PEMANDU, a government think tank led by Minister in Prime Minister’s Department Idris Jala tasked with formulating proposals to reduce the country’s government subsidy budget has recommended a petrol price hike of 15 sen for RON95 and 10 sen for diesel.
This is the petrol price hike schedule which we’ll be looking at, based on a crude oil forecast of US$73.06 per barrel in 2011 and the region of between US$79.41 to US$94.52 per barrel between 2013 and 2015.
- Current 2010 Price – RM1.80 per litre RON95
- Q3/Q4 2010 Price Hike – RM1.95 per litre RON95
- 2011 Price Hike – RM2.16 per litre RON95 (broken into 2 hikes, once per 6 months)
- 2012 Price Hike – RM2.20 per litre RON95
- 2013 Price Hike – RM2.34 per litre RON95
- 2014 Price Hike – RM2.52 per litre RON95
- 2015 Price Hike – RM2.60 per litre RON95
These are just the proposed hikes for RON95. RON97 was not mentioned in the recommendations, which indicates that the government is further decreasing priority on RON97 subsidies. We could see a price of way over RM3 per litre for RON97 by 2015.
Not only that, the proposal recommends that the government renegotiate the PLUS toll concession contract this year and the LDP contract by 2013, then all toll concession agreements must proceed without any subsidies, resulting in a toll hike of between 10% to 67% depending on the highway, distance, etc from this year onwards.
For those dreaming of a future of driving electric cars, electricity tariffs are to be untouched for those using less than 200 kWh for this year. However gas prices are proposed to be increased by RM3/MMBTU every 6 months, which will translate to an electricity increased of 1.6 sen/kWh every 6 months. If we take the Nissan Leaf’s 24kWh battery as an example, that’s a RM0.38 hike per full charge for the Nissan Leaf every 6 months. LPG, which is priced at RM24.50 has been proposed to be hiked to RM27 with a 20% price increase every year.
The proposal also spells out a “mitigation plan” which involves giving cash rebates of 126 ringgit for owners of cars with engines smaller than 1,000cc in capacity, and 54 ringgit for owners of small motorcycles. My reference source doesn’t mention of this is one time, monthly, or yearly. There is also a proposal for a 20% discount on toll charges for frequent users and a cash rebate of RM20 for anyone with a Malaysian IC – not sure what this cash rebate is for but I’m assuming it’s for fuel?
According to PEMANDU this will save the government about 3 billion ringgit this year, 14 billion ringgit next year, 21 billion ringgit in 2012, 29.5 billion ringgit in 2013 and 35 billion ringgit in 2014. These plans are yet to be approved by the government.
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as if there’s no other way to cut gomen expenditure.. spend our monet WISELY then all this raise issue is not needed!
a slap to our pm mouth so called 1 malaysia, kerajaan di dahulukan, rakyat di belakang. are they saying that all our country income goes to subsidies? bankrupt by 2019?
where is the money saved from subsidies go? any1 who is really sure with proof know?
what happens if the company ur working wants to cut ur pay so it wont go bankrupt?
change ur job rite….change ur company.
its just a piece of scrap bro. after HE said, there is no report that what all HE said is true.
Dont worry, G never turn to be what he shouldnt do. there are learn form PRU12.
i hope so
When fuel price get to RM2.60 for the RON 95, I’ll get myself an updated model of the Perodua VIVA . When fuel prices go up, price of other things also go up. I don’t know why the powers that be do not want our power grids to generate electricity with wind turbine power. After all wind is free ! Then fuel prices can be cheaper.
Not because of Proton and the AP, the hybrid car can help government save a lot of money. Government still can increase the petrol price but it will not affect us as we are using hybrid car. Now you see how much a hybrid car cost?? no eye see dy.
And don’t ever dream about electric car, not even hybrid car. If they are sincere enough to reduce fuel usage, they would bring in high efficiency modern clean diesel engine cars a few decades ago. Then they can sell palm oil diesel at RM3 per liter also no problem.
I’m sure when people start using hybrids and electric cars the G will find a way to get $$ from us as fuel is one of the biggest way for them to earn $$.. So can u just imagine if everyone is using hybrid and electric cars?? Sure the G wont have any $$ to earn anymore
Hybrid car so expensive la…
even i can remem last time that Honda ask our gov to make the price cheaper…
i think the message in this blog sums it all up perfectly re the matter of removing subsidies altho the language is a tad crude and direct, but hey, its times like this that frankness goes a long way:
http://zorro-zorro-unmasked.blogspot.com/2010/05/idris-play-your-guitar-shut-up.html
Tony Pua “I think IPPs (Independent Power Producers) was highlighted quite well up there, they take about RM13 billion in gas subsidies per year. Compare that against food subsidy bill, RM3.4 billion. Where should the government be focusing their attention on?”
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/dap-says-cuts-cannot-be-limited-to-subsidies/
Stop spending money on our F1 team, and thats called save money! I don’t mind the price hike but at least repaif those road nicely and pot holes as well, We as a rakyat always pay expensive things such as tol, road tax (for using a worst road), international car brand because of national cars etc.
err… who spend money on F1? its has been half season ald, you still haven’t get the picture right do you?
the money come from cronies, where you think the cronies money coming from, our tax money … i assume you are 10 yrs old, living 10 yrs and you still haven’t get the pic right do you ?
Air Asia get 25% discount on airport tax arrears to MAHB. So, where the money came from? It is from that disount ma.
precisely….cudn’t agree more mate
i’m all for the removal of subsidies…however we must also consider both sides of the coin here.
way back when the subsidies were implemented, im darn sure the gomen had to supplement their income from other sources, ie, taxes (both direct and indirect) which takes many forms, car duties, road tax, income tax etc, which is principally what is being done in many countries around us.
the removal of subsidies must henceforth be carried out in conjunction with the removal of those other taxes which was put in place to cater for the loss in revenue from giving out subsidies.
in short, i am saying that the gomen needs to be FAIR and ACCOUNTABLE to the people and not just remove the subsidies at this juncture just to have more money in the gomen coffers only for it to be lost to inefficiencies, lack of transparency, corruption etc.
remember the gomen WORKS for the people and not the other way round
Well, before the government think of cutting the subsidy,they should think about how to reduce their overspending and also on the purchase of these raw materials at a higher price than usual. For eg, our tenaga generates electricity by burning coal. Do they publish at what price they are purchansing the coal to generate the electricity today? I beleieve they are purchasing at a higher price than a normal commodity trader can buy direct from the miner. So why do we need to buy the raw material than normal global price currently? If you look into the CPO price that has been published in share martker, however the seller sells at lower price than published or capped price to be more competitive for their buyers. All this plight can be encapsulated in a single word. “CORRUPTION” and today’s corruption in malaysia has been rooted where we cannot chop off by single hand.
Where does the profits from Petronas goes to?
Where got gomen fund lotus F1? Show the proof. Dont just talk rubbish.
Agree. It just to gain fame over world by burning up precious money.
Agreed with Victor.. Please please please do something with the road.. eventhough driving in the city, the feel is still like rallying off road.. Change the unperformed contractors and if it because of the construction method, change the other way. There is a lot way to build better roads. Rakyat paid a lot…but what we get?
Wow at this rate, all our money would be used on fuel and electricity by 2020. Bring on the Nuke….
spend more on solar. high initial cost, but very very very low energy production cost.
to be completely honest, the best solar collector efficiency is just hovering about 20%. certainly it’s increasing but it still require more and more time & research. i know about this solar thingy thing because that I learned as a final year mechanical engineer undergrad at PETRONAS uni… so, if we were to use solar as the renewable energy, we need more grant, policy, etc from the Government because their support is the catalyst for future utilisation…
to be completely honest, the best solar collector efficiency is just hovering about 20%. certainly it’s increasing but it still require more and more time & research. i know about this solar thingy thing because that what I learned as a final year mechanical engineer undergrad at PETRONAS uni… so, if we were to use solar as the renewable energy, we need more grant, policy, etc from the Government because their support is the catalyst for future utilisation…
Didn’t they taught you good English at UTP?
You are forgetting the relative efficiency, or rather lack of it, of our national grid. The way I see it, Nuclear power plant is the future for Malaysia.
we signed a treaty long long time ago, ZOPPAN
http://www.aseansec.org/3636.htm
im not sure if it applies to nuclear power plants tho…
I think global warming is an indication that we need to start using solar power , with all that money saved by the gov, im sure they can do it!
with euro value now down. its time to brain-drain some euro engineers
Replace those RAPID KL bus with Hybrid bus ( solar panel on the roof, and it runs on NGVs!, lightweight construction as well )….
It’s funny how some people like to point out other people’s grammatical mistakes in websites and blogs like this. Hey, this is not an English class.
Good English is the way to go, but brother, if you want to correct others, make sure your English is immaculate too, it’s “didn’t they TEACH you” , not “didn’t they TAUGHT you”. Sad..
nuclear resources still considered as non renewable energy as sooner or later, the resource would deplete and we have to find other type of energy.
solar panel just still has long way to go before it’s considered viable to power up engines…hopefully with the on going research worldwide we may use it in few years to come as solar energy is definitely the most cheapest type of energy may be harnessed as sun radiation is abundant and it will be that way for few thousand years more. =)
what so great about perfect english……….the german, japanese, korean, french bla bla bla.speak crapppppp english….who dont bother to speak it properly as long as the message understood……….but they are wayyyyyyy forward than us………..whose sometimes more englishhhhhhh and more americannnnn than the whole american and england……………
It’s always fun to poke a UTP student. They’re an interesting bunch =P
well, most of the people outside UTP are envy of us…we got into a controlled uni, people need to pass the interview, test etc to get a placement…
hopefully by that time, public transportation improved significantly and all of us in no need of wide 6 lane highway so that there’s no need to implement any traffic improvement project and there would be more saving for government.
hey PEMANDU, while at it, reduce the rider escort from the current 4-6 rider every entourage to just 1 or just take public transport, get to know your people.
1st said ron97 is expensive in the market, tats y govt bring in the ron95, but now? ron95 also hike. Is a con job!
next time our G will introduce RON92..hahaha
no subsidy = reduce tax substantially for cars…i dont mind if that happen
in long run, u will sakit la to maintain the car..haiyoo…=(
ya.. vios j only 22k without tax.. but sells at 7xk. remove subsidy.. remove protection pls.
AGREE 100% withat that !
yeap..the best move if govt really want to remove subsidy. oversea like that..exp petrol but cheaper car.
cheaper cars doesn’t mean we’ll be rushing to buy beemers and mercedes..
The situation in malaysia now, we’re ‘FORCED’ to buy Proton and Perodua, but the equivalent european cars from Volkswagen and FIAT are pioneering downsized turbocharged engines (3-cylinder turbocharged) (Multiair), they consume much less fuel than proton and peroduas but produce more power, sumore these cars are better engineered and produced and safer. Hybrids also are a good option,.
If KIA can hire germans designing their cars…why can’t we? National carmaker should have government financial support , im sure nobody will oppose the idea….
what is a national carmaker? why do we still have one when all other govt enterprises like power and telecoms have been privatised?! it is precisely why the ppl get steamed when the govt says it has no money and so must save on subsidies. so why subsidise proton?! why should it subsidise the few thousand proton employees rather the millions that it claims to put above all else.
1 malaysia hypocrisy cakap tak serupa bikin!
i’m totally agreed with the meter shown there… the moment u get a full tank for your beloved car, ur wallet will empty until break a hole…
mau x mau memang kena kurangkan beban subsidi, tapi salah urus dana, rasuah adalah agenda utama kerajaan sepatutnya. brapa billion (trillion?) duit hilang kot rasuah sejak merdeka?
Instead of focusing on increasing fuel prices, why not focus on promoting more fuel saving cars? Diesel is for sure. Have better incentives for buying a diesel car. The more fuel saving a car/suv is, the lower the import tax. I dare anyone challenge the notion that the latest green diesels are not as clean as petrol engines.
2. Improve LRT lines so people can avoid using cars.
3. Channel money transparently. We have all heard of the RM3 screw and the RM10k laptop that the gov tries to pass of as a development project. Common!
4. Increase wages. Working at McDonalds makes you about RM5 an hour while doing the same job in Australia makes you RM 27 an hour.
5. Stop piggybacking P1 so that the motor industry can REALLY grow.
6. Encourage foreign companies to invest here. We can find quality workforce, if we pay well enough.
That’s all folks!
P.s- I hate the fake term “gomen”. Please either use the full correct word (government) or stick to an abbreviation (gov). Malaysians CAN speak good English!
4. Increase wages. Working at McDonalds makes you about RM5 an hour while doing the same job in Australia makes you RM 27 an hour.
err..what is the price of set meal in mcd aus? 7-10 aud rite? even simple nasik goreng at indon restaurant in melbourne can cost u 8aud per plate. so mind ur word.
the rest i agree with u.
What is your point? Nasi Goreng is expensive in Australia? Well, for one, its a foreign delicacy, so you pay a premium.
In australia, happy meal cost around aud5-6.. and u get paid around aud14-16 per hour working with mcD
here.. happy meal cost around rm8-9.. and u get paid around rm4.50-rm5 per hour.
see the difference??
i was working part-time in melbourne before (last 2years before graduated) for aud17 per hour (cherry factory).. and i work for 8 hours for most of the summer time.. calculate how much i got.. hhaha.. (hint: when i came back i bought an apartment in kl :)
have u been to indonesian restaurant in melbourne? cant remember the adress since it’s only walking distance from my hotel..but it’s not a luxury restaurant..small and tight..food is not cheap in australia.simple fish and chip at food court can cost u no less than 10aud.
Agree !
But the wages is higher !
Why a lot of malaysian people like to work there? More advantages then disadvantages !
If govt want to remove subsidy they should raise the income per capita of malaysian first la….. Just look at Korea for example – FUel price is about RM5 / litre but no people compaint abt it. U know why? Bcoz their income per capita is high. An average teacher earn about RM20-30k /mth while the lowest income earner like general worker/ bus driver can earn about RM6k /mth……
How much does we earn here in MY ?
WOW! That goooooodddd..Thanks to the G.. those who vote for current G shud thanks and nothing to complaint about…
Increase….Increase until RM10 per liter also i dont care already….
Coz the G only have remaining 2 years time before the next general election :)
I can foresee the inflation will go high but our wages remains…
Always says save money, but i dont see any developments going on
haHA..
im agree with you…
only the gov says the development can bring on in Malaysia.
The reason why they increase it by period is to reduce the after effect of inflation.
we still don’t know yet..this could change..wait..see..and vote..
Well, this has nothing to do with things like F1, proton,etc….
Besides, do you guys know that Proton is actually making money instead of losing? The fuel issue, in my opinion is trying to ensure that the gap between the price of the malaysia fuel and other countries’ pricing would not be a big gap. Besides, if you guys should know that the fuel are limited now and the demand of it is increasing thus there is a hike and increase of prices.
Besides, in our country, its already heavily subsidized. Its quite fair.
I agree. Though Proton is a GLC company, but still they have to make their own money.
p/s Higher fuel price, slower Wajavo and Wiravo on the roads.
Yeah right ‘make money’. Make money after posting multiple losses in the years before. It would take them ages to recover that loss rakyat money (in billions).
Remember, “one right, doesn’t fix all the wrongdoings of your entire life”.
No pain, no gain.
“making the rich richer, while making poor poorer” policy……thnx BN govt…i’ll love it :x
Government must stop unnecessary leakages before reducing subsidy. Hopefully we can change the government before the subsidy rate change.
IMHO, the change (decrease) in subsidy rate is a way of stopping unnecessary leakage. When subsidy 4 petrol & diesel reduced, price difference in comparison to our neighbours, esp Thailand will also be reduced, hence reducing the rate of fuel being smuggled out to Siamland.
But b4 subsidies be reduced/abolished, Malaysian needs 2 be freed frm the middle income trap first, i.e. becoming a high income nation. Just my 2 cents, i’m not an economist :-P
Government subsidy on petrol is nonsense. Cars are made for those who are can and willing to pay petrol. For those who think that petrol is expensive, there are always other alternative for this. When you fix an air con, you already know that the bill will surely increase when you use it. The same goes to cars.
Btw, sometimes it is good to have petrol price hikes, smooth traffic even on busy morning.
Except for the night when the new price is announced. Hate the jam.
Government subsidy on petrol is nonsense? Try saying that to Brunei, Saudi Arabia and other oil producing country. Think before you TYPE.
not all subs…only few subs
it’s funny to see that in the comments shouting to keep subsidies, none bother to take notice that we will be a net fuel importer by 2011. that’s next year people. by next year, whatever money used to keep fuel price flow will surely flow out to a foreign country. should i even point out where is the largest oil refinery in SEA is ladies and gentlemen?
of course, i don’t mind unsubsidized fuel if…
* real world car prices, not over-tax to protect certain industries…
* re-investment in public transport.. (be realistic, ROI on public transport is faster on high density city centers then in ulu place somewhere in perak)
* higher quality of fuel so we can start using new techs engines (clean diesel, lean burn mode on fuel injection engines, etc…)
** side note: RON is not really important, US is only using RON 91 but due to their emission standard, they have access to ultra low emission vehicles,,,
by doing those measures, higher price for fuel for those people living in cities (where the majority of Malaysian will live in the next 10 years) will be insignificant…
but alas, malaysian are too short sighted and only like free-stuff…
hehe net importer b4 2011 only affected tganu offshore eheh u shud go to sarawak & see the offshire industries…. last few month back 5 NEW oil rig already been up & in operation & 1 more to start operation within weeks from now in Bintulu ;p
that’s gas due…not oil….get your info from reliable source dude…don’t just jump to the conclusion…observe…
U can say that because u have a lot of money !
about time
What a useless MINISTER, Instead of finding ways to be more efficient in Gov
operations and get more revenue for the country, he choose the easiest way which
is to ADD BURDEN TO RAKYAT, is this the slogan 1Malaysia people first???????
I wonder is that WHOLE MALAYSIA dont have a better brain person to take his minister position……
if 100% efficient pun…cannot get so much rev…
kimi.. do u have a BETTER BRAIN.. if yes, please take da minister job..
I really don’t care if the fuel price increase,what I want is cheaper car and cheaper proton,and also proton cars with new engine that can save a lot of fuel,and please G,if you really wanna support from all Malaysian,please build a better public transport,build a better road,and to proton,please introduce a new engine that proton only use 4 litres per 100km.
This is the price we have to pay to be a Developed Country..!!!! Soon, everything will be open market like US..! Market demand will decive everything…!!!
and one more thing,if the fuel price increase,fuel quality should also increase,we want euro4 diesel!
couldn’t agree more. Bring in the EURO4 diesel and cheap European wheels that could take advantage of the fuel. =)
y E4 diesel involve…the propose increase is RON95
KZM: Here is how the logic goes
First, I want an oversea marques car at cheap price, preferably the Germans. which means that the gov should remove or reduce the duty.
Second, once the conti car arrived, we need suitable fuel for that car and here is when the Euro4 comes to play…Personally, I want a diesel car such as VW Polo BlueMotion so that I could fill up the tank less compared to petrol and save more. Then, I can use the money for other usage.
For time being, the best diesel available in our country as u might realised is EURO2 which is doesn’t compliant to the required fuel type for the aforementioned car.
yes.. that is why we don’t have Isuzu D-max 7 seater… becoz d-max 7 seater only can use euro 3 diesel and above… we don’t have that car coz it cannot run with current diesel that we have here…
Yeap. Agree to this.
From thestar—Idris Jala: M’sia must cut subsidies, debt by 2019 or risk bankruptcy
The maim cause is that this GOV is useless and dont know how to manage this country, corruption….
OPEN the car market price and i DONT CARE you INCREASE how many petrol price….
RAKYAT are now SUBSIDISNG the car price, so, G should SUBSIDISING petrol price back too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do you concern about cars only. There are more factors than lowering car price.
coz we are in paultan.org not malaysiakini???
there r many thing beside car…medical, edu, food, house, electricity, water…
Lol..we’r in car forum/blog..of course we talk abt cars.
This kind of ppl is those who cant afford a proper car and keep complaining the price….they donno what will actually happened when fuel price increase….
the 1st thing will increase is our daily teh tarik panas start increasing and so does our nasi lemak and chicken rice. daily expenses will increase so does TNB tariff soon.
Car price is the thing he can worried about when food and other main factors which should be worried about.
Ya right. Before this, we buy cars as a to show we are rich, but now it is necessities to have at least a Kancil in a house. But foremost, the main thing is food.
Yes, we are in a car blog/forum, but those things are not the main factors. And one more thing, Mr kimi and Mr umno juara tipu rakyat, lowering the car market price won’t effect the subsidies. That’s for sure.
Because we talk about the fuel price hike… the fuel use for cars… sure we talk about it… why u cant relate it ar?
Are we talking about cooking oil? Lolx !
NO. We’re talking about subsidies.
aiyooo bro, u think it easy to govern a country…. i monitor 14 people also got headche… although i against the price hike….n pleez dont call ppl useless, stupid or whatsoever…
Idris Jala looking at wrong place to cut stuff.
Example UK government are doing to tackle their debt:
1. Cutting ministerial cars by 1/3 of current cars. Care to be redeployed accross agencies. So agencies share the same official car.
2. More ministers should use public transport to Westminster
So if take that into account in Malaysia situation:
1. Cut perks for government travel
2. Stop police outrider for non-essential stuff
3. Ministers should take the RapidKL to Putrajaya. Only problem is there are no taxis and there are infrequent busses at the Putrajaya ERL terminal. It is used more as a car park for people going other places than for people visiting the capital.
Other sources of income:
1. Prosecute the PKFZ people. RM 0.9bil profit no match for RM 15bil+ in wasted funds.
2. No more under the table bribes.
3. More transparency. A minister’s income is high but its not that high to afford lavish overseas expendetures.
Cause the way I see it, We the rakyat pay tax for politicians to represent us at the top. If cannot serve us why bother keep at the top, right?
we should keep the politicians underground, bury them alive..hahaha..=)
Cut the wastage by civil service & the abusers of subsidies.
Why are IPPs getting subsidized gas? Why are contracts with crony companies written in such a way that favours the crony (eg. PLUS, Indah Water etc)? Why are tax payer’s money funding sucha a large number of civil servants? Why are these civil servants wasting our money with purchases that are clearly inflated/manipulated pricing?
I am now in Taiwan. The govt here had just announced to reduce the fuel price by NTD$ 1.10 few days ago due to the drop of crude oil price. The new price now is NTD$ 29.40 for Ron95 but bare in mind that they are not fuel producing country and their new Toyota Camry 2.0E is only selling at NTD$ 810,000. So, judge yourself… (Rough conversion rate: RM 1.10 = NTD$ 10)
thats about ~RM3 per liter
yes so it should be coz they are an oil importing nation! but take note the price of the camry, about rm81k! so answer me this! why are we paying “out of this world” car prices and soon “real world” petrol prices?!
Removing the subsidy is a good thing. However, can the govt give a 5 year plan and the years after as well what are they planning to do with the savings of the removal of the subsidy? Remove and improve~
the government should look at their officials expenses before raised price on consumer goods i.e the government officials spend duit rakyat like no one business esp on travelling. When the government cut the subsidies and able to save billions of ringgit and this money still goes to their kroni ie on project tendering. And look whose getting the most of it from this no other than the kronis. I dare to say this becos i knew this kroni who lives in same house compound as i am. He changed and bought car like changing his clothes. I am not being jealous as i am wealthy as well but duit rakyat that comes from tax etc should be spend wisely bt the government!
so long as money saved is spent wisely & not on those “lavish ‘study’ trips” or “buying properties meant for others”, please do the needful & help the citizens effectively & transparently.
STOP funding F1 Team, STOP funding angkasawan (Totally USELESS), STOP Corrupting people with taxpayer money during election, STOP giving entertainment allowances… STOP this… STOP that…
If i continue with the list.. im afraid that paultan.org’s storage will be used up…
That is the Way How You Cut The Expenditure!!
And stop buying Submarines which do not work.
agreed..but the point is 90% of gov’s debt came from Mahathir’s era..now ‘hutang awam Malaysia’ raise more than RM300bil..52% from GDP..Mahathir build the GRANDEST things not from cash penny, just debt..Putrajaya, Protong(kereta Keranda),KLCC…see how our economy collapse in 1998..
craziest things ever!! when gov fail the manage their debt!!
just thinking not to increase debt or our future generation will suffer…
now i realize why Barry Wain’s book stuck at kelang port…hahaha…now i know why
What i can see about Barry Wain: “kuman seberang lautan nampak tapi gajah depan mata tak kelihatan”
it’s propaganda to blame on one person rather to help lot of people. What if that book is inaccurate and mislead Malaysian reader to riot as in Thailand recently.
Tun should run away like thaksin did long time ago if that book said true about him.
sorry guyz…it’s like history books…it alwayz tell the true story..just mahathir is Tun..so he’s immune to the law…if mahathir like south korean;’ president, Roh Moo-hyun alleged for mismanagement and suicide… jumped to his death while hiking in the mountains behind his rural home in South Korea
if TDM think he’s in right path..so wasn’t instruct Rais Yatim to block Barry Wain’s book at kelang port..kalau tak salah, tak payah la takut
if korean have ‘Tun’ in South Korea…former president, ‘Tun’ Roh Moo Hyun will never thinking committing suicide after he has misused public fund and bribery scandal in his era…Roh scandal merely around 20million won…
apa masalahnya dengan projek mahathir.. tahun 1998 satu dunia ada krisis.. xkan buat klcc kat malaysia, satu dunia gawat… x reti bersyukur.. xdak mahathir.. negara malaysia ni sampai sekarang x dapat bangun balik hang tau dak???? hang jangan lupa.. waktu kegawatan ekonomi.. mahathir bagi bonus dekat kakitangan awam… negara lain semua pecat dan potong gaji.. malaysia ja bagi bonus… hang x layak nak kutuk mahathir.. IMF dan BANK DUNIA sendiri dah mengaku yg mahathir hebat… dulu semua pakar2 ekonomi ramal malaysia akan jatuh tersungkur.. apa yg jadi.. {Pemulihan ekonomi malaysia adalah yg terbaek di dunia.. China pon tiru cara mahathir.. presiden dia sendiri mengaku… Sekarang ni
Amarika pon terus terang mengaku yg dia guna cara Malaysia untuk pulihkan ekonomi dia… HANG KALAU TAK TAU EKONOMI> SEDANGKAN TERANG LAGI BERSLUH SATU DUNIA IKTIRAF MAHATHIR HEBAT.. Takdak KLCC, orang x kenal malaysia… takdak litar sepang, orang x kenal Malaysia… Orang x kenal malaysia, maka pelancong x datang… pelabur x masuk… jangan lupa, masa mahathir pm, banyak projek masuk.. BMW jadikan Malaysia hub serantau…. Syarikat besar semua nak mai Malaysia.. Jepun hentikan loan kepada Malaysia, sebab dia kata MALAYSIA adalh negara yg sudah maju dan mampu berdiri atas kaki sendiri.. Waktu kegawqatan ekonomi dulu RAKYAT HIDUP SENANG.. MAKAN CUKUP>. NEGARA LAIN SEMUA RAKYAT SUSAH.. NAK MAKAN PON TAKDAK.. Ramai bunuh diri…. WAKTU kegawatan ekonomi, takdak sorang pon rakyat Malaysia mati kebuluran.. Nelayan dan penoreh getah pon dapat makan… KRISIS 1997-1998 TAKDAK KENA MENGENA DENGAN MAHATHIR dan klcc… SATU DUNIA ALAMI… Negara lain lagi teruk…. Hang main cakap suka hati ja.. takat belajaq Ekonomi asa kat sekolah menengah, jangan nak pandai2 buat statement… SEMUA TAU MALAYSIA SELAMAT SEBAB MAHATHIR… Hutang banyak sebab PAKLAH x berjaya tarik pelabur… APA PUNYA ORANG…. MASA KEGAWATAN EKONOMI, kita selamat sebab ada pemimpin bijak MACAM MAHATHIR dan DAIM ZAINUDDIN…. Semua orang tau, Mahthir diiktiraf sebagai salah seorang dari 3 ahli politik paling bijak didunia… Negara barat pon buat kajian mengenai cara pemikiran Mahahtir…
aduhai dangkalnya anda hiruma kecil..btoi ke 1998 tu krisis ekonomi ‘dunia’..nmnya pn ‘asian’ economic crisis 1997..so yg terpalit pn negara asia..south korea, indonesia, thailand, filipina, Malaysia..
jgn tertipu, dr capital control, Nor Mohamed Yaacob(arkitek kawalan modal) meniru dr China..China dh laksana beberapa siri kawalan modal d thn 50an,70an dan siri 90an hngga kini utk buat Yuan undervalued…hah..jgn tak tau..malaysia ‘rebound’ balik dr krisis adalah negara kedua pulih dan satu2nya negara krisis yg jatuh balik..igt balik sbb apa buat kawalan modal??secara rahsia kerajaan malaysia meminjam wang dr Komunis china utk survive lepas krisis..imbalannya ada petukaran dgn sawit dan getah..haha..jgn tertpu bro..
sbb projek mahathir kita berhutang byk smpi skrg..kalo projek tu dgn duit cash takpe tp semuanya hutang..hampir 100bil..hutang awam malaysia dh cecah 52% dr GDP..nie namanya boros..kalo tidak kita dh dkt mcm Greece..tgk Krisis Dubai 2009, sama la mcm 1998, k’jaan belanje secara boros dan mengakibatkan kejatuhan bursa yg teruk satu dunia..
dgn debt/forex reserve ratio yg teruk ringgit jatuh separuh ke rm5 utk $1..bursa jatuh dr 1334 ke paras 350 thn 1998..haha..ekonomi kita roboh sepenuhnya thn 1997..
jgn lupa hutang luar shj malaysia’98 hampir RM160bil..bila duit kita jatuh Rm2.5 ke RM5(RM3.8 slps kawaln)..hutang jd RM243.2bil..GDP malaysia 1998 hanya sekitar RM273bil($72bil)..GDP dgn hutang luar shj dh byk..tak campur lg hutang domestik dan hutang2 negeri yg mengalami defisit..so malaysia boleh diisytihar bangkrap sbb hutang 100% GDP..
haha tu la Hiruma Kecil..byk sgt tengok TV1..tu la padahnya
thn 1998 hutang luar shj dibahagi GDP(foreign debt/GDP) dh dkt 90%(1998)..mmg teruk manage duit rakyat..
btoi ke..seingat aku thn 1997 kakitangan kerajaan dipotong gaji bermula dgn perdana menteri dan jemaah menteri..
dr TV1 lah TDM byk berbohong utk menjaga ‘legasi’nya…sedangkan legasi TDM hanya hutang hutang hutang dan generasi akan datang sengsara
forget not..malaysia’s economy at 1998 is similar to Greece nowadays..with 100% debt to GDP…wow great BeEnd Government!!!!
i can assumed that gov hav to cut fuel subsidy just because we incurred high amount of debt from Mahathir’ era..so ‘us’ as future generation START to pay the ‘glorious’ time in 90’s…
high mahathir’s debt= No Fuel subsidy
haha..
im agree with you imbhotep!
hiruma kecil very lifted up the TDM as their god..
He doesnt know TDM has rob many of wang rakyat to develop the useless and ridiculous project namely KLCC instead of Dayabumi can be used truthly for Petronas, KLIA beside of Subang Airport can be functioning as international and domestic aviation!
This project make Malaysia have a much debt until RM100 billion!
zulh…i wonder malaysian lied by greatness illusion about mahathir…he’s lifted as the malaysian godfather..we saved everythings,.he build anything in this country..he’s became Malaysia’s Superman in the eye on malaysian especially Malay..
but the fact the greatest PM of all is Tun Razak..TDM just his ‘greatness’ illusion…tallest building, longest bridge, biggest airport, most sophisticated capital city…all this stuff using only debt…what a pity..
so now we have start to pay over’glorious’ time in TDM era…
haha get ready for fuel hike
fuel hike for sake of our future generation…berkorban apa saja
aikk Hiruma Kecil takdak hujah balas ke..ke dh terkedu ke nk jawab…kebenaran akan timbul jugak tak kira kt mana pn..blog keta blog masakan ke..semua tu ilmu.
‘sampaikan lah ilmu walau satu ayat’
hadis shahih
i dont mind the subsidies to be cut off but at least be fair to us.. cut the car import tax..currently i m paying rm50k just for my car import tax.. translate back the money given is equivelent to 20 years of subsidies. imagine how much money malaysian have paid for thier taxes.
Semua nak naik, tapi gaji tak naik. Tak lama lagi saya pun nak terjun dari Twin Tower macam kat Taiwan Foxxcon !!!! Habis cerita …..
Government is sending its citizen to the brink of suicide !!!!!!
Before any of the current subsidies are reduced at all, this corrupted govt. should open up all its books entirely & show the rakyat how our taxes paid & Petronas income were used. Then we shall see whether the removal of subsidies are justified. In addition, any reduction & removal of subsidies must be preceded by the followings:
(1) disposal of Proton to the highest bidder as it is a symbol of corruption & inefficiency which is kept afloat by protectionist policies & excies duties which are discriminatory to the foreign car manufacturers;
(2) removal of all excise duties & sales tax on all cars sold in M’sia as it is a form of subsidy unfairly imposed on the rakyat to keep afloat the doomed national car project & its bastard known as Proton;
(3) trim the size of our gigantic public service which yielded one of the highest ratio in the world of civil servant to a country’s population;
(4) overhaul the govt’s procurement policy which have repeatedly wasted our tax monies by paying excessively for goods & services, some of which were not needed to be spent at all;
(5) initiate legal action to recover the amounts overpaid & embezzled by those unscrupulous civil servants.
It is hard to find another govt. on this planet to have the guts to blame its people & then extort money from them again & again due to its poor financial health brought about by corruption, wastage & inefficiency.
you are the man! straight to the point! anyhow, 2012 GE will be turning them apart.
100% agree with you. But, i would like to add, bring in Euro 4 fuel at least.
1/2 same point…. proton also pay tax….people who buy proton pay more interest.
3. where to put all fired people?
4. this 1 i agree..eg sugar, petrol, flour not need subs
5. kinda agree
1000% agree
I couldn’t agree more…. Gov protect Proton too much and they didn’t improve much and stick to the cheap and rubbish quality cars. Look at the Korean cars, their cars were once worse than us, look at them now, challenging Toyotas and Hondas
Yeah ……..100% agree with tumb up………
i think they should also consider the hike/ appreciation of the ringgit too. we (the ringgit users) have more bargaining power with this “up” trend.
i also would not mind the reduction of the subsidies provided the system is transparent enough and savings from it goes to somewhere beneficial to all of us. definitely not into some cronies’ pockets.
show us your books!!!
Of all the money from taxes, oil revenues, land sales and many many more… where are all goes?
Someone pocket? Cheap flats for the select few? eh?
All this are not making justices to malangsia.. sadly.
ok fine the fuel costs will be raised. but pls buck up public transport, at least theres an alternative for us
haha,lately i see a lot of improvement in our country’s economy,the ringgit is quite stable right now,so work hard for money,don’t just go work than hoping that someone will give you cheaper petrol.
When the petrol is RM1.80, nasi ayam cost us RM4. If they continue to increase a little bit every 6 months or yearly, by the time it comes to 2015, nasi ayam might already cost us RM10!!!
Please cut the all the subsidies. Let the price for everything hike for only one time instead of each time a new petrol price is announced.
Many here still don’t understand WHY WE NEED TO REMOVE the subsidies. I’m not gonna tell u (too long to write), read up and research a bit more and hopefully u’ll see. Btw, I AM NOT pro-BN!!
Same. it is just breathless to xplain.
same also here…hard to explain to other people..
who is already don like the current G n want all free..and naturally to don like any effort done by this G
Yeah. Difficult to explain to other people. Because it’s absurd and nonsense.
Just travel to oversea(Indonesia). They only subsidies only one oil company. How about that? Hahaha…
Actually, I think most of us will agree on subsidies cut, only if we knew EXACTLY where the money saved is going to, which includes providing clear proof and not just talk. While I believe Idris is doing a better job than most ministers, having a better view on the problem, all of his good work will be undone by the more unscrupulous characters in the government who will just use the money in pursuit of their own interests.
agreed with your point la..
pointless la talking to people who don’t understand why the need to remove subsidies at the same time yelled “corruption”, “cronies”, “tax money” & blah blah blah..
most malaysians rather believe & swallowed every word coming right out of the politicians’ mouth instead of gathering all the facts and statements made (BN & PR) and do some research before hentam everything..
maybe this is the effect of too much subsidies: WE WANT EVERYTHING CHEAP!
face it malaysians.. the price of fuel will increase no matter what.. instead of complaining, why dont we adapt to that change?
If they saved money really put into good use, I’ll agree with it. Knowing that this is our gov… I doubt that the saved money can translate into benefit for the rakyat.
Car tax should be reduced significantly in order to do this.
Why there is no mention on this?
it is time for us to go green. Actually the direct impact to car owners is not that significant. It is those unethical businessmen who always claimed that they are losing money, they need to increase the price for everything, thus increasing the whole living cost.
Well, on the bright side, having a nissan leaf means that it possible for you to tap electricity from your working place and thus offering you free rides.. hmmm….
Honestly, I don’t mind even the gomen remove the subsidy of oil, provided they can give the rakyat more alternatives:-
Car taxes should be remove to compensate on the high fuel charges. We pay for what we use. If we drive more then pay more loh. Then we have cheaper cars. I feel is a win/win situation for both parties. We don’t get so much interest on car loan as well.. save even more money. The most benefit from this is the gomen and banks
Better public transport so that the rakyat don’t need to buy cars to travel around like singapore or Hong Kong. Rakyat will even save the monthly car loan!
If they can fix these 2 issue, i think everyone will be very happy that they increase the fuel price and remove the subsidy 100%. MALAYSIA BOLEH~!
in other country cheaper car mean more regulation for auto eg japan, high fuel tax, high income tax, high food/house/electricity/water price….i don see all low/middle income people in europe drive car toyota/honda or any other cheap car, US still sell secondhand car although price of new car is cheap-an, n japan which is car is only rm20k…..
Y la compare with hong-sing should compare with korea, taiwan or other country that hav bigger land…if compare sing with kl can la
Malaysia government is shit lar. If got money, better move elsewhere where even though u pay lots of money for TAX, the government take care of you….your insurance, your healthcare, nice road……
f##k BN seriously~!
so, move la… what are you waiting for? waiting for the money to come to you?
So if everyone moves, and the rest who can’t, should stay and suffer? MoFaz, that is not the spirit of 1Malaysia.
the one who stay will hav better live…less road jam, less crime, cheaper food/water (less demand low price), easy find job..less the G spent my money to u
I get those road is free and don’t need money to build! BTW, easy to find job? you must be joking… all the bosses migrate already lar…!
this is the typical kepala lembu logic that thinks if you have any complaints about the govt of the day, then you should not complain but MOVE away! so i guess you ppl have no complaints since 1malusaya is so perfect!
again kepala lembu logic in you says that all those who leave are responsible for crime (LOL!)
food prices have been going up because of rising demand worldwide and if were not for subsidy, your roti canai and TT would be treble in price, but then you cannot complain coz to do sowould mean you do not like it here so you have to berambus lo!
if everyone here who complains did chose to emigrate, then there would be nobody left who would pay taxes, what then?! expect to see your relative or kampung cousins to export themselves as maids ala filipina!
People who move are only failed people and will always fail since they proceed to blame other for their failure.
Lastly when they run out of option to blame people they will blame government. Funny.
So don’t complain about the price rise later:
1. Water
2. Fuel
3. Electric
4. and everything else
but not the Salary. Later some idiots will start to protest, but not against the government, but against their boss… funny!
Take away the import car tax, and I will let the oil flow price, or else, its just piece of BS to do whatever good for the G only via protection systems. All Klang valley people will live in hell. Too many cars, too many tols, no public transport convenient, and price of car and oil so expensive, and I will get out of here.
next election we change!!!
dont worry.. PR will win :)
YES, PR is our hope!!!
By reading previous comment above,majority of the comments are criticising current govt,bla bla bla..,
are you sure if you vote for the other side,they can reduce fuel price,reduce tax,give subsidies,free from corruption,better public transport,blabla
after 2 years controlling few states,I see no changes at all.
Can’t help but to comment on this one.
If you don’t give chance how you know they can’t manage?
Maybe you didn’t changes in the opposition controlled states because you choose not to see. I saw a lot though, a lot of transparency for a start, do you have that in other states or federal gov? Changes will not happen overnight bro..
Nope, can’t guarantee next gov will be better, but worth give it a try. I bet the army will take over before we can do anything… so don’t worry, long live BN!
if u want to change G..firstly daftar as voter ok..don say in here only….if u change the G pun i don think they can change anything…look US, japan, thai,pakistan, …only change that fit them politically n sometime become worst….PR is a joke (has people who can sold this country), the BN still shaky (has people who r arrogant)…
hello, bn just sold ktm land in spore! so have you daftar also?! i have!
its a MUST!!!
Remember, the voting paper have serial number, they can track u. They might transfer your voting area as they wish and at the end BN still win. IMO
1Malaysia People Will Rule ‘THEM’ out… perhaps… :(
remove corruption bugs from the country. get them replace by the next election !
that’s the main source what we face today!
most number of corruption is done by ordinary people..eg when being summon by police/jpj/kastam they give bribe to get away with kesalahan…i hav friend who talk big bout corruption but still giv bribe to police to avoid road summon
but the corruption by big fry only big in amount of money involve…still corruption is still corruption…so we must educate people around us not to bribe other people even only rm1
Our civil servants number had increased from 660k to 1.1 million from 2003 to 2009 under Abdullah Badawi administration as a quick fix for non-employed graduates. Yes, reducing subsidies is a way to cut the deficit, but reducing civil servants number is the best way to solve the problem. Can you imaging one civil servant serve only 27 people?
And for your knowledge, there are only 520k civil servant in United Kingdom to serve its 62 million population.
mostly the gov servant are lazy!
Agree, they always sleep only!
the numbers you mentioned for malaysia includes our army and police, while the numbers you mentioned for UK not….
that true ria..n most of them is cikgu/lecturer, hospital people, police/army….i read or heard from somewhere but not remember when n where…
So what can we do to those extra servant,leaving them jobless??
Just make sure the new recruitment is smaller than retiree, then the number will go down gradually. And there should be a system to terminate under-perform civil servants. If you know that you will not be terminated even if sleeping in office, will you perform?
then where to put other who not recruit….private sector is too discriminate to new graduate/certain ethnic/disable people..
then stop producing unemployable graduates! if private sector is so discriminatory then why are there ceos who are malays in the private sector! another kepala lembu logic production.
don’t be that harsh to the civil servant. because of them, our G’s public delivery system has improved a lot. if u were to asked the G to let go some of its servants, then how these people gonna live..haiya…don’t be that short minded la..btw, i’m not a government servant.
What if everyone choose the easy way to escape from the pressure of private sector? Then our govt should feed all of them? This will not help in bringing our country to become a developed one.
You know why? because during 2007-2009, many private sectors employee was fired due to economic turn down, to give them money to eat, to earn a living, the government have to give them work .Cannot be free money.
You are right
Malaysian ratio is 1 t0 23.
Singapore is 1 to 60
UK is 1 to 120
Remove the car tax and impose the free flow gas price, this is what I called ‘FAIR’!!!
All the money gone to drain year by year, that’s why gov no money…
So, where is the root cause???
buy too many under-water-transport, and chopters, and also going to the moon liao.
Agree !
Like US, the fuel price change everyday, depend on the world price !
haha.. sorry lar just add only… btw may i know what is the benefit for the rakyat if all the subsidy remove except a country without earthquake, volcano, tsunami (maybe). tornado? we pay the most tol. same petrol price, expensive F&B after sugar hikes, etc.
toll might be true..but petrol we still pay low compare to other country, our f&b still cheaper then the rest of the world
how bout car duties/taxes?? still lowest in the world eh??
car taxes high pun, banyak je honda civic, alphard, bmws, benzs on the road!!
tau komplen aje semua harga naik tapi you people dont do anything to cover yourself from the blow..
I just came back from Seam Reap, Cambodia, ya really poor country. They have pay USD 1.07 per litter for lower grade petrol. Poor thing.
wow, you’re placing us on par with Cambodia? not other better countries?? really govt mentality.
everyone here is so emotional :)
do u think ‘new’ government can change? see wut happen in Penang and Selangor. wut these guys did was talk and talk but nothing changed. ~_~ u guys has been fooled!
bazzinga!
haha.. we in Selangor got free water.
Later Selangor, Kedah, Penang, Kelantan all got fuel subsidize, while the wise people in these state get free water + more fuel subsidize, may be form free trade zone with less taxes on cars too! God Bless…!
use yr brain that your parents give u donkey. federal gov did not give a single shi* to pg and selangor…how can u expect change? they are trying to get the money…
true true,nevermind if that so called ‘PEJUANG RAKYAT’ win the next election,ermm…any RED T-SHIRT here??
haha.
who say nothing changed? a lot have already change such as…
1) their gov car already change to 2.4 camry.
2) promote more street demonstrations
3) hasut rakyat supaya derhaka sultan
what amuse me, if they fail to satisfied rakyat, they can simply say, its kerajaan pusat fault because they didnt support us. whatever gov do whether its good or bad, opposition will always find its fault. if they didnt find any, make one. their follower will believe them blindly.
Sam think before u write…
1) Who change their gov car into merc E200 Kompressor? I think Merc is more expensive than camry…
2) Which party promote and even support racist NGO? (Perk*sA?)
3) Who strip the Sultan power first? Tun M time remember?
What amuse me is that someone here already brain wash that being prostitute, day light robber, killing innocent & framing others is legal in boleh land…
If u come to Penang or Selangor especially main city, u ask them support PR or BN? Even Sibu have change, u still in dinosaur era?
Sibu is not a state you stupid ahha.
Sibu is a mini Hong Kong, full of triads,
you will be immortal if you have money
Doesn’t matter, later no one will have the money to pay for your comment! :P
hi Solen and Sam,
i guess you guy love people calling you “pendatang, don’t you? from the way you both talks, i guess you guy just like a 13 old kids and no nuts about politic.
Read more newspaper not your regular the STAR or utusan malaysia. And you will see how your current government “F***” you up. Your son, your family and your future.
if you keep voting them, i believe one day your mum, your wife, your sister will send to other country for maid, like indonesia.
At least I don’t have to pay for water when staying at Selangor.
No need to pay for water in selangor,i pay nearly 50 ringgit per month,and water quality suck.free konon but berkarat.
Why not u complain to Syabas which is control by the Fed G? LOL~! So easy to be cheated…
very true also.. because? everyone is the same.. u know the same?
the need for power, the need for money
the need to be on top
based on tv3 and utusan , for sure they report nothing changed. u re blind and blinded.
i thought the Penang state gov city council changes the red figure to green without the support of federal gov isn’t it ? and move up from ranking 9 to 8 as same par as KL for the best city to live in ?
LOL, what to expect changes for Pakatan in selangor and penang, they only in charge 2
years while BN cant do any changes in 50 years, USE YOUR SENCE
they can give BN 50 years of suppport after all those bribery,cronism etc..but when it comes to PR, u only get 3 years…and not even a single case of bribery involving state gov…theres many shallow minded malaysian like this..so dont be surprised!
actually i trying to reply to “BN” post that mentioned the Pakatan didn’t do any changes which indeed they did!
alah isu curi pasir selangor got 1 la…
bayar kickdefella tu buruk2 the kerajaan also the same la…
same people got most project in selangor is cronism.. (yaa, ni anwar ibrahim dah tegur.. ) same la…
PR also got same problem la.. don’t be so blinded la…
If we really want to be a high-income nation, then the subsidies have to go. It’s like a crutch that stumps growth. Just google topics on subsidies and read up, guys. Here’s one:
“Subsidization occurs whenever the government uses its power to redistribute wealth or access. Provision of subsidized health care, food, or other basic needs for the poor is certainly a subsidy. However, the provision of such services has a strong moral justification and virtually no environmental side-effects. These are clearly of good subsidies, at least in intent (as the structure may not adequately support the noble goal).
Yet, beneficiaries of all types of subsidies inevitably extol the virtues of the particular program they get funding/support from. A certain degree of skepticism is needed. Even when the poor do receive some government support, access to subsidies is often a function more of political power than of true need. As a result, a disproportionate share of support flows either to wealthy individuals or to powerful corporate interests.
This magnifies disparities between rich and poor, and often slows the evolution and development of new industries (which may be much more environmentally sound than the status quo). When these subsidies are not well targeted and expensive, substantial public resources are diverted from programs that could be of great benefit to the truly poor in society.”
Sounds familiar?
Taken from: www.eoearth.org/article/subsidies_and_market_interventions
bro, the problem here is.. WE’RE PAYING 2X – 3X FOR FOREIGN CAR… reduce car taxes/duties & you can hike petrol… we’ve already lost our income-value paying a car like a house bro… our disposable income is low somemore..
The ridiculous is, they talks about the subsidy, but never says the subsidy also going to those cronies company as well! When Robert Kwok sell of the sugar, goes to you-know-who and instantly raise the sugar price.
To realized who crooked the whole automotive industry with the Petrol, AP, Tol, the G is all about taking to their own pocket. There is Zero taking burden out of the people, then adding burden to the people.
For all proton buyers, you want to buy a new Pesona or a 2004 BMW. Your choice, dont be fool by the G to say BMW is for rich people only. Used car by the AP users earn money only.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/BMW/318i/auction-288045961.htm
NZ$ 22,499 x 2.3 = RM51K.
You make the choice to be keep being full by this national pride.
We lost our consumer choice by the in charge. No options (where is public transport?)
then y all europe people don buy 2004 bmw?hell new bmw or other car which is cheap? n still naik bus, bicycle, walk? don say good transport system….
look at the weather laa bro!!! here hot like africa, that’s why awang hitam are everywhere.. in europe at least got 4 seasons.. even when i’m working there, i just walk to office to keep warm. here if i walk from my condo to office in 20minutes, maybe i need to take shower at my office.
THINK A BIT LA.
Since all euro people buy NEW BMW. In 20K pounds to 30K pounds you can get a 2006 SLK or a new BMW convertible.
Well, if you dont consider Euro transport systems is ok (cannot says perfect), where you can travel Europe with euro star, or local city under tram, i dont know what to say.
At least if someone can show me how difficult is using non-taxi from Bandar Utama to Puchong. or from Kota Damansara to Subang Parade. Just how long will it take.
That is the reason why people has no choice but to buy own transportation.
THere is ZERO town planning and transportation planning!
MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC TRANSPORT IS IN GOOD SHAPE BEFORE HIKE UP OUR PETROL PRICE!
petrol is depleting fast. we won’t have any oil to export if we didn’t find any new oil field by 2017. by that time, our petrol price will be at world market price. it’s better to reduce subsidies slowly, or else it’s true as Idris Jala mentioned, we’re going to be banckrupt by 2019 like Greece.
Like Greece better, we can overthrow BN then. Thumbs up PR, this is the best issue for you to fired-up for 2012 election.
Dude, I really hope you’re joking with that. You want the country to go bankrupt just so we can overthrow a political party? :|
i bet we can throw them earlier.. before the country bankrupt.. why they never blame the mismanagement of fund???
Change is painful, but don’t change – MATI
We are going to bankrup, one way or another, I really miss our ex finance minister, the one who never raise the fuel price in 7 years…
wonder who might that be? I’ve heard n believe that he is a much more competent at managing this kinda this right?
m… may be should check back each finance minister record… or I just imagining?
I think the first step to stop malaysia from going bankrupt is tell the G stop paying millions and millions on useless and unnecessary project.
just increase the salary than only people can survive
So… when do I get my pay raise?
go ahead n give us world market price for petrol…. but before the G does that, fix all the roads with potholes, abolish unfair excise duties on cars (tax very high… not justify, definitely not people first, performance now…. should be suck dry rakyat first, we perform only when need to), and where is the mass improvement on public transport. if Singapore can do it…. Hong Kong, New York, Tokyo can… in this Boleh land, is it Boleh or Buleh? Hah!
no point we pay for world market price for petrol but again are sucked horribly on excise duites on cars. Where is the logic?
the logic is we still pay low for any other things eg personal tax, food/water/electricity, house, land, edu, medical as compare to HK, NY, Tokyo n Sing..logical rite
low personal tax? hah, my friend… u hv been in the dark for so long…. chk around n c the rates the G tax us… but that is not the issue here. the issue is on the ridiculous excise duties on cars, why do we need to pay for this if we are prepared to pay for world price for petrol? we are definitely not suckers for this… n if the G still dun wan to listen, we will change a G that listens
Kalau kerajaan terlalu tanggung subsidi, macam mana nak maju. Ada bekalan subsidi, tapi ada rakyat tak bersyukur seperti seludup barang bersubsidi kat negara jiran. Kalau harga minyak naik, sudah tiba masanya kita kena ubah penggunaan bahan api daripada minyak petrol kepada bahan alternatif seperti gas asli, hydrogen fuel cell, dan macam-macam lagilah dan kalau tengok kereta hybrid sudah menjadi kenderaan alternatif tetapi sayangnya harganya mahal dan dan kerajaan memang tidak beri insentif bagi kenderaan sebegini. Kerajaan terlalu sayangkan Proton dan kalau proton ni masih berharap kepada duti eksais kenderaan import, sampai bila proton nak maju! proton patut jadi syarikat persendirian dan lihatlah macam mana naza dan perodua lebih maju berbanding proton. Proton nak plan buat kereta hibrid, tapi sampai bila nak komersialkannya? Ada model yang dah uzur seperti perdana tapi reka bentuk sampai bila nak tukar macam waja yang dah sedekad nak ubah macam lancer evo bukan macam perdana, dah berkurun tapi ketegaq nak tukar design!
that’s rite bro… i think we already know what ‘kind’ of group that smuggle our subsidised goods to our neighbouring country.
so think again.
The real issue here is the government is going to raise the fuel price..the proton thing is just a side issue and regardless of what sort of car do u drive…so, now either the government help us back by reduce the rate for all kind of tax or we throw them away in the next coming election.
they reduce ur income tax rite,…
still they ask more tax after i’ve pay the IRB…haish…gov has become an along la…
hey unemployable! the govt dropped ur epf contribution from 11 to 8% which means more of your salary becomes taxable! is that called lowering your income tax?! u r probably one of those idiots bn pays (with its ill gotten gains) to troll around forums!
These proposal is dumb. Government already earning so much from car ap and car taxes. Malaysia car price is one of the highest around the world. Now save more money for what also I dno.
ya loh, i also don’t know for what :-(
why don’t the govt talk about stoping useless projects which are only out to milk money from tax payers:
(a) Buying submarines and fighter jets
(b) National Service Trainning camps
(c) Proton and Perodua
Wait2… Do you know what is the purpose buying subamrines fighter jet, Ns thingy? Its for our country safety you fool!!
Its useless. I was in NS, i find useless if u wanna say its for safety…. submarines and fighter jets, u think those countries would actually sell malaysia those real current and high tech machines? i don’t think so… i bet they sell those submarines and jets that can be taken out so easily… so no safety….as for the national cars, no need say so much d la… lol
Yeah, a submarine that can’t submerge. It will surely scare off our invaders.
well, you guys still remember the PSC-Naval Dockyard issue when they request 1.8 billions from the govt… yet, the govt didn’t call that a waste?????
also dun forget about our JET FIGHTERS without the engines, literally…
Jet fighters will be be take down by kites.
How our country can be safe, when the thing cant fly or cant submerge?
stupid tommy !
hi tommy,
you talk as stupid as your name. READ malaysia today or malaysia kini…or malaysia mirror. Dont’ let THE STAR or utusan malaysia or NST fool you.
the submarine CAN’t DIVE..
you little 13 years old brain which knows nuts about the current issue of our country…shame on you…
i guess you love people calling you “pendatang”..don’t you
safe from who actually? 10 billion for weapons during a time when the govt is preaching fiscal responsibility sound illogical, no? well expected from a kepala lembu govt! cant blame tommy, his national school educatio only taught to swallow all the crap from bn’s backside and ask for more! a waste of our precious human resource!
I am all for the reduction in fuel subsidies as long as the savings to the government can be put to good use and improve the income of the rakyat.
By the way I think the Penang gov. has done a very good job, I heard that they managed to run a surplus and distribute the surplus to all senior Penang folks regardless of you know what.
If after next election still the same government, I think I will seriously consider to migrate to else where.
I share the same thoughts too whenever I think of my kids future… sad for Malaysia which is a beautiful country but utterly mis-managed in so many ways.. really sedih..
go go now please.Ill lend u some money for that.
malaysia need cheaper green vehicles WITH LOWER TAX…tax should be higher for SUV’s & fuel gusling cars.. upgrade public transport much better. i have a car but i take the train to work….i don’t mind paying more for petrol..ppl will think before wasting petrol…price will only reduse if there no demand…. remember if petrol price goes up everything else will go up…”New goverment ..Old goverment” ..petrol price will be high if people don’t change the way we consume & waste fossil fuel….
I don’t see why the fuss about car taxes. You can buy cheap cars now as well below 30k. Why complain?
Cannot get conti car isit? Cheh tak malu.
Have u not realised that continental cars is way better in term of its engine performance especially the fuel consumption area as well as its design, safety…if u say we could buy a car below rm30k, i bet we get only bare model…no abs, airbag, traction control etc…i know perodua is such a company that does that..their model is completely more expensive if u compare the same engine capacity from the other auto manufacturers around the globe…think long enough before u write..haish..typical malaysian…=(
Of course I thought long enough before I write. My E36 cost me less than 30k.
And so what if you get the basic model? You just need to get from point A to B. Anything more (eg performance) then PAY LA!
haha..
your E36 is second hand car ma…
Mostly ppl want a new car for better fuel efficiency and free of fuss!
understand!
im looking forward for a car that not only ferry me from A to B but a car that has safety features with reasonable selling price…for sure i want a car that have all those aforementioned features for less than 30k, but most of them with the latest design, technology which isnt like ur E36, has an exorbitant selling price for average malaysian. now, if u look at perodua n proton, their product isnt really up to par with the continental cars which is why I want the government to reduce or better abolish the excise duty all together so that average malaysian joe may drive such a good, reasonably priced car. just look how those car priced in Langkawi..OMG, i tell u if u live on that island, u will drive a 7 series bmw lor…for now, I bet u have waited for so long before u could get ur hands on the E36 because it’s cheap now. I’m sure if u’re rich enough, u’ll buy the latest bimmer model, not the old one. if u agree with me on that note, then U and US will be whining all day long about the tax. Comprende seniore?
Seniorita I buy the E36 because it’s basic and fuss free, and I can fix it myself. The other car in within my budget is the Vios – BUT LOL I WON’T BUY THAT JUNK!
Dude, tell me a country that pay for petrol less than us? Other than Arabs. Tell me. So much for shitting the government. Do you think our government is in the control of oil and gas price? Everything you want subsidy. Flour, Sugar, Water, Electric, Oil. Tolls are not government’s its the private sectors owned. Ask them to reduce the toll la then. Subsidy you want, development you want. Where the hell the G should get the money? Your children scholarship you want everything you want. We don’t have that money. The G has to save some money, for a sudden disaster. Like the economic turn down, do you think you all can survive if the G don’t have enough money to do the PRE? If you change the G do you think your money will be saved? The Penang government (now) even promised to give out money from Petronas if they win, and what makes you think you wont pay more?
we want cheaper car taxes/duties, not risking our family with cheap 2-3 star NCAP only… toll saga started by govt laa bro! think a bit.
Tommy,
i ask you ya MR Tommy…How kilogram sugar u use everyday? Flour? Water? Electric? how many cent u take from government?we dont need that..we can pay it!!
i tell you la….y malaysia allow such a big PLUS highway???for wat?y last 10 or 15 years G didnt start build high speed railway alongside with PLUS and share the project and equity?it easy?because they need us to use toll!to pay tax this and that!to fill in petrol for long journey!to make ppl buy car!buy road tax!and insurance!IF we have hi speed train, PLUS surely must control their toll!! If u said that G has problem to do that, then wat is G for?to protect rakyat right?or wat? u tell me la..
“Dude, tell me a country that pay for petrol less than us? Other than Arabs.Tell me.” – from tommy.
okay, now i ask you,
Tommy, tell me a country more expensive car than us? NOBODY!
If G want to eliminate subsidy like other country, then G must eliminate AP, n other tax oso..if not, BN is in danger in next election.
Rakyat Didahulukan?
Model Ekonomi Baru?
Not just PLUS, but airlines as well. I’ve read articles demand for air travels normally drop drastically when High Speed Rail is intro.
And we all know just what kinda sheez our national carrier went through before that guy above “saved” it.
owh tommy boy…. y dun u book u a flight to BRUNEI ahaha, go & jalan2 there, interview all da citizen of brunei, ehehe they maybe a small but rich country, msia far more bigger & with alot of income than brunei also cant compete with their fuel price! not forget to mention they r using high grade fuel in their country. Brunei citizen also get to have FREE EDUCATION!!! FREE MEDICATION!!! duh….. tommy u shud go travel a lil bit more.
Why wanna increase price??
Simple.
The BN govt LOST so much money due to :
1) cronies business. “I scratch you back, you scratch my back”
2) undisclosed business contract (without open tender system)
3) building more and more of mega project that becoming white elephants
4) by-elective spending, buy giving away “sweets” to woo voters
5) Paying VIP, Lawatan-sambil-belajar oversea trips with 5 class service, without any benefit to the rakyat. Syoik sendiri.
6) Mismanagement of govt funding/spending – misuse of dept vehicles, time, etc
7) Naik gaji, bonus of civil servants (even without a any significant improvement of service and productivity). Recently the PDRM gets their pay rise, while crime is rising.
8) mismanagement of projects (building schools, stadium, courthouses, etc) that not only cost a bomb for its development, but cost a bomb to repair, maintain, etc.
9) Hoards of VIP, datuk XYZ, secretary this and that go oversea trips with 5 class accommodation, 1st class air ticket, detour to other holiday destination, etc which in fact can be represented with only a couple of people. Lesser spending….
and the list goes on…………..
So, where to find money to support all these BN govt antics? Squeeze the rakyat la……squeeze them everywhere. until no more blood…..
hahahaha, rakyat kan banyak duit??
I give you example in selangor,especially subang jaya where we have to pay rm50 per month for the gated and guarded whatsover
example if one housing area has more than 5000 houses,5000 times 50 is already rm250000 per month and i actually wondering where the money will go because there are only few guards….
silly example.
If the PDRM is really doing its job, do we need extra security services?
I’m actually saying that why we need to pay so much for security,I heard this security program is under the current selangor states govt,and i actually wondering where those huge amount of money will go?
have u been under bn so long you have forgotten that you have a right to question?!
One housing area = 5,000 houses? Which area la? SS18? USJ2? USJ9?
Your guesstimate needs fine tuning la wei…
borther crime rates is dropping la bro
Car taxation contribute to government coffer about RM5-6 billion every year and this has been an”addiction” which is so difficult to get rid off. Sudden withdrawal of car tax will reduce the value of the car and bank will have their hand full with all sort of cars..Those who diligently paying for their VIVa last 5 yrs will find the value is determined by only weight of the metal..Malaysia will in chaos but rich people will be happy to have 5 car per household….
dude, it’s not about having more cars. govt should reduce the taxes/duties on car, hike the petrol. at least, we could learn appreciating the real value than wasting 2-3 times on car where the real value should be less. if you’re saying we shouldn’t reduce the car tax, then be fair.
I understood what you mean man. My Malaysian made car depreciate 25% of it’s value overnight when the G implement the restructuring of the car tax due to AFTA few years ago. A lot of people are too short sighted and asking for things without thinking about the implications.
I don’t mind fuel price increase, reduce or terminate subsidy but PLEASE MAKE SURE that :
1) NO more tax on green car (hybrid, EV)
2) Improve Public transport, I WANT MORE LRTs
Else, GIVE MY MONEY BACK!
The lrt should be longer so that they can carry more passanger,lrt should be build in populated area such as subang jaya,puchong,etc.i think from the money they save when they cut the subsidies,at least 1 percent of it should be use to improvise our public transport and road.no tax for hybrid cars and ev.
I think if govt do such thing as I stated above,rakyat will go back to support our current govt.1Malaysia
Exactly true bro, I want public transport like Singapore, HK, Korea. Actually car is a money sucking machine, (fuel, Tires, engine oil, break pad, timing belt, washing liquid, battery, rims, car light bulbs etc…) We can actually save more…
mind u not only public transportation system in Klang Valley that has to be improved but the WHOLE town in MALAYSIA should get the same upgrade. For an example, I live in Seri Iskandar, Perak which is 30 mins away from Ipoh and I don;t have a car. Instead, I have to wait for the bus coming all the way from Lumut and mind you, I used to wait for almost an hour for the bus to arrive at my place and the bus condition is old, pathetic bus that carry passengers..haish…seriously, our public transportation should be improved comprehensively throughout the nation.
haiya…
Seri Iskandar?
Very humid and hot place ma…
like a desert in arabs.
Come on..what is ur purpose to staying there in Seri Iskandar..? For study right..Thats why they set a uni / college in a remote place so called “jin bertendang” so u can study well.. if u want to buy something, go ask ur kedai KOOP la..But if u like to hang-up with ur friends in JJ or Ipoh Parade on weekends. Maybe u can pursue ur studies in ITP, PUO, COSMOPOINT, BITARA, ILP, SYUEN, which located in the heart city of Ipoh. . . Hahahaha. . .
don u guy read news…they r extending the lrt line n buys more tren….
KZM, just tell me when we could use it???
proposal after proposal…
have u ever ride on Putra/Komuter recently?
did u know i wasted 1 hours on Putra due to technical glinch & 2 hours on Komuter because of smoke coming out from below??
talk is cheap!!
Aiya, every one (Gamuda/IJM/UEM etc) already happy got contract to build already. The station all fixed, the land issue resolved now just need to build lah. The train already arrived (4car for Bombardier Hartasuma) and EMU for KTM is here lah bro. Try listening to BFM, at least they have objectives in commenting and criticizing, not just blurt idiotic comments like some here!
They did say Kelana Jaya line coming to Subang Jaya in 2013, but I really doubt it’ll finish in time…
i want at sugai buloh, kuala selangor…..
petrol can hike but why toll keep increasing???
as if they are losing money like that…
living in KL is like jail as everywhere is tolled!!!!
haha
im agree with you…
i totally fed up with toll!
the government should make an agreement with highway concessions stated that
” after the toll collection is fully cover up the highway construction expenses, the highway should be toll free!”
is it brilliant idea?
correct, why?
bcos the rakyat needs a better road and toll free!
why after 50years of merdeka, majority of malaysian (including me) still need to depend on subsidaries? are we heading the right direction?
If you addicted with susu all the time, of course you won’t change to bubur la…..
these government doesn’t make any sense.. AT ALL!!!! There’s always a reason behind it, and that reason is rubbish! I’m now currently studying i New Zealand and the first thing i know is that, obviously the cars are cheap because tax are low here BUT buying stuff here is expensive. Transportation is a necessary things in life. And over here, road tax are paid every year a sum of not more than 200 dollars for any models, even a ferrari and lambo. The only thing they have to face is the car’s road worthiness every 6 months. Why don’t Malaysia see the point here? Because they are greedy for money. They tax tax money and now they’re broke and already make a proposal to increase petrol and toll….. This is an outrage… A coward thing to do…. What will they do with the money they save? Reapir road works? I don’t think so. Subsidy for all cars imports? Malaysian government aren’t thinking ahead of the future. I mean come on. Old cars selling for high price? Without safety system? They’re not even thinking of our safety system at all. Nak mogok pun x boleh. As if they layan.
I bet if all the rakyat can’t be patient with the G, the riot such as in 1998 that happened when DSAI was fired from the G would happen again only this time it’s about fuel price, not about the politics..
What I believe is that I bet people wouldn’t mind the increase of fuel hike in malaysia but as in return, something has to go down, such as road tax and car tax imports. And i can bet ya, the car import tax is just to subsidy the fuel in malaysia. But think about it, petroleum company are making good profits even with or without subsidy cause by my calculation, the price hike will be equivalent to the prices outside malaysia.
dear government and idris,
you can not have both,
if you want to increase petrol, electricity, food, toll and impose GST, then in return, please give cheap world class public transport as where on earth are people forced to buy lousy cars with such expensive AP+excise duty
and what is the assurance, that all the people sacrifice that these saved money is used wisely. will it endup in some connected man pocket which is the norm?
the better solution is give somebody else a chance to run the counttry as nothing to lose.
okay…okay…subsidies need to go sooner or later. it just that it need to be done in stages. need to be at the right time. choose to reduce subsidy for goods or services that has less impact to the people first. let it digest a bit. then introduce the next. make sure before we start implementing this, those group of less income could survive and not majorly affected by this move. Make sure our poverty is less than 0.2%. Make sure the saving due to this move could return back to the people. new school, new road, bla…bla…bla…Planning to remove the subsidies and planning to improve our way of life need to be discuss and plan thoroughly. Government need support from the people. Government need to be transparent. Please make sure those who incompetent must be dismiss. This country is not own by our government. This country is own by us. This is our country. We pay ‘them’ to take care of our country. PEOPLE POWER.
I am completely second your opinon…the government should table out all its expenditure and perhaps all the ministers should get less salary + perks..that’s how they should serve us..Government’s money is OUR MONEY!
ever heard bajet/belanjawan….if u r the minister…n ur salary is rm2000 ok rite….that how u should serve us
sure they got budet…they table up ‘everything”. a few items need to be improve though such as planning, specification preparation and approval, implementation plan and schedule, quotation review, preparation & progress monitoring, commissioning,etc etc. We don’t want our Government face the same fate as Sime Darby maaa…but it seems like we are moving towards that same direction by 2019….
car price increase
toll increase
food price increase
petrol increase
crime increase
salary remains the same … and only educated people could diversify and invest their hard earned salary to gain extra salary to outweigh the increase of daily costs ..
malaysia boleh
crime down bro…there r way to increase our salary..eg business, pertanian,….if u r a muslim business 9/10 of rezeki..(not working like slave for other people but people working for us like slave)
Then move on. Be more creative in earning money.
Yeah, take subsidies off. But use the savings properly….lets see if that really happens!
Either way, we are all screwed. Serves everyone right for keeping the same party in power for 50 years! Now you learn what democracy can do.
If they STOP subsidizing our fuel, then GOV should reduce tax on imported cars, especially the ones which consumes less fuel and hybrids, because our own national carmakers are hopelessly falling behind!…
Hopefully with all that money saved , it will be spent on renewable source of energy
Go GREEN
In mean time, u pay more for your fuel than your car. Believe me
Many people here is talking about Renewable Energy (RE)…now if u really want to go GREEN, u may try to use bio-fuel of at least B5 grade for a start. at least the plants has dual function, i) absorb the CO2 emission & produce O2 ii) as fuel. I’m not sure our proton or perodua cars can cope with such mixture. but if they do, soon running out of petroleum and high oil price is a problem of yesteryears as we might have find the solution, palm oil as the native fuel for ur beloved car! =)
Now, at least, in Indonesia and Thailand, they already begin using B10 grade bio-fuel. we’re still lagging behind our neighbouring countries. Other type of viable fuel is ethanol from sugar cane just like what Brazil did.
rather reduce tax for car better reduce price for food/water/electricity, house, land, toll, medical, edu, transport..it better than reduce just car tax..not all people buy car
agree, my father at kampung dont need new car, new motorcycle…. they just need basic thing to survive…. only kerja kampung, brg naik lagi manyak susah…
Subsidies = government intervention on market prices = catalyst for favouring and corruption
Removal of subsidies = government can’t control price, market will flow freely = lessens the acts of favouring and corruption
So, what do we want? Government-controlled market or free-flow market?
“Subsidies matter for two basic reasons. First, they divert resources to favoured activities, industries, or people based on political objectives. These objectives may have to do with political power, needs to “buy-off” particular groups, or unrealistic assessments of available technologies, rather than from any desire to achieve social goals such as welfare or education. Second, subsidies mask the relative price of different goods and services.”
Emotions aside, let’s educate ourselves: http://www.eoearth.org/article/subsidies_and_market_interventions
i don think so…do PR people buy petrol different price, BN people diff price?…the actual basic reason is to help not so fortunate people but in the end rich people also get the most..
I always wonder why the heck the government agencies feel it is justified to drive around in a Toyota Fortuner 2.7! I’ve seen a lot of them on the road bearing all sorts of government agency department names. Why do they need to drive around in a fuel guzzler 4×4. No 1, that’s a waste on the cost of the car as I’m pretty sure there are lots of other cheaper alternative out there that can do the same job. No 2, the cost of petrol must be really high and being it’s a department car, I’m pretty sure driving in an economical manner is not the driver priority.
Come on la guys! even If PR become the Fed G, we still going to complain la. You know why? Because, we are malaysians. wanna live free. we dont want to pay tax, but we want subsidy. Nothing is good enough for us. What makes you think if PR become the G we can stay so calm and happy? No promise la. What if, we stay cool, try to work out how to get more money. Instead of complaining here. They wont read this, Idris jala wont read this. We hv to accept the truth, the price of everything is hiking up. Say useless projects and whatsoever. We dont like it, we have to voice it through the right way, letters, petition. Not barking to the wrong tree like we are doing here.
I really agree with you bro,if you really wanna change yourself,work for it,change govt will not change your life!
change govt is CHANGE, no?! we can change! and we can also change the govt! no sense keeping incompetent flip-floppers in power. what for keep a pm who thinks he is not for going to common places like rejang park in sibu or kepong. let him go to paris or nyc on his own time and money! ptui!
what your, your kepala lembu logic tells you only change yourself and nothing else?
So are you expecting that if that so called pejuang rakyat take over the leadership,they will not use even single cents from rakyats money,so what happen to those Pee Are parlimen members,are they eating sand?
are you hoping that one day you no need to work and govt will give you money every month
are you expecting Pee Are to give you new car every year
is that the change you really want
well you are living in the wrong place and the wrong planet
if people want money,people work
if people wanna change their life,they work harder
so when that Pee Are win the next election,what change you want
no need to pay for fuel?
No need to pay tax at all?
if like that,within a month our country will go bankcrupt.
well i am kicking this govt out coz they suck, alright!
the last time they hiked the cost of fuel, they said the money saved would go into public transit and that came from the mouth of a sleepy son of an imam or ustaz. and now still nothing!
jibby has even less credibility in my eyes!
it is not about subsidies anymore, it is about regime change.
All those Big People in G basuh berak pun kita kena bayar!
since when we say we wan subsidy for the oil ??
I’m ok with that onky if we can get the car cheap without the huge tax ..
… its fair
i sincerely prefer remove the car tax and remove the oil subsidy!
its fair for everyone.. and the govt will be hassle free..
as by that time we won’t blame it on u for anything happen worst or better…
You dont make up 27 million ppl.
well 27mil ppl are gonna get screwed by the bn fellas driving around in german marques. of course, you say dont care, improve ourselves la. if like that, you must not love malaysia v much coz as long you make enuff to keep yourself in bmws and rolexes, you dont care how the govt screws the other 27 mil ppl. so take your selfish attitude and kepala lembu logic and go take a hike!
Hey egg head, the price hike is beyond the G control, what can they do? You want our country in debt to private sectors? later we will be the one once again depressed by taxes due the G need money? Come on la. Where’s your thinking few years ahead cow head. I’m not selfish, even though you are so CARING about the 27 million, you live your own life. That’s the fact!
thumbs up dickybird. this kind ppl should learn more.
Amen bro… amen. Our public transport in KL suckks? Come on, London is worse!
haha..true true…
wei only kepala lembu logic would say kl public transit is better than london’s! u aint never lived in london, i have! and i just have to say 2 words, “allday travelcard” i can get on the tube and bus unlimited all day! where is that in kl? check b4 u even think of saying the crap.
They now use Oyster card.
Anyway, London transport have its glitches at times, lately their workers always go on strike. But to draw comparison with KL’s overall pub transport…… I think I might die laughing.
Some people need to hop on Air Asia flight to Stansted…
im much happy after changing selangor gov. to PR..of course there will be complain,but overall much much much better than under BN last time..u expect new gov. who never manage a country got no complain at all arrrr??…come on be logical..if 3 years old gov. can outperform previous gov. of 50 years, thats good enough for me
100% agreed!
if you said we must work for it,
the government should be abolished!
that mean the government dont need to make something for rakyat generally..
we pay tax for get the development fair and square not just to work on it!
DUDE…DUDE…DUDE
WE SUBSIDIZE CAR PRICE, GOV SUBSIDIZE FUEL PRICE, ISNT IT FAIR ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!
Actually what they are doing here is just ranting aimlessly. For me, it is some sort of entertainment to see how people react to trolling comment.
before you all start criticising our current govt,please look at yourself in the mirror,who the hell still drink and drive,who still can’t stop when light turns red,who still think that they are the only one using the road,who still drive over the speed limit.
malaysian are still the same!!
….Sigh….. i guess im sticking with my savvy longer than i thought…….
I think it is just the way govt giving answer to those ppls who keeps complaining about wasted money on subsidies… probably this just a example scenario of what would happen if govt cut on subsidies… obviously removing subsidies that will only affect one race is not fair… so the best way to removed subsidies that will affect everyone is through removing fuel subsidies since every races in Malaysia paying the same price….
We need to hire somebody that is better management for “OUR MONEY”. Let’s starts next election. “This happened in all company when the management is weak – change management”.
Do not kill rakyat lah BN. Instead hang dead the pengkhianat negara fuel smugglers at open sea with big tankers. The smuggled fuel leakage probably bigger cost than fuel subsidies. Toll companies better surrender all highways to govt as the cost already recouped many times. Its maintenance cost that must be told to justify toll collection and not minting easy money to toll cronies. Toll charges must reflect the amount needed for managing, maintaining, servicing the highways so as fair to road users and to govt as road caretaker.Better speed up hybrid and electric cars sales with big rebates and taxcuts. Start taxing car price, import duties and road tax based on fuel efficiency, CO2 emission to encourage better cleaner efficient cars (both national and foreign brands) and cap it below 2000cc diesel or petrol but above that bigger car selling price must be at high as possible so choose car wisely for regular transport or luxury for those can afford it.If BN is sincere in helping rakyat then listen to rakyat first, or else these all subsidy craps are meant for BN to suck dry the nation bankrupt before hands it over to Pakatan govt upon nationwide protest votes be it next GE or 2019 as per scheduled our govt gone broke bust pokai. Banyak cantek you BN! Hantam kasi lunyai dulu ini Malaysia baru mau lepas rakyat! .
all the best to the Rakyat soon…..
Listen how Idris Jala shunned the question involving corruption when interviewed by a reporter:
http://www.bfm.my/government-transformation-idris-jala-pemandu.html
Gov running out of buy-election fund???? So fast habis??
I will happy to pay the high price or actual price for the oil
only if…………………..
we get to pay for the actual price for the car (no more heavy tax on car!!)
The problem with toll is that the gov. gave away overly generous and almost fail-safe terms to these concessionaires to ensure that they will be successful even if there are any cost over run for whatever reasons.
They are suggestions for the gov. to buy back all these tolls for some RM50 – 60 billion as a way to compensate the toll operators and to control the price of toll charges. The problem is that the gov. may not have this kind of money and secondly some of these tolls are losing money.
I would suggest that the gov. only buy back the profitable ones so that the people’s money is well spent.
yeah,
a ridiculous agreement had been made la…
cannot be turning back!
haha
PLUS concession period expired on DECEMBER 2038!!!
WHAT THE RIDICULOUS DATE
the previous agreement expired on March 2018 but the damn government make a new ridiculous agreement for ensure the highway user can use PLUS more enjoyable like S. Samy Vellu said during Minister of Works!
Think wisely
no problem for me,
as long as car prices are reduced (not proton & perodua) and public transportation improved tremendously, otherwise sorry la!
car should be cheaper, especially the local car.
updated engine should be efficient patrol or diesel is a must.
proton should look into this urgently. because other makes will win hands down.
Gosh.. We are going to be net importer by next year. We’re fooled by the G. Wonder how M’sia will survive without fuel.. unless they dig our pockets some more… GST again…
1Malaysia: BN didahulukan, korbankan rakyat diutamakan
Wow…this topic sure is hot. Almost all are condemning the G. As always when the time comes, the infamous phrase “our fuel price is still among the cheapest in this region” or “change your lifestyle” or any other BS statements. I’m pretty sure we will see drastic changes after the next GE that I think BN still will be win the majority.
PEMANDU? Sound like KFC.
KFC get rich by killing lots of chicken, vice versa.
*&^*&%&!!!!!!!
15 cents? sigh. What about our salary. Stupid mo*o G never think about our salary.
PLS help us do something about our salary! ISH…
A full tank of petrol for a myvi will cost rm78 a rm6 increase. WTF. SIGHhhhhhhhhhh
we travel too much,
we use double the amount of petrol due to our inefficiences in our country compared to other SEA countries.
take a look around us…
GLC yang rugi berbilion-bilion ringgit, subsidi rakyat yang kena potong. Grrrrr!!
tak patut, kita perlu bertindak next GE!
Malaysia’s consumption of fuel is high because our public transportation sucks BIG TIME. How to depend on late buses, missing buses, insufficient buses, mis-timed traffic lights, too many traffic lights, too many traffic jams, ill trained traffic police manning junctions?
you miss this: Too Many Tolls
How to improve on late busses etc. if EVERYONE uses THEIR OWN CAR? So many car into so little space and you’ll get a massive traffic jam! Many options to reduce car congestions. Carpooling is one of them. But do we do it? NO! You can blame everybody else, but the truth is, WE ARE TO BLAME. WE CAN MAKE A CHANGE, BUT WE CHOSE NOT TO!
Since the government said they will channel the money saved from the subsidy to the poor, PLEASE TELL ME HOW AM I GOING TO GET THE MONEY SINCE I AM THE POOR ONE.
80% of the money will go to the pockets..20% more will be showing off in media’s to make the people believe..what a trick……..
Agree. Take our money then do stupid campaign like “1 Malaysia”
seems like the g dont have much money..
like a desperate action…
after this what, the taxes for all goods….
thats way dont give the ktmb land 2 the singapore and the 2 oil mining to the Brunei..
Its not that G don’t hv money but where the money goes?
Let say the cut off the car import tax. we pay 80K for a camry, but then we fill up a full tank of RM250 (asumed) than RM100 now (assumed) ( for full tank as some of us suggest no fuel subsidies, every month those who travels in KL fill the tank up to 4 tank full a month, its RM1000. A year we will pay around RM12000 for fuel. 7 years loan fuel usage 12000×1=94K. Wah more expensive than the car! those who came up with this idea is so clever!
The devil has spoken! =)
I couldnt agree more with u…in long run, u’ll pay more for the fuel + maintanance + hire purchase loan repayment etc…in some way, the government still has to subsidise the fuel, albeit in small percentage to offset the impact on other sectors..if the proposal get a green light, our stomach might be filled up with less food because edible stuffs are the first thing that gonna rocket up its price…
dats y i said, we need hi speed train alongside PLUS!!easy!
comon’ lar… raise the minimum wages for all sector before doing any implementation!! m’sia has own oilrig but cant produce own fuel… dats a bloody joke! where the hell does the money go? western countries are different, their pay is high so… the things there are expensive… Can cover the high living standard… but in m’sia, the pay is shit! compare to the other countries… We r gonna die if things are getting costlier… F**k!
if the goverment do not wants to listen to the people,,surely they will get in return in 2 more years..election..i agree with that proposal of reducing subsidy..but the reduction must be followed by the tax reduction for vehicles..this must be done every 6 months as what they said for fuel subsidy on top…if no,,then do not fool the rakyat by saying that want to improve public transport…a lot of money have being eaten by the internal people,,this allocation for subsidy is far more less thann the corruption and cheating!!!!!!! if goverment agrees with tax reduction then we agree with subsidy reduction…..
chinese say that once boat reaching jetty its will automatically park perfectly… it mean when the subsidies is removed, cost saving/efficiency on all kinds of approaches will comes out to tackled on the fuel (or anything) hikes.. use the brain..
You got a point there. Once G removed all subsidies..the G MUST MAKE SURE ALL FORM OF CORRUPTIONS ALSO REMOVE. RAKYAT DONT THAT CRAP AFTER THAT.
Only works in an open market.
And corruption will eat into any savings negating its positive effects….
Lets face it. BN has bankcrupted the nation.
The underlying message is if we continue to vote for the current gov, it will bankrupt the country in 9 years! Stop sucking our hard earned money. The gov should look for ways to bring in more revenue, cut back unnecessary expenses and hit hard on corrupt practices. I dare the gov to implement this. the Rakyat will hit back in the next GE.
Agreed 100% with what Duh says.
DECISION ALWAYS IN YOURS HAND. FOR OURSELF OR FOR THE NEXT GENERATION.PLS VOTE WISELY IN THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION.
Don’t ever and ever and ever blame our gomen………
Is very important for gomen to hike up petrol price, toll price, gula price, electricity price, water bill………..
Because our gomen need this money for our own good………
They need money to funding campaign like Wawasan 2020 (Org tua punya wawasan) and 1 Malaysia (Satu Malaysia utk BN or more specifically UMNO….)
1 Malaysia………
Semua rakyat kana screwed left and right, up and down……by the govt….
The billion ringgit question is… where does all this ‘savings’ go?
To Pay back the debts that had been used to give a cheaper petrol to useless malaysian!
useless malaysians including yourself too! only your kepala lembu brain would think that useless malaysians drive around in V8s so that we actually burn all that money as fuel?!
tis is ridiculous, not only issue subsidies of petrol now involve hiking plus LDP toll fee as well, what else off groundbreaking news haven’t expose?
Among the causes of the fuel hike is due to the govt would like to save the money to balance up the budget deficit they are facing. Our budget deficit is one of the highest in South East Asia, around 50% of the GDP, Indonesia fared better than us of 28% of their GDP. Even our income tax rate is one of the highest in the world. Among the questions I would like to forward:
1. Why didn’t they think and manage rakyat money properly all these years?
2. What happened to Petronas money? For the last 36 years, every year that “cash cow” has been paying and supplying the Govt with money?
i’m all in for removal of subsidy….however many of the subsidies that the govt have to give now are due to their own fault…for example toll subsidy….they kept giving billions to those private companies to not hike the toll rates which could have better be used for building toll free roads…
and for fuel subsidy, i have to admit they’re subsidizing natural gas which is translated to our electricity bill somewhat but they have only started subsidizing petrol since 2004…before that we’ve been paying petrol tax..even after the oil price craziness of 2008 we were actually paying fuel tax when the oil price is at a certain level….
all i can say is that, before they start to remove everything, they better get their acts right….many of the toll roads in our country are unnecessary (just look at Klang Valley for god sakes) since most of the time we’re paying to get stuck in jams anyway….i used to travel 3500 miles of open 4 and sometimes 6 lanes highway in the US and i only paid $3 for toll….
remove subsidies = only gov. win…not guaranteed all those saving will be use for rakyat wellbeing..but if remove subsidies+reduce tax = gov. & rakyat win
Why fuel prices concern Malaysians so much ? Mainly because most Malaysians rely on their own transport to get to work and to go places. Why ? Because even in 2010, we do not have an efficient public transportation system.
I’m sure in many developed countries like Japan, fuel prices do not bother them so much because they are on the direct path, as they are happy with public transport. You do not really need a car to move about.
I agree with doing away with fuel subsidies BUT public transport must improve tremendously… which I think quite impossible to achieve in a couple of years time..
During Pak Lah administration, they said the savings (from the subsidy) will be used to upgrade public transport, dont think they ever happened. If the government can lay out the plan on the table with estimated deadlines on improving the public transport, then it’s worth considering.
correction:
“I’m sure in many developed countries like Japan, fuel prices do not bother them so much because they are NOT on the direct path”
Gov complain about subsidy but NO action to improve public transport. LRT & Monorail system the butt of all jokes in the world. People no choice but to drive.
Good public transport = reduce driving = reduce fuel usage = reduce subsidy pay out.
Oh!! I’ve got a great idea… lets go to work together in a submarine, we’ve got 2…LOL
For the next general election PRU 12 we must change the govt. This corrupt govt. must take their responsible. This is not our problem , this is a bad management by stupid govt. Why not we try other govt. to take care our people. Over 50 year is a long time, we give a chance to them. This time we must change!!!
I think its PRU 13!
damn !!!…govt must ensure all the rakyat salary increase parallelly with this hike.
Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, but for those who are pro government in this, could you please put on your thinking cap again and think about yourself.
What?
fuel price increase will affect everything… from food to services… i dun know how much my RM10 can buy in 2015. I guess majority are quite comfortable, car sales increasing every year. i have not driven a new car in 12 years… life is getting harder.
i dont mind if gouverment remove the subsidies and remove the tax for car :)
otherwise..is a hell no
oil will be running out soon so why make big fuss about it…now we have to think to use better what we have left….let say going green…in the future people going to use hybrid car, solar energy etc to cut living cost…even better just dont stay in big city period if the oil subsidies is terminnated
haiyo…the problem is, right now the bloody imbecile M’sian Government don’t want to reduce the excise duty on the ‘GREENER’ car because they still want to get income from it. IF they agree to reduce the tax by 150%, im gonna make sure i get honda fcx clarity or other ‘GREEN’ car myself.
the cars more affordable for the people… remove APs n all those crony taxes….
oh no….. i need 1.3 engine to replace my 1.9 peugeot engine..
if g want to remove subsidy of fuel, they should think the alternate way for rakyat. force proton to build-up fully ev…..force p2/naza to import ev vehicles…….by the time subsidy slash-out, our car market already load with ev cars……
remove tax for ev cars…..so that local player can import ev cars…..rakyat can afford ev cars…..
develop biodiesel as what ministry promote in tv few yrs before…….make it come true….
enhance public transport….not only in urban city! other satellite and city also need public transport! rakyat in rural area also need public transport! not only KL need WOWWW public transport.
BUILD and alternative for rakyat first….dont simply slash out the subsidy.
in the end..rakyat yg jadi mangsa!!!
My 2 cents:
– I am in favour of reducing subsidies, but it must be fair
-e.g. if subsidies are reduced/removed, then the excise duties on vehicles must go too. The excise duties on vehicles are artificially increasing the value on our cars causing us the existing problems with insurance, artificially high value requiring JPJ checks before requiring transfers of car ownership, and a host of other problems, etc
– subsidy on tolls, before doing this, the financial statements of these toll operators need to be made public, after all these are public interest companies. If they are making a profit, why does the government need to have subsidies in the first place? If they meet a minimum threshold income, the government should pay them nothing at all, while maintaining the toll rates.
ignorant malaysians still wants to pay cheap petrol will suffer.
time to wake up.
use the money for public transport !
hi ignorant,
the public transport is a big joke!!!! in 2010, our public transportation system still the same as in 2003. only 3 lines and i believe 50% of klang valley areas doesn’t have any direct connectivity.
so ignorant laa you!!!
lets change our G lah..thats better..
Wow….I don’t think proposal from Pemandu is smart enough..The situation is suppose to be win to win, not only one side win..it is unfair…RON95 increase in every year mean living cost oso increase badly..1st, PLUS – the toll keep naik..what the hell?why?wats wrong?..i believe we gov better build railway and high speed train all over malaysia..culd u imagine that the plus highway is a train railway..its easier right? its really help rakyat..why they can not think of that??? 2nd- the proposal shuld include AP issue..when the subsidy is less, AP oso shuld be less..its doesnt make sense…why AP still same..If you look at other ASEAN country, their petrol price is higher than us, but they dun hv AP system…now if gov want to reduce subsidy, must be fair la..
my fren,
the agreement has been made between gov and PLUS for revise back the previous agreement. The new agreement stated that;
1. The concession period ends December 2038 instead of March 2018 in previous agreement.
2. The toll price will hike in 3 years interval beside 5 years interval before the new agreement had been signed.
Now the gov are totally devil of the country!
RAKYAT NEVER LEARN!
all people..let use electric car la better
tax charged on electric and hybrid cars makes it ridiculously expensive …
What for we want to help government to save when they are black mailing each other at the back? we are the country which produce crude oil, we pay taxes, we entitle to get waht we deserve. if the government still like that then we should support a new government.
rich is getting richer, poor is getting poorer.
once price hike, everything will be more and more expensive. manufacturing company & transportation will take this change to increase the price. bosses don’t want to increase the salary, end up workers die. work like cow pay just a little.
does the government want malaysia to be like india and indonesia?
hike in price means hike in crime rate, hike in numbers of begger, hike in more student don’t have the chance to go to school when they want to help up the family.
Ok , I will increase my plate of char koay teow from RM4.00 to RM 4.99 I sell to over my extra costs. So beware.
people with higher salary can pay for this price hike. for me myself, i will definitely suffer from this. if govt increase our salary, the inflation will rise up. so it will be no use.
WE NEED CHANGE! “CHANGE”!!! DO THIS IN NEXT GENERAL ELECTION!! ALL, REGARDLESS OF RACES, “CHANGE”!!
Some years ago, the underworld headline was races vs races but for now, it is rakyat vs government! Looks like Najib succeed in 1Malaysia, he united us to team up and tear down the doomed party!
Malaysia negara pengeluar minyak tapi rakyatnya kena bayar harga yang mahal untuk dapatkan minyak dari negaranya sendiri. What a shame.
The BN government talks about bankruptcy this and that, who was it that spend all the money building Putrajaya? Look at all the nice nice government building there. How much money was spent? How much leakage happened while building that entire city? Now they come back and tell us, oh sorry we have no money. Freaking non-sense.
They should just start raiding all the MBs and MPs houses and I bet they can recover billions in a day.
we sell quality raw oil products to the western. we buy low quality oil from the western…our people use the low grade oil.
Poor Malaysians… but still support current government… poor Malaysians…
I need to spend my taxed income on FUEL! Which I can’t do anything about it to reduce it! But to be able to earn a tiny salary I have to fought thru all those congestions for endless hours with my highly taxed car.
Public transport? Don’t make me laugh, not only it is mission impossible, but because gov has tighten us up so much, those who can’t keep up will have to go for short cut, crime will increase drastically and you risk robbery or pick pocket everyday.
Expect our purchasing power to drop like shit, we won’t have anything extra for all those expensive value added made-in-malaysia niche market. Then businesses complaint cannot do business, then the domino effect.
I think gov own PLUS 65%, but don’t see this help us…
Totally agree, it is richer get richer, poorer get poorer…
Everyday when gov announced this kind of thing, felt like about to get heart attack what else will increase???
Instead of finding thr root cause, gov want us to pay for this, really unfair…
So, where is the root cause, we all know the problem…
Never learn, never improve, same mindset, on and on, on and on, the end we are the victim, it is ALWAYS ALWAYS like that, we always on the lose site…
So does that mean a brand new Camry will only cost RM70k by then?
kns! if they remove their subsidy to us, they better make sure they remove our subsidy to them too! Otherwise, instead of our money going back into our car’s petrol, it goes into someone else Swiss bank a/c.. !!
Our G do not practice give & take, they only practice take! take! take!
As reasonable rakyat Malaysia, we have to accept fuel price hike as Oil and Gas price will always go high as world demands increases.
BUT, please remove your expensive protection on Proton, remove the expensive tax+duty on all import cars and remove the NAP policy.
Change BN goverment all everybody will suffer including the poor BN cronies…
Yeah, I support petrol price increase by RM0.15. This is a very good chance for me to increase my price too (already few years tak naik harga):
Teh tarik from RM1.20 ke RM1.80,
Milo Ais from RM1.50 to RM2.20,
Nasi lemak from RM0.60 ke RM1.50,
roti canai from RM0.7 to RM1.40,
Roti Telor RM1.20 to RM2.00
Ikan keli goreng RM2.00 to RM3.00
Ayam goreng RM2.50 to RM4.00
Nasi putih RM0.80 to RM1.50
Then my wive also can make tuition fee increase too from RM10 per hour to
say…RM30/hr how about that?
Because…
Rakyat alreay know the reason… Minyak naik, harga makanan naik, harga letrik naik.
No need for me to tell them.
Yes Yes Yes….
So When we can start this new price??? Tak sabar nak tunggu…
When you want to start??
Just easy. Vote BN, then Barang Naik.
Syabas 1 Malaysia, Syabas BN
STOP SPENDING OUR TAX MONEY FOR UR POCKET MONEY…………..
ayoyo.. gaji tarak naik, minyak saja naik,,bukan bukan, rumah harga pun naik, cha koteaw pun naik, gula pun naikkk.. apa ini..
the same reason they give to us… burden on subsudize… pls la dont compare with singapoe… how much their income… ???
2 BIG QUESTIONS TO PEMANDU..
1) WHAT ABOUT ALL THE NONE-SENSE TAXES IMPOSED ON FOREIGN CARS ?? – THAT’S A BIG WASTE IN OUR POCKET OR ELSE SACRIFICE FOR CRAPPY PROTON!
YOU CAN HIKE THE PETROL PRICE, BUT YOU MUST BE FAIR IN GIVING US THE REAL VALUE ON PURCHASING A CAR!! WE’RE SUBSIDIZING PROTON, YET YOU’RE SAYING WE HAVE TOO MUCH TONGKAT.. GET RID OF PROTON TONGKAT FIRST!!
2) IF YOU SAVE XX BILLIONS FROM THE SO-SMART YET STUPID PROPOSAL, DID YOU PROPOSED TO SPEND IT ON IMPROVING THE LRT SYSTEM? (IGNORE BUS SYSTEM – ANYWHERE TERRIBLE)
– THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF PLACES THAT LEFT WITHOUT ACCESS OF LRT SYSTEM ETC CHERAS, KAJANG (YES THEY CAN DRIVE, BUT WITH TRAFFIC CONGESTION + WASTE OF BLOODY EXPENSIVE PETROL). YOUR PROPOSAL IS A PRIMARY SCHOOL BOY THINKING. PEOPLE DRIVE TO OFFICE AROUND KLANG VALLEY BECAUSE THE LRT ACCESS IS A DOOM!!!!!
– PUTRA LRT IS GIVING A BIG TROUBLE TO ME, SOMETIMES STUCK AND SUDDENLY STOP FOR 5-6 MINUTES. WHILE KTM IS EVEN WORSE, LAST WEEK I EXPERIENCED 1.5 HOURS INSIDE THE TRAIN AS SMOKE CAME OUT FROM BELOW OF THE TRAIN.
SHAME ON YOU PEMANDU!
Think tank has to fight with think mass to the last drop!!!
Sebagai rakyat,kita boleh menilai ….
Pilihan raya depan,kita tentukan!!
why why why? This increase that increase, how many times the government done something to ease our burden as compared to increase our burden? Another thing to be worried is CRIME.
Increase our salary and then u can remoce the subsidy !
WTF???thank U gov for making our dreams come true=(
hahha.. it just another moneky show lar…
Later, our 1 PM will say…As a PM for the 1 Malaysia, I don’t want people suffer for high fuel price… we, the G will listen to people and continue the subsidy..
THis is just a monkey show that they want us to appreciate for the subsidy…
Saw newspaper today, said we have 2 choices.
1) Take subsidy away, saves billions and the future of Malaysia will be guaranteed.
2) Maintain subsidy and face the possible catastrophe that will happen.
My answer: I prefer 2nd option, as I fear and don’t know how many of the billions ringgit saved will end up in 1 of the fat cats pocket and nothing is changed compared to now (except every normal rakyat will have a more difficult life). TQ.
To others, what is your choice?
agreed!
Choice no 2.
I do not know what will happen if choice no 1.
Anyway…if they are serious to increase fuel price and reduce subsidy for other Mega (white elephane) project, they are killing themself…
Or, they has admitted that this will be the last term to rule….
And the ron 97 to ron 95… satu lagi kon project…
Like our PLUS… tiap tiap tahun rugi… G kena bayar ganti rugi for not increase the toll rate…
But when Opposition suggest to buy off those RUGI hihgway…nor.. come all the good will, premium, potential profit… that cost our G hundred billions (???) to buy it back..
If ready rugi…they will say thank and pass it back to G lar…
Monkey show…
Come on guys…. I want a country that give me all FREE….. I just spend my time lepak at home and enjoys my free astro, my free home, my free car, my free Mc D, my free drinks, my free elctricity and my free life which I can say anything about anything or anyone.
Dont campare our country with NZ, AUS, US, UK, JPN…. compare it with INDonesia, PHIlippines, THAiland… compare their way of life and poverty… U want to migrate ??? then migrate to these country.. dont migrate to NZ, AUS, US, UK.. ok???
Why not?
Can u tell me?
We look at 3rd world country, we will be like them !
If u wanna improve, learn from the country that has already improved !
This has always been the weakness of our Government i.e. not getting their priorities right!!!
While i totally agree with the abolishment of subsidies but this should be done last – not until the Government has assured us that the leaks from their end have been plugged?
i’m sick of the notion or mentality of our Government of always punishing the “victims” instead of the “criminals”. It is always ok if the criminals squandered billions on unnecessary projects/investment while us the victims have to suffer because you didn’t manage our resources well? i’d say go to hell……..
Cut off subsidies is Idris Jala proposal. He said we are going bankrupt by 2019( if I’m not mistaken). All the ministers have their shares to blame. We really need to show this G that the Rakyat are easily trampled by whatever unfair and unjust policies they make. We will fight back. Just wait till the next GE, we will show them who’s the boss.
Rakyat dikemudiankan, Duit Diutamakan
Next election – High possibility BN will lost..Don’t u think so guys?
IF the opponent give us better manifesto, which one you choose?
Next election – High possibility BN will lost..Don’t u think so guys?
IF the opponent give us better manifesto, which one you choose?
i wonder how much is idris jala salary & perks…??hmmm
People/Rakyat M’sia wake up la, how come still so many ppl still vote BN??? Make sure la you all do something bout it, dun just make noise here ,
when Govt needs money this is wat they do, so called save money & put to better use ,at the end all go into their pockets and bail outs .
And the highest paid MP in Parliament today is a DAP representative. Go figure.
we do not mind those MP from BN or PR get high paid as long as they can perform.
But We hate coruption! Those MP may looks just get their salary but look at their abang adik, all are super rich with relatated to CLC directly or indirectly. My be you are one of those that get some “project”s.
i live for 25yrs already..eat,school..sleep using govt money bcause my parents work with govt. so afraid to change lah. the grass is not always greener on the other side.
hahaha..who’s the criminals..the so call gov cronies..bro who didnt want money..wut if ur fren PM @ minister..would u dare said never use him to ur benefits..it’s in our blood, human nature..deep down me and u we’re jelos..not that i said it’s ok..but everywhere in the world it’s happened..we just have to control it thru legislative or if we’re strong enuff..gathered ur strong, vote down the current gov during election..i’d like to see PR handling country..pasir s’gor pun tak trjaga hahaha
anyway, it is easy to blame gov on everythin..well i might be 1 of the poor bastrd who cant afford to gas up my tank everyday later on. but im the type of a person who maybe self considered patriotic..if it for the sake of my country..so be it..beside PEMANDU is headin by one of the top corporate badass..he;s the one who save a sinkin MAS, he;s the one prospered SHELL..im pretty sure he can save malaysia too if he want it..
yup i agree PEMANDU solution is lacking in human@rakyat perceptive..it’s more kind of corporate solution..in order to sail it smooth gov need also to consider rakyat needs and perception..
green technology…hmmmm let us cross our finger..hopefuly we an afford it..until the change is due…let us stick together and stop actin like a nut case n blamin each others..fyi, out budget for 2010 appx. RM197 billion…77% goes to maintenance includin RM70 bill goes to various subsidies..only 23% goes to develop..man RM70 bill is huge su of money..if only gov smart enuff to find a solution to spread it to r8 n deserving community….
Trust our legal system? Bro u must be kidding….guess you too think like our government. No, this has nothing to do with patriotism. do you think by keeping your fingers crossed everyhing will be ok?
the goverment have to show their efficiency in managing our resources, cut all those mega project, say no to all those luxury goverment office which is costly to maintain like putraja, other state also try to emulate what putrajaya had done, keep bulsh****g us on subsidy yet almost everyhting we have to pay,
cut thoses gas subsidies to IPP(cover by PETRONAS, rakyat money too), let them run efficently see whether this IPP is really smart business man or b******* business man.
get out from the lotus F1, those sponsor’s company should invest to our local company to generate more business for other instead paying to mat salleh in UK or electric car/hyd car. remember HONDA invest 9 billion US in 10 years of their participation wihout succeesfull as champion, do we have such money to continue the F1. For PETRONAS it is different, they have to equate their lubricant product to merchedes so that it will sell in Europe.Selenia is one of Petronas subsidiries in europe.
Those goverment officer/ministry shall not be using any car more than 2.0cc.
Why some need to have 4wd 2.7 liter, mercedes 3.0 etc, nak kejar penyamun ke atau dia orang ……………
local authoritie shall be efficient also i.e dont just plant tree about 2 ft from road, stupid, after 5 years the three will grow and damage the drain and road, repair lagi, pokok kena potong, then replant lagi, get proper reserve, no reserve forget about, tree then, cari another green lung
goverment shall be serious in promoting ulternate fuel in long run we will be net importer of oil product if w e have no alternate fuel, we will be hit harde rin 5-10 yars time.
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anak nak masuk colleuge 4 orang, kete nak bayor, rumah nak bayor, medic card nak bayor, insurance anak nak bayor, tol, GST, road tax, income tax, cukai pintu/cukai najis, cukai jual kete, cukai beli rumah, cukai jual rumah, cukai import, cukai jualan, cukai tanah, cukai makan kat mc D, cukai makan kat mamak, cukai pakai Hotel, cukai makan Pizza,….. kena jual burger pulak dgn abc ……………@@@, #####, %%%%%, umur dah nak pencen….#^&8#21??.
I agree with the removal of all subsidies..in fact the country should opt for free market economy thus it will reflect the REAL price of products and services..the subsidies are killing our economy badly. I just think that the government is too accommodating to the rakyat as they just want the prices to become lower than the market rates. I love my country and I don’t want the country to become bankrupt. I dunno about u guys..if u guys wanna cheap petrol please feel free to move to Brunei and Saudi Arabia instead.
Bro, like myself and some others here, you are talking some sense! If people want less corruption, then subsidies have to go. Subsidy is a form of government intervention on free-flow market, so there are bound to be favouring when government is involved. I don’t want the government to control everything, we are not a communist country. Let the market flow freely and let the government use the money for subsidies to improve public transportation. If we want to be a high-income nation, then the market has to flow freely without government intervention.
hahha.subsidy go and no coruption? hahaha..
After subsidy gone… the money will be use for mega project…then…”need me to draw the katun on the wall”?
Spending billions for something that we not need will only make those rich getting rich…basic need of people still cannot takecare, cakap apa itu nana wawasan 2020 wor…balik hutan lar..
Bro,
I thk u still cant see clearly…
W/o the subsidy, the money will also go to their pocket…
With subsidy, they cant. because the gov don have $ for mega project…
haha…………..Bro……… just want to ask, do u live in malaysia??
Change! Yes, we CAN.
Bury BN lively in the Next GE!
For me if gov want to take away our subsidy there have to think a way to help us Increase our income.
Only we have high income only we can afford the hike when the everything go up.
There should think a way to supply us Cheap Electricity no Expensive electricity. Because in future when we are less use petrol in other side we will use more electric. (Eg EV vehicle)
Although technology is moving to greener but electricity is daily use so any hike on it will sure hurt our wallet more than other thing.
For those who raised the point of Malaysia being an oil producer, my question is how long do you think it’s going to last? Sooner or later our oil output will dwindle, while our consumption continues to rise. It’s a fact. Heck, even during the last fuel rise oil consumption actually ROSE! So it’s a done deal that subsidies would sooner or later be reduced.
And as for changing government’s concerned, how long would you think they’ll hold on onto the subsidies? I doubt it’ll last long too. Just take a look at the water subsidy scheme. When they first took power, I didn’t have to pay a single sen. Now, the amount of subsidy has been quietly reduced. It’ll be the same for fuel, I can guarantee you!
Besides, there are many important things that the government needs to subsidize. Healthcare for one, education for another. Should the government reduce subsidies in these areas to cope with fuel subsidies? How fair is it for a person in rural areas if his chance of getting education up to tertiary level cheaply was greatly reduced, just so a city folk in his Mercedes Benz could fill up his car with cheap petrol?
I can only agree if the price hike only RM 0.10 per year, lolx !
before our oil dry… our people blood dry first lor..
Let the screwed up Government go into bankruptcy then they will get a taste of the suffering which the people are going through and seriously that’s the only way PK will be able to take over.
BN relies on 60% of their voters from all the kampong and remote areas, you think those people got a clue on subsides and other issues happening like how we all are talking over here. For them live is difficult and they live day to day to survive. Hack if you would to ask the 60% of those population that Malaysia bough a submarine, they turn around and ask what is a submarine and this is the driving force of the BN to stay in control coz they know those 60% don’t care what the Government does with the Rakyat’s money only we the 40% are very concern but sadly not enough to even scratch BN or the Government.
What PK is doing now is very Good, even the Penang Government is educating people, launching road shows to all over to educate the people on what our hopeless Government is doing with the Rakyat’s Money and the cronies in G and BN are enjoying the money, taking RM1.8million for family Holiday to Disneyland while the rest of us enjoys watching drug tigers and taking pictures with the drug tiger in our Bolehland.
Don’t tell me you buy into their propaganda? Since the information presented is not from an independent source surely its tainted by bias!
When politics in Malaysia is concerned, all parties are useless! BN’s getting fat and flabby, while PR’s more of a vehicle for Anwar and his cronies to get the goods! Malaysians are getting screwed either way.
Hello gtr…so happy living in New Zealand ahh??
Let me tell my story…I’m in GERMANY….here no such thing as cheap…yeahh don’t miss lead malaysian bro!!….even here VW, Mercdz,Audi, BMW is cheap ( is it really??) nobody really dare to buy it!!..why? because other thing is really expensive….in Germany the tax is not much cheaper than 40-50% ( you work for 12 months and your cut is almost 5 months!!)…mercdz you can buy at 23000 euro but of course unless your salary in more than 20k euro per month..than you can afford it!….
everybody here is cut all their expenses and the result is good!! why!!?? because they know what is difficult life is all about!…not like malaysian…everything is ‘TONGKAT’.
In Germany you have GST, fuel for 1.5-2.00 euro per little…..and you will say that ohh they used all these electric, green vehicle…..my answer is that…NO!! I don’t see any green nor electric vehicle here….so my point is…is it really nice live in New Zealand…..?? my friends also live there and my point is that you just say all the good things right? why don’t share also all the bad things with us here….dare??
Man77
I Agree with Man77, most of us here only knows about the good things in certain countries…. once u stay there (not as tourist) than u know how it is…. In Philippines itself, u buy a pencil, u will be charge a tax of 12 – 15% (VAT) along other taxes, u buy a a car… of course murahhhh… but nobodies here buy a newly launch car immediately.. eventhough its cheap, cause they think of other cost such as electricity.. it cost me (I am single) monthly RM2000 for electricity n RM300 for water. In malaysia… BMW launch a new 5 series… the next day beratur executive and tawkey to place an order. Furthermore a lot of other things should be considered before buying a new launch car. Here very hard to find a new model of BMW, Merc except for the expat and diplomats who can afford to buy it but… kena put some undertable money and it can cost a bundle…
Speaking about rasuah…..!!! over here.. rasuah dibuat selamba je…. So… u guys… come and migrate here….lah.. then u know how cheap is our roti canai…..
if you choose to compare with a corruption nation then zimbawe is better choice. and today we are much better then zimbawe but we are heading there if we have more malaysian like u.
good luck malaysian.
Saya tak setuju dgn hujah hampehhhh. Kalau ikut lojik anda, Malaysia lebih baik kalau dibandingkan dgn Filipina. Kenapa tak dibandingkan saja dgn Zimbabwe, Nigeria dan negara- negara rasuah kronik yg lain? Kiranya Mlayasia dah macam syurga lah kan? Yg penting utk kita hayati disini ialah, Malaysia adalah negara yg kaya dgn bermacam hasil sumber alam jadi, kita sepatutnya menikmati kehidupan yg lebih baik dan tidak wujud isu PEMANDU ni. Tidakkah kamu terfikir, Singapura yg sumber alamnya tak sebanyak Malaysia memperolehi pendapatan yg lebih baik dari negara kita? Kita ada pilihan, persoalannya sanggupkah kita praktikkan pilihan kita? Atau kita lebih rela digula-gulakan setiap kali pilihan berada ditangan kita?
if you continue compare with those country yang lebih teruk.. that is your life…
We, the smart generation will only learn and follow those better than us.. benchmark with those better …not worst…
i second u…
learn from the clever, not dumb… simple as that…
Maybe dont compare to the likes of Zimbabwe.
The rule of thumb here, is to compare an apple to an apple.
I see rinnegan trolling here and there with his opinions, and i’d say, “Mate, we get it.” You dont like what the G is doing, and you support the other side. Enough already with your speech.
Idris Jala is a fine man. He transformed Malaysia Airlines from a deadbeat to what it is today, eventhough still losing out to AirAsia, but managed to recoup some of their old customers. In other words, Idris Jala has credentials. And a man with credentials is required to make these tough calls.
Subsidy is a delicate thing to speak of. It concerns a lot of parties, producers, consumers, the government for sure. You see the problem here, if we have subsidy, we have an issue which is called “deadweight loss”. A percentage of subsidy is provided to alleviate burdens that consumers bear as an example, artificially decreases the price. This results in an increase in the Govt expenditure (subsidy provided), increased demand (due to the price being cheap), while production remain the same (as govt is coughing up the remainder of what customers have paid).
But, if you could compute a graph, you can see that a proportion of producer surplus diminishes, and this is an opportunity cost. Increase in government expenditure, decreases the possibility of the money being invested somewhere else, that may provide better returns, education for example.
Subsidy is bad, and also a luxury. Please come to realize that with all the resources we have, the resource management could have been better. The mistakes happened and now its good to see them realizing it. Learn from it and look forward.
Personally, i would give the Government a chance. My money wont go a side which has yet to decide which one of them can act as a representative to the whole idea, and DAP is too much like UMNO. Dont like both very much.
Its time to work hard peasants!
Stop comparing Malaysia to Singapore. They left us like 45 years ago. Get a life.
Rinnegan, go slow with reading the alternative media. We know most of them stuffs too.
LOL
To driver:
Requoting from your comments:
1) Maybe dont compare to the likes of Zimbabwe.
The rule of thumb here, is to compare an apple to an apple.
– You are right. Compare an apple to an apple. However, how many times have the so-called leaders compare our country to a worse country everytime they come up with a price hike?
2) Idris Jala is a fine man. He transformed Malaysia Airlines from a deadbeat to what it is today, eventhough still losing out to AirAsia, but managed to recoup some of their old customers.
– I agree with this. As a matter of fact, Idris Jala is not the man to be blamed for this delicate PEMANDU thing.
3) Subsidy is a delicate thing to speak of. It concerns a lot of parties, producers, consumers, the government for sure……………….Increase in government expenditure, decreases the possibility of the money being invested somewhere else, that may provide better returns, education for example.
– True, subsidy is delicate. I believe most Malaysians are aware of this too. Sadly though, there doesn’t seem to be a balance in pulling out the subsidy and providing a better living for us “peasants”.
– Increase in “G” expenditure? More like reckless abuse of people’s money and who seems to be enjoying this? And what seems to be the “G”s favourite solutions everytime they suffer a cashflow problem? Screw the people, naturally! I’m surprised you didn’t notice this.
4) Its time to work hard peasants! Stop comparing Malaysia to Singapore. They left us like 45 years ago. Get a life.
– And what has the current “G” done so far to remedy this? We, the “peasants” have to work hard and you might want to go slow with the “get a life” thing! I don’t think working hard is the issue here. It’s more about the mismanagement of this country’s resources that I fear might lead us to becoming another Greece and you seems to be ignoring that.
5) Personally, i would give the Government a chance.
– After being screwed countless of times? You said it yourself, Singapore left us 45 years ago and where are they now, compared to us? Eventhough we have abundant of natural resources.
6) Rinnegan, go slow with reading the alternative media. We know most of them stuffs too.
– Knowing is one thing but the main question is, what did you do with what you’ve known? FYI, I don’t have to read alternative media to know the state of this country. Read the conditions and your surroundings. Hopefully, you’ll acquire enough wisdom before it’s too late unless of course, if you are those who reap the perks of this PEMANDU thing. Judging from your comments, its easy to identify which side you are.
Subsidies is not good. Agreed.
But in malaysia after 50years of merdeka, majority of malaysian will suffer if no subsidaries. But in Germany will this be happen??
The German goverment even paid those tha are not working ( which I do not really agree). Is Malaysia goverment doing this?
Why the goverment fail to improve the income of the whole nation for the past 50 years?
In 1957, average malaysians are 3x richer then the south korean but today they are 3x richer then us. why??
People GO FOR WAR with this oils stuff my fren!!!! :))
I guess the government has no choice but to reduce subsidy and I can understand it. Looking at Malaysia’s debt, it is still moderate in terms of percentage to GDP but in value it has ballooned considerably. We know how sovereign debt can be dangerous to a country, citing the example in what is happening in europe right now. But the question is:
1. Will the public transport system improve for the better? Buses have been bought, public transportation companies has merged to a single entity, money have been spent, etc etc etc but the public transport system is still lowsy. The is no greater ‘Triumph de Arch’ to the shortsightedness of Malaysian public transportation planning than the fact that the Monorail Station is built loosely adjacent across the road to grandly built KL Central.
2. A newspaper report few years ago stated that the total compensation money paid by the G to the 5 major highways in Klang Valley so that they do not increase their toll price is equal to the cost of building those highways in the 1st place! Talking about a one sided agreement. Make the highway concessionaires public and hang those who make such rakyat burdening agreements.
3. Will they make tender process more transparent and stop overpaying for stuff or projects. The overpay makes many 2 dollar company thrive by using their enormous cables to get the projects then subcon it to somebody else, sometimes to foreigners at a fraction of the price paid by the G and pocketing the difference without doing any work. The result is roofs are collapsing throughout the country.
4. Where has Petronas money gone to? I would thought that their massive profit increase would somewhat offset the ballooning subsidies. Either Petronas or the government is inefficient. Either way, someone must be held accountable.
Why cut subsidy so difficult. You can save billions just by having clean and incorruptible leaders. BN people like Najib have silently pocketed the Rakyat RM billions through buying submarine, helicopter.
So no need to cut subsidy, cut UMNO.
-i dont want to pay at low price then got poor life quality.
-if price hike could give me better public transport, better counter service at goverment office, no corruption policemen, better LRT route, better bus availability, better changes for my kid to go to university, better walfare , why not?
– if gov not deliver those good one even at high fuel price, high toll, high electricity,, then i will **** the gov and not vote them anymore…. good luck goverment….
???
u still voting for the same gov after so long ?
Utk mufasa, berapa lama lagi awak rela ditipu? Kalau ditengok balik impian awak :
:- better public transport, better counter service at goverment office, no corruption policemen, better LRT route, better bus availability, better changes for my kid to go to university, better walfare ,…
Kira balik berapa kali dah harga petrol dan tol dinaikkan, dan setakat ni kemana impian awak dibawa oleh kerajaan sekarang? Makin elok atau makin buruk?
erm,,….gufasa, i vote for opponent inlast GE
rinnegan, do you think that if we change federal gov coming election , on the next year we totally have better price in every item , you salary will increase 20%? are you sure? i prefer to have strong oppenent and make current Gov afraid of losing power and start making improvment… which why i vote for opponent in last GE.
rinnegan,may i know how old are u? please not hate me just because i agree with people who you dont like, it would be good for you if you give your point and reason why gov should not remove subsidy ,eg : Soo Hong comment… he give good fact…. , i read a lot of you comment here,, i dont think you comment is matured enough…. i like opponent in parlimen, but because of their supporter that not mature,,it really make me disappointed……please dont spend too much time in paultan.org comment box, get a life… think about ur family….how to work hard and how to finish homeloan asap…. believe me all politician dont care about us….. they only think who going to pay their salary….and how they going to survive…. :)
just coz u voted PR last time and gave bn an almighty fright does not mean they are capable of change. there are no sure things in life, but with a change in govt there will be hope. dont you ppl get that?! and if PR dont deliver, then we boot them out after 5 years! alright?! deal?! bn’s ruled for over 5 decades have made it arrogant, complacent about the ppl that voted bn in and worse, corrupt!
for the record, i do agree with rolling back subsidies but for the reasons they have given. NOTE how they never mention saving money by plugging the leaking, fighting corruption and lowering income tax to compensate! heck i am sure they already knew a long time ago that we are gonna have a fiscal problem yet we went and spend 10billion on weapons!
To mufasa:
I’m sorry if I sounded too harsh and “not matured” enough for you. I’d like to ask you this. Suppose if someone wants to burglarize your home and terrorize your family, which one do you prefer:
1) You to explain your point and reason in a “matured manner” to that scoundrel on why he shouldn’t be doing that to you or anyone.
OR
2) That would-be scoundrel has adequate moral and consciences of not even thinking of such an act in the first place.
I don’t know about you but I prefer option 2 since if any decent soul wouldn’t be thinking about committing crimes, it will be safe.
The point here is if the G falls to option 2, Malaysia would be a much better place even compared to any country. That is my hope and my dream. As for changes and such? Read dickybird’s comment. I sure hope that is adequate and no, I don’t hate you just because you hovered on the verge of being a pessimist.
You ask about my age? It’s more than 35 but less than 40 years. You said you like opponent in parliament, have you seen how “matured” the current G YBs conducted themselves?
As for life, family, home loan and work hard, well, I’m working hard here in UAE, my income is 6 times than what I earned at Malaysia, I send money every month to my family in Malaysia, I’ve already settled my car and home loans, my family is definitely having a better life now. Not bad for an “immatured” guy, eh?
From my travels and experiences, we Malaysians can move forward to a brighter future if only we dare to make a change first. I view myself as a patriot and you have no idea how touched I am every time when the plane landed at KLIA the pilot greets us with “For Malaysians, welcome home”. I love my country and I have high hopes for it, it’s that simple! How about you, would you rather be contented as a pessimist? What values are you going to teach to your children?
I don’t agree your belief of saying all politicians don’t care about us, have you at least go and check the simple and humble life of Kelantan MB? I assume you’re in Malaysia but even if you’re not, information nowadays are just a few mouseclicks away. Be fair to yourself, investigate with an open heart and an open mind, the truth will then surface.
bro, not only u that finish ur car loan, not only you finish home loan, i guess we are same here…. and i stay in outside malaysia base on project and currently in sydney for 2 months.. next will be in jakarta and bangkok ,….. just that i do really apprieciete if you not use that sentence “berapa lama lagi awak rela ditipu?” coz i dont think that somebody tipu my self dude and each people have their own opinion ..i do respect ur opinion about gov ,,, as you feel very dissapoint with them…..so please respect mine too……. and i am born same state as that MB, and i love him….
those mat salleh and pak arab at UAE is abit harsh, so i guess maybe they influence you abit… but i am malaysian that not like their way…. you use those tipu word and i use immatured word,,,i guess it fair…
so can we back to subsidi story instead of sapa kena tipu and immature :) please,,,, i dont wan to make enemy in paultan.org,,i just give my opinion and you can give yours
Knowing full well that the government has not deal with problems of corruption, cronyism, public transportation and daylight bribery do not, and I repeat, do not make the citizens of Malaysia scapegoats.
BN has been giving away taxpayers money like free buffet and now those Umnoputras want to punish the struggling citizens. In nine years, the same problem will persist if the government do not shed light on the real cause of problem, and that is the government itself
Totally agreed. I have no objection to remove subsidies provided the money is used wisely to improve the infrastructure, public transport system etc and not going to those corrupted politicians and cronies’s pocket.
THE TRUTH WINS OUT! see how none of the pro-govt forumers like msia memang boleh and tommy dare to argue with this opinion!
gov can increase fuel price but gov must to increase our salary first. this because when fuel increase, other think also increase not little but twice of the fuel price increase. so rakyat who in low and middle salary will be suffer for this increasing fuel price. where is rakyat didahulukan??? this not rakyat didahulukan… this is kroni didahulukan. i think when gov do this plan, next election they will lose…
if this plan is going to be proceed before next GE perhaps on 2013,then i’m very certain that our next government will change hand! so carefull GOV.
beleum bubar parlimen pun dah lose mcm ni! hey wont dare to implement at all! kalau implement pun after GE. that is if they are still in power?! so please inform all your relatives in the rural areas, that their asses are now on the line and if they vote bn again, they might as well bend over and take it like anwar!
if the vehicle tax reduced, how bout the car that we paying now? its not worth paying the old price + the new hike fuel price! that’s not fair… its still the same thing… who’s gonna cover for the loses? in the end we again end up deep shit… then… in sarawak, public transportations are like shit!!! wait for so long then u can a stupid bus… wad is that? the only public transport is the stupid bus! Unlike in West, u guys have everythin… F**k the stupid planner for the transportation thing! Come here & have a look 1st before u implement this & that…
if the vehicle tax reduced, how bout the car that we paying now? its not worth paying the old price + the new hike fuel price! that’s not fair… its still the same thing… who’s gonna cover for the loses? in the end we again end up deep shit… then… in sarawak, public transportations are like shit!!! wait for so long then u can see a stupid bus… wad is that? the only public transport is the stupid bus! Unlike in West, u guys have everythin… F**k the stupid planner for the transportation thing! Come here & have a look 1st before u implement this & that…
Well, our neighbour country singapore has 0 minerals or resouces like petrol but their govt knows how to make their country rich and most importantly they don’t rob from their citizens! Looks like we should change this useless govt before they hike the petrol again:) BN should improve themselve rather than always looking for Rakyat for money!!!!!
are u sure about that? i’ve got relatives there man and everything they need to pay , even to park at their flats’ parking lot.
If they want free market price fuel, same must go with free market car prices. Currently, all car buyer had already pay back the subsidy to the govt through the exorbitant taxes when we buy cars. Where is the subsidy they are talking about? Furthermore, free market fuel meaning euro4 or higher quality not the current euro2m(msia bleh)
ok! float the price of petrol but make sure you float the price of cars too! otherwise, the entire cabinet should try going to work on public transit on a very wet monday NOT on a leisurely saturday morning! jangan pura pura nak turun padang tunjuk prihatin! tiada makna bagi rakyat jelata!
Current 2010 Price – RM1.80 per liter RON95
Q3/Q4 2010 Price Hike – RM1.95 per liter RON95
2011 Price Hike – RM2.16 per liter RON95 (broken into 2 hikes, once per 6 months)
2012 Price Hike – RM2.20 per liter RON95
2013 Price Hike – RM2.34 per liter RON95
2014 Price Hike – RM2.52 per liter RON95
2015 Price Hike – RM2.60 per liter RON95
haha…in 2008, we already get rm2.70 per liter ron97 + rebate rm625..huhuhuhuhu so i think base on this schedule, in 2015 we get rm 2.70 for ron 97..huhuhuuhuh rm625 rebate one more time please…
Hello bro, this schedule belongs to dacing. What happens if dacing patah pada tahun 2013 nanti?
So, the cows have finally come home.
The cronies, embezzelers, profiteers can only continue sucking the country so much.
And after the 25 over years of suffering, we still have only fuel guzzling junks from proton to shout about, but the coffers are drying up.
So yet another round of ubah gaya hidup and threats by the gormen of the day.
All these comments sound like – maintain subsidy we face catastrophe in nine years; remove subsidy we face catastrophe immediately. The subsidy system is like the linchpin holding this nation together, without it only God will know what will happen. Removing subsidy is a bit like playing the game Zinga.
potong aje! kalau berani kerana wajar! potong la! it is for kebaikan sejagat and the future! so if they have the balls then do it! but i dont believe they have the balls since they all the men from pak lah’s half past 6 cabinet.
The proposal also spells out a “mitigation plan” which involves giving cash rebates of 126 ringgit for owners of cars with engines smaller than 1,000cc in capacity
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Better buy kancil la…
Does that mean, 1000cc and below… or is it only below 1000cc (means viva 1000cc also kena)…
aiyooo..why the hell la only give rebate for 1000cc n below only? they should set it to be at least 2000cc and below la…if they set the former engine capacity, then most of us wont hv chance to drive better car than kancil or viva, isn’t it? malaysian that are in middle class income n below would feel the pinch the most. they must address not only the poor but the middle class people because they make up largest portion of citizens.
viva tak sampai 1000cc…
989 or something…
It is not so much on can afford the increase in fuel price. If govt to take away subsidy, it is only fair the import tax and excise duty of motor vehicle must be reduced substantially to bring the prices in par with countries that is paying petrol at market price. Same with GST, if govt to introduce, other taxes must come down. Why IRB is getting RM1 million when govt says they are going bankrupt?
WTF !
Before u implement the system, make the car price cheaper !
Implement AFTA !
We are the only country that do not implement AFTA !
Thats why Japan are mad with us !
Stupid G !
Japan mad with us? since when?
Mad – i mean they do not agree when malaysia selling their car (Honda) at high price beacuse of the tax !
I already changed to a new car off course not a Proton car…and YES I’m now want to change to a new government in next PRU election
I found that this Minister in the Prime Minister’s Dept Datuk Idris Jala being evasive, selective and not straightforward in his report.
From his report, he selectively touched on those items of great importance to the government and tried to justify them but he did not touched on those RELATED items of great importance to the RAKYAT.
He touched on:
1. Reduce Fuel Subsidy.
2. Reduce Toll Subsidy.
3. Electricity tariffs for electric cars.
4. Mitigation plan for cars with smaller engine, i.e RM126 cash rebate for cars with engine smaller than 1000c.c.
1. Reduce Fuel Subsidy – I agree with it as this will eliminate wastage, abuse, corruption and will increase efficiency.
2. Reduce Toll Subsidy – I agree with it also, but wait …….., in the first place may I know why he did not mention who were behind the drafting of those TOLL contracts that so heavily favoured those TOLL concessionaires, which politicians were behind the approval of those contracts and why we RAKYAT have to bear and suffer the blunder (I would not conclude it as corruption, it is up to the readers to judge) of these contract, until now, the Government still dare not reveal the contents of those contracts.
3. Electricity tariffs for electric cars. – He seemed to have lost touch with today Malaysia , as far as I can see this is a trivial issue as there are hardly any electric cars on Malaysia road. (what rubbish is he talking about? doesn’t he have something more important to address)
4. Mitigation plan for cars with smaller engine, i.e RM126 cash rebate for car with engine smaller than 1000c.c. – very clever politician, a little bit of icing to placate some naive car owners. (What, RM 126 only for small car owners, I think you can do a lot better than RM 126).
I said he is evasive and selective (That is how people will behave when they try to defend something knowing that they are only partially right).
Evasive and selective – WHY DON’T YOU TOUCH ON THE GOVERNMENT RIDICULOUS POLICY OF
1. EXCISE DUTY.
2. AP POLICY.
3. GOVERNMENT APPROVED SELLING PRICE etc ..
for cars.
I can see that your IQ is very high. Otherwise, it’s impossible to figure such important things out. Hope the BN supporters can read this and learn how screwed up we are under the leadership of the current government.
The government should relook into these proposals. Its a dicey move..you will lose support
Excellant stuff by PEMANDU !!
It certainly looks like for any assemblymen that dies after this…i mean future “By Election”, BN can say good bye for the seat. It only makes clearer that for a new path way opened. I
Congratulations !! or shall i say my deepest Condolences !!
Fuel subsidy is a part of social security, thus it’s considered as human rights,
Article 22 of Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
The gov must provide social security to the people where required in any circumstances.
Please don’t fool the people by saying a form of social security a.k.a fuel subsidy would hamper our beloved nation growth.
It is indeed, our rights.
Nothing wrong with removal of fuel subsidy as we cannot live with the mentality of spoon feeding on everything.But before going ahead with the removal, should the prices of car be review, insurance premiuns and hire purchase rate be review. Our tax duty has burden the rakyats with high monthly installment, depriving the rakyats of better safety features cars. Take the case of our own Proton, basic safety features like air bags are not install for the local market whereas for export market, air bags are install. Why the difference in spec?
With the subsidy remove, is public transport facility going to be improved? For the current moment, waiting time for public transport is estimated at 30mins at least. Roads are of low quality with potholes showing up after a heavy rain.
How the money are to be spend with the savings from the subsidies removal? Until taxes and duty of cars are solved then only begin the talk of subsidy removal or else it should not even be the topic or priority of the government cos subsidies is not going to bankrupt the country as mention by Mr Idris in The Star paper dated 28/5/2010. Only wasteful expenditure,corruption is going to bankrupt the country, not subsidies.
LOOK AT THE ROADS MAN…..POT HOLES EVERYWHERE
SCREW LA THESE PEOPLE
LAGI MAU MCM2 N MAKE US PAY WHILE THEY MAKE MONEY ON THE SIDE EH?
spot on, my friend. spot on.
can save from other place….. do not need to disturb very sensitive issues…. it will create caos in the whole nation…..everything will increase and the RAKYAT will be poorer and less spending power… i thought 2008 will learn alot…but i guess its stubborness and foolishness in the hearts of those with POWER n that do not really use the POWER for GREATER USE…. well done…. this is worse then the RED’s in THAILAND… it will effect people very soon….. useless goverment….
hoi gamen bodoh….. Greece is bankrupt due to the CORRUPTION…. not because of subsidy….. CORRUPTION, CORRUPTION, CORRUPTION… change gamen, change gamen, change gamen on next GE for sure………
the Goverment of BN should read all this comment.
and what ever it is, thats only just a piece of proposal.
and there are many subsidies that can be stop.
BUT when FUEL , i dont think so the G will be agree. There r stand bcoz of the people.
Foxconn employee suicide for $. They chose to die early. Foxconn give 10 times their annual year salary to their immediate families.
Looks like a FINAL milking of national coffers. Only if current govt is voted out in T-2years. Otherwise, drum roll, continue the music…
I was mulling whether to take up a job offer in NZ but the news in recent days has really made it easy even though I will have to take a pay cut in NZ… dollar to dollar, their petrol costs ard NZD1.73-1.80, depending on market forces. A brand new Camry goes for around NZD35K… second hand cars are also very cheap. You can get a decent ride below NZD8K!! NZ may not be the richest country in the world but they manage their resources very well. Actually I believe Malaysia is much richer in terms of natural resources as we have oil, oil palm, timber, rubber, etc. The problem is the mismanagement of our resources and money, hence all the problems we have at hand. I really worry for the next generation of Malaysians. Our leaders are screwing our asses to kingdom come…
To motberg,
Good luck with your career. I agree with you, our country is richer in natural resources and the current UBN government seems to to be at a loss of how to create more external revenue but they are extremely creative in getting their “ïnternal revenue”. I worry about the current and future generation. Are we following the Phillipines and Indonesian route? Their corruption level are astounding to say the very least. That’s why you can see lots of Phillipinos migrating everywhere around the world. Hopefully this scourge of corruption and power abuse can be rid of. If not, well, I’m already working abroad now.
Paul can u please make a special dedication to the goverment just to remind them why we the Rakyat deserve the subsidies:
1) How much $$ the goverment generate a year from 2005 -2010 :-
a) Import Tax
b) Excise Tax
c) Sales Tax
d) Road Tax
e) Corporate Tax that the goverment gain thru the company that involve in automotive industry
2) How much $$ the goverment spend out on fuel subsidy from 2005 – 2010 :-
And Paul can u also please remind the goverment n Rakyat of why higher capacity or luxurious automobile actually does deserve more subsidy by their contribution to the goverment in the current subsidy scheme.
YES THE REVENUE FROM A SINGLE 800K-1M WORTH OF VEHICLE CAN CONTRIBUTE TO 10 VEHICLE WHICH USE 30000KM/YEAR FOR 5 YEARS !!
THE REVENUE FROM A SINGLE 150K-200K WORTH OF VEHICLE CAN CONTRIBUTE TO 5.5 VEHICLE WHICH USE 30000KM A YEAR !!
THE REVENUE FROM A SINGLE 40K-50K WORTH OF VEHICLE CAN CONTRIBUTE TO A SINGLE VEHICLE WHICH USE 30000KM A YEAR N THE GOVERMENT IS STILL EARNING $$ !!
*Calculation is based on current subsidy of RM0.30 per litre !!
*Calculation is based on just the current import, excise n sales tax only not including road tax n corporate tax the goverment making thru automotive company n insurance company.
*Calculation is based on the lowest assumption of profit fr the price range.
If the goverment want to cut off this burden :-
1) Reduce the import duty/tax n excise tax
2) No more 10% of Sales tax n implement the long awaited GST of 3-4%
3) Cut off the AP system
By that Im sure everyone in Malaysia will be happy to pay fuel price without subsidy n even pay n extra RM0.10/litre for the goverment, why ??
From the lower price of the vehicle alone we save a lot of money fr bank interest n also insurance money yearly to pay for our fuel n the good thing is all Malaysian deserve a better vehichle than the current protected NAP !!
It shows how corrupted the AP plan and the so-called National Car Pride program. It’s sucking the consumer money for granted and want to consumer believe CAR is expensive, while not building any public transport to facilitate the rakyat.
so?
will we see more people migrating out of malaysia?
or will the next electioln be more interesting?
i hope both happends.. :D
i was too tired to read the rest of the comments.. so long lah..
but yeah, if they do deciede to cut all subsidies, that means they cut off most of the taxes then.. yaaa?
taking away subsidy is not a bad thing but taking away the subsidy with the goverment running like current manner….I really doubt it can save.
money is likely needed to support Proton…remember that the pricing offer to sell Proton overseas is cheaper and better in spec.
plus all the funny loses like recent sime darby case plus their attitude to allow Independent Power Station and Toll company sucking money out from Gov using unfair contract….how will it ensure money saved from subsidy reduction be properly channel.
Not to mention all those White elephant project like the nice Crystal Mosque at Terrenganu which someone said cannot use for prayer? then the collapsed stadium…plus all those over paid equipment found out by the special committee?
That’s the catch…the whole hoooo haaaa only refer to…cut subsidy to avoid us being like Greece…but they thought we are dumb and we don’t watch foreign news channel…the Greek don’t even want to pay TAXES…how to get the government running when they have no income? Many Malaysian still paying tax…we still paying toll even we have to pay road tax etc etc. they will only tell you they need to cut but how they will generate the mechanism to utilize the money saved…sorry that is Government top secret.
Honestly Many Malaysia can easily understand the bad side of living on Subsidy but we just can’t buy it this is the solution when the management of fund is so bad!!!!
Just look at all the ministers in boleh land they all are millionnaires. Where they got the money from? Duit rakyat la where else. They got their shares in whatever project in boleh land. What a crap – Rakyat didahulukan. I think its more like duit rakyat didahulukan. I’m grateful now I’m staying in overseas and will not come back to boleh land ever.
The end of Malaysia is coming.
Well, we live in BolehLand… (~~”)
wow….already past 400 comments here…
The aim to save is always good. However, I don’t believe that raising fuel prices by gradually removing the subsidy is the best solution. If fuel prices are raised, all other prices will also be raised eventually. This is a RECIPE FOR INFLATION. Of course the government can introduce ways and means to prevent the increase of essential items but that will not help the economy at all because the prices are already high. It will only cause difficulty and hardship to the people in the business. We have seen enough of these in our lifetime and I don’t think this time its going to be an exception.
It is always better to look at ourselves. When the government wants to save and really meant it, it should start saving on its own expenditures. I believe there is a lot more to be saved in this manner compared with the subsidy reduction which not only will burden the people but makes the present government very unpopular.
Look at the EXPENSES OF THE GOVERNMENT and see how best it can be reduced. There are many expenditures which even if reduced will not cause extra burden to the government servants. For example, the OFFICIAL CARS given to senior government servants and the fuel that government pays for it. These officers earn enough income to buy their own cars and pay for their own fuel unless the fuel is meant for official government business. It will not burden them at all. That is the people’s money, hard earned.
ANOTHER MONEY DRAIN IS THE STATUTORY BODIES. There are many statutory bodies established every other year and we have lost count of it. Some are good while others can always be placed under the many existing Ministries. Each statutory body require budget allocation for salary, allowances, pensions, gratuities, activities and the list goes on. Some statutory bodies get more than RM300 Millions a year and maybe more. Just look at the Auditor General’s Report or the Annual report of that body. Most of these statutory bodies are concerned with services and do not generate income. Do we really need them as a body separate from the government? That is the people’s money, hard earned.
FACT – PRICES OF FUEL AND CAR-RELATED PRICES IN MALAYSIA IS HIGHER THAN IN THE UK. This is my simple analogy. Take for example a new graduate in Malaysia earns a monthly salary of RM2,000 and a new graduate in UK earns a monthly salary of GBP2,000 or maybe slightly lower. The fuel prices in UK is between GBP1.14 to GBP1.26 per litre for RON 95. We know the current fuel prices in Malaysia. And with GBP5,000 you can get an almost brand new car and insurance will set you around GBP500.00 and tax (road tax) for 2.0L is currently GBP190. Of course driving in London Mondays to Fridays between 7am to 6pm will cost GBP8.00 per day and covered parking would normally be in the region of GBP15.00 for normal shopping trips. But generally, thats it. I don’t have to state the situation in Malaysia. Everyone knows. Don’t start converting the GBP into RM. That will not be a sensible comparison and will confuse the whole issue.
What will be more appreciated is the honesty in wanting to save and the accountability in public expenditure. I believe if the government truly spend as if it earns the money itself like all of us normal Mat, Chong and Samy do, then we will be happy to help when it needs to raise money by cutting subsidies and whatnot. And, please leave politics out of this. This is serious.
From thestar—Idris Jala: M’sia must cut subsidies, debt by 2019 or risk bankruptcy
2019 : Subsidies didn’t cut = M’sia bankrupt.
2019 : Subsidies cut = Citizen bankrupt.
NICE!!!..
Fuh…. there is sure a lot of comment dat i read ehehe, juz to add in a few more info ehehe, HFO (crude oil) sure gonna deplete b4 year 2020 in tganu offshore, hehe wut a shame, so dat left kelantan, sabah & sarawak the last resort for Black Oil Industry :P now the gov 1 to share their losses with all da ppl sigh… kesian wei the poor ppl who earn below than rm600 per month.i got some idea for a start:
1. Y dont the gov juz stop subsidizing all gov car, especially all the MP & off coz the PM himself, how bout dat ehehe, let them suffer da same as da citizen :P dat sure gonna save something huh?
2. Especially to our PM, Cut all unnecessary trip of joy to oversea & let ur mrs PM go for a shopping spree? wtf…….
3. Dont over tax imported car!!!
4. Review the minimum wages for msian wei! i kesian wei seeing all those labour worker who earn less than 1k per-month.
i realy pity msian….. one of the oil rich nation (with corrupt gov) + selling low grade fuel in their own country & exported the high grade crude oil to other nation :P (europe nation only permitted high grade oil to be imported in, go and ask ppl who r working onboard tanker ship they can tell u da fact ;0) u all shud see BRUNEI ehehe small country yes? hehe rich with fuel? yes! yet the citizen get to have free EDUCATION till they start to work, yes? free MEDICATION, yes! High grade fuel + cheap price, YES!!!! NO over taxed car & how can i tell this? they survived till now ahahaha duh…. y msia so big nation with alot of income, than brunei can get bankrupt in near future? easy for me to said DACING SUDAH ROSAK, msia gov shud compare themself with brunei rather than singapore ehehe, stupid PM & PEMANDU pm ahahaha
mrs PM huh? haha.. menyampah wei tgk dia. hubby jadi PM, dia terhegeh-hegeh nak free populariti.
agreed with your 1st opinion. should let all of them feel what it’s like to pay for all the necessities. They are having all that the easy way. Should pay all that for themselves, baru diorg fikir byk kali nak naik harga minyak.
The hell with BN and UMNO, thanks to them we’re in this mess.
Idris Jala is talking from his ass, he rides a Perdana V6, free fuel, free driver,free toll. So is the BN UMNO Ministers. He should have retired after MAS, now he has become a puppet, worse a running dog for BN and he’ does not even belong to a political party lol.
Cut corruption first, put UMNO BN politicians in jail, their family members in jail, their friends, friends of friends, freeze their asset, prosecute them, humiliate them, lynch them if we must, then you talk about cutting subsidy. Niamah!
Pay a bit more on petrol cannot ahh??
drink at Club can la??
pity you…..
you drink and then pee…. such a waste haha
Gov knows their days are over soon… Just milking us dry and leave all the gray elephants for successors to pickup
i wonder who would’ve agreed easily on this matter? are they the rich and famous? are they the petrol pump owner? or.. are they the govt people who makan rasuah??
any other way i look at this matter as a middle class citizen, increasing the fuel price is bad for us. Govt need to start managing our country’s money properly.
I’ve also heard that MARA money was used for some election by the govt. and because of that, MARA sponsorship students didn’t get their book allowances! What a pity! nak blaja pun susah!
I SO agree with motberg. Mismanagement of the resources and ‘funding’ led to all these. Our nation is in debt, but because of WHO ?? Malaysia has so MANY (too many) Datuks and VIPs to feed. Ministers and deputies in SO many areas, and still we do not prosper as we should have. Compared to our nearest neighbour, Singapore, look how they have developed and the things that they have there, dollar to dollar, is SO cheap !! Ringgit to ringgit, we actually have to pay double the value. SHAME on our G for being weak in almost everything. And buying a stupid, obsolete technology submarine won’t be the envy of the rakyat. Come on people !! How much longer are we going to let our government rip us off like this ?
savings of billions? where does all the $ goes? whose pocket? after these rounds of subsidies cut, it will be another phase of price increase…it will never ends
Gov got no more spare cash to feed the cronies so the savings from subsidies will be used to feed the lembu lembu.
I used to support the removal of the petrol and other subsidies but I’m changing my mind. It seems like subsidies is the only way to ensure the country’s money actually goes back to the rakyat and not the few privileged individuals.
Can save Billion???? So what!!!!!! U want to see all good prices baloonning and more crime in Malaysia.Go ahead.
Lucky for us, insurance is not compulsary in here. unlike western country. everything is insurance. work just to pay insurance heheh. thats why AIG can sponsor Man Utd
The money the govt. saved will be channeled for more crony projects (means more room for corruption). Now the govt. is going brankrupt because they feed their cronies too much. Now they want to take away our subsidies, no way man. If they are serious in savings, they should really be serious about tackling corruption and wasting on all the wasteful projects. Look at PKFZ as one of th example…… What happened now????
OK, I can accept paying more for petrol if MLY govt reduce/abolish the punitive excise duty and sales tax on new cars. Come on Idris Jala, you are not dumb (hmmm…maybe you are since you joined the the Najis govt), running MAS would have taught you that you can’t simply take and not give something in return, right or not?
this is all caused by corruption and stupid politicians. politicians only think for themselves. The leaders should make this country prosper, should take care of its citizens. not to say all politicians are corrupt, but i’m sure many of them are. haih~
what to do. start saving la for petrol for the coming years.
kejaan kutip cukai daripada rakyat, pastu bagi balik kt rakyat sebagai subsidi…kononnya kerajaan prihatin
How bad is Malaysia’s administration?
Malaysia has more than 2 million civil servants looking after a population of 25 million only.
1) That works out to 1 civil servant for every 12.5 citizen.
With that kinda ratio, Malaysians should be getting better service and attention compared to a student attenting a private school !
2) If each paid even a low income of RM1k per month, that works out to RM2billion a MONTH on salary alone. What about other Govt administration expenses?
Petronas can drill all the oil they can… but Malaysian fate is sealed
With no where else to go… Malaysian Tax payers … good luck !
more civil servant more votes for them.. that is the logic
hey, why don’t we use bicycle from now on?? cheap and healthy!
i would gladly go back to my love bike coz my workplace is less than 10km from home. but bro, most ppl probably live v far away from their office and so this idea might not be so practical. of course, the health benefits and risks are obvious. of course, if i day dream, then employers would be given incentives to install showers for employees that cycle to work. but really, it s a tropical climate so commute by bike is limited by the heat and rain.
let’s the country bankrupt then take over by other country who have a better management. if the G still do like that, crime increase. till then all the rich ppl will ran out of this country and go to better place. till then economic become worst, we have to get everything from other country, tax collected will be less (since rich is moving away. company will close down one by one due to hike in price, employee lost job, comes increase the percentage of umemployed. more crime, human need food to survive.
G should not spend on the F1 instead they need to focus on global warming, as the water level is increasing day by day. sooner o later, the world will be flooded.
Does the minister really care about global warming?
i don think so. 1st they are aged, they will not see the future so clear.
second, they black mail the money now for the sack of their own children only. what about others?
they always say study locally, but they send their children to oversea.
when they retire, will they stay at malaysia?
like that i want to minister also
hmmm they way i see it…we gotta live without subsidies..worry not bout salary..in order to achieve wawasan 2020, we’re at least need wages and perks RM48k/year..most gov servant had less than RM40k nowdays..so change probably start with gov system..then private practice might be force to do so by ultimatum to increase corporate tax or raise workers salary..
im not being patriotic..let us compare with others country..we’re giving the most subsidies in the world (in term of per kapita)..and please dont say gov didnt pay those who cnt work/less fortunate..check out with jabatan kebajikan..gov paid em at least RM200 per month excluding medical stuff, foods etc..these were miskin n Miskin Tegar (accumultive salary RM750, RM500 and below / family)..and their children as well as those who thought they were left out can opt to learn from various skill-institutions, entrepreneur institution and raise their income by learning something for free..it up to us to grab all that..however malaysian as usual are pretty laze to seek and change..we rather sit and yellin this and that..
Idris jala was merely state a fact..we cant blame him..he obviously had business minded mentality..we cant compare his thought to general mass population opinions..gov would take his advise where its due..dont worry not all will be implement..even BN hate to lose their vote..
and again..the talk about leak, corruption, cronism etc..im not saying we’re just had to cross our finger and pray for the best..in the whole world..every country live by their law and constitution..i dont know perhaps there is a truth bout corruption infiltrate into legislative body..but without law..wut do we left with??? as i state earlier..together we stand strong..if we think the gov couldnt achieve people’s goal then so be it..vote it down in PRU13..not here..we should be better than Thai or Indonesia..chaos mean no one win..at the end we’ll be the one left to agony..
and now, i see lots of us said gov make lots of unnecessary expenses..and make us lose billions n rakyat have to pay n cover for it..let me ask u, wut do we mean by unnecessary..KLIA? Putrajaya? Sepang circuit? KLCC?? hahaha..if u knew wut i know..almost everything that gov did was for the rakyat n our future, yeah it might make someone become filthy rich but we gotta see the WHY it built in the 1st place, there is nobel reason for it, for the country..the one we should blame is people who take advantage out of it..and put a faith in SPRM..they’re doin their best to break the wall of politic, conglomerate, corporate and riches..and plz noted that there are several bodies who check n balance onto SPRM which comprise of both gov n pembangkang..so does PAC etc..so wut do we yellin for..ur bunch just bein used by n brain washed by certain politician..
i dont know in sabah @ sarawak @ others place in malaysia..somebody said fuel and gas in terengganu only last for 15 years..we must be thankful for wut we had today and be a gud malaysian by embracing all the guds and bads in every situation…check out 1 malaysia concept..in a gud time bad time we must came together..let say all of us accept with the go of subsidies but we want gov came up with a crystal clear plan to enhance our income in order to cover up our expenses n avoid inflation..then said it out loud..not by street prostest but thru ur voted YBs, like it or not they had to take notice of us. we’re the one who vote em..make petition sign by all citizen and give to our YBs either left or right wing to debate in parlimen..imagine all over malaysia we do that..sooner or later gov have to react …thats wut we call mature democracy..but sadly wut we had today is stupidy..
mature democracy…just by writng those words makes me happy…but i really doubt that we can achieve that in the near future coz many of us still cannot throw their rubbish properly…if sumthing simple like that cannot be done, then mature democracy will go bye bye….
forget to mention..global warming..man dont u see..USA n all those rich country promote us to produce less carbon n pollution whilst they retain their carbon produce..they even went to ask us n develop nation to sell our carbon quota to them thru private companys like Generation so they can mantain n increase their pollution to generate their economies while we became mo n mo stupid..those country who stupid enuff n see only instant money instead of next generation future bought it and sell their carbon quota to em..
see, every rich country only think of themself and hiding behind green world promotion.. global warming wont stop until these powerful countries react..we just have to follow thru by not being stupid enuff to fall into their trap..see wut happened to their economies..they said we’r doin it wrong in 1998..n then today they did exactly wut malaysia did to protect their eco..why? bcoz they hate that we’re smart enuff to sniff wut they want to..can u imagine today all glcs belong to foreign n we’re only had tax to generate our income…
but the gud thing is, every vehicle company in this world today know the important of global warming..this look bright n rosy..but wut about millions of other plants??? wut about crude company all over the world..dont u think they still had a grip on certain country n would purposely ask the gov to slow down the hybric or electric or solar tech..technology itself still cant cover our pollution..the boss gotta start it 1st..then we will think of it..
Good jod Gov… I like it…!!!
Good job Gov….U are always right…!!!
why need to do this, gov??
U want to save say 44 billions or whatever..
why not just expand envestment so then you can earn 4 billions more..
then no need to sembelih rakyat la.
Think business la.Make-up , rasuah tu yang buat gov hilang banyak duit..bukan pasal subsidi.Itu TANGGUNGJAWAB u.
where is the Mykad thing ahh?? i tot it gonna implement on 1st mei….. what happen??
Have been scrap !
Paultan last time also mentioned this.
U nvr read ar?
Guys chill ya… leave all these politic issues, subsidies, unsatisfaction aside and just focus on the logic.
well i personally dont mind of cutting down subsidies however to the very least we must also know how to give-and-take.
We are not in the shoe to critique how useless or stupid this move is as we never be in their shoe before but then those think tanks should at least apply some logic thinking 1st before making any decision.
As the country is trying to be developed country by 2010, one of the criteria is to upgrade their current income per capita from 7500USD to 15000USD pa. So with the removal of subsidies, government will use the money to develop the nation. logic right?
Take a ride on the reality train, where do our employee wages stand? The Aus McD example is a good 1. Our McValue lunch cost RM6.25 tax included. F&B service workers working at PizzaHut, KFC, McD outlet earning around RM3.50/hr translating a month earning rm840, a year Rm10800 equals to 3054USD. So to get the average of 7500USD income per capita is like a person working to earn a paycheck of Rm2000 per month. Wow.. see the gap?
Now we take this person earning a wages of RM2000/mth as example. Family expenses excluded, monthly repayment of a low-medium cost property is like almost half of his/her month income. Inflation is inevitable however policy makers can do their best to make thier people suffers most of the effect of inflation.
Let us do some simple thinking.
1. How many 1kg packet of sugar, 10kg packet of rice, 1kg packet of flour that an averge household consume per month?
2. How many total liters of petrol that an average household that own 2 vivas consume per month? (assuming average cars per household is 2)
3. Which cost more? 1 or 2?
4. Assuming the logic of having high car import tax is to compensate the subsidice that the government fork out, then by cutting of petrol subsidice meaning reducing car tax, right? i think any 12yr old also understand this
5. Refering back to the world history, most of the government get overturned by not putting their people as 1st prior.. high taxes, corruption, etc.. And last malaysia GE already showed sign of this phenomenon, do people learnt from mistakes?
6. By overturnning the current government, we cant be promised of the better government in future times but at least we can ruled out the current that we dont like first. and give other party a chance of 5 years, no harm trying as is us people who decide what is good for ourselves
cheers…
How to leave political issue aside when you know corruption will sure be there? Please that that into account as that’s the main reason our country is in so much debt!
So let’s say they did use that RM1 that they saved through squeezing us. They did the right thing and invest in something useful but malaysian common sense prevails here, RM1 investment equals NOT to RM1 return as we know there are sure maggots that will eat more than half of the investment away.
Now you tell me, is it worth it to take subsidy away when there are larger problems at bay? BTW, And I do agree that subsidy must be taken away at some point but it is not now or in the near future until we can rid of all these maggots.
Subsidy… what a blood boiling word! What’s more is when it comes out from the G’s mouth up there.
They said ‘people please put away your subsidy minded…’ So the rakyat are subsidy minded to them.
All their free luxo living, autos, phones, clothing top-bottom, fuel, toll etc + escorts there arent subsidies… ‘these arent subsidies, these are previlages folks! dont question ours, we deserve it’.
These are still not including projects siphoned to their chronies, pension they are getting after being ‘ousted’, ‘gifts’ given by their sweepers, acres of land aquired by little pennies, etc.
So after being left far by our former compatriot Korea, Taiwan and recently Siam, maybe in very near future Vietnam, this is what we 1Malaysia deserve for having ‘subsidy/easy rich minded’ leaders!
I think we should re-consider what we have gone through last few days.
Government suggested to use nuclear power. The main problem is Malaysia is to small. Where we are going to dump all the nuclear waste? Like US and Russia, their country is so big, got plenty of land to store all the waste. Like Japan, they have plenty of isolated island, to put their waste.
In Germany, they have successfully implemeted a solar-powered programme, even though it is very difficult to get a sunshine there!
In Malaysia, we ara so rich with our sunshine. Summer throughout the whole year! If we carefully designed a systematic solar-power system, we can even sell the electricity powered from this technology to our neighbour country.
I hope PM will get a good advice from his Scientific & Tech Advisor.
Regarding the fuel hikes, I have no further comments to be made.
agreed with you whole heartedly
in TNBR..those people there taking the solar system as something hard to implement…I still puzzle why…
well the govt is rolling back subsidies, it is gonna happen. najib has not announced it himself but he might as well had. he is asking us to tighten our belts and on page 2 of the Star today, he gets to eat gordon ramsay! needless to say, ramsay does not come cheap!
Rejang park is not the place for a PM! Wesak day temple food is not for the pm, gordon ramsay will do however! he is the “do as i say but do not do as i do” PM.
well put Edward
apparently the government is testing the tolerance level of fellow rakyat….being oil produce country, our petrol price is not competitive at all. Petronas spend billion in F1..is that subsidy?
Few Billion for this burning the money belonging to the country, at the other side, need to reduce the injection of cash flow into the local market to charge up the local buying market….
what will happen if all Rakyat sell off their Bond like ASB, ASW2020 and etc…?
i think the Government will bankcrupt immediately… No $$ to pay back too…
It’s a political tactic to push through the nuke initiative with less objection. When the gov ‘apologetically’ say they can’t afford to control oil prices, they say ‘hey, there’s this other thing we can do that can save us on electricity bills so that we can continue subsidizing petrol for you peasants. How about it?’ If the NGOs or any party object, they’ll be branded as the evil that’ll spoil the rakyat’s livelihood, having to pay high petrol prices.
Subsidies can be taken away overnight, almost. BUT where’s the supporting infrastructure once you take away something? Can the dude staying in Bukit Rimau still afford to go to work in KL since he’ll be affected by petrol & toll hike? It might be cheaper for him just to stay at home.
People in Klang Valley already find it hard to use public transportation despite having so many choices here – taxi, bus, lrt etc. What about the people in JB, Ipoh, Kuantan & Penang? Did the gov give them a choice?
But above all, I do not think that people will b1tch about the gov if there’s no unnecessary spending. The inflated costs in the Auditor General’s report every year already shows how much money this country will have if it wasn’t spent to make a few individuals rich e.g. RM10k for a regular spec laptop. It’s a self destructing way of running a country so going bankrupt is only a matter of time. But when the rakyat has to bear the cost so that a few can enjoy their overseas mansions and luxury cars, I think that’s where the line should be drawn.
If you think I’m blindly bashing, you should ask our tourism agency to clarify how much they spend in the US and what time Visit Malaysia ads are on air. Unlike people here who stay up to watch EPL, soccer’s not a big thing there and there’re no matches at 3am.
If the hike till 2015 is RM 2.30 then it will be better…too much hike will soon makes people ‘quit’ their job and balik kampung..
Enough coffee shop talk …
Undilah Barisan Nasional !!
Judging from the comments here, I’d say give it a shot govt even if it will cost you! No matter what you do people will still vote you out. You’ll lose by 5-10 % vote. Do it if you think that’s the best for the country, for our children future. Then we will see whether the other party really come to their words or senses when they win the election. Everyone’s a selfish here, they dont mind paying for clubs entrance fee, for expensive lunch at rip-off kopitiam or having sterile cup of coffee at Starbucks. iPad (20 – 30% more expensive) is fine, cigarettes is ok, booze is a must, not to mention the “investment” in 4D and later football pool. Its always the biggest mouth never ever pay the tax (as only 5% of working population is paying). God Bless Malaysia!
Unfortunately, not all are like that. Some had to cut back on many personal luxuries to maintain a family.
This is the time, the G should look into this of vehicle, either is EV or Hybrid vehivle..
Petrol price keep on increasing while Tax, excess and duties nv reduce…
This G getting crazy. G have to admit that they no longer hv fund to operate this country..
Issue the new Billion Ringgit of Islamic Bond, at the same time, reducing the subsidies…? ( Pinjam loan utk Bayar Loan)
Still wanna increase the toll…?
Who is the person sign the agreement allowing the toll increase price every few years?
Sime Darby making RM3b lose?
Petrol in EM, block L and M….?
Any good answer for above question for Rakyat Malaysia?
Come on man…. Where is the $$$$$ belonging to Rakyat Malaysia?
Do we still need to pay the high price for the car and at the same time for the petrol?
For me, i am still partially afford to the changes, but i dont think so for the majority poor bumiputera and Indian will start their suffering life…
Guys, if you look for a better future for your family, especially your childs, i think you shouid know what to do in the next General Election… Each of your vote worth more than this stupid changes of the G…….
Fight for your future, or else we sending our own future to the darkness world
This totally not the way to do this. Gomen is going to get bankrupt mainly because off too much corruption. i think we are one of the top 3 most corrupted country in SEA region.
haha. try Laos, Myanmar, Vietnam, Cambodia, Philipines, Indonesia & Thailand. Oh, forget to add, Brunei is there as well. Try exporting some oil and gas equipment and see. Please learn your geography properly
wat d fuss n wuss if it goes all the up to RM 5.00 per litre ?!!!!! so what?!!!!. unbelievable but true, drivers still blast their ways like rocket into outer space
Again, opening up the auto markets (which has being going on 4ever) and float the petrol price seems a fair approach to all malaysians, I reckon.
if they do wanna up the fuel price, then plz lower the car price too, ie cut the APs, no import duty for CBU cars & others kind of transport same goes to spare parts.
what is the counter measure to this fuel hike? don’t just throw in the problem and walk away, don’t leave us “no choice” to to take it! when can proton or perodua come out with hybrid or EV cars…and price it at affordable range?
Very good move by the gomen to make us independent. This is the best thing to happen yet. We have buses, taxis, bicycle, so why you folks complaint? Not happy? Well why didn’t you do the math on how they calculate the numbers…. it’s whole bunch of rubbish anyway, but there are many smart people who can help. Like… errr.. samy
yup! semi value will be made minister in charge of potong subsidy, sorry tsu koon, u tsu (“lose” in mandarin) liao! LOL! kesian tsu koon, his best buddy idris jala is hogging all the limelight along with general samy, dunno where to taruk his KRA face. LOL!
Like Najid said : You help Me, I help you”
I am agree with what the G said.. Reduce subisidiary, but at the same time, you hv to reduce the import tax which related to the item you gonna reduce the subsidies as well.
Increase of fuel price Vs Reduce of Excess, Duties and Import Tax
Increase of Toll Price Vs % of improvement of Public Transport
Are you going to reduce Income Tax?
I can give a very good suggestion at here, those who buy monthly coupon/ticket for Public transport, should entitle tax reduction up to RM1000 per year..
This is a very good practise for internet bill up to RM600 per year…
Each year, those individual income level below RM1500, should entitle food voucher up to RM600 per year for them… Which we can monitor through their employer montly salary reporting… Voucher printed their name by G department, distribute it through their employer… Through this method, all of the below par income individual or family will enjoy the actual benefit…
Guys, i dont mind to pay a bit higher of petrol… I hope the actual poor Rakyat, don’t care whether they are Bumi or Non Bumi, those who need help, they do receive the aid too… By only doing this way, country only can be rich…
Am i right…? or i am wrong again…?
“Government think tank proposes fuel hikes – 15 sen this year and RON95 to cost RM2.60 by 2015” ……………… THANK YOU BARISAN NASIONAL!!!! VIP DIDAHULUKAN, DUIT DI UTAMAKAN!!! ( businessman – now i have reason for up my sugar, rise, milk, bla, bla bla bla bla bla… price !!!! hua hua hua )
Agree with the government’s suggestions. Provided the ministers up to the PM will have to pay with their own pocket money in full. Not relying on government allowances. If they want to travel from Putrajaya to KLIA on a V6, sorry Datuk Seri, you need to top up fuel. Government tak sponsor minyak…government bagi pinjam kereta, Datuk Seri isi minyak bayar sendiri. I believe this should be more than fair enough….
hah! i dont think that will happen, ministers akan merajuk tak dapat official car! when they start paying for it out of their own pockets is when the sun will rise from the west!
Or do it like the UK (since our VIPs like to shop and send their children to sekolah there), the civil servants and MPs take public transportation.
good for all of us…. hahahha…. funny they asked the public for feedback or opinions… if you people read between the lines… it just means the people you hv voted to become the Govt do not know what they are doing…. why do u need feedback if you know what is best for the country… we pay the PM’s salary to do his job competently and not carrying out surveys almost every day (by PEMANDU etc)… that kind of work a kid can do what???!!!
it’s them who racked up the RM362billion debt in the first place…. now, we need to thank all of those who voted for them because it is all of Malaysian and their children & grandchildren & great grandchildren who will be paying for this debt and there goes the rest of our lives… paying for someone’s elses sh*tty mismanagement of public funds…. thank you very much…
DUIT DIDAHULUKAN..RAKYAT DIBIARKAN..
If Idris Jala (Pemandu) read this,
Well, if the G going to bankrupt of subsidy, than you Mr Idris, who came from respectful corporate entity, should table to the 1Malaysia people (say as an add. in newspaper) PROJECTED CASHFLOW for when and how the G is going to bankrupt.
The 1Malaysia people wont understand it? Well, I think at least 1 person per Malaysian household went thru tertiary edu. So dont worry, these people can teach their family member. So mister, you just do what you are paid for.
What we want is JUSTIFICATION… we are bosses of your boss up there. Ahh… just like when you were reporting to you higher boss last time man!
you are right man! they didnt show where the money spend, i mean will subsidi only bankrupt the country? where did the spending goes?
I think they must be forget to say the spending to fund who and who houses in UK/Australia, or who and who’s ferarri or lamborgini in town..
For e.g we still paying R&D fund for a losing money automotive company! why not sell it for RM1 like used to be.
haiya…everytime our so call expert said something about budget/economic plan. rakyat selalu on the rugi side… if they want to reduce subsidies…by all mean.. they can go for it. but it must be a give and take la…you cut the fuel, toll, and any subsidies, then you must cut others tax ( vehicles, F&B, services, GST). baru balance…if not… even roti canai kosong at mamak stall will cost you RM2 per piece…soon
why we always want to save cost but effect the rakyat. it will no change our national economic issue . our G should think how to make money. let the market open and play fair. bring the investor to Malaysia…and not spending on something waste
Asking the rakyat to sacrifice and support the cutting of subsidies, and here they are throwing away the nation’s money. How often do we read this type of news, but no one is sent to jail for misappropriation.
No wonder the culprits are getting more and more daring. BN, the rakyat will never support your proposal to cut subsidies. Stop corruption first, then you’ll see how rich Malaysia can be.
Furthermore, stop the spin that 61 percent of the people support your proposal to cut subsidies according to your survey. Allow an independent company to do the survey, and I bet you at least 80 percent of the people are against the cutting of subsidies.
Thank you BN.. I like you all!! My father work at money printing company.. i can pay whatever shit you offer! Hidup 1Malaysia!
It felt sick to see how our Govt suck the blood out of the Rakyat!
Simple economics: if the Rakyat has depleted disposable income, then, there’ll be less public/household spending as everyone tighten their belts, hence, unhealthy market liquidity which causes a decline in the economy….. worse case scenario, the Rakyat survives on debts and accumulated credits which can bring to a burst of the credit bubble…. thus causing a slow but sure death…..
I love Malaysia, my country and my home, just wish there is light and hope for Genuine Leaders with True Intentions to Build this wonderful Nation and not continuously feed their passion for Greed!!
if the car price is down by half like in other country, i really dont mind pay extra for the fuel.
nice view. agreed with that ;-)
half? really? Vios is about 25% cheaper in Thai, not half. and Persona is still cheaper than Vios even if Vios imported without tax.
we’re the largest market in south east asia for passenger cars, and do you know that if we import more & more cars, we’re gonna be bankrupt much faster?
even poorer countries like indonesia and thai don’t have so much subsidies compared to Malaysia.
Phew! 608 comments and in counting! Haha. This what happen when you raised the price of oil without giving the rakyat nothing in return.
Remove Proton protection, its not empowering the car industry, its holding back the chosen one! (Toyota, Honda, BMW, VW and etc).
NAP is not a policy, it is taking a nap! Remove NAP for the betterment of Malaysian car industry. There’s no need for poor rakyat to keep their 25 years old Proton Saga anymore. Furthermore, it ain’t safe!
Government Think Tank? Yes, they’re “filling up” their “belly” tank first! Set policies to safeguard their own ass. Wang diutamakan dahulu, rakyat dikemudiankan!
Government should seriously “Think Back” on what to cut;
1) Cut subsidy in the form of AP to the AP Kings!
2) Remove NAP, in the form of unnecessary tax and duty on import cars.
3) Remove unnecessary protection on Proton, sampai bila? Another 250 years?
4) Buy all the major Toll to lessen the rakyat burden. You increased the Toll price, and you even extend the Concessionaire duration for many years! Even my great-great grandson will still need to pay the same Toll in the next 100 years.
5) Don’t forget, the rakyat is paying “the fuel subsidy” transferred in the form of duty+tax on all import cars and even local cars. You use our money “pusing modal” to subsidize our fuel, and tell us its from you? To make matters worst, Malaysia is an oil producing country, you even “sedekah” 2 blocks of RM300 Billion oil field to Brunei. You’re clever than Robin Hood! I applaud!
General Election is just around the corner and yet you did the same mistake over and over again! Don’t you guys learned your lesson! Sheesh! Otak udang! Even a noble “pakcik penyapu jalanan” duduk tepi jalan knows economics better than you idiots with Masters and PhD in the Economics Unit!
Bertaubat wahai pakcik oi!
don’t forget IPP too.
paling aku menyampah…bila subsidi nak di hapuskan..dia tanya..pegawai eksekutif,ceo,pak menteri, cuba tanya..orang biasa…ada diorg setuju…hampeh tul la…belanja pandai…cari duit ngok…1malaysia…judi pun bedal….
ask P1 and P2 to built cars with 200 km/liters first then I’ll agree..
pakai kreta letrik je lah.
hi paul, we like ur new webpage layout & format :-)
anyway, this hike & cuts would probably leave the country folks “poorer” coz other essential items would cost more.
U know how its like for traders to increase their price when there’s a few cents fuel hike. What goes up may not go down again… pity.
ayah: hang blaja ekonomi kat mana ni?
anak: blaja kat paultan.org abah.
Now all the ministers and politikus are clamoring to say this is just an exercise to get rakyat’s feedback. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…….. . As if you didn’t know what feedback to expect.
Ba-bi Najjis, you should know why people have such an ill feeling towards you. Passing by PWTC during the General Assembly is like visiting Naza Automall. That’s where the country’s money went. Not to mention the overseas residences in UK, Aus, Canada etc.
I do not agree that we should pay market price but I think we should reduce the subsidy a bit. And there are ungrateful Malaysians smuggling out our subsidised goods. These are traitors and should be punished.
now im start seaching bicycle…use bicycle in town..buy a good mtb or transporter fordable bike..
good good! wear a helmet and ride safe! FB also got groups that share routes to work.
good good! are you riding to work? on FB ada groups for commuting to work on bike, they share routes also! wear a helmet and ride safe ya, and until petrol is rm5 a litre,them drivers they dont care about US!
I tot not too long ago I heard some half-wit minister said we shouldn’t complaint about car price coz we already got cheap petrol? Or is it subsidy prepaid at car point-of-sale? I can’t really remember, coz I’m just confused by their words. I think I can understand SemiValue’s speech better.
and some running dog MCA deputy minister “thanked” proton for making cars cheap for the people! hah! what a joke! he clearly was thinking with his puny kok and he probably drives round in a conti marque!
i think i heard this too!!!
like that also dont make sense, since that means we would be subsidising ourselves! what for! might as well i pay cheap car then petrol expensive then i dont mind! now pay expensive car and have to pay more expensive petrol!
This is ridiculous, why we must vote for BN if we knew BN are not able to maximize nation wealth, instead, nation are been penalized for expensive car and expensive petrol. It has become very obvious that the BN government are unable to handle the country economy.
yah.. buy more floatmarines..
what i can extract from idris proposal is to reduce subsidies and save more money… i don’t mind about it, lots of advantage come with it…
however, that’s not the way to increase wealth, it’s just to reduce the nation’s spending…, when there are no more subsidies to remove, what the next action the gov will take? (maybe increase the price on daily product)… if to increase wealth is what the gov want, there a lot of choices that gov can take…
be in right mind when continue to read, remove all of authorize permits… so far that i know about AP, gov didn’t generate money from that permit… i think even without AP anyone can buy an imported car…. so what the purpose of AP?
another choice is to increase penang public transportation… until the moment i write this, i’m still thinking that penang second bridge is an utterly stupid idea, that won’t reduce traffic jams in penang, it make the traffic in island is more congested… what i want is an alternative way to get to penang, so why don’t the gov just build an LRT to penang? further more build also LRT for outer ring and inside ring raill in the island…
there are still several path that the gov can take to increase wealth… it’s up to our PM to think about this… what ever step that he take, it show to the public and the world whether he is a brilliant PM or just another daily pumpkin boy…
Since petrol price is keep on increasing, it is better to abolish subsidies and to follow world oil prices. Car Tax should be abolish as well. Road should be free from toll.
No more protection to Proton.
Gov not appropriate spending should be cut off.
Excess money can be use to increase m’sian salary and increase public transport services.
Just my opinion.
This is 90% of rakyat (non-political people)’s wish man.
aper susah…buang jer semua subsidi..biar orang yang mampu jer la pakai kereta, isi minyak.. yang tak mampu buat tak tau sudah…buat per nak cakap banyak, jangan jadi biar papa asal bergaya…
then nanti PRU baru papa2 semua jawab haha.. sian rakyat malaysia, benda tak buat lagi dah melenting2..haha .. najib bukannya pal lah bro..vote mau dijaga..pah lah tu over confident sgt..tu brani naikkan sampai 30 sen sekaligus..neway seems like the G nowday enjoys to poke on rakyat..kg baru, fuel, subsidy, etc..hmmmmm..
Great news! I’m looking forward to pay my “wantan mee” at RM10.00 by 2015
These people already raised the prices of their goods a couple of years back when the petrol was like RM2.60 or RM2.80/litre but never bother to lower it when it went back to RM1.80/litre. Now even better, they can increase it yearly from 2012 onwards.
I didn’t vote this govt to do this. This is not what I want. I’ll have to choose another govt next time, see whether they can give me what I want. For the people, by the people.
HEAR! HEAR!
the G will kena in the coming GE…just wait n c…
damm, cars price already 200% tax, $ 1.80 for RON 95 already consider expensive for a country with Oil, our stp gov alway compared with the country who without oil or country 10 years behind malaysia, never hear of any news with compared with country with oil, alway compared apple with grape…..THAT IS WHY MALAYSIA IS SO WEAK….
the TAX from petronas, 1 years how many billion or million, this i am not sure, but i believe is cover enought for inner country,
Toll increse, of course this gov cannot do anything, because that already contracted, but mana satu stp minister approved and signed and agreed this contract ? with this conditions?
of course, that is good and bad of the gov, like gov contribute education etc, but that is just a peas of nuts for gov, like the Singaporian said, if gov malaysia is smart enought, today it won’t far behind from SG, if gov malaysia is pandai enought, it won;t 80% of the economy control by the chinese and india.
that is only 2 ways i will full support the gov increase the price of everything on the news paper list,
1. SET THE MIN SALARY for MALAYSIA or INDO Foreigner
2. Personal TAX and company TAX from 28% cut half
the above just my own opinion, but i believe a lot of malaysian are agreed what i am said..
wow… the postings continue. The never ending condemnation of high car prices and Malaysians are still buying cars by the truckloads. High fuel price? People still drive to the neighbourhood shops that are within walking distance and while they being irrational at it, might as well double park too… ugly Malaysians…. stupid government? well then, a government made up of Malaysians….
yes i do agree with a fuel price hike, since it will stop alot of idiots doing stupid things in their cars like napping with the engine, lepak at the parking lot and having intimate relations and of course going to the shops when they could walk.
as for buying cars now, what choice do ppl have? i have tried going to work at my hq and it can take up to 2 hours to get home by train when i can do it in less 1.5 hours in a car! and i live where there is a straight line connection!
so clear that this govt has not honoured their promise to improve public transit.
and Malaysians can argue about almost anything… about the extension of the LRT line, people are protesting that they don’t want it to go through their housing area and when asked why they do not use public transport, answer is there are no stops nearby. There is no LRT/Komuter/monorail station right in front of my office but I have no complain walking to the nearest station which is about 1km away.
sorry, a bit off topic
agreed! klang valley ppls can be so selfish and lazy! they dont want to pay full price of tolls so expect the rest of country’s taxpayer to subsidise them and they are willing to cruise the parking lot until they find a spot right next to the entrance. even when they have car they claim going to klang from kl is far?! go figure?! when i worked in kl sentral i would walk to my ktm station about 20mins away to go to work
agreed, klang valley residents most of them are like that, include myself,
btw, if i take public transport to my office..i need spend a lot of time just because of WAITING and i believe if the infrastructure is good enough like SG, HK..etc, everybody will use it, at that time, if u increase to RM 3 or 4, majority…who care…because the alternative is good..
if increasing the price for petrol and gas is must, everything will be increasing too, maybe a small teh tarik will charge u on 1.80 too…1 roti canai kosong charge u 1.40,
hope gov can reduce can do something for us
example …
1. the tax of personal from 28% to 18%….
2. forcing EPF paid us min 8% pa on our saving too
3. Reduce car tax. from 200% to 100%
4. Free Education and medication for all malaysian
5. add in MIN income among malaysia and foreigner as well.
if can do this, i am willing to paid 2.60 per little as well.
i thought number 4 already have?
3. Reduce car tax. from 200% to 100%. You must be very rich and naive if you are willing to be taxed even 10%.
I do not claim to speak for everyone over here, but I do think almost everybody in this blog will agree that an excise duty of more than 10% is unwarranted.
A good comparison is to compare with those well managed countries and see how they treat their citizens.
rather than just remove the subsidies from petrol, it’s better to remove everything like 200% tax, APs and so on… more important, remove corruption from all level, so no more price increase…
yup.. tax tax tax.. and pls also scrap/reduce the high road tax for 2.4l car above since subsidy for fuel is reduced.. some countries also adapt with the road tax abandoned but mark up at the fuel price..
read an article in motortrader.com.my. surprise surprise, Mahathir said the Proton project was planned only for local, and export if there is a surplus.
n he also said the first gen Proton Saga failed for UK market with 200 parts failed, n because of that they replaced with mitsu parts. no wonder we c export Saga has mitsu dashboard. ( the ori first SAGA)
n for them to make money they artificially jack up other makes car price.
and for 26 years we have to suffer n buy outdated products. way to go malaysia!
increase 1 cents also can make them rich like hell what the hack increase for feeding more uselss assssssessss…
i have never heard reduce, 1 malaysia, 1 Malaysia,….yayaya good to hear…
1Malaysia, 1 Malaysia,,,……
”want Malaysia”…..money $$
You want some changes in the government policies you have to change the government or we will stuck with it for ever and ever. No matter who our PM, if it’s the same political party so the policies is still the same. They have been cut our subsidies for more than 5 years and what happen to the subsidy money? What is the contribution that our government have given personally that have effect on you or me..mostly the middle class citizens. We still have to pay for every thing and the public transportation is still not getting any improvement, the car price is still high, the tol price is getting higher, food price is getting higher, sugar is always out of stock…so.. it’s all just the same no matter what, but now they taken our money, our subsidies money, rakyat money, and they betray us while using the slogan “Rakyat didahulukan, Pencapaian diutamakan”.
Why vote for the same government if we know they are going to take away our subsidies? It’s our choice. Do you vote for someone that promise to cut your allowance?