2006 Naza Sutera 1.1 Manual
[ UPDATE: The Naza Sutera is now known as the Naza Forza. Click the link for a test drive report. ]
Naza has launched it’s new car, the Naza Sutera on Saturday, 22nd April 2006. It’s launch coincides with the launch of Naza’s new RM1.3 billion in Bertam, Kepala Batas. The Naza Sutera is a 1.1 liter small car focusing on economy and is based on a little Chinese car called the Hafei Lobo. Naza developed the Naza Sutera with an investment of RM200 million.
This is Naza’s 4th car, with the first 3 being the Kia-licensed Naza Ria, Naza Citra and the Naza Sorento. The Naza Sutera is a 5-door mini car powered by a 1.1 liter DOHC 16 valve EFI engine which makes 65hp of power at 5700rpm and 88Nm of torque between 2500-3000rpm. It’s not the fastest thing around, but the low peak torque should prove to be convenient during stop-and-go city driving. The engine is Chinese-made, but is said to be based on a Japanese design. It takes RON92 petrol, which is slightly cheaper than RON97 petrol which is currently RM1.88 versus RM1.92 per liter. The Naza Sutera has a 40-liter fuel tank, so that should cost RM76.80 with RON97 petrol and RM75.20 with RON92 petrol for a full tank of petrol. Right now the Naza Sutera 1.1 liter only comes with a 5-speed manual transmission, but an automatic variant is coming soon.
The original manufacturer, Hafei had commissioned Pininfarina of Italy to design the body, but Naza had did some of their own rebranding and I think it turned out so much more better than the original. The front face reminds me of a Ford, including the Naza badge which seems pretty Ford-ish to me, words in an oval badge. The design is quite sporty, with large gaping air vents in the bumper. BTW, notice the windscreen wipers? Both wipers are positioned at opposite sides of the car, like the new Honda Civic’s wipers.
Wheels are 165/55/R14, so they should be pretty cheap to change as compared to the Proton Savvy’s 15 inch ones. The suspension was developed by Lotus Engineering in the UK, but Naza tweaked it to be softer to suit Malaysian tastes. Suspension are independant MacPherson struts in front, and a trailing beam at the back which is very common with cars like this. Also unlike the Perodua Kancil, the car comes with a power steering.
The interior has a center-mounted dashboard meter console. The meter console is straight like the Nissan X-Trail instead of angled towards the driver like the Perodua Kancil and Toyota Vios. The higher spec GSi model has a silver trimmed interior scheme while the base GS model has a graphite trimmed interior. Everything else is cream-coloured to give the interior a more spacious look. Storage spaces include the basic amneties like a cup-holder. There is also a front console pocket and a center console pocket. And the glovebox of course. The dashboard center area reminds me of the Mitsubishi Lancer’s. Functional, and simple. The Naza Sutera has power windows for the front windows and manual wind-up windows for the rear windows.
Both the high-trim GSi and the lower-end GS model comes with a single-DIN sized MP3 CD player and 4-speakers as well as 2 tweeters. The GSi model has a reverse sensor built into the audio system while the GS model has no reverse sensor. But a car this size should be pretty easy to reverse pack, and even more easy with the lack of a boot. Pictures above is the interior trim for the Naza Sutera GSi, which has silver trim. Below is the graphite version of the interior trim which is offered on the Naza Sutera GS.
In terms of safety features, you’ll be pleased to know that all Naza Sutera models will come equipped with dual airbags as standard. One for the driver, and one for the passanger.
The overall theme of the car seems to be triangles. Funky triangular signal lamps at the base of the A-pillar, triangular door handle indentations and triangular rear brakelights. The rear brakelights are of the crystal type of design, with individual clearly separated turn, brake and reverse lights in the cluster.
The rear hatch opens upwards to reveal a boot. Nothing too fantastic, but the rear seats can be folded down to extend storage space in case you decided to bring the Naza Sutera to do some Ikea shopping!
The Naza Sutera GS is priced at RM35,998 while the Naza Sutera GSi will cost RM36,998. Colour options available are Mercury Silver, Sunburst Orange, Pacifica Blue, and Fusion Green for the Naza Sutera GS, while the Naza Sutera GSi Sport has two colour options which are Onyx Black and Citrine Yellow. Slightly sportier colours. If you don’t mind the lack of an automatic transmission and want a cheap car with airbags, do check the Naza Sutera out.
For those that want something a bit bigger, stay tuned for the launch of the Naza NX-02 which will be based on the French hatchback Peugeot 206, slated to be unveiled in the middle of May 2006.
Pictured above is the original Hafei Lobo 1.1 liter left-hand drive car from China. Hafei wants to focus on the left-hand drive market, so Naza licensed the platform to concentrate on the right-hand drive market. Smart partnership.
The Naza Sutera has a production run of 30,000 units a year currently, with 20,000 for the local market and 10,000 destined for export. The launch ceremony had importers from right-hand drive foreign countries like Malta, Cyprus, Sri Lanka, Brunei, India, Bangladesh, South Africa, the United Kingdom, Pakistan, Nepal and Singapore attending it and agreements for the export of the Naza Sutera to their countries were signed. The initial export market for the car would be ASEAN countries like Thailand, Indonesia and Singapore. Naza also might open an assembly plant overseas, with India identified as a possible location. South Africa’s Essa Motors dealer principal Farouk Ebrahim Essa said the Naza Sutera had better build quality than it’s main competitor in South Africa the Tata Indica, and could easily capture 10% of the market share there in due time. IM Group from the UK said it plans to introduce the Naza Sutera there in 6 months’ time, however some slightly localisation is required.
Related News:
Naza NX-02/Naza Bestari open for booking
April 24, 2006 @ 10:04 am
Cosmetic changes are fine, but this is not top-range china-made.
They make a mistake bring in china low end models, which give consumer poor impression of china mades.
There are bigger and better size china makes by Chery.
For 40k, people will have second-thought, if 1/2 of the price. That will fill the gap and make people happy with china-made.
pity the RAKYATS that are “forced
to fork out RM40k range (savvy, sutera,)
for a sub-standard vehicles in a protected cum monopoly market,
that one can BUY at 1/2 of the price, at ex-M’sia countries.
For Rm40k range,
RAKAYS should be getting Swift, getz, aveo,
BOON, Myvi, jazz, yaris, 206!
April 24, 2006 @ 10:05 am
This one looks better than the Hafei Lobo .
April 24, 2006 @ 10:43 am
Wonder will this Sutera affect Myvi or Savy sales ? Since it’s relatively cheap compared to Myvi and Savy. RM36K only with 2 airbag and CD/MP3 players 6 speakers …… looks not too bad either BUT China low end car. Well have to see the reponse la …..
April 24, 2006 @ 11:26 am
over in china, a new car that sell at RM30k will fast drop to RM15k,
when it is not moving!
so, over here,
just like PROTON, they can’t sleep NOW,
when their savvy/ gen2 are not moving,
with “HUGE overstaffS and over-capacity huge investmnet and inflated-costing”,
start losing BIG money,
they soon cut price 10%..and more…
.and eventually DUMPING the cars
…(just like china…)..other national cars players follow…
then this will force CKD cars to drop too…
…and thenPROTON will BEG the Government to drop the “crazy exercise duty tax”,
==== M’sia car price is PROTON driven! PRoton is the ROOT of all problems.
And now, PROTON is in the edge of CRIPPLING..!
make it happen and bring back quality cars at fair price!
April 24, 2006 @ 11:27 am
Hmm looks ok to me, the performance wise have to test drive and see. But i think it’s a lil too small. ( like SARDIN CAN)
April 24, 2006 @ 11:29 am
Hi Kendo, actually we can even get Toyota Vios around that range (40K) those blood sucker not only want to suck our blood, want to eat our bone somemore…
April 24, 2006 @ 11:38 am
Interior like Perodua Kancil pun ada… look pretty but i worry if they plug the low quality accessories. Ye lah ada 2 airbag and CD/MP3 players 6 speakers with only RM36K
April 24, 2006 @ 11:55 am
Let see who win this races of smal cutie car. Can Naza outrun Savvy and Myvi in the long run. But I agree that Malaysian still lack of confident with Chinese branded goods. Naza waiting to launch their 206 next month to fight with SRM. Malaysian have more option now, even though price wise, P1 win a bit.
April 24, 2006 @ 11:56 am
rm40k with dual airbags
sounds nice..but how well is the built quality?
lets hope this car turn out ok..coz its already here
otherwise it will be a hazard to our people
even with airbags doesnt mean it is a safe car
remember the chinese SUV crash test?the airbags was like useless
April 24, 2006 @ 11:56 am
(this is my imagination only…)
Another disposable products from NAZA, may be…. anyone has 35k to dispose?… NAZA bikes r suck (proven).. they r disposable skuters… use and dispose.. anyway 36k not much la… msian r used to expensive cars… boleh what??… in Bolehland… Mari la beli Sutera!!.. then pls share yr experience here…
April 24, 2006 @ 12:04 pm
Yo…Yo….i do had a test drive yesterday….cool!!!
with 1.1 doch engine….can fight with kelisa also…heard that sales agent said the auto version will come out next year…but better go for manual…hahahaha
coz i had try it for climbing small hill…hahahaha hope it can go up genting…..
April 24, 2006 @ 12:20 pm
Need to test drive afterall…
For first car owner, upgrading from bike to car, ladies (not so much bcoz no AT yet), this car will win maybe sekali pandang… wah got air-bag, wah got mp3 player, wah electrnic mirror adj, wah nice interior, wah nice color, wah cheaper price… (my personal opinion, no offence)
With all those “wah” above is just accessories… the most important thing (back to basic) will still be the car chassis, engine, gear box, rim-tyre, suspension and handling (again my personal opinion, no offence)
The Sutera Top Speed 130km/h (as stated last time lah), are you sure it is your cup of tea / teh tarik / kopi-o?
Bila nak overtake pun, need to be very careful especially on highway. For me, top speed is important (I am not kaki racing and no doubt we don’t use it all the time) but it give me extra ’safety headroom’ when I need to overtake of course plus the handling and car minimum bodyroll.
130km/h top speed, what about 110km/h on highway? Will it stress the car too much? How about the sound engine sound when it reach 110km/h… will it be very very noisy and not comfortable? Just doubt, maybe some have tested will post here too…
Cheers
April 24, 2006 @ 12:31 pm
this is what NAZA business is all about - rebadge
at the end the one who get the benefit is foreign car makers which being rebadge here
they easily can get national status with help from NAZA
as M’sians should we be proud of it?ashame?angry?
April 24, 2006 @ 12:59 pm
The front facia is fine, but dear god the rear tail lamps look hideous to me. Kinda reminds me of those rubiks triangles A&W used to give out with their Beary Meals.
The center console has to be the worst not cosmetic wise but from an ergonomic standpoint. If it’s going to be in the center, at least make it slunted towards the driver like in the Toyota Vios!
April 24, 2006 @ 1:15 pm
dino.. so how?? ok ka?? where u test drive??.. u goin to buy or not??… buy la.. so i can borrow for a while…
From the facts above.. i can say the engine quite ok.. got pick up oso…may be much better compare to ATOZ engine.. but really doubt about cheap maintainance.. where to find chinese parts in spare part shops??.. i wud take some time.. NAZA shops difficult to find oso….
April 24, 2006 @ 1:20 pm
I still wonder lah…why our cars (local & imported) still cost so much aaa?..Here comes another entry…also the same story….Cannot make like
April 24, 2006 @ 1:20 pm
if our local carmaker is TRULY CAPABLE, the industry is HEALTHY & COMPETITIVE, do u think there’s any room for substandard rebadges making inroads into our market? do u think ppl still have the need to “under-declare”? do u think ppl will still take the trouble to find and abuse all the loopholes they can find?
IF the system is fair, it would render such deviation unworthy to be done. but the reality here is, the system is too skewed. too protective towards the local carmakers. too benefitting our “national” makes
dont blame Naza or Nasimuddin for just being a cunning entrepreneur. he saw a loophole to abuse. he saw an opening. what other ppl sees as problems, he saw business opportunities. and he grabbed it. (i’m not promoting him fyi, just merely stating an example) at least someone had done something instead of waiting hand, foot and mouth for APs and project tenders to fall on their laps automatically.
even when they get one, instead of working on it, they sell it or sub-contract it to others. is that the way to be competitive? is dat the way to be a Bangsa Melayu Maju?
nay, forever we’ll be on crutches. i feel ashamed for my brethrens!
Attack the problem at its source! nip the problem in the bud! it’s the system and policies we should target. that’s the root of the woes plaguing us Malaysian as a whole today. and know that we have the right AND power to do so once every 5 years!
April 24, 2006 @ 1:35 pm
Oh i cannot imagine how things will turned out in this way…
A China “NAZA” car in our local market ?!
The backlight of the car is really ugly… eih.. yaaack….
April 24, 2006 @ 1:59 pm
from my point of view, naza, proton and perodua should come up with a new project and comes up with 3 different individual designing, engineering, quality and performance to suits local taste. So then we can see who wins the m’sian auto-hearts! Maybe then local tv can come up with the local reality show about these 3 companies on how they built this car. That my friend is EDU-tainment / INFO-tainment… hhaah
April 24, 2006 @ 2:22 pm
now naza…
y don these people spend their money on R&D, hire world class engineers.. and create a damn syiok Malaysian car… u noe.. not like taking a china built platform 4 sutera or renault engines 4 savvy, daihatsu platform 4 perodua… so boring… i wonder wen will malaysian able 2 drive a made in malaysia car… 100% made in malaysia, by malaysians… but looks like its going the other way… like the british way.. where they sold… mg, rolls royce, bently, lotus, aston martin, looks like that u noe… daihatsu owns 51% in perodua.. n now proton wans 2 sell their shares 2 volkswagen ag???
April 24, 2006 @ 2:24 pm
HatukNgkau..
The source is politic.. join politic la, talk so much about it oso no point… i will vote for u, join the kabinet.. & then u can change the NAP for us… but make sure u beat Datuk Rafidah 1st, if can beat Paklah, much better… hehehe.. then u can be Datuk Seri HatukNgkau… i will give u the title.. (bcoz sultans sure wont give, they may dislike yr name).. hahaha..
ps: This is my imagination only…
April 24, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
It looks ok, with comparison to Kelisa and Kacil 800 cc.
But somehow when you ask about this sutera and new saga, people would choose saga…
April 24, 2006 @ 2:32 pm
i think the package looks good, interior and exterior , i had seen it, except i haven’t test drive it……….
i wanna see how good is the engine, gear ratio and the suspension setup………..
April 24, 2006 @ 2:44 pm
Design not bad but hate the lights. Hofo lights better. Cannot believe priced at RM30k plus. Should be kancil price.
April 24, 2006 @ 3:19 pm
can any ony one tell me the FC of Naza Sutera?
April 24, 2006 @ 4:13 pm
It looks like a promising city car though it’d be more compelling if they could publish some decent crash test figures.
April 24, 2006 @ 4:14 pm
the price for this small compact car is very competitive,again the quality and reliability is a major concern. let’s wait and see whether naza has done enough to improve and modified the car to suit the severe malaysian weather.. anyway, i am more interested in the coming model nx02 basing on peugeot 206..
April 24, 2006 @ 5:13 pm
Paul did actually said, the handling was developed by Lotus and then got tweaked by Naza. Hmm…that’s an interesting fact. I wonder if the handling can match the Savvy.
Anyway, Naza has build a new plant in Bertam. Perodua got their own in Rawang and Proton in Tg. Malim. Why can’t these 3 automakers join up and form a consortium? They can segregate the type of vehicle they are producing. For example, P1 can build the sedan and saloon, P2 built the lower market minis and Naza build the SUVs and MPVs. I think they could emerge to be a better player in global market.
Just my 2 cents.
April 24, 2006 @ 5:21 pm
Even in one year Malaysia can produce 10 brand new cars there is nothing to be proud. First the car is not totally full Malaysian made,the price much,much expensive and the size small like sardine’s can. Not worth to buy.
The quality of the car ……no guarantee for consumer…..but guarantee for the bloodsuckers become more richer.
So no doubt most of the malaysian like to buy foreign cars.
April 24, 2006 @ 6:46 pm
according to chinese site info,
price from RM18k,
this hafei mini is targeting low-end markets,
in china that means farmer,poor motorbikers,,
(the KD part is imported from china,
i doubt NAZA press??? anything here,
just like citra, carnival= CKD)
and to export to third world countries like
africa…nigeria…ghana…and.. ..now landed in
Mad-tax-LAND… are we that crap?????
April 24, 2006 @ 6:50 pm
and to export to third world countries like
africa…nigeria…ghana…and.. ..now landed in
Mad-tax-LAND… are we that crap?????
and our heads called that “NATIONAL CAR”!!!
April 24, 2006 @ 7:07 pm
Madtaxland??.. whoa… come on la guys.. thats too much… u know or not, if u set up a plant here in bolehland, u can get 5 years tax free??? (under pioneer industries), if u ve so many kids oso u can get free from income tax (deduct RM800 / head).. bolehland is not so bad u know… hahahah…
CrazyCartaxland is more accurate.. hahaha… but i agree.. lower income can use crapcars only, may be cars made from PVC someday, our myvi is as soft as PVC oredi….hahaha..
April 24, 2006 @ 7:09 pm
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April 24, 2006 @ 7:49 pm
the price is a bit higher than i expected. exterior still ok, but the interior, kinda ‘plastic’.
April 24, 2006 @ 7:50 pm
yup, it does look like a Ford Focus from the front…..but the rear look is really no good - like got chopped off ala new Kancil look. bloody ugly.
i also wonder whether the placement of the front indicator lights at the base of the C-pillar will compromise the strength…….reason being the replacement of the steel in that position by plastics….maybe we can take a test drive and test crash it..hehe..
April 24, 2006 @ 8:57 pm
Front lights reminds me of Myvi
April 24, 2006 @ 9:05 pm
This is a very nice little city car which can compete with Preodua. Some of you may be bias against China made. Don’t forget Japanese and Korean also gone through the tough time. Naza has made a very good cosmetic change to the original Hafei Lobo and now the front looks like Ford. Anyway, give them a little support. You have no other choices since you live in Car tax land or Boleh Land.
April 24, 2006 @ 10:37 pm
still prefer the kancil old looks….
April 25, 2006 @ 2:19 am
motorhead - They (the guys who created the car tax policies) created such nonsense so that the rich can keep on buying the best cars you can have in the world, while we…they want to keep people like us to keep on buying craps. The worse the better, so they said. “They” are so full of shit, don’t you all agree?
April 25, 2006 @ 2:37 am
rhoma said,
April 24, 2006 @ 12:31 pm
this is what NAZA business is all about - rebadge
at the end the one who get the benefit is foreign car makers which being rebadge here
they easily can get national status with help from NAZA
as M’sians should we be proud of it?ashame?angry?
How come when myvi was out nobody complained it was a rebadged daihatsu? How biased.
At least naza did quite some improvements on the design and suspension.
About the pricing, i think it is reasonable considering a kelisa manual is around 35k. Spec-wise totally outclassed by sutera. Perodua need to use gimmick like kelisa imago to push out their old stock. Come on perodua u can do better than that. And don’t talk about quality of kelisa coz it vibrates and rattles terribly like iswara only after 2-3 yrs old. Some even vibrate after only 2 months. Just observe any new kelisa’s exhaust next time at traffic lights and u can see it.
April 25, 2006 @ 5:18 am
On the road with price of RM35,998 with 65ps compares to Kelisa RM33,628 with 54ps, and the Sutera has standard 2 front airbag, bigger interior space, and better interior design, the improved exterior design to the
original Hafei Lobo (exterior and interior looks cheap), also the simple
Lotus suspension, but the big problem is how good of this China made engine and what about its FC???
It sure will hold the people who wants to buy Kelisa, second though for
the Sutera. For me, I will wait for few years until people have any good
experience with this China made engine.
April 25, 2006 @ 8:41 am
RM40K,
over in INDOnesia.
avenza is sold at RM40K!
April 25, 2006 @ 8:42 am
and RM40k,
U get an ORIGINAL
peugot 206, 1.6L, in CHINA!
April 25, 2006 @ 8:47 am
or
jAZZ1.3L
Toyota VIOS 1.3L!
That’s what we called ” CAR LIFE”!
April 25, 2006 @ 10:01 am
y nobady mention abt the FC one…??? i want to know the FC…
Plz..
April 25, 2006 @ 1:17 pm
with no auto transmission in the offering, it could be a repeated savvy scenario. Naza need to act fast to introduce the auto version.. looking at the photos, the plastics looks cheap.. but we need to see the real version to make a proper judgement
April 25, 2006 @ 1:29 pm
any body know the interior and the space of this new naza? is’t like kancil or more better space area for the passenger… ?
April 25, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
I gotta ask you guys this. What’s the craze of relocating the speedometers on the centre of dashboard.? I dont get it ! Did someone or some idiot came out with a research saying that relocating speedometers to the centre of dashboard will be part of a safety feature ?. What difference does it make ? Or is it to clear up driver’s frontal vision ? . I really dont get it. What with the triangular shaped signal lamps ? Does it create more visibility to drivers tailing behind ? . Another new mindless and souless car on the road !
April 25, 2006 @ 3:57 pm
The official web-site of China Hafei-Lobo
http://jsp.auto.sohu.com/view/subbrand-sbid-587.html#list
April 25, 2006 @ 4:38 pm
i wonder if its hv a value in our market sftr a 2,3 years on the road as i don’t think the china make car last longer &unsuitable for our road in here..
April 25, 2006 @ 5:26 pm
for better dirving and comfort, buy naza ria or naza citra… but in consumption of petrol not good.. what do you the performance of this sutera and the FC in this kind of car… do you think the engine are reliable… do you think the percentage of this sutera after sales will not come in with all kind of “masalah”.
April 25, 2006 @ 5:32 pm
goingberserk
i quit agree with u la about the meter dashboard… if u compare with new honda civic… the speedometer still infront of the driver.. and the design look good in the civic…. but in the sutera it look “lawak”…this is why the car is the cut and paste design….
April 25, 2006 @ 6:00 pm
i found out a few web site about “Naza Sutera (Hafei Lobo)”
this “http://www.cheshi.com.cn/news/2005/4/8854.asp” website said the FC is 4.5L/100km
this “http://auto.sina.com.cn/salon/HAFEI/HAFEI/luobaoHFJ7110/car.shtml” and
“http://www.gocar.cn/data/data_serise.aspx?id=77″ website said the FC is 5.4L/100KM
this “http://lubao.org/lbclub/dispbbs.asp?boardid=15&replyid=264138&id=28429&page=1&skin=0&Star=1″ website show the car test.
April 25, 2006 @ 6:26 pm
the dash in the middle is apparently proven by research to be faster to glance when driving and safer since the driver doesn’t really get his eyes off the road. if not mistaken it’s the japanese who figured dat out (i think toyota). i haven’t driven any central-dash cars, so i can’t judge 4 myself yet
April 25, 2006 @ 7:20 pm
Provide more Info about Naza Sutera.the background of it…
1) Hafei (Name of manufacturer) originaly manufacture military products, now widen to cars: View one of product http://news.sohu.com/50/97/news213399750.shtml
2) Hafei Lobo (Naza Sutera) china press release & internal photos (Chinese text)- http://price.auto.sohu.com/html/news/20041010/2004101011155281.shtml , mentioned that the car is self developed, body Italy design, suspension Lotus technology..
3) 100 customers feedback/comments report (Hafei Lobo/Naza sutera)- (Chinese text) majority give good comments: http://price.auto.sohu.com/html/news/20050817/2005817145648796.shtml_01.shtml
4) Since launch mid 2005, every month become No-1 top selling car in China (survey report in monthly basis),View list http://auto.sina.com.cn/news/2005-12-21/1459159284.shtml
5) Price average RMB(RenMingBi)31.8K (=RM16K) (RMB36K to 55K, which is =RM18K to RM26K)
April 25, 2006 @ 7:53 pm
thks raptor !. Probably it worked in Japan but dont think it has any effect on Malaysian style of driving though. I would think of it more of a artistic value rather than of safety purpose.
April 25, 2006 @ 10:29 pm
raptor and berserk,
dash is middle is the best way to reduce cost for vehicles between LH drive and RH drive markets. far less conversion costs between different markets. research by certain car companies claim better visibility (probably to cover up that they are cutting costs) but if you do a proper search u will find that it is actually more dangerous. Do a simple test yourself, drive at 160kmh and check your speedo….u will know. It has certainly caused more accidents. Head Up Display or HUD only genuinly improves safety as you need not take your eyes off the road and refocus on nearer meter.
April 26, 2006 @ 1:15 am
Too genius already maa…. centre meter is very NOT COOL and certainly DANGEROUS(HAZARD) to whoever using the car with that ‘middle’ type..
king if i doing what you said sure i not here typing post already…
DAMN to car maker trying to save COST while we LOST our LIFE…grrrr..
chun202 you find your answer if you research hafei lobo itself…after all SUTERA using the same engine rite?
Overall i impress with the styling laa…gonna wait for NX-02(206) Hopefully under 70K…
April 26, 2006 @ 2:59 am
Heard that the NZ 02 (206) will be named ‘Naza PUTERA’… comes wif shiftronic gear, prising bout $52k, is it true??? heard these rumors from the inside… hav anyone heard it too? if its true, i want one…
April 26, 2006 @ 9:59 am
feez98,
are you sure about 52K ? That’s Myvi 1.3EZi price compared to NX02 bigger engine 1.4 litre plus continental car, it’s a good car, excellent road handling BUT the only problemo is their sky high maintainence ……. any idea when NZ is going to launch NZ02 aka rebadged 206 ? I think not so cheap at 50K region maybe RM60Kplus. Anyone out there care to share ?
April 26, 2006 @ 10:26 am
in china, aussie market,
RM40K get u the
The ORIGINAL,
not clone,
206, 1.6L
(fxxxx..)
April 26, 2006 @ 1:37 pm
Let me get this straight…… Naza Ria is rebadged from Kia Carnival… Naza Citra from Kia Karens.. Naza Sutera from Hofei …Naza Putera from Pgt 206. I would imagine the logistic problem of getting spare parts. Spare parts for 206 isnt cheap. Same goes to Ria & Citra. I dont know abt Hofei but i guess when u buy capalang car you will probably get capalang service and parts. Doesnt make sense at all. Dont know what Naza is looking at ?. Market share ?. dont think so… Hofei is unproven…and parts for continential modelled cars. would be a bomb. Piece of advise.. to u guys.. Before buying car .. consideration shd be given to both car prices, spare parts, availability of services.. maintenance…. etc. NEVER BUY JUST BECOS THE CAR IS CHEAP….
April 26, 2006 @ 2:21 pm
Summary is :-
NAZA = Rebadged
The listing of NZ Group on Bursa:-
Prinicpal activities of NZ Group = rebadging of cars ….. ahhaaaha
Well at least they bring the car prices down a little in this land of expensive cars by TAX
April 26, 2006 @ 5:15 pm
FYI, this car is selling at China from RMB36,800 to RMB41,800, that’s about RM18,400 to RM20,900.
more info at:
http://price.auto.sohu.com/html/news/2006414/2006414111740562.shtml
http://www.gocar.cn/price/xinghao_price2.aspx?pid=4227
sorry all, these links are in Chinese.
rgds,
April 26, 2006 @ 5:25 pm
Just brought my girl colleagues to check this car out. Well, they love the overall shape & size of the car. The light look odd to me but they don’t really care. They loves the interior too. I’ve actually test-driven the car on sunday. For this kind of car, u can’t expect much. Don’t compare this to Suzuki Swift or any fancy sport-tuned car. It’s target market (as I have observed) is more towards woman driver with small budget. Woman don’t see car as guy do. For those looking for car for hard & adventurous drive, look else where. Don’t waste time critisize it’s shortcoming when u can have better option else where ( or do u?)
April 26, 2006 @ 9:13 pm
Body looks fantastic, suitable for woman dirver - only to those with gorgeous
figure !
April 26, 2006 @ 10:36 pm
just went to NAZA World at PJ afterwork, quite a nice car with the price offered. Dual airbag, MP3 with 6 speaker, TIMING CHAIN!! with RM36k??
have some talk with the sales person & he claim that the engine from japan tech, and its only rumors its from china, well… he’s a salesman (the hafei also claim like that)
the seat quite ok, the meter light in red color, the only thing looks funny on the rear lamp, the gap between rear hatch & body was too big, macam boleh bocor je, poor design. i like the fog lamp, totally different with the original hafei lobo
the sales person also claim FC 7L/100km town driving, mean 14.29km/L, hmm.. looks like FC for kancil 850EX
but with 16V DOCH engine he said the max speed is 140km/h? i tried once with 4 speed 660 stock can go to 140km/h (cucuk belakang kereta la)
need to see these couple of months how’s the quality reviews from the users when the car starts to run on the road
April 26, 2006 @ 10:56 pm
another comment from me:
1. all the 5 doors sound very bad, kancil better
2. the rear view mirror jz stick on the windscreen, how strong is it with
no screw?
3. the dashboard color jz ok ok for me, a lot said its a cheap plastic! i agreed
4. stupid meter panel, only like the meter color
5. the air-cond controller, seem worst than new proton saga
6. yes… poor paint job, also the welding, pls see through the door
well with RM36k c/w dual airbag car in malaysia, what can we expect?
maybe by this weekend want to go to NAZA kg baru, NAZA World sales person said the Naza Sutera Sports Concept at that branch
April 27, 2006 @ 4:07 pm
dfendy, I don’t think having a timing chain is something which is bad. The CR-V, Integra Type R, Accord, etc. all use timing chains instead of timing belts. Don’t see it as a negative point.
April 27, 2006 @ 10:46 pm
scudracer, i just impressed with RM36k u can get the specification like that, i just doubt about its quality, i hope the quality better than p1 especially on the engine
April 28, 2006 @ 10:36 am
dfendy
u get the same super spec with naza motorbike (also chinese rebadge), but it only last 3 mths before serious problem start to happen. Cannot last from Klang to Gombak, the bike need a rest. The sad things is that the mechanic recommend total engine change.
Price its really competitive like Sutera, i buy for my little bro under the scheme buy one free one.
I use cars hafei and cherry a lot whilst working in china, the plastic felt much worse then a gen2. not to mention that it rattles like 1yr od kancil. Obviously the standard of plastics must be improved (from the original version) to be accepted by M’sian.
April 28, 2006 @ 8:27 pm
biggie
how’s ur comment on this sutera? u’d drove this original hafei before
April 29, 2006 @ 1:39 pm
Hi…I really need your advice…I’d like to buy MyVi or Naza Sutera n really need advice to opt between these 2 models. Appreciate your response and co-operation…0_^
April 30, 2006 @ 2:13 am
tech side: does it has a timing chain..
April 30, 2006 @ 2:23 pm
booking period:
Sutera = 1month
myvi= 9 month (1.3)
i’m more preferred on myvi, the sutera haven’t know the quality yet, but as i mentioned b4, for RM36k u can get a super specification!! or u may wait a little time until we seen the sutera on the road & hear what the ppl reviews on it, patient sis…
April 30, 2006 @ 10:41 pm
I was at the showroom yesterday, the car looks not bad but finishing not too good, the fabric at the door has come off, salesman says “rush job - they will touch up b4 deliver to customer” 1 month waiting period and must pay RM220 for warranty ! The side moulding on the door has a little gap …… no car available for test drive, but have difficulty in engaging the gear in showroom. Salesman keep on condemning Savy and say Sutera better ….. Overall Sutera is just average, Myvi a lot better la …….. Sutera should be cheaper la say - RM30K.
May 1, 2006 @ 9:05 pm
i went again to NAZA showroom, and this time at kg. baru. just want to see the concept car, wow… nice look. Actually the car already kena campak kat parking lot at p1 and sudah kena bungkus, i ask the sales person to open the cover just to have a look
on the interior they replace the steering, full recaro leather seat, new player, and at the back u can see with double muffler left and right, rim use was 16″
but it just a concept car and not for sale
the sales person said in these couple of days the car will be sent back to the factory, if u guys want to see it, better go there fast at NAZA kg baru
May 2, 2006 @ 9:27 am
My informer said that Naza NX-02 aka will be launched somewhere in May and will be known as Naza Bestari. Expect the price not so cheap, around rm60-65K. He had test-drive the car and said that the car still stable to be driven at 200km/h.
May 3, 2006 @ 8:54 pm
I went to the showroom a few days back to check out the Naza Sutera. It’s a nice car to look at, and perhaps good to be driven too. Unfortunately i wouldn’t say that riding as a passenger would be nice it provides limited space at the back seat after the front seats are extended. The finishing of the interior is satisfying but i wouldn’t say it’s the best. Meanwhile the 1.1 engine is said to be inferior to that of the 1.0 engine of the Perodua Kelisa in sense of power but still has enough power for it’s light weighted body.
To be straightfoward….
What i don’t like is:
1.Parts that are still made in China
2.Doesn’t come in Auto
3.No ABS
4.Space in backseats.
What i like:
1.Great finishing and interior quality if compared to Savvy or Gen-2
2.Driver’s comfort and space.
3.Dual airbags for cars it’s size and range.
4.Nice classic looking gauge.
May 6, 2006 @ 5:49 am
ITS a nice car.it have every think that you want in a car.with only 36k for a 1st car its very good. the dashboard a lot said its a cheap plastic but what i fill its bater then the savvy.
May 6, 2006 @ 7:20 pm
Checked out the car yesterday.
First impressions are that:
1. the exterior looks ok from the front but abit tall from the back
2. The lines are clean
3. Ergonomics is fair
4. equipment package is plenty for a car sub 40K.
But mm the build quality seriously needs alot more attention..
1. the doors needs some considerable force to close especially the boot lid. it’s like slamming two metals together (sounds more like 6 month old iswara).
2. The centre console build quality reminds me of cheap china toys. bright colored, bland and warped plastics.
3. the dials for the air cond is just like plastic snapped out of the mold with the recess not trimmed. Gundam anyone?
well umm as i looked alot closer with a magnifying glass (just a pun), u can really see alot of interesting details on the car that would really put me off. i haven’t driven one yet but i dun think my impression of the car would ever improve anyway even if i did.
another interesting thing is that when i was at the show room, all sutera’s were sold. was it me or everyone else is blind? LOL but no offence, I’m trying to explain at my wavelength.
it’s kinda hard to compare this car with another brand. even if i could in a scale of 1 to 10, i’d give it a 1.
happy motoring
May 9, 2006 @ 1:51 am
how to find NAZA SUTERA service centre??? Got parts or not in sabah?
May 9, 2006 @ 9:54 am
Check http://www.nazacorp.com website. I believe its a good effort to challenge P1/P2 who, until now have had no competition whatsoever. So this is a great way to ultimately benefit Malaysian customers.
May 10, 2006 @ 8:29 pm
well,agreed with Ashmel, it’s cheap plastic,but compare to the Avanza,also cheap plastic,no big deal,all cars now are like that,I’ve tested the Sutera,not bad.I believe all cars are made good provided you maintain it .Malaysians tend to drive ,drive,drive–just pump minyak.I’ve seen a friend who maintaines her car so well and it’s still as good as she bought it ,what car ( it’s Tiara)don’t get shocked.FC for the Sutera is 11cents @ km.
May 12, 2006 @ 2:01 am
[...] The RM33,399,50 car wash is a 52-stage process which begins at dawn with degreasing, four washes with four different buckets and four different sponges, with filtered water at a perfect temperature of 30 degrees celcius. He uses electronic probes to measure paint thickness to micron-level for removing scratches. Polishing is done using rotary polishers. Extremely gentle towels are used to dry the car. It’s just ridiculous. One of his clients is Rod Stewart, who sends his £700,000 Ferrari Enzo to Miracle Detail for car washes. £5,000 sounds fine for a £700,000 car, but RM33,399.50 can almost buy you a Naza Sutera here! But the results are fabulous. Check out Miracle Detail’s photo gallery. [...]
May 13, 2006 @ 3:55 am
[...] The advertisement (click the image on the left for a bigger version of the advertisement clip) says the car is open for booking now, and the price is given as RM6X,XXX, which should put it in the RM60,000 to RM70,000 range, just as mentioned before. Other specifications mentioned are 1.4 liter MPFI engines, 4-speed Automatic with Porsche Tiptronic System, a well-tuned agile chassis, 5-door versality (hatchback), central digital display, dual airbags, anti-lock braking system, and a 3 year / 100,000 km warranty. The advertisement states that ABS is standard on AT models, which seems to indicate that a manual transmission model will be available. It also means anti-lock brakes will not be available on all models, but dual airbags will likely be standard following the trend set by the Naza Sutera. [...]
May 13, 2006 @ 9:37 am
why all malaysian aways give comment and never give support to our car ?u all comment so much,u make the car uselflah.give support and them they can make change .Malaysia boleh!Naza sutera, make an greater effort.
May 16, 2006 @ 10:42 am
dfendy, thanx but I really need to choose now as the interest rate for loan will be increased next month. So, what do u think better? myvi or sutera?
thanx in advance
May 16, 2006 @ 10:43 am
dfendy, thanx but I really need to choose now as the interest rate for loan will be increased next month. So, what do u think better? myvi or sutera? The most important specs are speed ,power, fuel consumption….
thanx in advance
May 16, 2006 @ 4:24 pm
[...] This month is actually a pretty exciting month for the Malaysian automotive industry even though news seems slightly dead for the past week. We have 5 car launches this month. One has already been launch, that’s the Naza Sutera. Two from Toyota, another one from Naza and hopefully Proton will be launching the Proton Satria Replacement Model this month too. Then we will be able to see all the cars in full glory at the end of the month at the KL International Motor Show 2006. [...]
May 18, 2006 @ 2:02 pm
helo
any sutera owner out there? how is the car ?
how long it need to take for delivery leh?
quite interested to know more about this car…
May 24, 2006 @ 8:45 am
I got the car in 2 week times.. the car performance is quite good. Would like to know more on Naza Sutera. Owner of Naza Sutera pls comments
May 24, 2006 @ 1:06 pm
Ni komen aku dapat dari forum lain
Guys.. I already got the car last week. Let me share with u what I felt and foun out about MY car.
1. From the quality of the car, u can see that the main objective of Naza is only to make profit. The car is no quality at all. I made a big mistake judging the car by its cover.
2. The Quality Inspection Department at Naza is terrible. Almost 50% plactic part inside & outside MY car is not fixed properly. * I have to tighten the screw that loose.
3. On my second day I got the car, I park it outside my office. Raining heavily that morning. I came out from the office just to find out that my driver and passenger behind the driver seat is flooding with water. The rubber at the door is no quality at all. Water went inside. I have to send to service centre for fixing. Take 2 days for the fixing because the mechanic have to do inspection to find where the water come from.
4. The plastic cover that cover between the stereng and the dashboard is loose. One big screw felt down from under the stereng when the mechanic turning the stereng left and right to fixed the cover.
5. the black plastic bottle that contain liquid (not sure for what) was not properly fixed into it place.
6. During the second day my car at the service centre, since I have free time that day, I accompany the mechanic doing his job fixing the car. Suddenly the mechanic shouted angrily.. I ask him what happened? Guess what, the hose that connect the fuel pum to the tank is wrongly fixed. What the hell is this NAZA? Are u making LAWAK KOMEDI?!!!
7. The water pum that shoot the water for the wiper is not working. Front and rear the same.
8. My bonnet is not fixed properly. SENGET. Some more difficult to open it. Got this fixed by the Service Centre.
9. The gear leather/plastic cover pin broken. Have to wait for Naza to replace it. Under warranty.
10. The engine will make a loud of noise.. really loud when the speed reach 110 – 120KM/H Depending on you luck. One of the owner that I meet at the service centre claim his car make noise when the speed reach 110KM/H. The sound like when in the airport terminal and in front of u are one aeroplane ready to take off. Lucky for me, the sound only happened to me when my speed reach 120KM/H. Guys.. trust me, the sound is very loud and weird. I own kancil & Honda. Even my kancil also not making that kind of sound even the speed reach 120KM/H.
11. NAZA are making a very stupid and big mistake. Giving a very bad first impression to it’s customer. Guys, my review alone had cause 4 of my colleague canceling the booking. One of them already planned to get the car for his future wife.. straight away switch to ATOS. Ooh.. Yes, almost forgot, how I wish I got videocam during the time the mechanic fixing my car on the second day at the workshop. Because on that particular day, I had become an unofficial mechanic working for the service centre.. Want to know why? Well.. because there were a lots of simple2 faulty and big faulty, I had to help the mechanic to fixed all the small faulty while he doing the big job. Small faulty such as tighten all the loosing screw driver. Not counted the screw that does not got into the hole.
Conclusion? If there is an award for the most low quality and ridiculous car of the year, I guarantee you guys NAZA SUTERA will win the award. Trust me, I am not someone from perodua or proton. I bought the car for my wife birthday present. I bought her kancil 4 years ago. Luckily I still did not sell the kancil yet. After I got this ridiculous Sutera, now only I learn to appreciate the kancil so much. With less problem and good quality, I feel really comfortable with it. Guys.. I don’t want to make u canceling your SUTERA booking. Please, go ahead.. but since there were a lots of problem with the first batch of Sutera.. maybe u want to consider wait for the next batch. The mechanic at the service centre told me that their SA cant make sales anymore because NAZA had stop producing the car for temporary to settle all the mess they had made. All the car that still in the loading bay had been calling back to factory for second round inspection.
guys.. sorry.. i have some more to added.
1. The big screw that hold the tyre is rusty.
2. the front brake disc also rusty. both left and right.
3. if u turn off the engine, dont forget to turn off your radio first. My SA told me to do so when i pickup my car. I dont trust him. On the second day (the day i am driving my car to the workshop to fixed the problem that cause my car flooded with raining water) i forgot to turn off the radio, after 2 hours, when i press the blue alarm button to open my car, it only make sound, but the car is not opening. I tried for about 10 times. still the same. I have to open the car manually. start the engine and let the battery recharged, then only the alarm is functioning back to normal. Told the service centre about this problem, they claim WHERE GOT! When u off the engine everything will turn off. But why my SA and the service centre have different version of story? Well.. the conclusion is, there might be bug with the radio or the wiring. Not sure.. will give more review on this matter next time if problem occur again.
** GUYS.. ALL THE COMMENTS ABOVE IS MADE FOCUSING ON MY CAR. MY COMMENT DOESNT MEAN IT HAPPENED TO ALL THE NAZA SUTERA.. DIFFERENT OWNER WILL HAVE THEIR DIFFERENT PROBLEM.. THAT IS WHAT I FOUND OUT DURING MY DAYS CAMPING AT THE SERVICE CENTRE.. MEET 3-4 SUTERA OWNER.. EACH WITH DIFFERENT PROBLEM.. THIS IS WHAT I CALL MENGARUT!!!
May 24, 2006 @ 3:45 pm
Further comment from the same person…..
i appreciate you concern. Since there were only few problem that left , i will list down the problem that still havent fixed yet.
The Problem Still havent Rectified
1. The gear leather/plastic casing pin that broken.
2. Water Pum for the wiper front and rear.
3. The rusty dics plate front left and right.
4. I am going to ask NAZA to replace all the rusty nut at all the 4 tyre.
5. The plastic that cover the panel between the stereng and dashboard had been fixed. But 2 days ago my wife told me that it loose again.
6. This afternoon call my wife and she told me she detect new problem. Right rear door difficult to close. U have to close it little bit harder than usual.
7. The noise that the engine made. Not sure if this is normal or what. But the noise is really weird. And what make this noise interesting is that it only started exactly when my speed reach 120km/h . It’s like a warning to tell my wife & me to drive slowly .
8. I am not sure if there were anything else… but i hope this will be the last one..
Regarding the service centre, the service is good. Mechanic is knowledgeable. But i am not sure with other service centre.. the one that i went is good. And one of the reason that prevent me from making havoc at NAZA Corporation HQ is their 5 star NAZA Care Service. I call them and told them about this problem. They were so concern and call me about 10 times during that 3 days.. they keep calling me even after my car was already out of the SC. and i remember one male officer keep saying sorry to me. Atleast they managed to cool me down..
I am planning to write an official complaint letter to the Sales Director/General Manager of Naza Corporation asap. I will also send a copy of the letter to Tan Sri Son (I believed one of the top management of Naza Corporation). This matter should be broght forward to them. I wasting my time and effect my emotional. What will u feel if it’s only 2 days u got your new car (somemore it’s supposed to be a birthday gift for my wife) and everything become nightmare. It effect my emotion.
I am also planning to ask NAZA for compensation. RM40 for taxi fare that i had to pay from the SC to my office and from my house to the SC. I am also going to ask Naza to compensate me for my time i had to waste on last Thursday, Friday & Saturday for having to waste my time at the SC. This is something that supposed can be prevent from the beginning. I didnt expect so much problem with new car. Understood if there were 1-2 problem.. but this is more than that!
Lastly, my sincere advice to NAZA.. Please get a good and quality screw.. even that small thing also u cant get it right.. how can u got dream to export the car to oversea.. (*The screw i mention is the one that u can find under the body of the car.. )
June 1, 2006 @ 2:11 pm
China made car… what u expect maa. You pay cheap you get trouble. Close Naza. Their tag name… “Drive Difference”… badge
June 2, 2006 @ 11:21 am
haiyo armada….that statement came from a perodua worker, hes a friend of mine trying to make NAZA look bad! Which is a typical attitude of Malaysians. No offence, but Malaysians tend to hate then support.
Everyone in the car industry should know by now that EVERY MANUFACTURING COMPANY ranges from Mercedes, BMW, VW, Naza, Proton, Perodua to GM, Cadillac etc all first pilot production cars are gonna have problems! Its how they counter measure it. Apparently Naza Corp service dealers are doing a good job on it.
Give it some time, things will improve for the better for everyone!
I drive a new Benz and my friend drives the new Ferrari f430…and guess what, they have problems too! So chill guys…
Theres no 100% problem free cars for the first 1000 pilot production.
June 2, 2006 @ 11:23 pm
NAZA good in selling cars. NOT in BUILDING CARS!! That’s why their service dealer ’seems doing good job’
Making car not like making bicycle. Naza better go back and only sell AP car and this problem happen if Naza has intention dengki to kill our own P1 & P2. If they don’t dengki one, they will stay for only MPV & SUV business.
Waiting for healthy auto industry competition without sutera..
June 5, 2006 @ 8:16 am
I took delivery of the car about 8 days ago and I am having problems starting the car. On average, i need to turn the ignition key 5 times before the engine would come to life. There’s difficulty in engaging the 2nd gear and twice on the road, I could not engage the car and the car was stuck in the middle of the road for a few seconds but enough to terrify you. At times the doors on the left hand side could not open, the fabric on the right hand side on both doors are frayed and the brake discs on 3 brakes are rusty. Water seeps into the rear light indicator. I am bringing the car back today. It’s is really frustrating to get such a car. I had been looking forward to it but i have been having sleepless nights after getting it. I hope my problems get fixed and that i don’t get flimsy excuses from them like what i have been getting from the salesgirl who told me i can only have these problems sorted out when i bring my car in for the 1st service (by which time i think they will claim it’s due to wear and tear…)
June 5, 2006 @ 11:18 pm
Dennis
really on just 8 days given such problem? anyway the car looks terrible la when saw on the road especially on its back, for me savvy looks better…
just wondering, how come when i saw at the showroom it looks nice? when it comes on the road, so teribble ugly?? well that RM36K for….
June 5, 2006 @ 11:25 pm
elaney said,
May 16, 2006 @ 10:43 am
dfendy, thanx but I really need to choose now as the interest rate for loan will be increased next month. So, what do u think better? myvi or sutera? The most important specs are speed ,power, fuel consumption….
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that kind of spec ka sis? take kelisa la… or want two wheels take EX5 la, really have ur 3 specs… how come fuel consumption last one? should be 1st
June 5, 2006 @ 11:43 pm
yes… almost new batch having such problem, what we can expect? also still a promotion price, low price low quality la….
remember previous years that a first batch gen 2 burning after couple of days driving? well… if u can spend more money, try to get a continential car la for peace of mine, but not all our local car batch having much problem
i own a ford laser KH series, it was 13 years car, still wonderful to ride
June 6, 2006 @ 10:09 am
What’s going on with my NAZA Sutera!!!
My engine must be replace a new one!!! My engine have a strong knocking sounds like bullshit damaged and have a towed at Seremban!!! I was seen and talked with more than 5 Naza Sutera’s buyers at Seremban’s Naza Service Centre and they have failed their engines or something like not properly functioning or problems with their engines, steerings, airconditionings, break systems, radiator systems, cd mp3 players, body finishing fixs interior and exterior, wiring systems, electronic systems, warning system at display screen, jacking at spedd 60km/h, engine suddently breakdown, suddently over heating etc. WHAT HAPPEN!!! with this car???
You can contact me at 019-6226000 or email me at zaidi_mdj@yahoo.com.my. I will post you some photos to show you how they towing my car at Sunday 4th June 2006 LIKE A BULL SHIT CAR ON THE ROAD!!! after I’ve taken 3 time for complained at Naza Service Centre!!!
Please support me my friends!!! Thank you very much…
June 7, 2006 @ 12:00 am
zaidey lobo said,
June 6, 2006 @ 10:09 am
What’s going on with my NAZA Sutera!!!
………………………..
Mr Lobo.. you beli kereta ‘Hafei Lobo’ from China la…
Its a pity to you, to have this no frill China car selling by the co which really dengki to kill others just to make money.
Next time don’t buy the ‘pakai buang’ product from China. Ex if you buy aircond China brand, if rosak, change brand new. That’s the concept.
Recommendation.. buy Savvy since just about the same price but no big issues. If Myvi okay but performance down sikit and more money on fuel.
Write in newspaper about yr sutera as lesson learned to others.
June 7, 2006 @ 1:21 pm
Yes, it’s only 8 days and i have that problem but problem started earlier, just that i did not bring the car back earlier.
The problem is already fixed - it was due to some electrical fault but now my aircond is not working bec i think they took out some relay or fuse and did not fix it back. I think the service centre is also not professional as they did not even put a mat over my car when they were repairing it and the mechanics were throwing their tools onto the car. Uurgh!! If you were there, your stomach will churn.
Shouldn’t the sales outlet check the car before they deliver? So how could cars with bad trimmings, aircond outlets going back into the car, rusty brake discs, air cond not working, engine cannot start, etc etc. get fixed onto BRAND NEW cars??
At the service centre there were several cars having problems and one had all its seats removed to test its electrical wiring and they still could not rectify the problem.
Carlover, you are right - even Ferrari and other well known brands have such problems but what is their defect percentage? And Ichiban, the engine is China made but assembly is done in Malaysia and most of these problems is not due to the engine.
I am surprised that one gets problems like air cond piping being channelled into the car instead of outside, wipers fixed flimsily which flew off when powered on and exhaust coming out when on the road with this new car which is making its debut and being exported overseas. Yes, i have gone round and intereviewed these car owners. And on the road yesterday i saw one being towed….
If NAZA wants to serve overseas customers they better think twice. They will not be as complacent as us Malaysians.
Only good news is Naza is replacing those doors where the fabric has frayed and rear light indicators where water is seeping in. The rusty brake discs will not be replaced (but i hv seen brand new cars of other brands having the same problem).
I have yet to test all the other parts of the car but i do not want to sound so pessimistic. After all i have paid for this and it will stay with me for some time. Not everyone can afford a Honda or Toyota. (My 2nd hand honda civic is 25 years
olld and is still running good…)
June 12, 2006 @ 12:02 pm
To the Naza Sutera owner out there!
Please change the car electrical relay to that of those used in BMW/Volvo cars. The original relay is a defective unit. Luckily i changed mine faster if not would have spoil its engine due to radiator fan not working. My radiator second water tank was like a boiling kettle. Scare de hell out of me. Even more surprising is there is no QC in Naza. No wonder they come out with this 3 years warranty.
June 12, 2006 @ 12:09 pm
Forgot to mention that the relay is under waranty. So do stop by at NS Service centre to change it. Many cases already.
June 12, 2006 @ 6:33 pm
Armada, did you manage to get all your problems seen to? No more complaints?
Do you think changing the relay to what you suggested will solve my problem? I am unknowledgeable where car mechanics are concerned and would appreciate your answer.
My car is already a TKO now. Sent it in on Saturday bec the air cond was not working, then yesterday it started but with a jerk and today the engine is dead. Had it towed to the service centre. I am being told it’s an electrical problem but it seems like petrol is not reaching the engine and i have to press hard on the accelerator before the car gets moving (before the engine died). This was after the service centre adjusted my gear as there was difficulty engaging it.
If i am rich i will send my car to that Nasimuddin and ask him to drive it for 1 month with petrol paid by me. Then he can see how bad it is being late for work and having to run all the way there as there is no bus service around my area and worrying abt the car not knowing when it will break down. I have lost all confidence in the car and i would like to seek a refund or replacement which i am being told is fighting a losing battle as the law is in favour of the car dealers and manufacturers. I am also about to lose my job as i am thinking too much abt my car problems instead of working.
Well, i will wait a few more days as my car is in the workshop now. But if nothing is done or can be done it’s only right that Naza should refund my money or i will go to the press or make a legal claim and i will gather all the sore customers who have faced more or less the same problems as me. Zaidi, how’s your car now?
June 13, 2006 @ 9:33 am
Dear Dennis,
I really sympathise for you of all the unnecessary predicament u are facing right now as we all understand that a new car should have trouble free for at least 2 years but sadly to note that this is not happening for Sutera car. I myself also did not know much about this electrical thing until it happen to me and was later made known of this relay thing by a knowledgeable mechanic at the SC.
At first I thought there is a leakage at my 2nd water tank as after a few days it would easily dried up. So get it fixed during my 1st service. Luckily that day after travelling for a while I stop briefly to rest and open up the engine bonnet to see if everything is ok. That is when I saw this ‘boiling kettle’ effect at my 2nd water tank.Instantly I know that the fan radiator was not working and without wasting time I rushed to their SC and got to replace my electrical relay that is similarly found in BMW/Volvo cars.
So if any of NAZA ppl is reading this please take immediate action to solve all this complaints abt Sutera cars. Please repay their trust of buying NAZA cars as without us as your customers you would not have become to what you are today.
Dennis, please go ahead to do whatever means you have as a customer and highlight it to the proper and popular channels such as the Consumer Trade Affairs etc if nothing positive coming out to this mind torturing ordeal of yours.
June 16, 2006 @ 4:02 pm
This i got from other forum…happy reading
I have just completed 1,001kms on my Sutera, the mileage when I arrived at the service centre in Bandar Puteri Puchong.
There were a few complaints that I voiced out to them, which I discovered after my first entry.
1. The winshield washers were not working
This was replaced without question, after discovering the motor went kaput.
2. Water in rear lamp clusters
Also replaced, and was told this was a common occurence, and the vendor has made changes to mouldings.
3. Clanking sound from under the engine when cornering on Malaysia’s pot-hole riddled roads
Ah Hong told me this could be a power steering column issue, and they have communicated to Naza Corp on this. It will be addressed once they get a response.
The engine has run more since then, and has become less noisy following the service.
My surprise factor on the Sutera is the consumption.
The capacity of the is 40 litres, which is about RM77.00. Upon buying the car, my second tankful was RM76, and it took me 575kms to finish that! I was of course on the 90km/h rule, which keeps my RPM a 3,000.
As I noted in my first entry, I am a sedate driver. My commute to work takes me from Bukit Jelutong Shah Alam through Glenmarie, Subang Jaya, Sunway toll before I join Lebuhraya Bukit Jalil. SO it’s not exactly straight road all the way.
My aircond temperature is usually at the 3/4 mark, while i shift into 5th gear quite early on.
I am expecting more from this petrol saver as the engine runs-in, which will also mean I can push it to 110km/h after i reach 2,500kms.
On the booming sound reported earlier, I noticed it a couple of times when I forgot I was driving a manual, but otherwise the engine is ok.
If you’ve beenin a Kancil 660, you might be familiar with the NVH of this car; it is similar.
I am looking forward to many more years of happy motoring with the KAMA-Sutera as a friend calls it…
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June 16, 2006 @ 9:20 pm
Hi Armada,
Tks for your concern and appreciate the advice you are posting. My car’s back from the service centre already. They traced the fault to a loose electical connection and some wiring problems (My whole car was dismantled). The engine’s running fine now and i’m looking forward to driving it this weekend. The service supervisor told me he had a number of complaints about the brakes being soft and Naza’s looking into the problem. Well, after what everyone who has complaints has gone through, things can only get better. And it would be great if Naza listens to everybody’s problems and suggestions and automatically replaces all those unreliable parts without demand from us.
I am surprised that guy can go 575 km for RM76 only. So far i hv managed 20 sen per km for town driving.
BTW, do you naza sutera owners know that tow service is free if your car breaks down during the warranty period? And if you are a cash buyer, make sure your dealer does not charge you RM50 being HP ownership claim fees.
Happy driving!
June 17, 2006 @ 7:07 pm
I pumped about 77 ringgit of gas into the almost empty tank immediately after collecting the car three weeks ago. So far, it has traveled about 520 kilometers. It can probably go another 50 to 100 kilometers before the tank is empty again. The rpm has been kept below 2000, except on highway where it might reach 3000. Because of the 2000, the drivers behind me at a traffic light were probably very frustrated.
June 19, 2006 @ 12:11 pm
hope 2 hear more on positive things…
June 19, 2006 @ 1:21 pm
Hi Dennis,
We are glad to hear from you again and thanks for the invaluable info you spread which can bring benefit to the Sutera owner out there. I must say that the Sutera is not a petrol guzzler due to the fact it is a fuel injection and all alloy engine. So its not carrying heavy load which contribute to these fuel economy factor. That other guy was on 90km/h mostly that he manages to achieve that figure. True to what you said if NAZA is on track rectifying on every aspect of ppl complaints then only ppl have full confidence driving their brand. Happy motoring!