2nd Proton BLM Stage-by-Stage Teaser Demo
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Proton had their second stage-by-stage build up teaser for the new Proton Saga replacement, codenamed the Proton BLM last night at Cineleisure Mutiara Damansara. I actually got there late and it was all over, so here are the photos I snapped of the end result of the 2nd night of the build-up activity.
We have already seen a new teaser chassis with a complete roof frame instead of the roofless chassis on the first night, so this 2nd “stage” of teaser might not be very new to us. Proton has added one of the car’s four doors and front fenders and the rest of the roof to the demo car. On the last night of the build up which is on the 17th, we will most probably see the car get front and rear bumpers, the rest of its doors and interior trim.
More photos after the jump, with a total of 8 in this post.
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Related Proton BLM Buildup Teaser Posts:
- Proton BLM pre-launch teaser campaign
- Proton BLM stage-by-stage build-up teaser – (6th January 2008)
- Updated Proton BLM stage-by-stage build-up teaser – (10th January 2008)
Related Proton BLM Posts:
- Proton BLM: New Proton Saga Teaser Video
- Bookings now open for the new Proton BLM
- New Saga Replacement Proton BLM sighted with minimal disguise on the road
- Proton and the Indian automotive industry
- Black and white Proton BLM spyshot
- New Proton BLM spyshot – this time in turquoise!
- Another rear shot of the Proton BLM
- Is this the new Proton BLM?
- Clearer Proton BLM side profile spyshots
- Proton BLM Artist’s Impression by Maru
January 12, 2008 @ 5:52 pm
the back part is like the nissan latio
January 12, 2008 @ 6:17 pm
The “erection” so visible in 3, 4 & 5th pictures. Still no sign of date for official launch!
January 12, 2008 @ 6:26 pm
BigFish: It will be launched on the 18. [Source] Now you have your sign. Stop creating faults out of thin air. The erection is called a parking brake lever, stop making this blog an 18SX blog. You are definititely not showing good behaviour because I had to edit lots of stuff (the usual blind this, blind that) from one of your posts that I’ve approved today, so your moderation will be extended to 3 weeks instead of 2.
January 12, 2008 @ 6:34 pm
yah…bigfish…Proton gonna lauch it at 18 of january 2008!!
Paul,
have you tried driving persona??how much difference can you feel between GEN2 and persona?
anyone own or test driven the persona??how it feels compared to gen2?
January 12, 2008 @ 6:36 pm
Can’t wait to see the final product.
January 12, 2008 @ 6:47 pm
…
January 12, 2008 @ 7:07 pm
dont wory “ejeculate” on the 18th
January 12, 2008 @ 7:11 pm
sorry paul ,,,
please delete if
January 12, 2008 @ 7:15 pm
im looking foward too,
3/4 rear is nice,
really want to see its stance its from front 3/4
January 12, 2008 @ 8:06 pm
imagine if proton was hand made, this is how long it will take. probably 10 cars a year
January 12, 2008 @ 8:09 pm
*cont,
there will be no argument on quality issue, everything is fit properly
January 12, 2008 @ 8:58 pm
looks good and promising…
i actually plan to buy my first car by the end of this year.
this BLM is in my list… hehe
January 12, 2008 @ 9:22 pm
sorry to tell that, the New Saga brochure has been leaked and circulated in the net…. go look for it…. what I can say is… the end product looks very promising… for this price range….
January 12, 2008 @ 9:25 pm
and yes it will still be called Saga….
January 12, 2008 @ 9:30 pm
so where its leaked
January 12, 2008 @ 9:30 pm
moreover..the interior is cool..
January 12, 2008 @ 9:43 pm
I dont think it appropriate to disclose it here…. but you can search for it in one of proton cars club…. hope you understand…
January 12, 2008 @ 9:45 pm
The car looks taller, thus the stability during cornering would be questionable.
Looking forward to test drive to find out the actual condition.
January 12, 2008 @ 9:53 pm
smallfish..
there were many so called taller car around …i.e kenari, atoz, kembara….
January 12, 2008 @ 10:07 pm
overall its look sturdy, in appearence,
January 12, 2008 @ 10:12 pm
Would be fun to see few turn tuttle! Its really too high!
Car designed to be taller would degrade it stability as center gravity is high… Anyone notice that Altis are not as sharp as its predecessor!
Should opt Honda design language…. First, Oddysey go LOW! Now Stream are lower!
January 12, 2008 @ 10:14 pm
pls. share out the comments over the enginer performance once the group members able to get a hand on it…lets share it out to benchmark…
January 12, 2008 @ 10:20 pm
I was there that night. I thought it would be a major buid-up but they only put up a door and roof. They even shouted “Proton Boleh!!” three times after the buid-up. Hope Proton can really make it this time.
January 12, 2008 @ 10:30 pm
I went 2 search at proton car club & google but could’nt get 2 see brochure. Hope someone can give the address
January 12, 2008 @ 10:42 pm
i want brochure. loq@yahoo dot com. feel free to mel me
January 12, 2008 @ 10:44 pm
hrm… after 5 secs google. i found brochur. brochur pengurusan jenazah kat singapore. ape daaa. nk BLM. paultan… help ur readers plzzz! heheh.
January 12, 2008 @ 10:57 pm
In my entire life, I’ve never seen a car being photographed like that before!
Oh my, hahaha….
Anyway, let’s keep hunting for that brochure.
January 13, 2008 @ 12:10 am
Good that the launch date is confirm at 18 Jan 08. But to peek at the car for me is kinda unnecessary. Even if inside is Ferrari, I won’t go to peek as well.
Just waite for another week and go to showroom to see the actual car.
January 13, 2008 @ 12:54 am
transformer,
the car is practically empty. for sure it looks higher now. the springs are designed to carry a lot more weight. have you ever seen a car with the engine removed? its nose is practically pointing skyward.
considering protons ability to tune good handling cars, i have no doubt in my mind that it will definitely be class leading again in terms of handling. hopefully, there will be less problems with this car as compared to past protons. but of course, all new cars from all manufacturers have problems, its up to proton to ensure that their customer service works 110% to keep customers happy.
January 13, 2008 @ 1:06 am
i dont like the interior… maybe coz I.m not keen with savvy interior… yes.. everything looks like savvy except the aircond vent.. they change the shape to round shape… the radio panel also looks a bit different. But I can’t tell much from one interior pic.
January 13, 2008 @ 1:24 am
whoooa… i think one day this BLM owner can become mechanic laa…
they can do by themself by referring this picture:) just plug n play:) i hope so 
paul..you are very very diligent la… always update the picture for us.. thanks aa.
January 13, 2008 @ 1:55 am
BLM is forking ugly maaan…….
January 13, 2008 @ 2:06 am
Wah…..the car is so nice, really nice, i really mean it. Front like Camry, Back like mercedes. Too bad i just bought the merdeka saga……
January 13, 2008 @ 2:07 am
Check it out here
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mohdhaizi/Proton%20BLM/4da0d412.jpg
January 13, 2008 @ 2:21 am
Hi Everyone!
Just wanna update and remind that the BLM engine uses DRIVE BY WIRE SYSTEM…so when u guys test it later, dun be ’shy’ with the throttle. With the new mapping and IAFM, Its a fun, powerful and responsive car to drive.
Cheers!
January 13, 2008 @ 2:24 am
hehe. finally. i can see and read da brochur and oso can touch my laptop screen. what can i say… i wanna buy lor becoz of its exterior. interior i dont mind lor. mcm laki skang tgk muka pompuan cantik pun da ckp. heheh!
January 13, 2008 @ 2:30 am
loquitor… would please email me the brochure?
it’s fairozee@hotmail.com
thanks
January 13, 2008 @ 2:31 am
Brochure:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/218/2008protonsagabrochure0rk5.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/163/2008protonsagabrochure0nn7.jpg
January 13, 2008 @ 3:02 am
thanks siva… loos nice on Brochure.. susa sket nk baca… thanks alot..
January 13, 2008 @ 3:33 am
thanks siva….ur da man!!!u talk less..but give us the important news and show us the most important thing we wanna all this while…thanks again man!!
January 13, 2008 @ 3:58 am
wow..thanks for siva brochure…finally can c how irs interior looks like..not bad…simple as well…bt the torque output din improved?
January 13, 2008 @ 4:04 am
BigFish said,
January 12, 2008 @ 6:17 pm
The “erection†so visible in 3, 4 & 5th pictures. Still no sign of date for official launch!
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If you notice there’s no seat installed,but since you like the parking brake so much you can sit on it….hehe..
January 13, 2008 @ 4:17 am
Thanks Siva….simple looking sedan,not bad…but not for the ’sporty looking’ fan…
January 13, 2008 @ 4:39 am
wow.. looking at those links from the previous posters.. i reckon this car will sell well.. especially those fresh families
January 13, 2008 @ 8:30 am
Once again I want to thank Paul Tan for updating us and Siva with the brochure.
I think BigFish will always be the same. Don’t think he will change and learn. In his previous post on this BLM stage by stage teaser demo, after given warning by Paul, he apologized. Then, later he was taking about “buntut semut keranga api†and “lawn mover engine” and now about the parking / hand brake lever. SORRY KONON BUT KEEP REPEATING THOSE NONSENSE THINGS! That’s why he doesn’t feel sorry about what he said about me “cocky parrot”. At least this parrot (me, as you said), know how to thank people / for others!
Well, back to NEW SAGA. We have 5 days to go to really see and feel this SAGA. Only until all of us see and feel the real end product, we can give more solid comments based on facts and judge it.
January 13, 2008 @ 9:17 am
wow, it look very nice car from front and rear..very pretty car..hebat P1..this became hot car this year…i want to get one..
January 13, 2008 @ 9:39 am
I think front look of this new SAGA is more ‘GARANG’ than Gen2 and Persona. Soon, with creative exterior mods, this car might look better than TRD Vios. Theo Chin, anything for us?
January 13, 2008 @ 10:23 am
Thanks for posting the brochure pic.
It does look rly decent for the price. Im sure it has aesthetic modding potential. Although i like the conservative styling cues. Not too boxlike, not too flying saucer-ish, not too dugong-ish.
January 13, 2008 @ 10:33 am
Once again I wanted to thank Paul Tan for updating us with new Proton Saga’s stage by stage teaser demo and to Siva for the brochure.
I think BigFish will always be the same and will never change. Last time he did apologized to us and he said he will learn and things like that. Then again he said about the “buntut semut keranga api” and “lawn mover engine” of this new Saga and now about the parking / hand brake lever. Erection? SORRY KONON BUT STILL REPEAT THE SAME MISTAKES / ERRORS / RUMOURS / NONSENSE / SPECULATIONS etc. Please don’t repeat again BigFish by putting some rubbish (including X Rated) in Paul’s blog.
OK, back to this new Saga. Still have 5 days to go till the car is launch. So, we will give better solid comments and judge it.
Happy motoring to everyone.
January 13, 2008 @ 11:14 am
cant wait to see the real car……..
January 13, 2008 @ 11:18 am
The smell of your skin lingers on me now
You’re probably on your flight back to your hometown
I need some shelter of my own protection baby
Be with myself and center clearity
Peace surenity
I hope you know, I hope you know
That this has nothing do with you
It’s personal myslef and I
We got some straighten’ out to do
And im gonna miss you like a child misses their blanket
But I gotta get a move on with my life
It’s time to be a big boy now
January 13, 2008 @ 12:22 pm
Nice briefing about BLM on NST- CBT today!
Yea, a bit tall for Saga but who cares?
January 13, 2008 @ 12:31 pm
So Paul… I think you dont need to update the BLM assembling process anymore.. since the brochure has been leaked (so called called corporate secrecy)… but, anyway still relevant for those who wants to know about it’s technicalities… personally think, the future does looks bright for Proton… which claims the body uses high tensile steel and stronger than their current Gen-2 and Persona…as read in Berita Minggu today…
January 13, 2008 @ 12:34 pm
oops sorry it should be CBT of NST…. too much weekend news paper reading… got confused…hehehe
January 13, 2008 @ 12:39 pm
the new steering wheel look more nicer…the radio pamel suk….
January 13, 2008 @ 12:40 pm
i kinda like it….
a step forward for malaysia….
Proton can only get better….
January 13, 2008 @ 12:43 pm
With Siva’s link on the BLM aka Saga brochure, we can see the whole picture for Saga from the comfort of our laptop/PC with the punch of keyboard.
Why bother line under hot sun to peek-here-and-there yet can’t see much about the car?
January 13, 2008 @ 12:53 pm
Look at Siva’s link on brochure, Saga front grill is really “Audi-ish”! Ho, ho, ho, ho, ………. continental front look lor ……..
January 13, 2008 @ 2:10 pm
BigFish: that is because leaked brochures and photos taken insite holding yards are ILLEGAL as it is considered publishing copyrighted material without authorisation (brochure) and trespassing on private property (holding yards)
i can only publish these build up teasers. because of the large amount of traffic i have, have to play by the law.
January 13, 2008 @ 4:51 pm
And now this is going to be a peoples’ car for Malaysian.
Reviewing at the car i contemplate, it’s just now after years of indiscretion and nonsense, that Proton has eventually realized and got back to the basic to answering the majority’s quest.
I strongly believe that this is the car that will catapult the viability of Proton survivability ..well at least in Malaysia. This is the kind of car that they should emphasize on developing and innovating at the first place instead of messing excessively with those bloody Savvy, Satria, Arena lumberjack ? or what so ever.
I predict and 99 % confident that this car will bring a big jumbo sales to Proton and it might claim back the reign that it has lost to P2 sonce couple of years ago. Syed Zainal has delivered what he vowed.
January 13, 2008 @ 5:20 pm
neo, savvy got its portion in market though not as large as saga,
jumbuck is definitely not for malaysian,
i think if really proton car want to go cheap commercial, lite ‘van’ this saga could be minimally developed into combi, but still feasibility should well studied,
series models ,variant ,facelift making automotive world ‘alive’ and vibrant,
,,,,,unless its a dull boring, non crative, piece of auto maker,
January 13, 2008 @ 5:31 pm
if you look at the rear where the boot latch to be clicked in, the horizontal piece acts like a ‘c’ channel beam which also add some rigidity in response to impact if one
January 13, 2008 @ 5:35 pm
some say tall, well actually its a european small compact sedan in form,
January 13, 2008 @ 7:02 pm
Just now went to Jaya Jusco Equine Park Seri Kembangan. There are Hyundai new models on display.
1. The all new 2008 Hyundai Accent 1.4L look very similar to new Saga, especially the front grill Audi-ish design and the rear lamp.
2. The all new 2008 Hyundai Elantra 2.0L look like very spacious and some part look like Civic, especially head lamp with “bigger bug eye”. RM 93K, who is interested.
Anyway, Paul why you don’t blog these 2 new models, it look elegant and value for monies. Sorry for out of topic.
OK now talk about copyright, as a layman, what I know to publish any copyright material you shall obtain consent from the owner irrespective of whether it is inside private property and/or leaked brochures.
Tresspassing is another separate issue @ enter private property without owner consent.
Anyway the brochure shall be register with the Intellectual Property Right at Level 32, Dayabumi only they can claim to their copyright.
Any lawyer here to give better/legal advice?
January 13, 2008 @ 7:07 pm
I did not even know there was a new Hyundai launched.
January 13, 2008 @ 7:10 pm
copyright
January 13, 2008 @ 7:57 pm
“series models ,variant ,facelift making automotive world ‘alive’ and vibrant,
,,,,,unless its a dull boring, non crative, piece of auto maker,”
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Yes at certain measure, that’s true but there’s one auto maker which was too obsess about excessively coming up with several nonsense models, variants and face-lifts which had persistently disarrayed peoples’ quests and hopes on local automotive industry by neglecting their basic and fundamental model.
You got to emphasize and build up a strong stance for the basic model to be established in the market foremost before venturing and messing too EXCESSIVELY with other variants.
See how Toyota uphold their Corolla, Honda with their Civic, Nissan with their Sunny or now favorably known as Sentra, Volkswagen with their Beetle and Golf. Those juggernauts are far more ‘alive’ and ‘vibrant’ yet still stick hard to their basic brand and keep on innovating them day by day to align with the time.
But that one piece of auto maker has ‘neglected’ their basic significant model for more than 15 years with out any laudable innovation and improvement yet obsess to ‘overly’ venture into something else with the objective to ’show-off’ and make the Malaysian automotive more alive and vibrant ?!. And believe me, that kind of characteristic is what has put the tiger almost suicidal by trying to show-off to the world that it can stand tall with out its feet on the ground at the very edge of cliff.
Luckily it has realized and on the ground it stands at last. The decision to retain the ‘Saga’ name is applaudable in my point of view.
January 13, 2008 @ 8:06 pm
new blm smart n simple……….but for kaki modified sure u can see after few days own this car, mesti semua tukar like MYVY hahahahhaha!!!
January 13, 2008 @ 8:59 pm
To Bigfish:
Jaya Jusco Equine Park is not in Seri Kembangan, it’s on the way to Seri Kembangan.It’s still located in Equine Park, Puchong.
January 13, 2008 @ 10:15 pm
bro……thanks for the broacher…….. its really looking good with handsome interior yet simple……syabas proton
January 13, 2008 @ 10:27 pm
whens the next update coming ?
January 13, 2008 @ 10:33 pm
SAGA internal shot.
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2161/10012008076yr2.jpg
get the link from other forum site.
January 13, 2008 @ 11:54 pm
Jaya Jusco Equine Park, Pusat Bandar Putra Permai, 43300 Seri Kembangan hehehehe
January 14, 2008 @ 12:14 am
Dear paul,
Elantra mere Rm93,888 just launch last week, whereas Accent quite sometime, maybe over a month or so, 1.4M and 1.6A. Pretty cheap.
January 14, 2008 @ 4:39 am
thecrash said,
Jaya Jusco Equine Park, Pusat Bandar Putra Permai, 43300 Seri Kembangan heheheh
my bad, lost my bearing.
January 14, 2008 @ 6:34 am
jzkzlz said,
January 13, 2008 @ 10:33 pm
SAGA internal shot.
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What the….? this dash really doesn’t make the car. Didn’t expect it to be too minimalist. I would expect something of the myvi or picanto, the least. This? not for that kind of exterior design. It’s really an anti-climax…even the merdeka saga is nicer, so dissapointing……..
January 14, 2008 @ 8:13 am
i already saw 20 units of BLM parking in the Kuching port…….they parked the car facing the other side…….
January 14, 2008 @ 9:44 am
wong said,
January 13, 2008 @ 4:17 am
Thanks Siva….simple looking sedan,not bad…but not for the ’sporty looking’ fan…
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i heard they come in 3 range of models..
1. Medium line – up to rm39,999
2. Base lne
3. N-line – from rm33,999 ?? (not sure what the N stands for)
anyway, the N-line supposedly to cater for car-modification enthuthiast. the bumper is unpainted, and i heard there’s no radio (but speakers r installed) so one can easily modify the BLM to suit their taste. infact i remember a few months back somebody already did a photoshop of the car.. not bad
January 14, 2008 @ 9:55 am
To nobodyatuk,
What did u expect bro? This is Base Line Model aka People’s Car… But, seem like the radio not customade type… So, for a/v system i think depend on our ‘pocket’ how to upgrade it….
January 14, 2008 @ 10:07 am
The interior looks like Rover 45, British influence ah?
January 14, 2008 @ 10:19 am
hmm, refer to the brochure, why no rear door power windows? is it very expensive to hv power windows? my goodness……..
January 14, 2008 @ 10:22 am
tec96248,
Haiyah what do you expect bro? This is Base Line Model, not some sort of Proton Brabus lah…
January 14, 2008 @ 10:23 am
viva and myvi still can sell then…. at least got 4 power windows, abs, ebd, dual srs airbag on the market……..will see it about it whether is a myvi or viva killer? hahahaha.
January 14, 2008 @ 10:25 am
Maybe its an optional? Myvi is more expensive than the BLM lah…Bro…
January 14, 2008 @ 10:45 am
of course myvi is more expensive since it’s a hatchback. savvy also more expensive than blm. but then power window not really expensive right? just got a little disappointment. hv to consider again whether this can be my third car or not……..
January 14, 2008 @ 12:13 pm
depend on quality….myvi compact but now this car is best seller in Malaysia….blm new born so hop proton can give the best sales after service n mutu keunggulan is important for BLM!!!
January 14, 2008 @ 12:14 pm
because myvi is hatchback then it’s expensive…ohh!!!!note note!
January 14, 2008 @ 12:20 pm
Maybe Paul will be busy with BLM media preview today.
January 14, 2008 @ 12:36 pm
tec9…
Kembara Aero dont have rear power window also and the price is closed to 60K
January 14, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
i prefer non-powered window ver. easy to maintain
January 14, 2008 @ 1:10 pm
reality…p2 & naza car too expensive for msia ppl compare p1..so we must support p2 for their job now..great proton..
January 14, 2008 @ 1:41 pm
nbs55 said,
January 14, 2008 @ 1:10 pm
reality…p2 & naza car too expensive for msia ppl compare p1..so we must support p2 for their job now..great proton..
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contradicting urself?
January 14, 2008 @ 1:53 pm
Hello Proton engineer!!
is the steering adjustable? up/down ?
January 14, 2008 @ 2:16 pm
blunt said,
January 14, 2008 @ 12:36 pm
==true……..my job site got about 20 numbers of kembara, very funny same spec but some have,some don’t, i also don’t know why. after all is a AWD.
anyway, this blm at least hv all power windows, since viva 850 onwards hv all power windows.
farghmee said,
January 14, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
i prefer non-powered window ver. easy to maintain
==what to maintain for a power window? unless it spoilt but usually can last for years. hahaha…….proton famous power window, were u indicating?
January 14, 2008 @ 2:35 pm
tec96248 said,
January 14, 2008 @ 10:19 am
hmm, refer to the brochure, why no rear door power windows? is it very expensive to hv power windows? my goodness……..
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wat for need power window at rear? rear passanger paying tol for you? big mpvs eg. naza ria can’t even open rear window
January 14, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
Heres the interesting difference I see from Iswara – based on that brochure
1. Maximum speed 160 and 155 for auto (Iswara is rated at 163 but can go beyond that)
2. 0 – 100 Acceleration is slower (manual)
3. Smaller fuel tank
4. Higher turning radius
5. Heavier, Higher, Wider, but not longer (Sedan)
6. More power than 1.5, but slighty less torque than 1.5
In my opinion, if the price difference between N-Line and M-Line is about RM3000+, then the N-Line is better value for money since the only missing features are:
1. alarm
2. keyless entry
3. front power windows
4. full wheel caps (no alloy for m-Line)
5. painted bumpers
There might be other features in M-line, but if its just this then, I dont see the point in gettig the M-line other than for the colour. It even comes with power steering!!
When they say keyless entry remote…does it mean the normal remote control or the other thing like in Nissan Latio?
January 14, 2008 @ 3:05 pm
wonder what’s the tag line this time
maybe it’s “My first Proton after my first Proton (kereta kebal)”
January 14, 2008 @ 3:08 pm
i saw the quater built car yest at cineleisure..
haha, not bad. looks nice…
the sales man said the 1.3 campro engine has been upgraded with some new air intake system ang things…
i realise lots of people comparing myvi and viva with this car..
i am driving a myvi…. myvi is ok car and this saga for me looks like an ok car too… as we expect to much for car at this price range….
but if u really compare myvi n this car, think this car has lil bit more advantage than myvi… especially the boot space which is really an issue for myvi… but up tp people.. diff person got diff point of view. this saga can be a good a practical car for average earning people….
January 14, 2008 @ 3:17 pm
Haiyah wait until the model is launched then see whether got power window or not. Will be viewing the unit at the launch time.
January 14, 2008 @ 3:25 pm
cheap today proton!!
saga aeroback RM26,999 offer CD PLAYER+POWER STEERING+POWER WINDOW+REVERSE SENSOR+DOOR VISOR+BODY SKIRTING……much more than this u want with dis price!!! heheheheh….
January 14, 2008 @ 3:26 pm
mohdjiman said,
January 14, 2008 @ 12:14 pm
because myvi is hatchback then it’s expensive…ohh!!!!note note!
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I thought Proton BLM has 70mm more of steel at the back so it should be more expensive.
January 14, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
farghmee said,
January 14, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
i prefer non-powered window ver. easy to maintain
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How to maintain power windows? !!
January 14, 2008 @ 4:01 pm
more steel more cheaper maybe…muhahahaha!!i have no issue with power window or any other terms of ‘power’ because this car is Base Line Model…with a affordable price.additional power like power steering,power window, airbag, abs, powerful engine,big boots is like a bonus to me…what else i want? if i want more than this,kumpul duit beli BMW…got all you want. peace!
January 14, 2008 @ 4:01 pm
wong
Yes I agree, how to mantain a power window ah?
January 14, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
All Volkswagen cars got power windows what.
Volkswagen = People’s car
January 14, 2008 @ 4:16 pm
Power windowless (Open but can’t closed)? Or Powerless Window (Closed but can’t open)? Need maintaining? Yes, replacement.
January 14, 2008 @ 5:19 pm
Hello kawan,
No power window for rear seats, so budak2 sitting in the back seat cannot play around with the window. Require for front seat on driver side only… to pay tol. Also, less mechanical part, less weight, less problem.
January 14, 2008 @ 5:27 pm
budak besar tak main window so better jugak ini tak ada power. lagipun kalau polis tahan dia suruh driver yang buka window…mungkin..lainlah kalau ada awek2 cun duduk belakang hehe..
January 14, 2008 @ 5:29 pm
tapinya i suka interior dia..smart and simple.
January 14, 2008 @ 5:32 pm
hohoho~
what i mean by “maintain” was easy to dealt with
*some people believe if u slam the door with the window of power-window half way down, the motor could easily break due to vibration. i think the same too.
*w/o power window, i dun need to think of replacing one if it is broken.
*children won’t play with that button (unless it has window lock like in gen2 Auto HL)
*on sunny day, during balik kampung, may be it is easier to put cloth between the glass(window) with non-power window?
PEACE~:)
January 14, 2008 @ 5:38 pm
mohdjiman said,
January 14, 2008 @ 4:01 pm
what else i want? if i want more than this,kumpul duit beli BMW…got all you want. peace!
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This car if can’t afford will Bring More Worries because the maintenance cost really Banyak Makan Wang…!!….happy driving…
January 14, 2008 @ 5:56 pm
Small yet ample space,
Sedatelay designed with solid tidy figure,and frontal design is no over do yet the gesture is trendy,
wheel arch enhance the car stance though its relatively smaller than its brother,
interior is covetional non playful, reflect its exterior, enough to give a good feeling
January 14, 2008 @ 5:57 pm
Still talking power window, if low quality there is no different whether got power window or not, still have to open window to pay tol.
January 14, 2008 @ 7:45 pm
cheap today proton!!
saga aeroback RM26,999 offer CD PLAYER+POWER STEERING+POWER WINDOW+REVERSE SENSOR+DOOR VISOR+BODY SKIRTING……much more than this u want with dis price!!! heheheheh…
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aiyoyo janganla compare dengan technology 20 tahun…..
January 14, 2008 @ 9:20 pm
hi evry1,
i’m new here..
it’s relieving that i hav had so much of info abt BLM from tis site n frm inside informer…
tis is goin to be my 1st car, happy tht i’ve waited 3 yrs b4 getting one…
now that i’m goin to get tis BLM, my frens who were so impatient to own a car are so jealous of me coz,im goin to get a affordable n more ‘power’ from their Myvi 1.0.
heheheeh…thanks to proton!!! job well done!!
January 14, 2008 @ 11:32 pm
me 2 misspurple, dis also my 1st car (BLM), i like the mountain blue color
January 15, 2008 @ 12:19 am
its no more fun waiting this baby born since leaked pic n brochure is everywhere on the net…just hope 18 jan will come faster….can’t wait to touch n see it…g luck blm
January 15, 2008 @ 12:50 am
lucky for u tembadau!!
i’m stil confuse to choose….
hehe so much colour…evrything looks nice…
but no purple colour!!!
heheh
but still i want to wait until its launced…mybe then i can choose which colour will suit my baju kurung to school evry day!!
cant wait to feel it…
January 15, 2008 @ 1:07 am
i’ve also interested to buy this car..solid white look nice but better wait first to see wheter the high line will be produce or not..
January 15, 2008 @ 3:11 am
misspurple said,
January 14, 2008 @ 9:20 pm
hi evry1,
i’m new here..
it’s relieving that i hav had so much of info abt BLM from tis site n frm inside informer…
tis is goin to be my 1st car, happy tht i’ve waited 3 yrs b4 getting one…
now that i’m goin to get tis BLM, my frens who were so impatient to own a car are so jealous of me coz,im goin to get a affordable n more ‘power’ from their Myvi 1.0.
heheheeh…thanks to proton!!! job well done!!
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Hi miss purple,congrat for the first car…by the way my name is Benjo and ur asl plz.hihihihi
January 15, 2008 @ 3:17 am
the rear windows argument is funny, in Europe most entry level cars don’t have electric rear windows.
Just check the VW (people car) web site:
electric rear windows are is not even an option on the Polo E (£7,690, about RM50K)
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new_cars/polo/options
the car is very basic, no air-con, no esp, only two airbags… by the way the optional air-con cost (£880.00, RM5600). but who needs an air-con when you have electric front windows?
January 15, 2008 @ 8:20 am
Quick produce Saga R3 complete with interior makeover and some sylish bodyskirt. I might buy this one over Waja ‘taxi’…
January 15, 2008 @ 8:32 am
I was thinking about the high line too, with dual airbags, abs, fully powered window..etc. But the price will be about the same as Myvi.
January 15, 2008 @ 8:56 am
Fuel consumption is 6 liter per 100KM and 6.3 liter per 100KM for manual and auto respectively with constant speed of 90KM/h.
This is according on the news today.
January 15, 2008 @ 9:35 am
So, around 12 sen per Km for Campro 1.3L. Not bad the low FC level since the Campro 1.6L is known as “fuel drinker”.
January 15, 2008 @ 9:39 am
Just curios, the car have doors, but the glass portion on top they call it window!
For building, they term it as “door c/w with glazing partition”.
Any one has answer to this?
January 15, 2008 @ 11:46 am
BigFish said,
January 15, 2008 @ 9:39 am
Just curios, the car have doors, but the glass portion on top they call it window!
For building, they term it as “door c/w with glazing partitionâ€.
Any one has answer to this?
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common la.. think twice! that term is used by architect and for building purpose only. not for vehicle. the name is so long to describe for door window. it also longer if u translate to other language too. car manufacturer dont want to trouble their car buyer to show that part with that term. do all car manufacturers use that term for their door? name me the car brand which use this term if u can.
anyway, i cant wait to test drive the car especially the feeling of IAFM!! aarrgghh!!
January 15, 2008 @ 12:33 pm
my sister said..
proton already preview the complete BLM at proton Jalan Ampang…
correct me if i’m wrong
January 15, 2008 @ 12:52 pm
king said,
January 14, 2008 @ 2:35 pm
wat for need power window at rear? rear passanger paying tol for you? big mpvs eg. naza ria can’t even open rear window
==naza ria rear having sliding door, dude. r u saying car having power window just for the sake of paying tol??? my goodness……….
January 15, 2008 @ 12:54 pm
nicolas said,
January 15, 2008 @ 3:17 am
==wrong comparison. different living standards, different climate.
January 15, 2008 @ 1:09 pm
aircond penting time ujan.
kalu x switch on aircon time ujan while driving, cermin depan jd gelap.
apabila cermin gelap, susah le nk drive..
January 15, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
farghmee said,
January 15, 2008 @ 1:09 pm
aircond penting time ujan.
kalu x switch on aircon time ujan while driving, cermin depan jd gelap.
apabila cermin gelap, susah le nk drive…
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i agree….though air cond is for comfortness during the hot n sunny day but it is also for safety purpose during the rainy days since the heavy rain can make the road less visible…
car’s have met accidents due to this factors…
so better bear in mind!!
don’t mind spending a little juz for safety sake!!!
January 15, 2008 @ 3:10 pm
Cermin gelap = Free tinting mah…
January 15, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
to adunadun,
the steering wheel is adjustable for height.
January 15, 2008 @ 7:04 pm
proton designers are bunch of idiots.can the rakyat.because of this proton many ppl suffer and even toyota price has been hicked up to protect proton.The former PM was very smart,and took the rakyat for good ride.useless material used yet the proton is still expensive.The worst car design should go to GEN 2 and Persona AKA GEN 2 Extension.
January 15, 2008 @ 7:05 pm
Get out anj97 – we don’t need any of your racist crap in here. We’re car lovers – full stop.
January 15, 2008 @ 7:13 pm
I agree with StingRayINC.Its ugly F car.Proton never designed any of their models with great passion for automobile.The GEN 2 design is the worst.What the forking design is that?Nissan had similar or rather better model on their Datsun 120y coupe.Very rare in malaysia.that was back in 1977.Gen 2 designed in 2004.This bloody proton should close shop.They survive because of the fool bumis support them.99% ppl who buy proton is bumis.
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Another schoolboy racist blind basher.Go out before paul delete ur comment.
This is a famous car blog, Dont create unhealthy situation here!!!!
January 15, 2008 @ 7:36 pm
hahaha.. i love reading comments eps when associates with Proton..
from the design of the car… up to involvement of Bumiputra..so.. what next..
yes … thank for calling me FOOL…so what.. do i use UR money to buy my car..
my money.. my choice
January 15, 2008 @ 7:57 pm
hahaha.. i love reading comments eps when associates with Proton..
from the design of the car… up to involvement of Bumiputra..so.. what next..
yes … thank for calling me FOOL…so what.. do i use UR money to buy my car..
my money.. my choice
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we dont care bout ur money or ur car choice, racist retard go away, this is a car blog.
January 15, 2008 @ 8:04 pm
To anj97. PLEASE STOP USING THE “F” WORD. YOU HAVE NO RESPECT TO MR. PAUL TAN’s BLOG AND TO OTHERS TOO!!!!!!!
January 15, 2008 @ 8:28 pm
To anj97. Since you talked like that, means you are very good in designing cars. Lets design one for us.
If Proton Gen2 is the worst in design, why in Thailand there are people who bought the car? Proton gave them money to buy or forced them to buy? THE ANSWER IS: THAILAND PEOPLE SAW AND TRIED THE CAR, THAT’S WHY THEY BOOKED / BOUGHT THE CAR. However, we have to see in long term performance of Proton in Thailand market not forgetting China too.
Some other people were complaining why Thailand got the Gen.2 facelift model than Malaysian. Seen Proton is entering Thailand which is new market for them, and it was so coincident that the Bangkok Motor Show also at that time and Proton is ready with the Gen.2 facelifted model with Campro CPS. That’s why it was a good marketing strategy. Why show them old products when Proton got improved version especially motor show. Other marques such as Mercedes Benz, BMW, Honda and Toyota also doing the same thing. Try to dick out where got every time the car manufacturers give their own people new products first.
January 15, 2008 @ 8:59 pm
hahaha.. i love reading comments eps when associates with Proton..
from the design of the car… up to involvement of Bumiputra..so.. what next..
yes … thank for calling me FOOL…so what.. do i use UR money to buy my car..
my money.. my choice
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we dont care bout ur money or ur car choice, racist retard go away, this is a car blog.
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Benjo,
Just ignore him, let him bark, bile dia letih menyalak, dia akan stop
January 15, 2008 @ 9:03 pm
Paragraph 3. Typing mistake. Seen Proton is entering…. SHOULD BE READ AS
Since Proton is entering…..
Sorry for that.
January 15, 2008 @ 9:32 pm
fastd said,
January 14, 2008 @ 9:55 am
To nobodyatuk,
What did u expect bro? This is Base Line Model aka People’s Car…
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Haven’t they heard of ‘Industrial design’? It just take a little bit of creativity to create a nice dash and interior to suit the exterior. I know, maybe one of their strategy, leave it be until the next face/interior lift.
Anymore of the latest images, Paul?, never will have the chance to see the actual car until it reach here, if it ever gets here, what a pity.
January 15, 2008 @ 9:49 pm
The Gen-2 is a better looking car compared to Vios and City. And please stop using the F word.
January 15, 2008 @ 10:05 pm
anj97 said,
January 15, 2008 @ 7:04 pm
proton designers are bunch of idiots.can the rakyat.because of this proton many ppl suffer and even toyota price has been hicked up to protect proton.The former PM was very smart,and took the rakyat for good ride.useless material used yet the proton is still expensive.The worst car design should go to GEN 2 and Persona AKA GEN 2 Extension
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sape kata gen2 design tak cantik, rasanya lbh cantik dr latio, spectra 5 n jap car..sambung butt lbh baik dr tukar jenama mcm p2 n naza tu…
January 15, 2008 @ 10:23 pm
agree..gen-2 is better than looking car than vios,latio and city..especially city..even proton doing a good job with persona as it is gen2 sedan unlike city..
January 15, 2008 @ 10:56 pm
bash said,
January 15, 2008 @ 10:23 pm
agree..gen-2 is better than looking car than vios,latio and city..especially city..even proton doing a good job with persona as it is gen2 sedan unlike city..
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in my point of view, Gen 2 look attractive and stylish design…so, i agree with mr.bash
for anj97….could you please design a model by using any software available in internet and post your drawing here? maybe some expert in CAD or aeronautic in this blog can give their comment or mark for you:)
ok?
…
January 15, 2008 @ 11:15 pm
Huh gen-2 n persona design is not good looking…you must be blind…ooo i forget ur the blind basher and more worst a racist retard so u must be blind…gen2 is not selling well because to many faulty parts and have many quality issues plus some bad ergonomic factor, but to say it was a bad looking, i think you r blind.Persona is selling well rite now hope its continues..Latio and new vios is so ugly compare to this BLM… even not seeing the real product yet but from all the leaked pic i would sat it was truly a beauty for a BASE LINE MODEL..please this blog is about automotive industry not a racist or political blog…so please go away…respect this blog owners and all the bloggers ok
January 15, 2008 @ 11:16 pm
MisterBenjo said,
January 15, 2008 @ 3:11 am
misspurple said,
January 14, 2008 @ 9:20 pm
hi evry1,
i’m new here..
it’s relieving that i hav had so much of info abt BLM from tis site n frm inside informer…
tis is goin to be my 1st car, happy tht i’ve waited 3 yrs b4 getting one…
now that i’m goin to get tis BLM, my frens who were so impatient to own a car are so jealous of me coz,im goin to get a affordable n more ‘power’ from their Myvi 1.0.
heheheeh…thanks to proton!!! job well done!!
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Hi miss purple,congrat for the first car…by the way my name is Benjo and ur asl plz.hihihihi
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hi mr.Benjo..
YM me at mar_yannie82@yahoo.com
January 15, 2008 @ 11:23 pm
mr benjo… u r working at vads rite? hahaha i worked there once and cabut lari od
this BLM, forsure i’ll book next month! cant wait for my 3rd month payslip… adoiii
January 15, 2008 @ 11:28 pm
benjo got a gf..
cant wait to explore blm’s full potential.. klu ada kelemahan pun kita kne accept positively, basher or defender, proton ada diri kita semua. good luck to us all.
proton.. roll out
January 15, 2008 @ 11:43 pm
zzua said,
January 15, 2008 @ 11:28 pm
benjo got a gf..
cant wait to explore blm’s full potential.. klu ada kelemahan pun kita kne accept positively, basher or defender, proton ada diri kita semua. good luck to us all.
proton.. roll out
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haha..took the opportunity man..
January 15, 2008 @ 11:46 pm
enginerd_2008 said,
January 15, 2008 @ 10:56 pm
bash said,
January 15, 2008 @ 10:23 pm
agree..gen-2 is better than looking car than vios,latio and city..especially city..even proton doing a good job with persona as it is gen2 sedan unlike city..
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in my point of view, Gen 2 look attractive and stylish design…so, i agree with mr.bash
for anj97….could you please design a model by using any software available in internet and post your drawing here? maybe some expert in CAD or aeronautic in this blog can give their comment or mark for you:)
ok?
…
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right now, i never heard any complaint about persona quality but still, its too early to talk about that..hopefully there is no quality issue rise from persona.. i just want to wait for gen-2 facelift…
January 16, 2008 @ 12:18 am
gen2 and mazda3, i think gen2 was launched first.. correct me if i’m wrong.(maybe mazda3 was launched way earlier in Japan) but the designs are very similar..Nevertheless, there is nothing Absolutely NOthing wrong with gen2 design.
January 16, 2008 @ 12:45 am
ash3r said,
January 15, 2008 @ 11:23 pm
mr benjo… u r working at vads rite? hahaha i worked there once and cabut lari od
this BLM, forsure i’ll book next month! cant wait for my 3rd month payslip… adoiii
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hehehe yeah i used to wrk at vads..but i also sudah cabut lah…..
hey guys do give us a review if u got ur the BLM
January 16, 2008 @ 1:08 am
Only jokingly ask for asl then i got a girl email address already…what a great blog…Paul should do a gathering.
January 16, 2008 @ 3:07 am
tec96248 said,
January 15, 2008 @ 12:52 pm
==naza ria rear having sliding door, dude. r u saying car having power window just for the sake of paying tol??? my goodness……….
tec96248 said,
January 14, 2008 @ 10:19 am
hmm, refer to the brochure, why no rear door power windows? is it very expensive to hv power windows?
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i am not talking about powered door but power window. that was what you were saying earlier. anyway the point is nobody buys a car on the basis of whether a car has rear door power window or not. maybe you do, but this is a BASE LINE MODEL and there are so many other much more important things to look at like the engine, transmission, interior, design, space, price etc. rather than just rear power window.
January 16, 2008 @ 3:09 am
if you mention no power steering then it is a different matter altogether
January 16, 2008 @ 3:18 am
bash said,
January 15, 2008 @ 10:23 pm
agree..gen-2 is better than looking car than vios,latio and city..especially city..even proton doing a good job with persona as it is gen2 sedan unlike city..
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agree with you. some ppl are cock-eyed. so dun blame them.
January 16, 2008 @ 3:21 am
if gen2 got city’s engine,transmission, interior & a toyota badge, it will be top seller in malaysia
January 16, 2008 @ 3:43 am
king said,
January 16, 2008 @ 3:21 am
if gen2 got city’s engine,transmission, interior & a toyota badge, it will be top seller in malaysia
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yup..agree with you..even with proton badge and good price plus good quality..will be top seller not even in malaysia but can give a decent sell volume in china too…
January 16, 2008 @ 8:24 am
now bookings is over 4500….
January 16, 2008 @ 8:25 am
basher still basher… ini sudah murah la… my wira 1.3 aeroback also dont have rear power window.. lagi mahal harga dari BLM.. tapi semua ok jer. Now ada Neo 1.6 terus takde rear door.. lagi ok…
So sape taknak beli, diam-diam sudah la..
January 16, 2008 @ 8:41 am
thecrash said,
January 16, 2008 @ 8:25 am
basher still basher… ini sudah murah la… my wira 1.3 aeroback also dont have rear power window.. lagi mahal harga dari BLM.. tapi semua ok jer. Now ada Neo 1.6 terus takde rear door.. lagi ok…
So sape taknak beli, diam-diam sudah la..
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-ya… bila proton buat bumbung rendah(gen.2) diorang komplen…
buat bumbung tinggi(saga BLM) diorang komplen… %@#@&*..
January 16, 2008 @ 8:49 am
thecrash said,
January 16, 2008 @ 8:25 am
basher still basher… ini sudah murah la… my wira 1.3 aeroback also dont have rear power window.. lagi mahal harga dari BLM.. tapi semua ok jer. Now ada Neo 1.6 terus takde rear door.. lagi ok…
So sape taknak beli, diam-diam sudah la..
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I agree wit u bro.other yg blah blah pot pet pot pet complaint pesal proton better buka blog lain.
January 16, 2008 @ 9:03 am
thecrash said,
January 16, 2008 @ 8:25 am
basher still basher… ini sudah murah la… my wira 1.3 aeroback also dont have rear power window.. lagi mahal harga dari BLM.. tapi semua ok jer. Now ada Neo 1.6 terus takde rear door.. lagi ok…
So sape taknak beli, diam-diam sudah la..
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-ya… bila proton buat bumbung rendah(gen.2) diorang komplen…
buat bumbung tinggi(saga BLM) diorang komplen… %@#@&*..
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Maybe they want yang proton without bumbung kot
January 16, 2008 @ 9:09 am
hmm…..it seems a lot don’t know how to differentiate a complaint and a question. and don’t even know how to upgrade and move forward. my goodness, so many slow learners. bashing others as basher by comparing those last millenium history..and all the rubbish talk non related to the car. it seems a lot don’t know how to enjoy with a car… sigh………..
January 16, 2008 @ 9:15 am
misspurple said,
January 15, 2008 @ 12:50 am
lucky for u tembadau!!
i’m stil confuse to choose….
hehe so much colour…evrything looks nice…
but no purple colour!!!
heheh
but still i want to wait until its launced…mybe then i can choose which colour will suit my baju kurung to school evry day!!
cant wait to feel it…
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wah cikgu misspurple, 4 u i think better choose green or solid white
January 16, 2008 @ 9:16 am
king said,
January 16, 2008 @ 3:07 am
–i know, naza ria don’t hv power window because of sliding door. i know is a base line model, so is not cheap model. baseline model doesn’t mean everything have to be cheap, since m-line will hv driver’s airbag. hmm……..
January 16, 2008 @ 9:29 am
So when is Perdana Replacement Model coming?? We the not-so-young customer are looking forward to this….
January 16, 2008 @ 9:32 am
king said,
agree..gen-2 is better than looking car than vios,latio and city..especially city..even proton doing a good job with persona as it is gen2 sedan unlike city..
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agree with you. some ppl are cock-eyed. so dun blame them.
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yar, taste is subjective lar. Some ppl like some ppl dont like. That’s their personal taste. What’s important is that there is enough genuine market interest to make the product saleable. Think Renault Kangoo – the benjo car. Talk about being cock eyed! That ugly (IMO) mini MPV actually has buyers! a niche market… but still has buyers.
January 16, 2008 @ 9:41 am
Bravo PROTON!
Latest infor, as of Jan14, 2008 the booking is 4650unit!
My personal view of P1. Eventhough P1 quality not better then Toyota or Honda but we’re about the same par with them since currently Toyota/Honda parts are being manufactured by the same vendors of P1.
I would prefer P1 rather then Korean cars since i had very bad experience with my previous car which was KIA spectra H-Line. Too much technical problems then i could imagine. Power window failure at 10K km, transmission jammed at 45K km, root spot weld peelled off causing severe metal friction sound, absorber leakage and door easily dent. Even the P1 Iswara door are stronger. I could accept that every car got it own defects/flaws but not as much as i’ve got with my KIA. The biggest problem is the trade in value… value dropped ~RM30K just after 2yrs!!!!
Now i’m driving Waja . It has been 2 1/2yr and no sign of window failure. Please note that, i dont open my door to pay the tol or to use my proximity card at my condo! I could buy Vios or Honda City at that time but Waja just the right price and worth buying.
I’m looking forward to book BLM for my mom. I’ve tested drive the BLM and my view… very practical and same par in term of quality with d great Persona. Best choice for family.
January 16, 2008 @ 9:51 am
Fancy design requires fancy engineering (tooling, materials, time, equipment, process) and that equal to cost = money. To engineered a basic car that sells at basic price with high cost , it doesn’t sounds right isn’t it? Even if your CATIA (CAD software develop by IBM & Aircraft maker widely use in Aircraft & Automotive design – industry standard) is V5 it still doesn’t make sense as parts still need to undergo the same process and tooling. Why reinvent the wheel? Use easier parts, more common, less electronic/minimal control and low cost is your answer (also equal to low maintenance). Comprendre?
January 16, 2008 @ 11:08 am
i’ve also booked this BLM for my first car! yayy!! yeah, i know nothing bout cars. but i know it’s quite cheap and it’s big. i want the big boots
i just hope the salesman won’t cheat me. he promised me that i’ll get this car early, means i dont have to join the long waiting list. else, dating him is just a waste let’s form a BLMclub ! hehe
January 16, 2008 @ 11:44 am
this saga(really cant wait to try it3 new 1.3 campro+IAFM) hopefully will tapau those myvi(viva definitely) with its addiotional spacious boot-shame on any P2 cars(why they never invented a car with a boot)?
January 16, 2008 @ 12:00 pm
anj97 said,
January 15, 2008 @ 6:59 pm
I agree with StingRayINC.Its ugly F car.Proton never designed any of their models with great passion for automobile.The GEN 2 design is the worst.What the forking design is that?
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Design is subjecitve, eventhough I can’t conclusively prove or disprove your your statement, but you are entitle to your opinion. Definitely this is “handicap match” for me if I use dirty word.
Anyway, are you giving personal opinion or salesman for other makes come in as “agent provocateur” by fire a salvo to start a fire?
Anyway, there are no less blind defender with “cocky parrot” mouth who are unable to distingusih between “the football player vs. spectator” aka, manufacturer vs. consumers. Examples: -
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1. To anj97. Since you talked like that, means you are very good in designing cars. Lets design one for us.
2. for anj97….could you please design a model by using any software available in internet and post your drawing here? maybe some expert in CAD or aeronautic in this blog can give their comment or mark for you:)
ok?
…
3. i’m using Gen2 for almost 3 years.. and suddenly somebody call me idiot…if She (Mrs Anjali @anj97) so Genius.. then open up HER own company and manufacture HER own car..
etc, etc, etc, …….
January 16, 2008 @ 12:08 pm
Anyway, it is just another 2 days to waite for the 18th Jan launch. For the Malaysian consumers, it is a “big deal”, then see how bashers and defenders “fire” it up!
For me, 18th Jan 08 mark the end of irritating stone age model but new Milo tin on the wheel (i.e. condemn the car but with due respect to consumers who purchase it due to limited budget) being market in Malaysia. Good luck that finally we can see one of the junk moving metal discontinue in our market. Hope this BLM come with at least minimum safety feature by today standard.
Life is precious!
January 16, 2008 @ 12:56 pm
hsbc said,
January 16, 2008 @ 11:44 am
this saga(really cant wait to try it3 new 1.3 campro+IAFM) hopefully will tapau those myvi(viva definitely) with its addiotional spacious boot-shame on any P2 cars(why they never invented a car with a boot)?
–without a boot also can sell like hotcakes in the market, what for need a boot? if can’t sell with a boot that’s really a shame. afterall, if the quality no good, that will definitely will tapau whatever car it is. boy, u know or not? hahahaha.
January 16, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
tec96248 said,
January 16, 2008 @ 12:56 pm
–without a boot also can sell like hotcakes in the market, what for need a boot? if can’t sell with a boot that’s really a shame. afterall, if the quality no good, that will definitely will tapau whatever car it is. boy, u know or not? hahahaha.
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-but if they copy from other company and said they are make that products is more shame..
January 16, 2008 @ 1:22 pm
chap_de_x said,
January 15, 2008 @ 11:15 pm
Huh gen-2 n persona design is not good looking…you must be blind…ooo i forget ur the blind basher and more worst a racist retard so u must be blind…gen2 is not selling well because to many faulty parts and have many quality issues plus some bad ergonomic factor, but to say it was a bad looking, i think you r blind.Persona is selling well rite now hope its continues..Latio and new vios is so ugly compare to this BLM… even not seeing the real product yet but from all the leaked pic i would sat it was truly a beauty for a BASE LINE MODEL..please this blog is about automotive industry not a racist or political blog…so please go away…respect this blog owners and all the bloggers ok
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Yes, I agree your opinion. But then Gen-2 is the second in-house designed car from Proton so must have some quality problems lah because not everyone is perfect mah, especially for those amateur designers…
January 16, 2008 @ 1:23 pm
ezralimm said,
January 16, 2008 @ 9:32 am
king said,
agree..gen-2 is better than looking car than vios,latio and city..especially city..even proton doing a good job with persona as it is gen2 sedan unlike city..
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agree with you. some ppl are cock-eyed. so dun blame them.
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yar, taste is subjective lar. Some ppl like some ppl dont like. That’s their personal taste. What’s important is that there is enough genuine market interest to make the product saleable. Think Renault Kangoo – the benjo car. Talk about being cock eyed! That ugly (IMO) mini MPV actually has buyers! a niche market… but still has buyers.
–looks is very subjective, agreed that gen2 looks better than vios, city and latio. but then gen2 is a bigger car compared to those. afterall, most of the time a driver will be inside the car, so interior looks are very important too my point of view. does gen2 or persona interior looks better than vios, city or latio? hmm………
January 16, 2008 @ 1:27 pm
I think Proton’s design team is the Pininfarina/Bertone of the far east. Just imagine, they managed to combine the traditional Malay design cues with some Europeaness in it, wasn’t that wonderful?
This is just my frank opinion.
January 16, 2008 @ 1:34 pm
pengawas said,
January 16, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
-but if they copy from other company and said they are make that products is more shame..
==agreed, copying without approval is a shame but not a rebagded cars. somehow is worst than shame if can’t outside a rebagded cars.
January 16, 2008 @ 1:44 pm
MyviKiller said,
January 16, 2008 @ 1:27 pm
I think Proton’s design team is the Pininfarina/Bertone of the far east. Just imagine, they managed to combine the traditional Malay design cues with some Europeaness in it, wasn’t that wonderful?
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Last time when P1 design Savvy and Satria Neo, they are “Peninkepala” design team that don’t know what the market want.
What Malay design cues, the “wau bulan” front grill for Gen-2? And you mean Gen-2 rebadge to Europstar with “pranching lion” logo that look Europeaness?
January 16, 2008 @ 1:50 pm
pengawas said,
January 16, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
-but if they copy from other company and said they are make that products is more shame..
————
P2 and Naza are rebadging other makes with improvement. It is not copy. P1 previously and current products line up also either rebadge, or copy (the Perdana’s front grill that copy from Alfa Romeo). The upcoming BLM (Saga) also copy with front grill very “Audi-ish”!
Is it a shame by both rebadging and copying? I think not if they do it with improvement and good quality.
Only those who rebadge and/or copy but deny it or come with crap low quality is a real shame.
January 16, 2008 @ 1:52 pm
tec96248 said,
January 16, 2008 @ 12:56 pm
without a boot also can sell like hotcakes in the market, what for need a boot? if can’t sell with a boot that’s really a shame. afterall, if the quality no good, that will definitely will tapau whatever car it is. boy, u know or not? hahahaha.
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Well said, the selling point is good quality with design that meet market demand.
January 16, 2008 @ 2:10 pm
BigFish said,
January 16, 2008 @ 12:08 pm
Anyway, it is just another 2 days to waite for the 18th Jan launch. For the Malaysian consumers, it is a “big dealâ€, then see how bashers and defenders “fire†it up!
For me, 18th Jan 08 mark the end of irritating stone age model but new Milo tin on the wheel (i.e. condemn the car but with due respect to consumers who purchase it due to limited budget) being market in Malaysia. Good luck that finally we can see one of the junk moving metal discontinue in our market. Hope this BLM come with at least minimum safety feature by today standard.
Life is precious!
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Agree with u on the tin milo. Maybe somebody need to doublecheck on both the P1 and P2 product. to make it simple. drive MYVI and BLM. ram into each other laa. so both bash + defend puas hati. lets see who’s kiok already.
I’m suggesting BIGFISH drive MYVI and MYVIKLLER drive BLM.
.
at least on of them/both already quite from this forum
waiiitt…BIGFISH wanna drive oversea cars only i think. u can think of any car with same segment so that u satisfied.
January 16, 2008 @ 3:26 pm
Agree with u on the tin milo. Maybe somebody need to doublecheck on both the P1 and P2 product. to make it simple. drive MYVI and BLM. ram into each other laa. so both bash + defend puas hati. lets see who’s kiok already.
I’m suggesting BIGFISH drive MYVI and MYVIKLLER drive BLM.
.
at least on of them/both already quite from this forum
waiiitt…BIGFISH wanna drive oversea cars only i think. u can think of any car with same segment so that u satisfied.
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Ooay, I’m always wanted to drive cars from Proton lahh bro…
January 16, 2008 @ 3:27 pm
But that doesn’t mean that I’m biased ok?
January 16, 2008 @ 3:28 pm
I’m suggesting BIGFISH drive MYVI and MYVIKLLER drive BLM.
.
at least on of them/both already quite from this forum
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Ooay I’m always wanted to drive cars from Proton lah Bro…
January 16, 2008 @ 3:33 pm
Last time when P1 design Savvy and Satria Neo, they are “Peninkepala†design team that don’t know what the market want.
What Malay design cues, the “wau bulan†front grill for Gen-2? And you mean Gen-2 rebadge to Europstar with “pranching lion†logo that look Europeaness?
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That’s why most Italian cars have pening-ed our kepala in terms of quality. Anyway, what I meant was the overall car design, not just the “pranching” or “prancing” (whatever it is) lion.
January 16, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
I’m suggesting BIGFISH drive MYVI and MYVIKLLER drive BLM.
.
at least on of them/both already quite from this forum
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Ooay Bro, I like Proton cars ok?
January 16, 2008 @ 3:38 pm
tec96248 said,
January 16, 2008 @ 12:56 pm
without a boot also can sell like hotcakes in the market, what for need a boot? if can’t sell with a boot that’s really a shame. afterall, if the quality no good, that will definitely will tapau whatever car it is. boy, u know or not? hahahaha.
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Well said, the selling point is good quality with design that meet market demand.
..Lets be frank..most of the people bought P2 car thinking that they actually bought a Toyota or Daihatsu..no doubt about that. If and only if, they secretly put the P2 badge on BLM..i’m sure BLM will received a damn good response..BUT if they put with NAZ.. badge, again we can hear soo many nasty critic . see, how strong the power of the badge is..!!!
January 16, 2008 @ 3:39 pm
I’m suggesting BIGFISH drive MYVI and MYVIKLLER drive BLM.
.
at least on of them/both already quite from this forum
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Ooay Bro, I like Proton cars ok???
January 16, 2008 @ 3:48 pm
Why P1 never participate any big motorshow?? I think P1 should do that to be more competitive, more xposure with latest design technology, more innovative concept, establish brand and increase confident level to fight with
competitor…being more aggrsive.
January 16, 2008 @ 4:05 pm
blunt said,
January 16, 2008 @ 3:38 pm
..Lets be frank..most of the people bought P2 car thinking that they actually bought a Toyota or Daihatsu..no doubt about that. If and only if, they secretly put the P2 badge on BLM..i’m sure BLM will received a damn good response..BUT if they put with NAZ.. badge, again we can hear soo many nasty critic . see, how strong the power of the badge is..!!!
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thats right…don’t pretend. the main selling point was that p2 is “toyota”. last time kenari got no airbag or abs also sold like hotcake at a ridiculously high price.
January 16, 2008 @ 5:24 pm
Walau, anj97 rly caused a stir. I’ll tell u sumthin: I’ve used a CAD program before, n I can tell that if u want to design a carburetor, it’ll take a minimum of 3 days if u rly, rly focus n study a lot on how to use the software. That’s oni the carburetor. Today all use fuel inject, I dun wan to imagine how much more complicated it is…..
What most ppl see is other cars got this and that, while Proton dun have them. What ppl HARDLY see is the work to make the features last (prototype n testing), n imagine doin it urself.
That said, I hv to say, unker Chips Yap is absolutely correct abt Msians: we are a bunch of spoilt brats. Indians (in India) are joyful gettin their Tata Nano, bt Msians? Oredi given a/c, front pw, got 1 airbag, got pretensioner seat belts, got 7 colours to choose etcetc still wanna bash it mercilessly. That must’ve been due to personal reasons, eh? And stop giving excuses of how “Bcuz I’m an ex-Proton owner, I’ve been changing pw 234580275 times in 2 months, this lah, that lah,” n always the rhetoric “In US/Japan/wherever, Toyota XX is $??? oni,”
The grass may be greener on the other side, but “hujan batu di negeri sendiri” is always lebih baik. Migrating just so u can get a cheap Toyota or BMW is more childish than sucking your thumb. U dun like how the real world throws its dice at u, change ur position. Even billionaire Donald Trump once made a very famous quote: “LIFE’S NEVER FAIR”. U gotta deal wit it, or u can choose to stay poor n stupid all ur life.
Benjo, u soo lucky!! Btw, wat does “vads” stand for? Yea, mayb Paul shud make a gatherin, heheh. I oso wan to b able to b more in touch wit some ppl here, esp The Unicons, u readin this? Perhaps I shud start rollin the dice, so Unicons, u can mail me at tokmoh(underscore)2000az(at)yahoo(dot)co(dot)uk
Cheers n happy motoring
January 16, 2008 @ 5:33 pm
2008 exciting year,
engine updates,
saga 2008
gen 2 facelift
waja 1.6 cps
mpv (under development)
personally this is year proton excites me,
January 16, 2008 @ 5:43 pm
car_key99 said,
January 16, 2008 @ 3:48 pm
Why P1 never participate any big motorshow?? I think P1 should do that to be more competitive, more xposure with latest design technology, more innovative concept, establish brand and increase confident level to fight with
competitor…being more aggrsive.
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>>>To be in a big motorshow, I suppose as u said, they’ll need to present such technologies etcetc, which is wat they either lack or bcuz they’re just not in such a position wit all these local issues like their financial status, brand perception (wat comes to mind when one mentions Proton? Yeap, dat’s rite. Their pw sux), unable to sell their old models.
That said, I’ve always commended Syed Zainal n his team for fixing all the messes the old management left them. Things hv changed, n since Rome isn’t built in one nite, unless one observes n keep up-to-date wit Proton, they’ll still think Proton is a bunch of bumiputra crook.
Even then, Lotus hv been doin some work for Proton’s future benefit like the Gen2 EVE hybrid, the Lotus APX MPV concept which is rumoured to be what Proton’s 2009 MPV be based on.
Another issue wit attending big motorshow is ppl’s perception. Look at Bangkok motorshow, they unveil the Gen2 FL wit Campro CPS, do our ppl say “Wow, gud job!! The CPS+VIM is finally rdy for end-users (customers like u n me)!!” or they’d go “Celaka Proton, kera kat hutan Thailand tu lagi berharga drp ank sendri kat Msia ni la!! Tu a, Proton tu xleh harap blablabla…….”? I guess wen it comes to opening up our ppl’s mind, I’m clueless lor……
January 16, 2008 @ 5:44 pm
furthermore juz imagine if we didnt have P1 20 yrs ago.
most malaysians wont be able to but cars at all…
at least p1 had helped us by keeping the roads bz. n had done so much for the country including boosting our economy n providing job opportunities.
SORRY my dear sister: l beg to differ. Proton existence though bring some good/advantages BUT also not without pitfalls. Seemingly the latter more than the former.
Thai’s government opted for different route-NOW their auto industry is the kingdom DARLING; our auto industry now somewhat ailing. Hope we can restore our position again.
If we not no Proton/Perodua or even Naza, we not we’ll getting cheaper Japanese brands, at least on par with the Thais.
Since, Proton is here, what we can do is support it if they deserved.
AGREE, Koreans’ car (KIA SPectra) one of the lousiest product, incomparable with Proton perhaps due to the fact-assemble by NAZA. My friend ownership experience with Spectra less than 6 months 10 time send to service centers to rectify the problems. Unsought until they discovered: faulty electrical wiring, after few months after that. Let alone th FC of Koreans’ generally much higher than Japanese counterparts.
I hope Proton Saga tally will increase further. BUT never compromise with QUALITY like my cousin and friend’s Honda Civic 2.0. For very first month got power window problem.
January 16, 2008 @ 5:44 pm
P2 and Naza are rebadging other makes with improvement. It is not copy. P1 previously and current products line up also either rebadge, or copy (the Perdana’s front grill that copy from Alfa Romeo). The upcoming BLM (Saga) also copy with front grill very “Audi-ishâ€!
Is it a shame by both rebadging and copying? I think not if they do it with improvement and good quality.
Only those who rebadge and/or copy but deny it or come with crap low quality is a real shame.
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-wrong.. those who is rebadging, copying and modifying by change the front and rear looks, selling at higher price and declared as a national car is really shame….
January 16, 2008 @ 5:49 pm
If we not no Proton/Perodua or even Naza, we not we’ll getting cheaper Japanese brands, at least on par with the Thais.
SHOULD READ AS:
If we have no Proton/Perodua or even Naza, we’ll getting cheaper Japanese brands, at least on par with the Thais. Imagine we got MEC instead of cheap japanese brand like Panasonic, SONY, SHARP etc, are you willing to boycot these Japanese brands for MEC (malaysian own brand)?
SO do the auto industry.
January 16, 2008 @ 5:53 pm
Another thing, when I say “change ur position”, I mean the position of “life”, not the “geographical physical” position. Hopefully that should knock into some ppl’s head real strong…..
January 16, 2008 @ 7:15 pm
overall body width for SAGA 2008 is exactly simmilar the WIRA ,which id say ‘reasonable’
January 16, 2008 @ 7:18 pm
overall body width for SAGA 2008 is exactly simmilar of the WIRA’s ,which id say ‘reasonable’
January 16, 2008 @ 7:21 pm
pengawas said,
January 16, 2008 @ 5:44 pm
-wrong.. those who is rebadging, copying and modifying by change the front and rear looks, selling at higher price and declared as a national car is really shame….
==dude, proton also go through that period before when it first started. if u r seeing such a way, u r saying all the national cars are shameful. pity……….
January 16, 2008 @ 7:48 pm
pengawas said,
-wrong.. those who is rebadging, copying and modifying by change the front and rear looks, selling at higher price and declared as a national car is really shame….
__________
can’t agree more.
just to add on….also rebadging n pretending to be something they are not ( toyota). really shameful
January 16, 2008 @ 8:00 pm
tokmoh said,
January 16, 2008 @ 5:24 pm
==agreed that building a car have never been easy especially alone, that’s why so many professionals needed. agreed that a model of a car can’t please everyone, that’s why they have many models and specifications line up. even many brands. agreed that “life’s never fair”, can’t agreed with u or this chips yap, malaysian are not all spoilt brats but there is some, even to the rest of the world. donald trump also like to spoil himself. if we don’t spoilt ourselves, don’t ask for or demand more, we will never improve our life, samething to the products, they will never improve, or having new products. e.g. demand to a better, efficient and cleaner green engine. tata nano launched also wanted to capture the market for the motorcyclist to upgrade to a car, just like our early days kancil. will u still to the old saga for 20 years the same way until now?? it’s all depends on how u look at it and how we work it out or deal with it. …………
January 16, 2008 @ 8:01 pm
car_key99 said,
January 16, 2008 @ 3:48 pm
Why P1 never participate any big motorshow?? I think P1 should do that to be more competitive, more xposure with latest design technology, more innovative concept, establish brand and increase confident level to fight with
competitor…being more aggrsive.
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Well, since you said NEVER. Let me named two only for your information. Sydney Auto Show 2007 and Bangkok Auto Show 2007. Proton showed their latest Gen.2 facelited model with Campro CPS 1.6 engine besides the Savvy. Remember? Have you read and listen news? Don’t just shooting blindly. Get you facts right, ok bro?
January 16, 2008 @ 8:01 pm
tokmoh said,
January 16, 2008 @ 5:24 pm
Walau, anj97 rly caused a stir. I’ll tell u sumthin: I’ve used a CAD program before, n I can tell that if u want to design a carburetor, it’ll take a minimum of 3 days if u rly, rly focus n study a lot on how to use the software. That’s oni the carburetor. Today all use fuel inject, I dun wan to imagine how much more complicated it is…..
What most ppl see is other cars got this and that, while Proton dun have them. What ppl HARDLY see is the work to make the features last (prototype n testing), n imagine doin it urself.
That said, I hv to say, unker Chips Yap is absolutely correct abt Msians: we are a bunch of spoilt brats. Indians (in India) are joyful gettin their Tata Nano, bt Msians? Oredi given a/c, front pw, got 1 airbag, got pretensioner seat belts, got 7 colours to choose etcetc still wanna bash it mercilessly. That must’ve been due to personal reasons, eh? And stop giving excuses of how “Bcuz I’m an ex-Proton owner, I’ve been changing pw 234580275 times in 2 months, this lah, that lah,†n always the rhetoric “In US/Japan/wherever, Toyota XX is $??? oni,â€
The grass may be greener on the other side, but “hujan batu di negeri sendiri†is always lebih baik. Migrating just so u can get a cheap Toyota or BMW is more childish than sucking your thumb. U dun like how the real world throws its dice at u, change ur position. Even billionaire Donald Trump once made a very famous quote: “LIFE’S NEVER FAIRâ€. U gotta deal wit it, or u can choose to stay poor n stupid all ur life.
Benjo, u soo lucky!! Btw, wat does “vads†stand for? Yea, mayb Paul shud make a gatherin, heheh. I oso wan to b able to b more in touch wit some ppl here, esp The Unicons, u readin this? Perhaps I shud start rollin the dice, so Unicons, u can mail me at tokmoh(underscore)2000az(at)yahoo(dot)co(dot)uk
Cheers n happy motoring
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Wow, I support you!!!
January 16, 2008 @ 8:21 pm
shamel said,
January 16, 2008 @ 5:44 pm
==just imagine, 20 years ago most of the buyers can buy foreign makes and has many foreign manufacturers in malaysia. now most of the buyer only can buy local makes and many jobless because the foreign manufacturers are closing down one by one, even the dealers……..and their going to our neighbouring countries. “at least p1 had helped us by keeping the roads bz. n had done so much for the country including boosting our economy n providing job opportunities.” how true it is, debatable.
January 16, 2008 @ 8:27 pm
Well, I read your post tokmoh. Yes. I agree with you. Oh ya, last time Perodua cars also no airbag(s) and so on…. but nobody say milo tin and so on. Why Proton? They criticize it until now even though Proton proved their car much better than those models rebadged from Mitsubishi, thier own designed Waja and Gen.2?
Perodua cars do have much lesser problems than Proton but that doesn’t mean this new Saga (older models such as Savvy, Satria Neo and Persona) still having BIG PROBLEMS such as the qualities and still weak in their cars chassis and frame. Why still compare old Waja and Gen.2 models? We much look what is now. Anyway, I don’t mean Proton is good enough. If we are car fans, of course we want every car manufacturers to do better and not give bloody nonsense comments or at first those people say bashing Proton so that can do well. Then when Proton is doing a bit better, those people start to cursing (curse) back Proton by saying how well they can do lah, how many cars they can sell lah with this type of design and so on.
Happy motoring, especially to you tokmoh. I’ll e-mail you once I got time. Promise.
January 16, 2008 @ 8:29 pm
king said,
January 16, 2008 @ 7:48 pm
pengawas said,
-wrong.. those who is rebadging, copying and modifying by change the front and rear looks, selling at higher price and declared as a national car is really shame….
__________
can’t agree more.
just to add on….also rebadging n pretending to be something they are not ( toyota). really shameful
==P1 or P2, rebadging or not, our PM consider it both as national car. what shame r u talking about? our PM went to both cars launching ceremonies, u hv problems with that??? hmm………sigh…
January 16, 2008 @ 8:49 pm
The Unicons said,
January 16, 2008 @ 8:27 pm
==last time is history, anyway kancil bang my car, everything still ok. my old wira bang it, broken grill, light and bumper. believe it or not? might be the case people say milo tin and so on. won’t be surprise that time because most of the cars were proton on the road. soon u might see a lot comments on perodua since they are more on the roads. i m still thinking having this blm or persona as my third car. just love cars, the fun of it.
January 16, 2008 @ 9:00 pm
hi, some of u i already send full picture exterior and interior of blm….pls check yr mail, thanks.
January 16, 2008 @ 9:12 pm
To tec96248. That’s what I wanted to point out. That was last time, those Saga, Wira, Perdana, Satria, Tiara, Juara and all its variants. Waja much better but still not strong enough as tested in EuroNCAP. I’ve seen Gen.2 crash test, so much better than Waja. Further improvements have been done on Savvy, Satria Neo, Persona and new Saga. However, some people still got the same perception by looking back all those old models? Especially the Waja by pasting the link Waja in EuroNCAP and the one Jeremy Clarkson Top Gear comment!!
So, do you think this is fair for Proton by people who always look at the past models and bashing like hell?
Even there was people who said the new Saga look like Hyundai Accent 2008. The grill and rear light. I’ve seen, where got the same. Totally different. This guy just like saying Proton always copies from others, not creative yet copy and come out with lousy quality products.
January 16, 2008 @ 9:14 pm
tec96248 said,
January 16, 2008 @ 8:29 pm
==P1 or P2, rebadging or not, our PM consider it both as national car. what shame r u talking about? our PM went to both cars launching ceremonies, u hv problems with that??? hmm………sigh…
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-no..no.. i’m talking about nz…
January 16, 2008 @ 9:59 pm
nuajon said,
January 16, 2008 @ 9:00 pm
hi, some of u i already send full picture exterior and interior of blm….pls check yr mail, thanks.
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bro, can u pls send me those email too???
evryday i log in excitedly to read the latest comments on BLM…..
it is jus so frustrating to read some of the ‘not so nice remarks’ by some people abt BLM n P1..hmmmm
whatever they say…..i’m still getting it!! and i can’t wait to read paul’s review on BLM tis friday!! i trust his judgment n lat us all wait n see…
January 16, 2008 @ 10:03 pm
hi…
juz wanna say thanks to all of the bloggers who dropped in to say hi to me the other day!!!
i do agree that paul should do a gathering..let us all meet n talk more on cars!!
January 16, 2008 @ 10:03 pm
pls send mail to me yr private e-mail send to nuajon@yahoo.com
thank you…
January 17, 2008 @ 3:38 am
pengawas said,
January 16, 2008 @ 9:14 pm
tec96248 said,
January 16, 2008 @ 8:29 pm
==P1 or P2, rebadging or not, our PM consider it both as national car. what shame r u talking about? our PM went to both cars launching ceremonies, u hv problems with that??? hmm………sigh…
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-no..no.. i’m talking about nz…
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there is no difference between p2 n naza in what they do…only they rebadge different cars
January 17, 2008 @ 3:47 am
Dear All Paultanians:
I never intend to buy Proton in my life except Neo if they had better (more economical engine). BUT lately, I must say kudos to many forummers especially Paul itself, Sifu, Prem, MyVikiller, Nuojau, Ms Purple et al (some extent BigFish but he obviously targeting p1-quite unhappy) as you guys made me excited about viewing new SAGA.
This is very clear attempt from P1 to unseat (or reclaim their seat back) from p2. If P1 successful I’m very happy too for my country though I still prefer P1 partner with VW, Honda or Toyota.
SiFu my dream- proton will have MPV like new Stream/Wish category with 50MPG or 60MPG for commonrail turbodiesel. No point having fresh design inside out but too costly and risky to produce.
January 17, 2008 @ 9:46 am
king said,
January 17, 2008 @ 3:38 am
there is no difference between p2 n naza in what they do…only they rebadge different cars
==do u know the difference of total rebagded and redesigned looks?? r u having problems with rebagded cars?? proton was rebagded when it first started, europestar was rebagded of proton gen2. most important is to be manufactured or local assembled in malaysia, which can be exported also just like myvi as sirion in indonesia. even major players like GM, toyota are doing so. doesn’t matter whether it is toyota, honda, nissan, naza, p1 or p2 etc, as long as it is made in malaysia; it will create jobs to us. unless u were more a brand lover than cars lover………..agree?
January 17, 2008 @ 11:26 am
The Unicons said
Well, since you said NEVER. Let me named two only for your information. Sydney Auto Show 2007 and Bangkok Auto Show 2007. Proton showed their latest Gen.2 facelited model with Campro CPS 1.6 engine besides the Savvy. Remember? Have you read and listen news? Don’t just shooting blindly. Get you facts right, ok bro?
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Is that a big motorshows 5star category?? U must be kidding..hahaha.
Have u been any motorshow or not??? just shooting blindly.
January 17, 2008 @ 12:08 pm
car_key99,
Since P1 is not going to sell their cars in America, what is the point to participate in Detroit Motor Show? Even in Europe their market is limited to UK, so Geneva Auto Show is also pointless, so is Tokyo MS. It is better to participate in Motor Shows where the intended target market were.ie Bankok or Australia.
January 17, 2008 @ 12:43 pm
Hi guys,
Can’t wait to see the new SAGA. I’m working for a company that supply alloy wheels. I’ve also worked in companies that produced metal & plastic parts. What we supply to proton,P2 & Naza use the same people,method,material & quality standard as the parts supplied to Toyota,Honda & exported to germany. They’re the same. Naza & P2 are run by people who use to run proton. So not much difference, it’s just that most people can’t seem to see beyond the badge.
January 17, 2008 @ 12:49 pm
the salesman said proton’s sending the BLM to the showrooms today. so u can see the BLM tonite. proton near my apartment in puchong closes at 10 pm. u dont have to wait till tomorrow
January 17, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
Realeyes are u blind eyes?? Do you think motorshow just for selling a car….
oh very sad….its ok if u dont know.
January 17, 2008 @ 1:53 pm
Car_key99, you think 5-Star is the highest rating? People got 7-Star already. Even the Latio rated as 6-Star in JNCAP compared to EuroNCAO only 5-Star, which is the highest.
Who cares about 5 Star or not, even cars like Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Volkwagen, Lexus and many those marques were there. So you think that were small scale motor show?
January 17, 2008 @ 2:03 pm
car_key99 said,
January 17, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
Realeyes are u blind eyes?? Do you think motorshow just for selling a car….
oh very sad….its ok if u dont know.
=What is the point of showing your cars without wanting to sell them?
January 17, 2008 @ 2:10 pm
..sempat ke nak pasang the remaining parts tu.. ada pic baru tak ?
January 17, 2008 @ 2:15 pm
tec96248 said,
January 17, 2008 @ 9:46 am
king said,
January 17, 2008 @ 3:38 am
there is no difference between p2 n naza in what they do…only they rebadge different cars
==do u know the difference of total rebagded and redesigned looks?? r u having problems with rebagded cars?? proton was rebagded when it first started, europestar was rebagded of proton gen2. most important is to be manufactured or local assembled in malaysia, which can be exported also just like myvi as sirion in indonesia. even major players like GM, toyota are doing so. doesn’t matter whether it is toyota, honda, nissan, naza, p1 or p2 etc, as long as it is made in malaysia; it will create jobs to us. unless u were more a brand lover than cars lover………..agree
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I think u are the one that is confused. local assemble or CKD cars are not rebranded. YOU BETTER KNOW the difference b4 talking. rebranding means rebadging. Check your english.
1.) Redesign? I bet p2 & naza need a 500 personnel R&D team to redesign. what redesign u tell me? engine? suspension? redesign the term vvt-i to dvvt? it is only minor cosmetic changes.
2.) Proton used to rebadge too last time. They had to keep on paying royalty to mitsu.But look at BLM today…which foreign model is it based on?
3.) Brand lover? Quite the contrary. If a particular company keep coming out with new tactics to cheat consumers of course you will hate that brand too, right? Unless u enjoy being cheated/ are easy to be cheated.
I used to hate proton last time when they forced consumers to take full accessories at ultra inflated prices. Today P1 shows sincerely their efford to improve and make better value for money cars for consumers.
4.) Brand lover or not its not up to you to decide but your actions already show that u love p2 no matter how ridiculously high price are their models. U pay for the artificial intangible “toyota” badge in a p2 model.
5.) can’t wait for this car to kill overpriced tiny viva. surely you’ll see a price reduction for viva very soon.
cheers
January 17, 2008 @ 4:07 pm
dear king n tec96248… cant stand the heat between u guys….
funny actually when ur talking abt terms of english in here….
since im an english teacher, i have lots of dictionaries..
i dont mind to lend it to u guys if tht could help to cool urselves up!!!
hehehehe
January 17, 2008 @ 4:41 pm
Realeyes said
What is the point of showing your cars without wanting to sell them?
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Oh like thats ka. I thought the purpose of motorshow is to promote our capabilities, specialities with new techonologies and to study future market segment by compete with other car makers at the same time we can compare and improve our weakness…..ooo now i realize i miss understand la…motorshow is just to sell our car onlyyy…
January 17, 2008 @ 5:07 pm
I agree with car_key99. If the sole purpose of car show is to sell cars, then it will be just a big car sale. Don’t need to display concept cars or tune-up vehicles. Just drive one from the shoe room to the car show.
January 17, 2008 @ 5:31 pm
I know what were you 2 guys talking about, you dont have to tell me that. I was talking in compound of P1 financial capabilities. Just to travel halfway aroud the globe and to join “5 star” Motor Show where you have no solid background in surrounding area is financially not wise especially for P1.
Suddenly an average Joe come to you and said, Oo, I like this Pear Sonna, where can I get it? Uhm, you have to move to Malaysia dude!
January 17, 2008 @ 5:49 pm
Realeyes
Dont be so serious it just a discussion….
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January 17, 2008 @ 7:49 pm
king said,
January 17, 2008 @ 2:15 pm
I think u are the one that is confused. local assemble or CKD cars are not rebranded. YOU BETTER KNOW the difference b4 talking. rebranding means rebadging. Check your english.
==i believe u have difficulties to understand the whole paragraph of english. PLEASE READ AGAIN CAREFULLY, afterall this is about car not english language, dude.
1.) Redesign? I bet p2 & naza need a 500 personnel R&D team to redesign. what redesign u tell me? engine? suspension? redesign the term vvt-i to dvvt? it is only minor cosmetic changes.
==can u prove that p2 and naza whether they have incorporated their own design or not even a minor things, example, suspension? u work with them before P2 and naza? do u need to design it even by changing the tail or head lights? do it need to be designed again even changes on the logo? please ask those who are into this trade. anyway, no point arguing with u if u don’t understand it.
2.) Proton used to rebadge too last time. They had to keep on paying royalty to mitsu.But look at BLM today…which foreign model is it based on?
==hmm……..when did i say blm is foreign model based? u have mistaken someone else.
3.) Brand lover? Quite the contrary. If a particular company keep coming out with new tactics to cheat consumers of course you will hate that brand too, right? Unless u enjoy being cheated/ are easy to be cheated.
I used to hate proton last time when they forced consumers to take full accessories at ultra inflated prices. Today P1 shows sincerely their efford to improve and make better value for money cars for consumers.
==i don’t know how u have this impression of the company is cheating the consumers and why to hate the brand…….i never hate the brand even if it does fail me few times, because i just love cars.
the product on sales are such way, if u like it u buy it, if don’t like it don’t buy. have u ever tried to request on the accessories which don’t want to be included? maybe longer waiting period? is not about cheating the consumers, because the consumers are smart and they are willing to pay for it. afterall most of the consumers demand more accessories.
4.) Brand lover or not its not up to you to decide but your actions already show that u love p2 no matter how ridiculously high price are their models. U pay for the artificial intangible “toyota†badge in a p2 model.
==hmm……..u have mistaken again. i didn’t mention or telling u that i love p2 only. or it is “toyota” in p2 model……my goodness. high price of their models-subjective……. hey! i did mention i m considering to buy blm or persona as my third car and i love cars.
5.) can’t wait for this car to kill overpriced tiny viva. surely you’ll see a price reduction for viva very soon.
==agreed, so much local parts still not selling cheap.
==by the way, don’t simply accuse me before understanding it, after all automotives and transportations is part of my bread and butter, so does P1, P2 and others……
January 17, 2008 @ 8:00 pm
misspurple said,
January 17, 2008 @ 4:07 pm
it is so nice of u. thank you, i hv quite a numbers of dictionaries too. afterall i m just using simple english for easy understanding. it is still difficult? maybe i didn’t look into the grammars since it is car blog. i m thinking hv the blm with genetic silver.
January 17, 2008 @ 11:00 pm
blm friend
http://www.mahindrarenault.com/logan/index.htm
Renault Logan
January 18, 2008 @ 8:24 am
Don’t worry carkey, I’m fun loving too!
peace!
January 18, 2008 @ 8:34 am
anyone got first hand view of the cars?
one of my family member already booked it and now seriously thinking which color to pick. any suggestions?
January 18, 2008 @ 8:46 am
nuajon
renult logan and blm is totaly different…..blm looks better than that.
January 18, 2008 @ 8:56 am
I think black looks nice.
put 15 inch rims and lower…..
January 18, 2008 @ 3:31 pm
dear car_key
sure our BLM is much better than Logan
“”Can Proton produce something that is baseline yet still looks stylish? Something that when you look at it, you may think that the owner could have afforded something else but decided to buy the BLM instead because of its value of money. Basically not something that you are forced to buy because of price alone. If Proton manages to achieve this with the Proton BLM, it will have a huge one up over cars like the Renault Logan.
just for my opinion…i want one!!!