat research for long term utk budget petrol cuba imagine

    alza weight 1150kg + (7 dewasa x 60kg) = 1570kg with 1.5cc

    exora weight 1422kg + (7 dewasa x 60kg) = 1842kg with 1.6cc??

    sy org miskin kena save petrol mana tahu next year naik lg harga petrol

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  • initial R on Nov 25, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Perodua Alza, Kereta juga MPV…. errr….. bukan Wagon ke ?. Peug 307 SW apsal tak panggil MPV ?. Pun 5+ 2 seat gak ?. Have try climb 3rd row seat, huh… sempit, lemas plak aku. I go to P2 showroom with my staff in my Exora 7 ppl all together to see ether ok or not coz my staff want to book 1 of this thing. All goes in the this call so Alza (franch said naik ?). My staff & me climb at back seat & as aspected what he said, "Aiyahh… krem kaki camnie kalau jalan jauh… rasa lemas plak". All of my staff aggree that this "Alga" just sesuai untuk small family yang nak jejalan dekat area rumah… buat jalan KL>JB kuar dari wagon nie sure pening nyear….. Aircond rasa sesikit aje sebab terhalang dgn my staff kat depan…. Tak leh nak test drive sebab test drive buka untuk sesapa yang booking aje…. Conclusion "Exora boss best lagi dari Alga, esok teman saya gi Proton nak test L line Exora plak… Bleh tak boss ?." Said my staff… "ok, set, lepas kerja"…..

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  • initial R on Nov 25, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    gen2lama said,

    November 25, 2009 @ 9:18 am

    ——————————————–

    Aggre with you bro… Selera nak pakai kereta besar, gaji cukup2 makan….. tak sedar diri.

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  • orang miskin on Nov 25, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    mockviper said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

    orang miskin said,

    smlm dh tgk live & dh booking

    mcm kami org miskin nk pakai 7 (5+2) seater model lain x mampu so

    ambil alza yg basic pun jadi lar janji dpt rasa

    ———

    kesian ye org miskin ni…mesti dia tak tau ade model lain yg a bit better dari alza basic ni.. beza dia dalam rm2k jer.. dapat full 7 seater and ada airbag.. nmpk sgt tak buat research dulu ni..

    dh buat research utk budget petrol cuba imagine

    alza weight 1150 kg + (7 dewasa x 60 kg) = 1570 kg -> 1.5 cc

    exora weight 1422 kg + (7 dewasa x 60 kg) = 1482 kg -> 1.6 cc ??

    sy org miskin kena save petrol mana tau next year petrol naik lg

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  • Wan Ja on Nov 25, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    Kritik sepatutnya membina, bukan membunuh.

    As a Malaysian, we should proud with our products.

    Frankly speak, my Honda pun,byk kali masuk SC for minor and major check.

    Toyota pun mula2 buat kereta, tak larat naik bukit.

    If we as Malaysian tak boleh support, saper lagi? Dengan harapan, one day, P2 will go global.

    Take Proton for example, dulu copycat org punya jugak, now dah boleh buat design sendiri, engin sendiri.

    Walaupun tak pakai proton and perodua, but saya BANGGA.

    Teruskan, one Im strongly percaya, one day dia orang akan telan jugak air liur tu.

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  • cheapshot on Nov 25, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    Dilema untuk keluarga besar:

    – Nak beli Alza, kecik sangat.

    – Nak beli Exora, enjin tak cukup power.

    Ahh, beli Inokom Permas je lah!!

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  • mat preet on Nov 25, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    mpv ni sepatutnya berharga sekitar RM 40k saja.

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  • squawk on Nov 25, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    Chana Era is CKD. :-)

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  • Frankly speaking, rational ppl will opt for exora for new and cheap mpv in the market. Exora offers more value to our money in term of safety, handling, comfort etc. The slightly difference of retail price is immaterial compare to alza if u think about carrying ur whole family around. im just trying to be rational, not blindedly fan of certain brand.

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  • ramai yang condemn keta alza…ingat2 i la,byk yang tak mampu pakai keta besau,tah2 pakai motor kapcai ja.kalau luorang banyak duit,pandai…buat keta sendiri….pasal enjin pun lu bising.ok 2..lama pun.. enjin varian toyota jgk….ingat jepun dah establish dlm hal2 ni…kenapa u all demand sangat…u all takda semangat malaysia langsung…tengok korea ,dia orang support brand negara sendiri,even renalutsamsung yang ciplak nissan sentra

    squawk-ckd 2 pasang kat malaysia,barang impot jgk…kan nak murah

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  • swiftmatrix on Nov 25, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    Don't gado gado la bros…..

    Both Alza & Exora will suit different people with different taste loooo…

    For me… my Toyota Wish did a good job for me…..

    So my point is, what ever car you drive whether it is Porsh, Merc, Beemer, Alza or Exora… you get what you pay….

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  • ok gak. Cuma rasa macam naik keta je.. (rendah) Anyway bravo. warna cantik. Seat dalam kemas. tahniah…

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  • tahr_bss on Nov 25, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    Nice car.. another choice for Malaysian else than Exora. For me both Exora and Alza has their own strength.

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  • nuajon on Nov 25, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    side tepi ada mcm

    changan era shape..

    http://paultan.org/topics/cars/china/changan/

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  • nuajon on Nov 25, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    tkpe nuajon ada iswara and saga blm, nuajon bangga ngn Proton..:-)

    alza ke, avanza ke exora ke..nj tk kisah yg pntg ada kereta hehehee

    tan said,

    November 25, 2009 @ 12:00 pm

    ramai yang condemn keta alza…ingat2 i la,byk yang tak mampu pakai keta besau,tah2 pakai motor kapcai ja.kalau luorang banyak duit,pandai…buat keta sendiri….pasal enjin pun lu bising.ok 2..lama pun.. enjin varian toyota jgk….ingat jepun dah establish dlm hal2 ni…kenapa u all demand sangat…u all takda semangat malaysia langsung…tengok korea ,dia orang support brand negara sendiri,even renalutsamsung yang ciplak nissan sentra

    squawk-ckd 2 pasang kat malaysia,barang impot jgk…kan nak murah

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  • kanasai on Nov 25, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    talking about resale value…

    my yr 2003 kelisa (auto), being sold in this yr aug for RM20K.

    so consider high or low?

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  • 1NZFE (Member) on Nov 25, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    This perodua Alza can export to Indonesia and perodua can import daihatsu luxio from Indonesia. So there will be complete line-up in perodua showroom.

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  • Passed by the showroom last night at 10:45pm and it was PACKED! If the response is anything to go by Alza will outperform Myvi, and the other MPV (although not competing directly).

    Looks as good as Jazz but more room (maybe this is THE selling point).

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  • Prismo on Nov 25, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    mubongok said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

    pandai betul encik prismo..

    RM300 juta untuk buat bumper..abis bodypart 2 import dari jepun ke?

    nak buat bodypart etc pintu, bonet dll kena ada mould..mould tu buat pakai air liur je ke?…production line ingat boleh pakai equipment yg sama ke?

    kalo x tau..x yah ckp..jgn la membongokkan diri anda…dpt info kat web pun komen mcm dah pakar dlm industri automotif…tong kosong!

    ———————————————————–

    Awak mmg pandai… kalo Exora kos develop dia RM450 juta start dari sketch, RnD termasuk mould dan Alza RM300 juta utk buat mould.. jadi bezanya cuma RM150juta.. ko rasa cukup ke utk buat RnD RM150juta tu cuma utk sebuah model baru bermula dari lakaran??

    **********************

    er6n said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 10:28 pm

    ko beli BMW makin lama makin naik harga ker bodo??

    ———————————-

    Ni satu lagi beruk tunggal nih… aku tahulah harga keta makin lama makin turun… sebab tu aku prefer utk beli rumah… lagipun, fakta aku base on my own experiences with own cars… kalo org kata yg harga keta P2 ni resale value dia tinggi.. F**k off la….

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  • emmm,bila dah tengok alza,hati memang dah berkenan.harga pun kira ok la,mampu untuk dimiliki.alza ni memang sesuai untuk family yang tak berapa besar.macam saya la,baru ada seorang baby.tapi kalau nak dicampur ngan father mother n adik beradik lagi 2 orang, masih boleh lagi tapi nak pg dekat-dekat bleh la.kalau nak gi jauh,tak bleh gak sebab banyak barang2 kan. pe2 pun, saya memang suka alza ni n memang berura2 nak book.sekarang masih memikirkan yang mana satu untuk dimiliki, satndard / premium auto. tapi sayang skit la kan,standard tak de airbag…tu jer laaa.yang lain suma dah ok.

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  • komeng on Nov 25, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    kenapa aircon dia depan sahaja? kalau hujan yg belakang tu dapat wap sahaja. dah lah seat kat belakang tu duduk dua orang je. satu lagi, dengar cerita model ni toyota punya. Jangan jadi macam rush. …mati perodua nautica.

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  • Automotive_Critics on Nov 25, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    orang miskin said,

    November 25, 2009 @ 9:55 am

    mockviper said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

    orang miskin said,

    smlm dh tgk live & dh booking

    mcm kami org miskin nk pakai 7 (5+2) seater model lain x mampu so

    ambil alza yg basic pun jadi lar janji dpt rasa

    ———

    kesian ye org miskin ni…mesti dia tak tau ade model lain yg a bit better dari alza basic ni.. beza dia dalam rm2k jer.. dapat full 7 seater and ada airbag.. nmpk sgt tak buat research dulu ni..

    dh buat research for long term utk budget petrol cuba imagine

    alza weight 1150kg + (7 dewasa x 60kg) = 1570kg with 1.5cc

    exora weight 1422kg + (7 dewasa x 60kg) = 1842kg with 1.6cc??

    sy org miskin kena save petrol mana tahu next year naik lg harga petrol

    ———————-

    For Alza you can't seat 2 person with 60kg in third row. So you can't compare with Exora. You need to use express bus or taxi for this additional 60kg person. After calculate it, it will more costly than 7 people cruising together in Exora.

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  • i'm a malaysian, so i support both proton and perodua..

    for me, exora and alza have their own speciality…

    if i'm a woman, i'll buy alza rather than exora…

    if i've big family, i'll surely buy exora without any doubt…

    so guys, make a right choice!!!

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  • hotwheeler on Nov 26, 2009 at 12:16 am

    buat ape beli alza, beli karipap lagi bagus

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  • babygirl on Nov 26, 2009 at 12:48 am

    Avanza ? Alza ?

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  • neo is the best!!!!!

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  • body besa..enjin xleyh blah. mane la padan..wakaka

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  • Anonymous on Nov 26, 2009 at 2:23 am

    Will it drift? :-)

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  • Wikipedia may be able to answer a lot of whinnies abt it's size. if not mistaken this is classified as a compact MPV in Japan, and the original Toyota ad targets lady drivers, with small family (I heard Perodua targets 30-40 years old with young family), so if u r 6ft5 and 170kg, dont like to use condom and have half-dozen of kids, you are barking at the wrong tree.

    Note the "space wagon" comment so it is not far from local comments. (and i dont see why people has problem with calling it a wagon… like the mere mention of wagon turn YOU into a sissy that looks like @ntiPerOdua!)

    here goes:

    A Compact MPV is a car classification used in Europe to describe multi-purpose vehicle versions of small family cars (sometimes also referred to as "compact cars"), fitting between the mini MPV and large MPV sub-segments. In Japan, the term "space wagon" is sometimes used to refer to this type of vehicle.

    Compact MPVs can be classified by their number of seats. Some compact MPVs referred to as six-seaters have three seats both in the front and rear row — examples are the Fiat Multipla and the Honda FR-V. Five and seven-seaters have a more traditional configuration — the first and (if present) third rows with two seats and the middle row with three. The two rear seats are usually smaller than the others, enough for children or for short distances.

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  • and going by height, Alza is more MPV than wagon.

    Wikipedia:

    "estates are under 1500 mm and compact MPVs above 1600 mm tall."

    which makes Livina (1590mm) .. u guess it, a wagon! :-P

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  • Johny 5ive on Nov 26, 2009 at 3:17 am

    i think it is not justified to call P2 a liar for spending 300million only for a copy car from daihatsu.Please bear in mind that 70% of the cost of making a car comes from the powertrain.It is the heart of the car.Imagine all the powertrain technology available in the market like vtec,cps to name few which personalize the product. Based on information, P2 spends most of the development cost in developing and enhancing their own engine manufacturing plant. The machining,casting and assembling process of the engine unit must be made in house.This process requires investment in terms of equipment, raw material, skill and knowledge.To further justify this,P1 cylinder head for their CPS model is made in P2.Plus in order to get the best selling price for this model which will benefit the people and the company, the government tax must be reduced. It is known that in order to obtain minimum gov tax, 90% of the car content must be locally made.That's why P2 is pushing hard to produce most of its part locally and that's where the part of the 300million came from.

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  • jontyan on Nov 26, 2009 at 5:56 am

    Not bad but prefer Exora because I already have a smaller car. At least it doesn't come with Myvi's Rafidah's fat ass™.

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  • jontyan on Nov 26, 2009 at 5:58 am

    It = Alza

    Cheers! ;)

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  • jontyan on Nov 26, 2009 at 6:02 am

    I mean, at least Alza doesn't have that fat ass™

    I wonder whether they're still using the satay/luk luk stick as safety beam for bumper.

    Besides that, great car!

    Cheers ;)

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  • amwatchin (Member) on Nov 26, 2009 at 6:29 am

    i believe most negative comments here are from proton staff. Working very hard to save their exola #$%..ha..ha

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  • ThienWu (Member) on Nov 26, 2009 at 7:09 am

    tan said,

    November 25, 2009 @ 7:16 am

    thienWu…go and buy chana era…imported and cheap…

    ————————————————————

    tan.. already got my stream & CPS.. no need to bazir on this so called "MPV"

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  • just went to see the Alza today.

    to be frank, i only like the engine…

    Exora base line model has 1 airbag, at least….

    and RM57K, larger space, Exora has more value money than the Alza base model.

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  • JKucing on Nov 26, 2009 at 7:14 am

    some ppl call it myvi enhanced version :D

    so……….third row can fit two 160cm ladies or not?

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  • GadgetFreq on Nov 26, 2009 at 8:43 am

    Nice review, PT. IMHO Alza served more like stationwagon. Not intended to put 7 people in the first place but in case of emergency it's possible to do that (but not for a long journey). It works great with 5 people plus extra luggage. I agree its a bit pricey but for the look and brand I (and after my experience with Kenari & Myvi) I'm willing to put my bet again on Perodua. *Keep up the good work! (*If there is perodua staff reading this).

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  • ahmadinejad on Nov 26, 2009 at 8:50 am

    salam….semua kereta malaysia bagus utk org malaysia……biasa ler org yg kutuk kereta buatan sendiri mcm tong kosong tak tahu apa2 sbb org yg terlibat dalam proses membangunkan kereta malaysia jer yg faham…bermula dari R&D sehinggalah ke proses pengeluaran….utk menjadi seperti BMW bukan dengan sekelip mata……byk kegagalan awal sebelum BMW atau kereta mewah yg lain menjadi begitu berjaya…..kalau setakat komen menghentam saja nampak sangat ler betapa bodohnya org itu…..biasa ler org jenis fanatik dan hasad dengki……kalau rasa tak patriotik pada barangan buatan negara sendiri lebih baik tukar kerakyatan….tak perlu hipokrit…..hujan emas negeri org hujan batu negeri sendiri….lebih baik negeri sendiri……saya dah merantau lama kat luar negara…..barangan buatan malaysia adalah yg terbaik……malaysia boleh……

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  • JACK HAMMER on Nov 26, 2009 at 9:21 am

    amwatchin said,

    i believe most negative comments here are from proton staff. Working very hard to save their exola #$%..ha..ha

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    u can believe what u want to believe la.. perodua staff..

    and believe that 55K tin milo wagon (without any safety features) is ok..

    u must be unbelievable stupid..

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