A few members of the Malaysian media got to drive the Kia Koup today. Yes, the production model that was just unveiled less than a month ago – I believe our congregation is the first in the world to get to try Kia’s latest 2-door coupe out.
I believe the Kia Forte marks a significant milestone in the history of Kia models. For the first time (at least for me) in a long time a Kia model looks bloody good enough for a thought to spark in my head that it would be nice to see one parked in my garage, something appealing for me to look at when I step out of the house every morning, and not just something that I tell myself I bought because it was merely cheaper.
The Koup in particular is also Kia’s first two-door coupe, while its Korean sibling Hyundai has gone down that road many times even a long time ago with the Scoupe.
The Forte and Forte Koup’s design and details are pleasant to look at, without anything garish or shocking, with the only thing that stands out being the rather aggressive front bumpers. In fact at first glance the Forte Koup looks pretty much like just a 2-door Forte but the Koup actually only shares the engine bay hood with the Forte, with every other panel unique, for example the front fenders may look the same but the Koup’s are actually more aggressive and seem to bulge out more to cover the front wheels.
In the US, it goes head to head against the Honda Civic Coupe (which it looks kinda similiar to), the Scion tC, the Chevy Cobalt Coupe and the aging Ford Focus Coupe. The chassis uses MacPherson struts at the front and a torsion beam at the back.
We had two units of the Kia Forte Koup to try out, both automatic models, one with a 2.0 litre engine and the other with a 2.4 litre engine. The 2.0 litre engine produces 156 horsepower and 195Nm of torque mated to a 4-speed auto transmission while the 2.4 litre model puts out 173 horses and 227Nm of torque, mated to a 5-speed auto. Both models had pre-production interior panels without any texture but the dash looked finished.
The Kia Forte Koup has a decent seating position with the driver’s chair able to go far back enough for a comfortable driving position for me, however with my seat pushed far back rear legroom was compromised, but that was better when a shorter Korean engineer took the driver’s helm with me sitting at the back. The steering has both rake and reach adjustability which means I was able to adjust the steering wheel to be close enough to me for an optimum driving position, which means the base of my hand was able to rest on the top of the steering wheel.
And off we go. Our test drive was not on public road but in Kia’s Namyang R&D center, where there was a very long and wide multi-lane straight where we could drive down, do some low and high speed lane change maneuvers, and U turn at the end in whatever fashion you’d like, whether a regular smooth turn or a crazy one if you can make yourself do so in front of the Kia Motors engineer in the car.
First up was the 2.0 litre. It is from the Theta II engine family but with CVVT only on the intake, unlike the new Optima facelift’s dual CVVT on the intake and exhaust. 156 horses felt quite spritely, which was expected really as it felt decent in the Optima so it should do better in the lighter Forte, and do better it did. Gearshifts are smooth and response to kickdown was quick and satisfactory, and so was the manual shifting with the gear lever. There is no Sport or S mode on the gearbox, you can either go into D or into manual mode. Push forward for upshift and pull back for downshift – I would have preferred it the other way around really as it feels more natural.
The 2.4 litre was pretty powerful though like the 2.0 it didn’t sound particularly exciting, which is something every inline-4 engine faces. In stock form it just buzzes all the way to the redline without any rumble or grunt like a V6 or V8, and not even silky smooth like an inline-6. 173 horses and 227Nm of torque is nearly as much as the MINI Cooper S actually, so flooring it from gear 1 on the automatic did cause some protest from the tyres, though the engine is either 1) not powerful enough to cause any kind of torque steer or 2) Kia managed to sort out the driveshaft length and front suspension right.
Our cars were equipped with Kia’s MDPS or Motor-Driven Power Steering. This is an EPS system much like in the Civic, which uses an electric motor to drive the steering instead of it being directly hydraulically driven. This allows variable steering assistance – heavy at high speeds but lighter at low speeds to assist with parking. But I found that Kia hasn’t really got the speed, angle and assistance levels mapped out perfectly yet – it does not feel very smooth and natural and sometimes it switches from heavy to light when you don’t feel like it should.
At low speeds, some maneuvers that did not require much of steering angle still resulted in a heavy steering – it’s only when you turn more that assistance increases. But other than that it felt like a proper hydraulic system with nicely weighted self-centering and etc, which is okay for a first time attempt at EPS but a second generation improved version should be worked on immediately! We may not get the EPS at all of course, because Kia engineers say a traditional hydraulic power steering is also an option with the car so it depends what the Malaysian distributor orders.
The Forte Koup has a slightly firmer suspension than the Forte sedan, with reduced ride height too. A sharp turn produced in no awkward reaction from the chassis, there was some body roll in protest to the sudden maneuver but there was no awkward bouncyness or etc so that’s decent.
So yeah, it’s quite a nice 2-door coupe actually and from what I hear our local Kia distributors are looking into bringing both the Forte sedan and Forte Koup in, with 1.6 from the sedan and 2.0 for the coupe. I reckon the 2-door coupe as a CBU unit could be priced at around the Honda Civic or Hyundai Coupe’s level, matching the two cars as a 2.0 litre automatic C-segment vehicle but I think Naza Kia would have to load up the car with nice specs such as a sunroof to get around the badge snobbery.
Rear legroom especially the seat behind the driver’s seat varies depending on how far the driver’s seat is pushed back, but headroom is sufficient for someone 183cm tall like me, as there was still a 2 to 3 finger gap or so between my head and the ceiling, so its perfectly capable of being a 4 or 5 seater, though 5 may be abit of a squeeze especially since the rear floor is not flat.
Other things nice to have but absent on the Koup are a slightly thicker steering wheel rim for a nicer grip and paddle shifts for the automatic.
I can’t wait to get the Koup down on some real roads to see how it really drives like because it looks good (looks are subjective of course, how many of you agree with me?) but as a coupe that looks like it has some pretty sporty intentions, how fun the drive is will be very important to maybe half the customer base out there, with the other half likely to buy it purely based on its looks. From initial findings it definitely drives better than the rather softly setup Hyundai Elantra which it shares a chassis and alot of parts with, except the engine where the Kia uses a newer, better and more modern family.
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Its a great looking car…!! Great torque and power too!!
Nice one…
One of the best Kia's design.
I dig this. It'll be a hit i tell ya.
Its so hot!!!
Look out , here comes the KIA
The headlamp is damn alike to Honda Civic.. however, good job KIA.
You changed my perception on you.
Kia's really come of age… impressed.
Wow!!! Wat a nice looking cars from Kia, Good job!!!
Paul Tan KIA aside ,
I think all of us Malaysian's especially me are proud of you. Being called to review a car by KIA in their very own R & D centre really says a lot. Bravo Paul Tan ,Bravo.
A real inspiration to every one back home.
:)
[quote comment="234611"]Paul Tan KIA aside ,
I think all of us Malaysian's especially me are proud of you. Being called to review a car by KIA in their very own R & D centre really says a lot. Bravo Paul Tan ,Bravo.
A real inspiration to every one back home.
:)[/quote]
Hear hear… agree.
Lucky Paul…
not fair aa..i also pay tax… :P
its nice, has a very modern look.
I like the look, but I'll stick with Mazda 3 as to replace my old Civic EG.
1st.~!!
Wow..the koreans are getting better in term of car design.. Nice~~!!!
nice one… faster come in malaysia…
i saw a kia SUV there…can't believe the speed of NAZA…
and I 'm the first !
is kia a good car? in terms of its engine?
am curious..
its like the civic's combined with lancer's to come out with this design. just my opinion…
its a nice car, cant wait for it to be lauched later this year. then we get to see what niceties NAZA will load it with, and the price.
the new KIA/Hyundai engine is what we call as GEMA engine.. It is a shared by GM & Mitsubishi also.. So the new Kia Rondo 2.0 also using it the same engine as the Mitsubishi 2.0 Mivec engine. The different is only the tuning or different wiring system… So never tot Korean engine are bullshit, now they are on par with Japanese & even US!
Hmm… nice colour… looks like iridescent white :)
nice !!
get ready for those who will comment about the 4-speed auto as what happened to the pug 308 when it was launched in m'sia the other day.
[quote comment="234630"]the new KIA/Hyundai engine is what we call as GEMA engine.. It is a shared by GM & Mitsubishi also.. So the new Kia Rondo 2.0 also using it the same engine as the Mitsubishi 2.0 Mivec engine. The different is only the tuning or different wiring system… So never tot Korean engine are bullshit, now they are on par with Japanese & even US![/quote]
I though there's GEMA and Theta engine. Both different engine, and I think both collaborate with different companies as well… Not too sure though as I can't recall well already
as paul said . alot of buyers will buy this car purely based on looks….the description of the steering bahavior in the review above is very iritating , the kia optima is the same , the steering feels very rubbery , and the weighting is all over the place….
anyway , again , cant escape the fact that ir looks nice and sporty !
good design by koreans or I should say americans.
I have liken by the design of Kia nowadays recently and already disgusted with Honda design where I think Honda has come to a limit of imagination when designing their car that they have become Kia in the past and Kia has become Honda.
but what I am more interested to see now is the Chinese… eventho their copycat fever still high (no swine flu tho), I say they have a good point when designing or copying a car where they really copy the parts that people really like and just change maybe the angle to another 1 degree.
People should watch out for the Chinese actually, they don't care combustion engine anyhow, they really focus on electric engine.
For some reason, I now reading some of Paul's references site for China car.. heheh.. and enjoying it.. thanks Paul for the pointer.. :D
Paul any interior shots?
These are pre-production car. They could still make lot of minor adjustment to the steering wheel etc. Wait for the final production car first b4 we can make our judgement. Nevertheless, KIA Forte Koup look much better than the current Civic Coupe.
I have seem the KIA Forte Sedan, it's really sporty. Civic now have a real competition.
[quote comment="234644"][quote comment="234622"]Dari depan mula-mula ingat ke, Satria Neo CPS.[/quote]
Have both your eyes check pls. It don't in any light, look like a Satria. Satria Neo CPS is not even 10% as good in the look dept.. Satria Neo are for short/small build driver. Satria Neo design look unfinished. The rear light design is not rubbish. This Kia Forte Koup is a stunner especially from the front. The rear is 1000 times better looking than the current Civic sedan.[/quote]
you dont like satria neo is your problem..but a lot of malaysian luvv neo including me..beauty is subjective..its just like your gf/wife, that no one in the world see that your gf/wife is pretty except u..
wow..superb design..but dunno the quality how..if quality nice then i will consider to buy one…
Why i cant RSS feed from paultan? Before this can. anyone with similar prob?
nice design kia's car
Usually when a car maker makes a coup and sedan version, the coup has more striking lines and slightly different design right? Come to malaysian market, they will think why buy 2-door when the 4-door looks the same.
superman_stephen wrote:
Paul Tan KIA aside ,
I think all of us Malaysian’s especially me are proud of you. Being called to review a car by KIA in their very own R & D centre really says a lot. Bravo Paul Tan ,Bravo.
A real inspiration to every one back home.
Totally agree. Like one of the special reviewers/vvip reviewers/top 10 wanted list reviewers…or whatever u call it.
Both the Forte looks astonishingly cool. Imho, the front bumper somewhat reminds me of the current Mitsubishi Evo.
The Namyang R & D shud be better than our Tg. Malim's P1.
Out of topic, which model will the Naza bring in first? The Forte or the Soul? CBT NST stated that Naza might price the Soul abt RM100k+ O.O
Hope these coming kia models are CBU and not the low quality CKD assembled Naza.
Shudnt let Naza be M'sia's only Kia distributor. Look at Kiasuland's Kia, distributor by Cycle & Carriage (1 of Our Merc's distributors).
Congrats again Paul, for ur visit to The Soul of Asia!
[quote comment="234648"][quote comment="234644"][quote comment="234622"]Dari depan mula-mula ingat ke, Satria Neo CPS.[/quote]
Have both your eyes check pls. It don't in any light, look like a Satria. Satria Neo CPS is not even 10% as good in the look dept.. Satria Neo are for short/small build driver. Satria Neo design look unfinished. The rear light design is not rubbish. This Kia Forte Koup is a stunner especially from the front. The rear is 1000 times better looking than the current Civic sedan.[/quote]
you dont like satria neo is your problem..but a lot of malaysian luvv neo including me..beauty is subjective..its just like your gf/wife, that no one in the world see that your gf/wife is pretty except u..[/quote]
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Alansmith just "typical 3rd world country's mind" who stay in malaysia, whatever proton do, seems not good for him. Wake Up Alan, some Proton designer win International Award, you know about that.. Oh no, you still 'katak bawah tempurung'.
this KIA not so good, this design look similar to Honda (Front) and Mitsubishi (Rear).. nothing new for this car..
But, Paul very lucky to test drive this new brand car..
Engine is quiet ok, powerful, but no Hybrid version means it is not using Hi-technology…
Cheese!!
Will be the next Naza Spectra Forte. Around RM70k-Rm80k. Walauweh! 2.0l version. At least the Korean give us a different angle of perspective to them with this model.
[quote comment="234630"]the new KIA/Hyundai engine is what we call as GEMA engine.. It is a shared by GM & Mitsubishi also.. So the new Kia Rondo 2.0 also using it the same engine as the Mitsubishi 2.0 Mivec engine. The different is only the tuning or different wiring system… So never tot Korean engine are bullshit, now they are on par with Japanese & even US![/quote]
gema stands for "global engine manufacturing alliance". It consists of Hyundai, Chrysler and Mitsubishi. KIA itself as a company does not do any engine work, but uses engines from the GEMA group as Hyundai owns KIA. the base engine was supplied by hyundai which is the theta. but the technology that powers these engines are contributed from this alliance so its not 100% korean. its not as simple as a wiring harness change or tuning. The idea of course, is a cost cutting measure and everyone pools their resources.
but the fact that koreans can make engines is no secret actually.. hyundai as a car company was founded in the late 60's and hyundai as an engineering company was founded in the late 40's. in comparison with malaysia, up till the 80's was predominantly agricultural, with no background in engineering or heavy industry.
As what I suspected… Other make can use torsion beam axel at the rear without being bashed for being ancient…
forgot to put this together in above post:
thanks for the hi-res photos, paul. they make great wallpapers! :)
no multilink rear suspension?
after this people might make up it; Front=Civic Type R, Rear=Mitsu e10…then the emblem HONBISHI….wah…nice…
[quote comment="234689"]As what I suspected… Other make can use torsion beam axel at the rear without being bashed for being ancient…[/quote]
Bro, me too. Why nobody bash? Let me do it then. Torsion beam, pfffth! And don't la price it like Tiburon, tak mampu wei. But a decent babe magnet no less. Take the front bumper from the Koup and attach it to the Forte. Repaint the sedan with Chip Foose's inspired lines. That'd be real nice. Finally the Americans created something decent.
There's another Southeast Asian carmaker that should be considering for a coupe version of their nice little 5 door sedan. Cepat ar guess..
Paul, why no pics of dem Korean babes. I know you hooked up with a few, bro…
this coupe also used torsion beam. No harm, handling will same as normal since they have adjust to meet the safety.
Oh, IMHO for a coupe, the roofline should be much lower for that aggresive look. This car is waay too tall.
This KIA will give Toyota & Honda a good run for their money on their executive saloon. If KIA spare part price can be lower, i may consider to opt for KIA instead of Japanese brand. Let's hope this car won't be branded as another CKD Naza Kia saloon.
Looks like a Lancer-Civic type DNA look in the front.
[quote comment="234698"][quote comment="234689"]…
There's another Southeast Asian carmaker that should be considering for a coupe version of their nice little 5 door sedan. Cepat ar guess..
…[/quote]
proton saga coupe?
proton savvy coupe?
kia forte..
exterior looks ok, mix&match from civic&lancer.
interior overall looks ok, steering looks weird, dashboard looks messy.
iridiscent white koup is more stunning! imo la ;)
pembetulan
[quote comment="234698"]
There's another Southeast Asian carmaker that should be considering for a coupe version of their nice little 5 door sedan. Cepat ar guess..
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proton saga coupe?
proton savvy coupe?
kia forte..
exterior looks ok, mix&match from civic&lancer.
interior overall looks ok, steering looks weird, dashboard looks messy.
iridiscent white koup is more stunning! imo la ;)
I'll have to be a Naza if you wan't it cheap.
Gen.2 coupe la.. Theophilus, how bout it?
gen3 coupe?
persona coupe?
satia sedan coupe?
juara sedan coupe?
exora sedan coupe?
wow, engine and good looking on par with civic evo.
That is a result of years of real hard working and focus in competitive market in the world. Most important, the Korean is proud of their product to challenge the world.
[quote comment="234640"]good design by koreans or I should say americans.
I have liken by the design of Kia nowadays recently and already disgusted with Honda design where I think Honda has come to a limit of imagination when designing their car that they have become Kia in the past and Kia has become Honda.[/quote]
peter schreyer the new kia design director is not an american… he's from german and used to work for audi… check your facts before you post please…
i like both honda and kia and right now i think its true kia is catching up in terms of design… but i think most of honda's designs are still better than kia… remember that honda has had many gorgeous-looking cars over the years, when kia was still struggling to get it right…
whatever it is, this new forte looks super sweet… so, congratulations kia!
hopefully kia's design patent is strong enough to cover any copycat attempts by some china car manufacturers….
this is REAL achievement for a such young company that has already attained GLOBAL car manufacturer status. Syabas to KIA ! Proud of you guys there in Korea and worldwide offices.
Dun need to boast, dun need to tease around. What KIA does, shows to the WORLD what they have in hands. The world around are buying KIA and Hyundai. Cool
Look at their design and technology. Who can deny their flame ? This is what we call R&D !
[quote comment="234730"]this is REAL achievement for a such young company that has already attained GLOBAL car manufacturer status. Syabas to KIA ! Proud of you guys there in Korea and worldwide offices.[/quote]
ermm.. KIA is actually not a young company. they were founded as a company since the 1940's.
they ran into trouble in the late 90's, and ended up bankrupt, paving the way for hyundai (not a young company either) to buy them up.
their success today is definitely thanks to hyundai.. as i mentioned in my post, the engine is from the GEMA alliance, of which hyundai is a member, with chrysler and mitsu.
Car looks really nice there.
Hire some top designers with right attitude from the management, any company can get it right. Acceptance by public still depend on the geographic preferences.
Hi Azlano and P1 designers, KIA tell you how to design good looking car. Please take a lesson and don't penned any design that only satifisfies yourselves. (Regret with Satria Neo->penned by Azlano) I'm still hoping for Golf-size Satria.
nice!!!!!!!!!!!hands0me look……
I don't care if the Koup looks like Honda ke, Mitsu ke, if the price is right, I'll buy one!!! 'Price is right' I mean below 100K lah, otherwise buy something else lah! Sorry Kia, but I'm still skeptical about Korean cars
Wahh…love to see if Proton can design a car like this…
love to see if future Savvy is same par with Grande Punto
Mr Azlan Othman, gud luck for the future Waja..(cabaran kpd azlano)hehe
Yes, KIA fall and learnt and see where they are now and their achievements. It is miles apart in comparison.
GEMA – Theta 1 family = Intake CVVT
Theta 2 family = Intake & Exhaust CVVT – Dual CVVT + Variable Intake Manifold
New Naza Hyundai Kia Forte? Lets wait & see what they plonk on our Msian market first..we prob. will get a lower spec 1.6-1.8L?
[quote comment="234740"]Hi Azlano and P1 designers, KIA tell you how to design good looking car. Please take a lesson and don't penned any design that only satifisfies yourselves. (Regret with Satria Neo->penned by Azlano) I'm still hoping for Golf-size Satria.[/quote]
yekeleh mamat ni..macam bagus sgt je design kereta..Azlano and P1 designers do not need KIA to tell them how to design good looking cars..they've been there all these while..try to get a pen and sketch yourself a car..see if you can draw the tyres round properly..i bet i will look like an egg..
change your attitude man..learn to respect other people's hardwork..shiisshh..
[quote comment="234751"]GEMA – Theta 1 family = Intake CVVT
Theta 2 family = Intake & Exhaust CVVT – Dual CVVT + Variable Intake Manifold[/quote]
This is great achievement from them. Bravo good effort. Keep up the good work.
[quote comment="234727"][quote comment="234640"]good design by koreans or I should say americans.
I have liken by the design of Kia nowadays recently and already disgusted with Honda design where I think Honda has come to a limit of imagination when designing their car that they have become Kia in the past and Kia has become Honda.[/quote]
peter schreyer the new kia design director is not an american… he's from german and used to work for audi… check your facts before you post please…
i like both honda and kia and right now i think its true kia is catching up in terms of design… but i think most of honda's designs are still better than kia… remember that honda has had many gorgeous-looking cars over the years, when kia was still struggling to get it right…
whatever it is, this new forte looks super sweet… so, congratulations kia!
hopefully kia's design patent is strong enough to cover any copycat attempts by some china car manufacturers….[/quote]
This car is designed by KIA design center USA, right. The whole team consists of a German guy and a bunch of Americans, right? Pls correct me if I'm wrong.
While we may never see the Koup here (perhaps short of some CBU units) its highly likely that the Forte Sedan will come in as the Spectra replacement.
Naza hasn't had a proper C segment sedan other than the Spectra/Sephia, which is some 12 years old now.
I certainly look forward to the new Koreans, they have definately up'ed the bar for Far eastern car manufacturers.
And as for the torsion beam rear suspension as good as a multilink/double wishbone independent rear units, hell no. thats just marketing speak, throw both on to the race track and you'd see the difference. Perhaps they were comparing it to some badly tuned multilink/DblWB
The thing is, its not entirely untrue either, it is just as good (for regular drivers….ie that don't push way past 100%) as the – insert independent rear -. They just conviniently left out some words.
once it arrives in malaysia,
say bye bye to civic, city corolla and vios… and persona
[quote comment="234755"][quote comment="234740"]Hi Azlano and P1 designers, KIA tell you how to design good looking car. Please take a lesson and don't penned any design that only satifisfies yourselves. (Regret with Satria Neo->penned by Azlano) I'm still hoping for Golf-size Satria.[/quote]
yekeleh mamat ni..macam bagus sgt je design kereta..Azlano and P1 designers do not need KIA to tell them how to design good looking cars..they've been there all these while..try to get a pen and sketch yourself a car..see if you can draw the tyres round properly..i bet i will look like an egg..
change your attitude man..learn to respect other people's hardwork..shiisshh..[/quote]
Your misunderstood my comment. I said that Azlano and the gang need to improve the P1 design at least meet global standard. Take Golf and Neo comparison for instance. Is it the Golf design so complex so curvy that need super designer to design it? For me Golf design doesn't resemble it's price. Just nice with ample room and respectable ergonomic. Tell me how difficult to operate CATIA to achieve Golf design? The Neo received good comment for it's Lotus aided chassis but very poor in ergonomic and room by Mat Saleh. Of course mat saleh is not ultimate indicator but it shows 'syok sendiri' attitude of P1 engineers!!
You don't talk crap if don't know fact. I believe you tried many times to sketch round tyres but ended like egg. Ouwh so sad.
[quote comment="234749"]Yes, KIA fall and learnt and see where they are now and their achievements. It is miles apart in comparison.[/quote]
miles apart in comparison with whom? what are you trying to say?
[quote comment="234767"][quote comment="234749"]Yes, KIA fall and learnt and see where they are now and their achievements. It is miles apart in comparison.[/quote]
miles apart in comparison with whom? what are you trying to say?[/quote]
In comparison with good looking makes. You know it why argue?
"By establishing the first Kia-exclusive US design centre, we can take advantage of the tremendous design talent and inspiration provided by the Southern California car culture in a functional environment set up to maximize our designers' abilities and creativity," said Tom Kearns, Kia Motors US chief designer. "KDCA will produce stylish new vehicles that will impact the new design direction for Kia Motors worldwide."
dude, I hope that proton engineers dont have the same mentality as u!
"hey've been there all these while." Are you implying that they have been designing cars which have worldwide appeal? I don't which planet you are living on, but proton is not a world class manufacturer! And don't get me started on Perodua, they are basically a car assembler!
Name me one car which Proton has made and is doing well overseas? (not local, but overseas!)
Also how can u ask the guy to design a car!!! Of course he can't, he is not a trained professional!
[quote comment="234755"][quote comment="234740"]Hi Azlano and P1 designers, KIA tell you how to design good looking car. Please take a lesson and don't penned any design that only satifisfies yourselves. (Regret with Satria Neo->penned by Azlano) I'm still hoping for Golf-size Satria.[/quote]
yekeleh mamat ni..macam bagus sgt je design kereta..Azlano and P1 designers do not need KIA to tell them how to design good looking cars..they've been there all these while..try to get a pen and sketch yourself a car..see if you can draw the tyres round properly..i bet i will look like an egg..
change your attitude man..learn to respect other people's hardwork..shiisshh..[/quote]
[quote comment="234775"][quote comment="234767"][quote comment="234749"]Yes, KIA fall and learnt and see where they are now and their achievements. It is miles apart in comparison.[/quote]
miles apart in comparison with whom? what are you trying to say?[/quote]
In comparison with good looking makes. You know it why argue?[/quote]
My Hyundai Elantra cbu 1991 model 1.6L, its built quality is still far better than our local car manufacturer until today in comparison. Sorry mate, the truth hurts, right ? I know, you dun have to say yes. It is ok. Way to go, mate. When you can sell like KIA or HYUNDAI worldwide, you come talking to me. Can ? Meanwhile, enjoy yourself here looking at ppl's achievement, what they offer to the WORLD. And, ppl are buying their products, winning awards after awards internationally. Heard of RED DOT AWARD ?
Bad stitching job..P1 can do better..
[quote comment="234756"][quote comment="234751"]GEMA – Theta 1 family = Intake CVVT
Theta 2 family = Intake & Exhaust CVVT – Dual CVVT + Variable Intake Manifold[/quote]
This is great achievement from them. Bravo good effort. Keep up the good work.[/quote]
its pretty clear to everyone that you love and are very proud of the korean manufacturers achievements, and I do agree with you.. they have come a long way since then. japan used to be the butt of everyones jokes in the 70s.. the koreans were bashed badly in the 80-90's (now its the chinese..).
but GEMA is not entirely korean. please check your facts. the base engines are from hyundai though. but the initiative is 3 prong, including chrysler and mitsu. its an alliance, in which all 3 have their part to play in it.
and you need to get your perspective right on kia. they didnt fall and learnt their lesson.. they fell, someone bought them, and now someone else calls the shots.. they dont get a chance to learn any lesson.
[quote comment="234733"]Look at their design and technology. Who can deny their flame ? This is what we call R&D ![/quote]
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You mean Receive & Delivery like PERODUA?
Muahs!!
At least KIA now become international brand…
Just like SKODA, last time no ppl know also! After VW bought it! Now SKODA is famous in Europe! Look at his new Skoda Superb! Even reviews mention it beat Bentley in space n comfort at a cheaper value!
If the company earning money no ppl complain… When the company did bad, even they are good in design or technology in the end also nothing.. Get it? This is reality…
[quote comment="234816"]At least KIA now become international brand…
Just like SKODA, last time no ppl know also! After VW bought it! Now SKODA is famous in Europe! Look at his new Skoda Superb! Even reviews mention it beat Bentley in space n comfort at a cheaper value!
If the company earning money no ppl complain… When the company did bad, even they are good in design or technology in the end also nothing.. Get it? This is reality…[/quote]
and who exactly are you directing your post at?
[quote comment="234816"]At least KIA now become international brand…
Just like SKODA, last time no ppl know also! After VW bought it! Now SKODA is famous in Europe! Look at his new Skoda Superb! Even reviews mention it beat Bentley in space n comfort at a cheaper value!
If the company earning money no ppl complain… When the company did bad, even they are good in design or technology in the end also nothing.. Get it? This is reality…[/quote]
Agree. Many car manufacturers have advanced and achieved forward many folds.
ALL are happy with the look, the engine! BUT a typical Malaysian will ask "GOT RESALE VALUE OR NOT?"
Wonder when it is not longer a issue, then Korean Car will ready to hit in Malaysia!
[quote comment="234697"]after this people might make up it; Front=Civic Type R, Rear=Mitsu e10…then the emblem HONBISHI….wah…nice…[/quote]
x nice pn. muahahahaha
but GEMA is not entirely korean. please check your facts. the base engines are from hyundai though. but the initiative is 3 prong, including chrysler and mitsu. its an alliance, in which all 3 have their part to play in it.
and you need to get your perspective right on kia. they didnt fall and learnt their lesson.. they fell, someone bought them, and now someone else calls the shots.. they dont get a chance to learn any lesson.[/quote]
The best is that the Giants are joined venture with KIA to come out with such fanstastic engine technology. They must have seen the goodness of the KIA attitude. Am very sure KIA learnt a lot, Korean are hard working ppl.
unlike someone who has everything under the sun yet still cannot advance far, just merry go round and come back to the same old starting point again and again.
[quote comment="234822"]but GEMA is not entirely korean. please check your facts. the base engines are from hyundai though. but the initiative is 3 prong, including chrysler and mitsu. its an alliance, in which all 3 have their part to play in it.
and you need to get your perspective right on kia. they didnt fall and learnt their lesson.. they fell, someone bought them, and now someone else calls the shots.. they dont get a chance to learn any lesson.[/quote]
The best is that the Giants are joined venture with KIA to come out with such fanstastic engine technology. They must have seen the goodness of the KIA attitude. Am very sure KIA learnt a lot, Korean are hard working ppl.[/quote]
you are starting to sound pretty scary… ;) are you a member of a kia cult or something?
good effort by the kia. i think its a matter of time kia will change consumer perception in malaysia. who say need 100 years to build good car. we are living in computerized world where moore's law apply. hope p1 take this a challenge.
the headlites look like civics
the grill belongs to accord euro
the bumper steals a bit of a lancer
the rear lite also copied the nu lancer
so is the rear bumper
grey interior looks cheapo
the aircon vent tiru toyota
paul tan, kia soul pls
have u tried prius hybrid?
[quote comment="234733"]Look at their design and technology. Who can deny their flame ? This is what we call R&D ![/quote]
you r korean… wow… happy to see korean nationalist in Paultan forum… btw, i m malaysian.. nice to meet u…
haha…
not crazy about the interior (sux actually), but externally, it looks really good…
[quote comment="234823"]unlike someone who has everything under the sun yet still cannot advance far, just merry go round and come back to the same old starting point again and again.[/quote]
thats life… cycling… except, not merrying around with same old thing, but merry around with new basics and some improvement…
Danm!!! This is a seriously good looking car!! I want one!!! Is it gonna come here in malaysia? I hope it will and hope it won't cost that much so i can target as my first car haha
[quote comment="234823"]unlike someone who has everything under the sun yet still cannot advance far, just merry go round and come back to the same old starting point again and again.[/quote]
Korean carmakers succeed because of the support of the Korean people, even when they were making crap cars, whereas Proton have little support of the Malaysian people, how to move forward?
everything is ok except that sterring !!
if im remembering correctly , the previus civic typre R had a rear torsion beam as well….so a good tuned rear suspension setup is as good as any…
[quote comment="234858"][quote comment="234823"]unlike someone who has everything under the sun yet still cannot advance far, just merry go round and come back to the same old starting point again and again.[/quote]
Korean carmakers succeed because of the support of the Korean people, even when they were making crap cars, whereas Proton have little support of the Malaysian people, how to move forward?[/quote]
We, the poor rakyat, have been supporting Proton for it's whole life until now (who do u think contribute to the majority of Proton sale??). Remember the early 90s, every car park in Malaysia is a Proton Showroom (this, is a statement I read in Times magazine many years back).
Proton failed even with Malaysian support (remember the time when Proton dominate 80% of the passenger car sale???)
I think you have forget the history of Proton. Proton should have taken the big step then, not now when KIA & Hyundai already overtaken Proton many years ago.
If u really think the Korean love their brand like we should "love" Proton, watch some Korean dramas & you will see, the main actor/actress most of the time, drive Merc, BMW, Austin etc. ONLY on rare occasion did you see them drive a KIA.
But Kia didn't cry like Proton, begging for our rakyat love & charity.
Wake up man, this business world, not taman permainan kanak-kanak!!!!!!
when i see this car and the c'eed, proton is really a disgrace, however there are many blind people who believe in the false sense of pride of proton. Anyways, this car is fantastic, seen it at Singapore, plus its cheaper than a Honda City, Vios, etc…..i wonder how much it would be in Malaysia. And i seriosuly hope Naza does not mess it up.
whoaa…
i tot KIA tiru CAMARO….
damn…
awesome looking car..
totally eye catcher..
transformers fever is heating up!!
[quote comment="234882"]
But Kia didn't cry like Proton, begging for our rakyat love & charity.
Wake up man, this business world, not taman permainan kanak-kanak!!!!!![/quote]
of course kia didnt cry and beg like proton la.. coz they ran out of money, and went bankrupt, what is there to cry about. This allowed hyundai to buy them for a song, and thus eliminate their closest domestic rival. Hyundai has also positioned kia today differently so that they do not fight head to head, like how VW has done with Skoda, Seat and Audi.
[quote comment="234884"]when i see this car and the c'eed, proton is really a disgrace, however there are many blind people who believe in the false sense of pride of proton. Anyways, this car is fantastic, seen it at Singapore, plus its cheaper than a Honda City, Vios, etc…..i wonder how much it would be in Malaysia. And i seriosuly hope Naza does not mess it up.[/quote]
i think your argument that thousands of malaysians have somehow been blinded by proton, a disgraceful company as you claim, is pretty amazing.
if people think this car's design is like sh!t, then i shud b assuming dat their sh!t is best for em..
lol..
jk..
who cares about GEMA, KEMA or whatever MA! Kia is owned by Hyundai, so? Who cares! As long as the car looks good, the performance & quality is acceptable (and the price is affordable). That's what really matters to consumers!
I personally feel that the newer Kia's have been improving and is fast catching up with the Japanese. Good job Kia, now bring the Koup (and Soul) to Malaysia!
paul, elantra and forte doesn't share same chassis
elantra is macperson + multilink while forte is macperson + torsion beam
way too far for comparison
[quote comment="234907"]paul, elantra and forte doesn't share same chassis
elantra is macperson + multilink while forte is macperson + torsion beam
way too far for comparison[/quote]
The Elantra and the Forte share the same chassis. Kia engineers confirmed it. They were sitting next to me in the car when I drove it. The same chassis can have different rear suspension designs bolted on. For example, Toyota Wish has both multilink and torsion beam rear suspension.
According to Kia, they fitted a torsion beam because it is cheaper, lighter, and it also allowed them to better position the fuel tank for protection to improve crash test safety. That's their official answer of course.
[quote comment=”234956″]
BykMskWksp – Hyundai did not eliminate Kia Motors. Kia Motors has become part of the Hyundai-Kia Group. They share procurement, R&D (8000 engineers and technicians, many of them PHD and Masters Deg. holders) and other background stuff. Marketing, sales, etc. are separate. Kia has hired Peter Schreyer and since 2006 has become more ‘Design Driven’ appealing more to the young at heart. Hyundai will appeal to more mature customers.
[/quote]
thats not what i meant. what i meant is, the “original” kia motors is dead because it is in all respects, a company reborn, but under the wing of hyundai of course.. the direction to hire peter schreyer must of course come with approval from hyundai’s board. and as you also rightly pointed out, kia heads off in a different direction, which ensures they do not compete with hyundai, exactly like how VW position skoda, seat and audi. but in the past, kia did compete directly head on with hyundai.
[quote comment="234913"][quote comment="234907"]paul, elantra and forte doesn't share same chassis
elantra is macperson + multilink while forte is macperson + torsion beam
way too far for comparison[/quote]
The Elantra and the Forte share the same chassis. Kia engineers confirmed it. They were sitting next to me in the car when I drove it. The same chassis can have different rear suspension designs bolted on. For example, Toyota Wish has both multilink and torsion beam rear suspension.
According to Kia, they fitted a torsion beam because it is cheaper, lighter, and it also allowed them to better position the fuel tank for protection to improve crash test safety. That's their official answer of course.[/quote]
my mistake
sorry
[quote comment="234891"][quote comment="234882"]
But Kia didn't cry like Proton, begging for our rakyat love & charity.
Wake up man, this business world, not taman permainan kanak-kanak!!!!!![/quote]
of course kia didnt cry and beg like proton la.. coz they ran out of money, and went bankrupt, what is there to cry about. This allowed hyundai to buy them for a song, and thus eliminate their closest domestic rival. Hyundai has also positioned kia today differently so that they do not fight head to head, like how VW has done with Skoda, Seat and Audi.[/quote]
BykMskWksp – Hyundai did not eliminate Kia Motors. Kia Motors has become part of the Hyundai-Kia Group. They share procurement, R&D (8000 engineers and technicians, many of them PHD and Masters Deg. holders) and other background stuff. Marketing, sales, etc. are separate. Kia has hired Peter Schreyer and since 2006 has become more 'Design Driven' appealing more to the young at heart. Hyundai will appeal to more mature customers.
As for rigid beam vs dbl wishbone, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it for the intended purpose. Cheaper, lighter and safer sounds like good reasons to me!
As for 'Handling', can anyone explain how and why a rigid beam rear suspension will be inferior to double wishbone for the intended usage this sort of C-Segment car will see?
You're wrong, most of the time they drive Korean made car. You maybe confused with their eye-catching domestic market's cars that kind a look like continental cars in a glimpse.
Another mystery remarks from Malaysian comments. What the hell all this Kia Forte have to do with P1?
[quote comment="234970"]Another mystery remarks from Malaysian comments. What the hell all this Kia Forte have to do with P1?[/quote]
Bcuz they're P1's rival?
Furthermore, most like to compare their development. Now ppl say Kia ahead, if not on par with Japanese.
It's kind of a mixture to me. I think Proton's not as far behind as some may like to paint it to be, sure, maybe the technical aspect like the engine, gearbox etc. But ride n handling wise, I think Proton is ahead of them. Design is rather subjective. Some say Satria Neo is a looker, some say it's half-baked. Some say this Kia Koup is beautiful enough to share a garage with E39 520i, some say it copy Honda Civic.
*chew popcorn*
Hi Paul , any engine bay pic?
Eh? How come no proper manual gearbox?
If it isn't an option it would be a shame – the Koup needs one to be regarded as a real sports car.
[quote comment="235011"][quote comment="234956"]
BykMskWksp – Hyundai did not eliminate Kia Motors. Kia Motors has become part of the Hyundai-Kia Group. They share procurement, R&D (8000 engineers and technicians, many of them PHD and Masters Deg. holders) and other background stuff. Marketing, sales, etc. are separate. Kia has hired Peter Schreyer and since 2006 has become more 'Design Driven' appealing more to the young at heart. Hyundai will appeal to more mature customers.
[/quote]
thats not what i meant. what i meant is, the "original" kia motors is dead because it is in all respects, a company reborn, but under the wing of hyundai of course..
the direction to hire peter schreyer must of course come with approval from hyundai's board. and as you also rightly pointed out, kia heads off in a different direction, which ensures they do not compete with hyundai, exactly like how VW position skoda, seat and audi.
but in the past, kia did compete directly head on with hyundai.[/quote]
And the Korean govt imposed ridiculus tax on foreign makes too. OR did they…?
[quote comment="235019"][quote comment="235011"][quote comment="234956"]
BykMskWksp – Hyundai did not eliminate Kia Motors. Kia Motors has become part of the Hyundai-Kia Group. They share procurement, R&D (8000 engineers and technicians, many of them PHD and Masters Deg. holders) and other background stuff. Marketing, sales, etc. are separate. Kia has hired Peter Schreyer and since 2006 has become more 'Design Driven' appealing more to the young at heart. Hyundai will appeal to more mature customers.
[/quote]
thats not what i meant. what i meant is, the "original" kia motors is dead because it is in all respects, a company reborn, but under the wing of hyundai of course..
the direction to hire peter schreyer must of course come with approval from hyundai's board. and as you also rightly pointed out, kia heads off in a different direction, which ensures they do not compete with hyundai, exactly like how VW position skoda, seat and audi.
but in the past, kia did compete directly head on with hyundai.[/quote]
And the Korean govt imposed ridiculus tax on foreign makes too. OR did they…?[/quote]
Of course their gov also done it.
most of ppl here wan proton to be succesful as korean automakers…but they didnt noe or play blind (ignorant) how korean govt. and rakyat support their industry.
Interestingly in the old days, as far as I can remember, Kia Motors was offered to many parties including some Malaysian ones. Many in the industry were speculating that Tan Sri Yahaya Ahmad should have bought Kia instead of Lotus. But then, hindsight is always right, and speculation is a worthless thing but worth mentioning in this context.
But, non product related junk aside, how about this. Since Kia has no motorsports background and doesn't have TRD or Mugen to back it up, how about getting HKS to do a tuned up Forte Koup? I'm sure they have relations with Namyang R&D as they've already done a tuned up Genesis Coupe for some US event .. perhaps SEMA? "HKS FORTE KOUP" please! It can be Asia's 'Shelby Mustang'!
[quote comment="235040"]But, non product related junk aside, how about this. Since Kia has no motorsports background and doesn't have TRD or Mugen to back it up, how about getting HKS to do a tuned up Forte Koup? I'm sure they have relations with Namyang R&D as they've already done a tuned up Genesis Coupe for some US event .. perhaps SEMA? "HKS FORTE KOUP" please! It can be Asia's 'Shelby Mustang'![/quote]
Sounds good – and if they bolt on a low pressure turbo on the 2.4L and it'll easily produce more than 200BHP.
Korean so pity like us. but ok finally they own civic evo neo.
[quote comment="235046"][quote comment="235040"]But, non product related junk aside, how about this. Since Kia has no motorsports background and doesn't have TRD or Mugen to back it up, how about getting HKS to do a tuned up Forte Koup? I'm sure they have relations with Namyang R&D as they've already done a tuned up Genesis Coupe for some US event .. perhaps SEMA? "HKS FORTE KOUP" please! It can be Asia's 'Shelby Mustang'![/quote]
Sounds good – and if they bolt on a low pressure turbo on the 2.4L and it'll easily produce more than 200BHP.[/quote]
Or the original concept engine.. that'd be nice.
Oh yeah that would be nice. Hmmm … KOUP Concept translates quite well into the production model. Perhaps that concept high power engine might do the same sometime soon? NICE!
It is no surprise that this shares the same platform as Elantra. Look at the centre dash and compare with the Elantra.
Great stuff from KIA. Hopefully Naza brings this in.
oh, pls dont compare kia & proton
them both share same end result > crap!!
[quote comment="234892"][quote comment="234884"]when i see this car and the c'eed, proton is really a disgrace, however there are many blind people who believe in the false sense of pride of proton. Anyways, this car is fantastic, seen it at Singapore, plus its cheaper than a Honda City, Vios, etc…..i wonder how much it would be in Malaysia. And i seriosuly hope Naza does not mess it up.[/quote]
i think your argument that thousands of malaysians have somehow been blinded by proton, a disgraceful company as you claim, is pretty amazing.[/quote]
sure it is. thank you, i know i write amazing things.
Err.. bukan ke keta ni namanya Cerato Forte kat SG?
Lol.. cakap pasal KIA.. semalam aku berhenti kat traffic light tgh tunggu utk lampu hijau seterusnya, waktu tu tgh hari terik, tiba2 aku terdengar bunyi pelik.. mcm2 bunyinya.. "klak kluk, kok, kok".. bunyi screeching belting pun ada.. aku mengelabah, aku ingatkan keta aku yg buat hal.. lama kelamaan, bunyi pun makin kuat dan apabila kuamati betul2, bunyi tu dtg dari arah belakang.. seterusnya berhenti disebelah aku.. rupa2nya, bunyi tu dtg dari KIA Sorento! bunyi yg kuat itu boleh didengari walaupun tingkap Persona aku tutup sepenuhnya.. aku cuba bukak tingkap, jgn cakap mcm mana bunyinya.. apabila lampu hijau, kami pun jalan da.. aku bagi Sorento tu lepas dulu, aku tgk dari plat number dia, umur keta tu baru je 2thn.. bunyi absorber pun ada semasa lalu kat jalan yg tidak rata.. itu satu2 nya Sorento yg paling teruk belum pernah kutemui..
[quote comment="234882"][quote comment="234858"][quote comment="234823"]unlike someone who has everything under the sun yet still cannot advance far, just merry go round and come back to the same old starting point again and again.[/quote]
Korean carmakers succeed because of the support of the Korean people, even when they were making crap cars, whereas Proton have little support of the Malaysian people, how to move forward?[/quote]
We, the poor rakyat, have been supporting Proton for it's whole life until now (who do u think contribute to the majority of Proton sale??). Remember the early 90s, every car park in Malaysia is a Proton Showroom (this, is a statement I read in Times magazine many years back).
Proton failed even with Malaysian support (remember the time when Proton dominate 80% of the passenger car sale???)
I think you have forget the history of Proton. Proton should have taken the big step then, not now when KIA & Hyundai already overtaken Proton many years ago.
If u really think the Korean love their brand like we should "love" Proton, watch some Korean dramas & you will see, the main actor/actress most of the time, drive Merc, BMW, Austin etc. ONLY on rare occasion did you see them drive a KIA.
But Kia didn't cry like Proton, begging for our rakyat love & charity.
Wake up man, this business world, not taman permainan kanak-kanak!!!!!![/quote]
how do u know they buying them?
its a drama, car company may be paying for indirect advertisement? or, their money is much enough to overcome the burden of paying tax for the car? just like in malaysia… u adore korean, japanese too much…
[quote comment="234687"][quote comment="234630"]the new KIA/Hyundai engine is what we call as GEMA engine.. It is a shared by GM & Mitsubishi also.. So the new Kia Rondo 2.0 also using it the same engine as the Mitsubishi 2.0 Mivec engine. The different is only the tuning or different wiring system… So never tot Korean engine are bullshit, now they are on par with Japanese & even US![/quote]
gema stands for "global engine manufacturing alliance". It consists of Hyundai, Chrysler and Mitsubishi. KIA itself as a company does not do any engine work, but uses engines from the GEMA group as Hyundai owns KIA.
the base engine was supplied by hyundai which is the theta. but the technology that powers these engines are contributed from this alliance so its not 100% korean. its not as simple as a wiring harness change or tuning. The idea of course, is a cost cutting measure and everyone pools their resources.[/quote]
BykMskWkshop – I beg to differ. "Hyundai-Kia Motors R&D Center received US$57 million in royalties from Mitsubishi and Chrysler for the Theta engine." [SOURCE – Hyundai-Kia R&D Brochure 2009]. Doesn't that mean the technology is from Hyundai-Kia R&D and not Mitsubishi & Chrysler? Otherwise why pay royalties?
hey chrysler file for bankruptcy, no more dodge viper and dodge challenger T.T
after lotus's ride and handling, proton should buy mitsubishi to get the 2.4L engine and gearbox…@@@
[share popcorn] ('c')@
Hyundai-Kia make their own transmissions apparently.
when this car will be available in malaysia .. i;m lookin forward for this car .. if it was a sedan . there goes honda civic . coz it will b cheaper i guess.
dunno recommend this car… got this car… a lot of freaking problems with auto trans…scary gear always stuck between neutral and drive… and i have to change its LED lights twice…..my car is just 3 mths old…KIA= GEELY CHINA
seen this car at singapore…..very nice design, but the size is just like to compete with City or Vios…not in Civic or Altis region…
I saw one of this car under naza batch at JPJ HQ basement parking since last week !
cannteeekkknyerrr…thumb up for KIA….
hi…
how about the 4-door version…?
any news yet..?
Guys, I've test driven this KIA Cerato Forte in Singapore. Totally amazed of what they did to the drive train and insulations! Easily dampens irregular road condition like other Japanese makes! Engine is responsive, for both 1.6 & 2.0 capacities. Another major improvement are the interior built. Say good bye to to Spectra & Rondo class plastics. Say hi to Civic-alike built quality! OMG… /beg Naza to bring them in, 2.0 CBU and rpice them around the Hyundai Elantra a.k.a Avante! Ooops, I'm a guy who still driving a 6 years old Kia Spectra, still holding up and no complains at all, I guess regular maintenance works wonders to all makes! KIA Cerato Forte will be my next car, finally my wait will be over once it's in Malaysia!
fck it! another copy cat company..
Copy who ?
front end looks like a Civic si
the gauges looks like its from a mazda3
the steering wheel like nissan
rear end has hints of altima coupe or vw eos
[IMG ]http://www.dieselstation.com/pics/Honda-Civic-Coupe-car-wallpaper.jpg[/IMG]
[img ]http://www.mazdausamedia.com/files/images/mazda3_4d_cluster.photo_gallery_preview.jpg[/img]
[img ]http://www.newcarbuyingguide.com/images/articles/reviews/nissan/08NissanAltimaCoupe02.jpg[/img]
How much does it cost? seems very exclusive
WHY PROTON DIDNT DO THEIR CAR LIKE THIS???
hope proton come with more handsome design and quality must be up!
Hi all,
i'm new here.
actually after i looked this car thus i'm very excited too.
So i cannot tahan to join with you all in this forum for share the latest news.
Ya Man.. It totally looks like the American Civic Coupe. Just you guys google the Honda America Website for the civic coupe.
Oh yeah after this the p1 company will join back with Japan Mitsu company again.(Sorry for change the topic hee hee..)
Tengku said they will ganti that Waja model,so i think maybe use platform of latest Lancer beb..
I believe The p1 will become up after this and got hot sale like before which hot as Megavalve and wira models.
So i will think twice before buy another car, it's hard to choose among Kia Forte,Honda civic 1.8,p2 Alza, and latest p1…
i had nissan syphilis for oredi 1 year….so far so good..
but after seeing this car last week i'm very impress with the design..exteriorly and interiorly..but dissapointed as dont have a test car to drive so can compare wit my car…if ok wanna trade in my other car..plotong…
Seem excellent, how much does it cost ?
anyone knows when the 2-door forte koup will be available in Msia?