Kia Forte 1.6 Test Drive Review

Kia Forte 1.6 Test Drive Review

This is a much anticipated test drive report. Not only have we received many requests to feature the Kia Forte, but I myself have been waiting so long to get behind the Forte’s wheel. We missed the media test drive event and Naza Kia’s schedule was so full that only now do we get a sampler.

Priced at RM75,800 OTR including insurance, the entry level 1.6 EX looks to be a steal, and that’s before you realise that for RM6,000 more the SX comes with equipment unheard of in cars below RM100,000. Let’s not forget that this is a C-segment contender to the Civic, Lancer, Sylphy, and Altis, priced below Japanese branded B-segment cars. We see if this irresistible on paper appeal runs deep.

Continue reading the report after the jump.

Kia Forte 1.6 Test Drive Review

While I recognise and endorse the improvement made in Korean cars throughout the past few years, to be honest, I’ve never thought of having one myself. Many Kias, Hyundais and the odd SsangYong have passed through our hands, but never have they left a deep impression. Competent? Yes. Desirable? No. Not even the pretty Hyundai Coupe (weak drivetrain), although the diesel Santa Fe SUV is quite a good package.

Kia Forte 1.6 Test Drive Review

But Kia is really working its socks off trying to change this. There seems to be an awareness from within the company that techincal competence needs to be supported by design brilliance, and the Forte represents this. The man behind Kia’s “design revolution” is Peter Schreyer, the German who previously worked with Audi. Even if we didn’t know this for a fact, my guess wouldn’t be too far off, for the Forte boasts clean, sharp looks that wouldn’t look out of place on an Audi.

Kia Forte 1.6 Test Drive Review

Clean it may be, but the Forte is anything but plain. The front wears a distinctve “mask-like” design that reminds us of the European Honda Civic hatchback, while the scuplted bonnet and the signature crease that sprouts from beneath the A-pillar to form the shoulder line is neat. This, and the spoiler style boot edge distracts from the fact that the Forte has tall sides and a high rump. Of course, for the full effect, you’ve got to opt for the 1.6 SX, which comes with cool 17-inch wheels and low profile rubber. Still, this Kia is the looker of the C-segment – something unthinkable few years ago. Try as we may, photos don’t do it justice, so get down to a dealership and have a good look for yourself.

Kia Forte 1.6 Test Drive Review

After hearing and reading so many good things about the Forte from fellow journos , I was expecting something special, perhaps a new class leader (although it’s priced a class lower in Malaysia, we’ll compare the Forte with the C-segment, which was what Kia intended globally), and perhaps it’s this inflated hopes, plus the fact that the Forte looks so good, that caused a slight disappointment even though I really enjoyed my time with it.

Kia Forte 1.6 Test Drive Review

The 1.6-litre engine is entirely adequate for daily use, but there were moments where I wished for more pulling power and accleration. Perhaps the nature of the four-speed auto gearbox contributes to this impression – it’s not the most eager to kickdown when you need more go, which is not a problem in itself, but the ratios seem too long and widely spaced. Things get better once you get some momentum on board, but rivals with bigger engines are more effortless.

The 124 bhp/157 Nm Gamma engine also goes about its business without much charisma; it’s quite lively past 4000 rpm, but it also gets a little boomy at this stage. We’re not referring to Campro style resonance in case you’re wondering, but it’s not the smoothest lump in town either. Don’t get us wrong, the Forte’s drivetrain isn’t bad (some wouldn’t even bat an eyelid at what we’ve pointed out) but it’s just not positively memorable.

Kia Forte 1.6 Test Drive Review

Kia Forte 1.6 Test Drive ReviewHere’s something more obvious. If you’re familiar with the class par, and have spent some time with the current crop of C-segment cars, you’ll easily notice that the Forte isn’t at its best at high speed, long distance cruising, and it all boils down to having only four forward ratios. At 110 km/h, the tacho points at 3000 rpm. A bit high, but all’s still well at this stage thanks to the Kia’s good cabin insulation from outside noises (which is above average, we reckon). Go beyond that to, say 140 km/h, and the buzz is loud enough for passengers to notice, and for you to “level” things by turning up the volume. Once again, rivals are more effortless.

Some of them are more fun to drive than the Kia too. I never warmed to the Forte’s steering (hydraulic for 1.6L models) throughout our time with it. While the weighting is surprisingly meaty at low speeds, it feels a little too sensitive and nervous when cornering at highway speeds – it just wasn’t very confidence inspiring for me. This was for the EX with 15-inch wheels and 65-series tyres. On the SX, which rolls on 215/45 R17 rubber, you’ll feel more of the road’s grains through the steering rim, but along with that comes significantly more tyre roar and a high pitched hum on certain surfaces.

The Forte, although not as mushy as Kia sedans of old, is still fairly softy sprung, and the body bucks and moves around quite a bit on undulations, even if it’s never unnerving. While turn in is sharp, some rivals manage to lean less and feel more composed on lumpy roads. The ride quality on the big wheeled SX is noticeably sharper edged than the EX though, so there’s a price to pay for the undeniable style it brings.

Kia Forte 1.6 Test Drive Review

Kia Forte 1.6 Test Drive ReviewThe previous five paragraphs may be of little consequence to many car buyers, who simply want a stylish, well equipped family saloon. And the Forte’s showroom appeal is simply amazing. Good looks aside, our EX tester came with all round disc brakes, ABS, dual airbags, trip computer, factory audio with iPod/AUX jacks and steering controls and electrochromic rear view mirror. If you’re impressed already, the 1.6 SX will leave you speechless. For RM81,800, you get keyless entry and start (with start/stop button), Electronic Stability Control (ESC), Traction Control, auto air-con, telescopic steering wheel with leather (also on gear knob), alloy pedals and those fetching 17in alloys – all for less than an S-spec Honda City. The 2.0-litre model costs RM93,800 and comes with curtain airbags and leather upholstery.

Kia Forte 1.6 Test Drive ReviewIt’s not just the kit, but the cabin is faultless in terms of ergonomics and comfort, and quality is evident in the tight fitting buttons (all illuminated, even the audio jacks) and panels. The SX gets some contrasting silver painted plastic on the centre console, steering wheel and door trim, as opposed to the matt black of the EX, which also lacks the red “hood” of light on the speedometer. I found my ideal driving position with ease as the height adjustable seats have a long range of travel. And as previously mentioned, insulation from outside noise is good for its class.

In terms of rear space, there’s decent head and legroom although not as much as the Sylphy and Civic, which also has a flat floor to its advantage; the Kia’s all-black colour scheme doesn’t help in giving an impression of space either. One small grouse though, off the shoulder and rear visibility for the driver is limited due to the thick C-pillars and rising waistline – the rear screen gives you an upward view, which doesn’t help in parking at all.

Kia Forte 1.6 Test Drive Review

The few “could be better” points would not be much of a letdown if the Forte is a mediocre entry, for which we will just say that “it’s very very decent considering the amount you pay”, but because Kia does most things right, I personally feel that it’s a missed opportunity to jump straight to the top, which I bet the Koreans will sooner rather than later.

At present, it’s not the best C-segment car you can buy, but then there are no other selling for the price of a Vios or City. Against those price rivals, it’s very hard to ignore the Forte’s appeal – it’s a much better developed and sophisticated car that also happens to look superb and packed to the brim with kit.

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Danny Tan

Danny Tan loves driving as much as he loves a certain herbal meat soup, and sweet engine music as much as drum beats. He has been in the auto industry since 2006, previously filling the pages of two motoring magazines before joining this website. Enjoys detailing the experience more than the technical details.

 

Comments

  • AI-generated Summary ✨

    Comments generally praise the Kia Forte for its attractive design, excellent features, and good value for money, especially compared to Japanese counterparts like Vios and City. Many owners highlight the car’s spaciousness, modern interior, and performance suitable for family and daily use. However, concerns persist about long-term reliability, high maintenance costs, and the quality of Naza’s after-sales service, with some comparing it unfavorably to Toyota and Honda. The badge and badge changing are also hot topics, with owners often replacing the Naza badge for Kia’s branding. A few mention product issues such as alignment and interior plastics, but most agree the Forte is a significant improvement for Kia’s local reputation. Overall, the tone is supportive, emphasizing owner satisfaction but cautious about after-sales and resale concerns.

  • goldfries on Feb 28, 2010 at 2:11 am

    From what I gathered, the 1.6SX certainly is a better bargain than the 1.6EX, considering the stuff you get from the additional RM 6k or so.

    Now the question is how well will KIA / NAZA service the customers, and how reliable is the car. Really tempted to get one. :D

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  • _Zephyre_ on Feb 28, 2010 at 2:17 am

    Nice review. Typo on "design revolution".

    Danny Tan says: Noted, thanks!

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  • bacterium on Feb 28, 2010 at 2:19 am

    Nice car. Thinking of buying it since we first saw it, but in the end settled for the City instead.. which is more expensive and smaller and have a smaller CC engine.. Didn't know why I made that choice..

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  • wolfsburg on Feb 28, 2010 at 2:20 am

    Great effort from Kia… Hope that Naza can speed up their delivery and bring more Forte to our roads to replace the boring looking, same price but smaller Japanese car.

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  • I'M GONNA GET ONE NOW !

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  • wolfsburg on Feb 28, 2010 at 2:21 am

    btw, the Japanese and our National car should be shame for not having the Electronic Chromic Mirror!!!

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  • xenith (Member) on Feb 28, 2010 at 2:23 am

    The steering wheel says Kia but the badges outside says Naza. Good review by the way.

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    • eadgez on Mar 25, 2010 at 6:53 pm

      and i dont like the steering looks. fugly. ouch!

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  • leong on Feb 28, 2010 at 2:28 am

    nice review !!

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  • full with safety system and price below 100k…Im pretty sure this model will so laris di pasaran…

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  • _evs_ on Feb 28, 2010 at 2:33 am

    Looks smart BUT how I wished it hadn't been rebadged. I mean it totally lost it's appeal. Although KIA isn't really an appealing car to begin with, I'd rather drive a car with a KIA badge than a NAZA badge. Just saying.

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  • thedaoaks on Feb 28, 2010 at 2:34 am

    only if they can change NAZA to KIA…

    and hoping that people will change their KIA brand's perception over TOYOTA & HONDA

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  • let compare to a city, yes city is good 2000rpm at 100 but its light having different characteristc on the road, jarring due to light body and considerably on the stiffer side of the suspension.

    this kia is heavier, drivetrain have to suit its body weight, suspension is batter feel than honda city. and it feel safer.

    this is just 1.6. entry model ,

    put the 2.0 with the same price of a 1.5 city, then talk about power per buck. i think this kia is a winner.

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  • mitlanevo on Feb 28, 2010 at 2:47 am

    well done Paul :-)

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  • bmpower on Feb 28, 2010 at 2:48 am

    not that desirable.

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  • Engineer on Feb 28, 2010 at 2:49 am

    looks a good deal though.

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  • Nice

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  • budget sex on wheels…….

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  • petrol-head on Feb 28, 2010 at 2:59 am

    Well is a good car but M'sian still can't really accept Korean cars!!! too bad, it takes time to convince our consumers

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  • eva31s on Feb 28, 2010 at 2:59 am

    Erm going to get one of this…

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  • kimi_ on Feb 28, 2010 at 3:05 am

    Fuck off the stupid, ugly NAZA badge on this beauty, REALLY a shame and

    letdown

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  • Danny Tan (Member) on Feb 28, 2010 at 3:06 am

    _evs_: I think the swapping of badges is rather straightforward, and that's the first thing many new Forte owners would do!

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  • arroncyl on Feb 28, 2010 at 3:07 am

    I gonna get it right away…

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  • bawang on Feb 28, 2010 at 3:11 am

    sad…warranty just 2 years or 50 k km only…no more extend warranty;-(

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  • xavier lert on Feb 28, 2010 at 3:13 am

    first time i saw it…WOW nice car (its white)….after evryday encounter…..its a normal….good for one who need C seg car, but not enof budget for one….

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  • kimi_ on Feb 28, 2010 at 3:13 am

    9.2liter/km is consider high fuel consumption….this is bad, the 1.6EX carried 15inch wheel cap or alloy wheels on it????????

    Who the hell NAZA can put its badge on this car, really a letdown… please put back the KIA logo for GOD AND HEAVEN SAKE…..

    NAZA, not only pronounce heard stupid, it looks idiotic on this nice car…..

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  • so i guess its a 5/10 for this car?

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  • kimi_ on Feb 28, 2010 at 3:17 am

    good review Danny, can you give a short summary of PROS and CONS on the

    end of each review post in the future!

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  • asgard on Feb 28, 2010 at 3:28 am

    the kia badges are available on market,easy to change

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  • mr_3m on Feb 28, 2010 at 3:28 am

    In the 80s, it used to be Proton Saga can be even better than Hyundai Accent or whatever…. but now, even some Japanese cars can be worse than the Korean ones (at similar price, mind you… and no point comparing same segment)…. Koreans are targeting best value for money at time of purchase… however, be careful that long term proposition may differ… especially if Naza/Kia get it wrong with their aftersales & service…

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  • StarGhazzer on Feb 28, 2010 at 3:31 am

    My 2.0L SLi (SX) does 110kmh at 2.5K rpm. 130kmh is at 3Krpm and it easily goes up to 140kmh without giving the feeling of being strained. The Theta II is a good engine but unfortunately the 4-speed auto simply doesn't do justice.

    In addition, I've realised that many of the Forte's reviews tend to leave out some of the minor cons. None of the following are fatal flaws, in fact most people would not really care about them but I thought I'd just share them here:

    1. No auto-up function of the driver side window.

    2. Slightly short rear bench which compromises thigh support. An additional 2cm would be sweet. No rear centre headrest either – it helps slightly with rear vision, but uncomfortable for the poor passenger sitting there.

    3. Torque dip from 2nd to 3rd gear. Easily resolved by shift-tronic mode, but somewhat annoying in full automatic. Some automotive forums have mentioned that Kia offers an ECU upgrade/tweak to improve this aspect.

    4. Brakes don't bite as well as the Civic does. Nor does it steer as well.

    5. The superb noise suppression which offers good NVH somehow makes the exhaust note lack umph.

    6. Lack of storage compartments at the rear doors; and the rear door plus boot lid seem to be too light and thin.

    This is not a perfect car, no car ever is; nor is it the best car in the C-segment. Like what Paul mentioned, it is the best bang for buck. I personally think that this car has served it purpose – first by revitalising Kia's image, and second it highlights how horrendously overpriced Japanese cars are in Malaysia.

    For people who are eyeing for Vios/City, please check out the Forte before making a decision.

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  • Nice to read this forte review..i think it is good package for this car.

    How about handling of this car compare to other rivals especially bodyroll, suspension? And some said that forte dashboard and door panel use hard plastic only?

    Maybe this car will be my choice to upgrade from waja CPS…at the future..

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  • Persatuan Anti Toyot on Feb 28, 2010 at 3:47 am

    Light years ahead of that Toyota Dugong.

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  • shawal on Feb 28, 2010 at 3:53 am

    excellent review! Naza is really2 doing us malaysians a BIG favour

    but 4-speed auto box is a letdown :(

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  • Bmpower, shut up and go to ur BMW, dont talk if you have no facts.

    Anyway, this car is really looks nice as I seen one on road today.

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  • Dark Magicians on Feb 28, 2010 at 4:16 am

    Nice. I like the front design, especially the lamp!

    I think I will give 90 marks for this car!

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  • cmc80 on Feb 28, 2010 at 4:20 am

    it really worth.

    somebody said korean car no second value…

    example…

    kia forte price RM 75K

    toyota altis RM 110K

    after 6 years

    kia forte value RM 25K (example)

    toyota altis value RM 55K (example)

    so,

    kia forte -RM 50K

    toyota altis -RM 55K

    i feel that if kia brand is famous…

    kia forte will sold in RM 100K above…

    so RM 75K is worth… no need to afraid about the second value…

    it is nothing different than others like toyota…!

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  • Dr. Dre on Feb 28, 2010 at 4:26 am

    Nothing you idiot, Dr Dre's dead, he's locked in my basement.

    Persatuan Anti Toyota dan Pemandunya Bodoh di Jalan Raya said,

    February 27, 2010 @ 7:47 pm

    Light years ahead of that Toyota Dugong.

    Stupid comment is stupid.

    Seriously though, 2litre car for 93k? and looks like that?

    That is really good. Such a pity a manual is not offered for the 2litre.

    It wont really matter if a buyer just needs a car to get the job done and also have some convenience such as the ipod and aux inputs, nice digital display, easy to use dash and also have good looks. The rims looks nice, except that the center cap totally ruins it by being a black plastic piece. If that can be replaced. And the steering wheel looks a bit weird. So old school.

    Jimmy Kong Wei Foong.

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  • caldina on Feb 28, 2010 at 4:32 am

    hey guy!more features means more maintainance in future…furthermore please check clearly it's major maintainance fee and what type of RON petrol to be use! hey hey! i m apologize if my statement causing some people not happy!

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  • when will 2.0 SX be available? no news so far when they will release it to customers, even NAZA/KIA sales agent don't know when/or can't disclose any info. endless wait without any date line given..i'm frustrated to the max. anybody can shed some light?

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  • alfarabi on Feb 28, 2010 at 4:57 am

    not a big fan of korean cars but malaysian should stop buying dugong and get one of these!

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  • niuhje on Feb 28, 2010 at 5:26 am

    W T F 3879… hahaha. get it get it… nevermind.

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  • i test driven this all i can say, the feel of the car is far batter than city or vios on the road, now that those light japs car feel cheap.

    for a correction the car i tested is 1.6 and the speedo shows 120 at 3000.

    i testimony this by myself. no point to lie here.

    personaly im not a fan of kia, the badge is ugly. for the car ,its fees like driving european,

    lot of good side of city for example, low engine speed, FC is good, handling not bad either inspite of jarring stiff,

    but the HP is peaky. downshift is 2 step down for power.and its tall gear makes it shift up and down for a tad of picking up.

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  • budlee on Feb 28, 2010 at 5:37 am

    wow.. to be compared to the C segment, its seemed weak although massively well equipped, but its priced in the B segment?.. darn…

    i guess it all depends on your mindset..

    who cares about the badge really, and btw Naza, is part of a person's name

    Nazaruddin, just like Ford and Honda.

    anyways, this is a global car, not a car created specifically of for a certain market.

    too bad they won't introduce the 5 speed automatic like they have in the US, since in the US you have the option of a 4 speed automatic or a 5 speed automatic.

    I just can't believe the amount of kit that this car is loaded, the 2.0 is the almost exact same car as the 2.0 in the US without the built in navigation..

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  • not-quite-the-auto-j on Feb 28, 2010 at 5:37 am

    great review Danny.

    i love the fact this car has almost everything imaginable for rm100k, except for maybe the rear sunshade and HID headlamps.

    makes the rm90k vios sporty looks ridiculously overpriced.

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  • StupidDugongToyota on Feb 28, 2010 at 5:46 am

    It is clear that this Kia Forte wins a handful compare to those overprices "YaMate" Car, especially the most stupid car ever, Toyota Dugong. But the mind set in most of Malaysian car owner is to buy the "YaMate" car, especially Toyota. Only idiot will buy stupid Dugong and it is proved that there are lots of idiots in malaysia….

    Back to the story, what I heard that the 2.0 version of Forte are being held at Port Klang. 1.6 version just underpower for the heavy chassis….will consider Forte if 2.0 version on the road.

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  • ViosBuyersAllIdiots on Feb 28, 2010 at 5:50 am

    Agreed….Dugong(Vios) owners are all idiots and they use their butt to make this stupid decision…..if let me choose between Kancil and Dugong, I will definitely choose Kancil…

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  • ForteInFuture on Feb 28, 2010 at 5:52 am

    Good car indeed. No more potong and sushi cars for me as the Korean start to make their mark in Malaysia market.

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  • Ah Bear on Feb 28, 2010 at 5:54 am

    Hmmmm the review of the car was not very impressive which made it out to be more look than substance.

    I liked the car at first but changed my mind after I saw the boot rattled when the door was shut.

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  • KinchiCar on Feb 28, 2010 at 5:55 am

    Heard that 2.0 version are being held at Port. Can Paul check it?

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  • KiaNotNaza on Feb 28, 2010 at 6:02 am

    Kia Forte is a good car and it is proved in US and Europe market. But the after sales service from Naza makes most of the potential buyers to think twice.

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  • DugongGoHell on Feb 28, 2010 at 6:06 am

    No more Potong, no more Dugong…..

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  • vince chia on Feb 28, 2010 at 6:20 am

    for me, i will think that after sales services is very important.. coz no matter how good reputation/ image on a car manufacturing, at the end of days the car still got problem after long run, just in terms of major or minor problem only.. for instance: my civic 08 being call back for fuse box replacement recently via post mail sending by honda

    that is the main reason i buy civic rather than lancer on that time, even prices is quiet near..

    but honda after sales services also avearge only..

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  • alpha999 on Feb 28, 2010 at 6:22 am

    hmmm…..is gonna be tough to bring down toyota sales………..

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  • azlan on Feb 28, 2010 at 6:23 am

    i think the priority consideration of buying car lately is the reliability. The fact: FC is quite high (where my city NORMALLY achieve 20-22km/l long distance at jalan kampung)..expecting the NEW subsidy implementation, people like me (rakyat marhaen) are thinking twice to buy FORTE, much better CITY and VIOS…

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  • Mazda 3 MPS + ANTI P on Feb 28, 2010 at 6:36 am

    lovely car.

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  • steven on Feb 28, 2010 at 6:51 am

    The price is really attractive for the 2.0 with all the extra stuffs.

    Now you guys can compare the price with japanese car. Honda & Toyota are making good profit with their cars. It is estimated that their profit is 30%.

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  • steven on Feb 28, 2010 at 6:58 am

    Naza after sales & service is pretty bad or else I would not think twice. Star Business Times published a review on top 20 best after sales & service automaker in Malaysia last year end and Naza is no.1 if count from bottom.

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  • steven on Feb 28, 2010 at 6:59 am

    this is a nice car compare with vios and city , u won't regreat to get it

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  • Not bad..much better than the 'new' toyota vios..

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  • tamaki on Feb 28, 2010 at 7:11 am

    NO offense,it a C-segment car, despite ,it seem slightly squeeze and compact in real life,yes-no question its value for money.

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  • endre on Feb 28, 2010 at 8:08 am

    you got 9.2l/100km, mine 1.6EX 7.8l/100km done at 1300km now

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  • fort minor on Feb 28, 2010 at 8:13 am

    I've traded in my 2006 vios and have had the forte 1.6SX for a couple of days now…..so far, it has met my expectations.

    1) I needed a car which is larger than the vios and this car really have ample room, whether for the passenger or for luggage. Contrary to the review, I feel that the rear leg room is better than the civic, which i'm also quite familiar with. Star Ghazzer mentioned that the rear bench was a bit short. well, my vios was worse, so no issue here :)

    2) the performance is adequate. i agree that the car lacks 'pull' when overtaking. however, this was expected as it is only a 1.6l engine. this is similar to my vios.but since the vios was a smaller and lighter car, the 'pick-up was slightly better,although just by a small margin. VERY small margin. I've had experience driving civic 2.0, toyota harrier and e-200 merc on long distance highways journeys and i sometimes felt that these car also lacks pick up. so, to me this is not a very big deal. these are not sports car and they are not meant to be driven hard. should be better with the 2.0 though.i haven't tried the "shiftronic" mode yet as the car is still in the break-in period, so I cant comment on its effect yet.

    3) the handling isn't great. I feel that the vios was better and I agree that this might be caused by the 17" rims. the steering can sometimes be a bit vague at high speed. again, i'm using this as a family car. so, this is sort of reminds me not to push it too far..lol

    4) the ergonomics are really. WAYYY better than the vios.the fit and finish are also great. everything are positioned just right where they suppose to be.the material are a mix of soft touch and hard plastic. IMHO, it serves the puspose. the kits are also fantastic. it might cost more to maintain in the long run, but i'm enjoying all the gadgets that it has.

    5) If you think that the door and trunk lid of the forte is thin, you should check out my previous car. that was like a tin milo. I even felt embarassed whenever my friends put something in my trunk and closes it. when they heard the sound, they'll have really puzzled look like they're saying "wut the heck was that??"..lol. wonder why nobody ever made that an issue, like the merdeka edition proton saga.. ;p

    6) FC is a bit more than vios, but not that bad.Ive traveled over 300km with just about half the tank. that's about rm40 i guess. so,that's about 13.5km/l right?btw, this is just an estimation and is definitely not acurate…i'll get a better idea once I refuel the car.

    6)i wanted to get a new and bigger car for my growing family, but I didn't want to pay more for the monthly installments. thank god for the Naza badge!! I'm paying almost the same amount of monthly installment for a bigger and better car than my previous car. couldn't care less about the badge as long as it does it part in reducing the price. I've think of it as trading up in term of style, space, comfort and gadgets, but at the same price i paid for my Vios 4 years ago. sure, the "K" name is not as great as the T&H, but that's not a problem to me….. and yes,if i like, i can change the emblem to "K" emblem anytime. but i feel kinda "poyo" doing that.no offence to those who change it. I just have no problem with the naza badge. and that's after my family have the horrible nightmare of owning the naza ria ;p

    7) people say that the second hand value will be really bad. My point of view is, if I buy a jap c-segment car, i'll have to pay about RM400++ more for the car's monthly installment compared to the forte. Instead of spending that extra money on the car, i might as well invest it on a trust fund or something. by the time i'm going to buy another car, that money will be enough to cover the balance of the loans. I'll also pay less interest to the bank.. heck.i might even make some profit by that time.lol….

    to sum it up, i agree that this forte is best bang for your buck. it's not the best car, and the review above also doesn't say much about its performance.however, when you consider other vessel at this price level, you really can't get a better deal than the forte. I'm now looking forward at how P1 gonna challenge this car with the new waja. i guess this is making the local automotive industry so much more exciting than it was. it's always good to have more competition. at least for us, the buyer :)

    CHEERS!!

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  • fort minor on Feb 28, 2010 at 8:16 am

    dang….i've written a very long comment without even realising it.hope nobody fell asleep while reading it.sorry Paul & Danny ;)

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  • skiborne on Feb 28, 2010 at 8:21 am

    wait, the steering has Kia logo, but externally at the grille for instance, Naza pulakk.. hahaha

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  • wochomi on Feb 28, 2010 at 8:23 am

    If ya can't even afford a stupid dugong or H or N, don't crave for a Forte. Let alone just comparing features on paper. Go get a 2nd job, loser.

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  • VIOSuser on Feb 28, 2010 at 8:29 am

    wou wou wou, just wondering why so many people so against the vios….:)

    Relax bro keep your cool…..

    i m a vios USER and i treat her just like my japanese girlfriend. change one after a few years when you feel bored. I will get a sexier one 2 or 3 years from now probably miss honda. Then i might consider a european blonde probably a german…….Variety is the spice of life.

    Honesly, I really cannot tahan my first love Miss Proton Iswara. Clumsy, Lazy, Not responsive. When I wanna move faster she reluctant. Always complain here pain there pain and need to send back to Proton service center. Not like my current japanese model. Slim and curvy. Responsive when touched. Bang here Bang there day in day out also never complain.

    No need to slow now when we are near the speed hump. You know what, when you are fast and she said slow down…it;s damn boring. Thanks to toyota great damping system….

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  • DugongGoHell on Feb 28, 2010 at 8:32 am

    Good comment indeed for fort minor but i really don't like the"N" badge/emblem. If i buy Forte, first thing to do is to dump the N emblem…

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  • AlammakKing on Feb 28, 2010 at 8:34 am

    agreeee…for me,the naza emblem is the major "defect" of Forte, I rather put a "Doraemon" sticker than it…..

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  • KiaFans on Feb 28, 2010 at 8:37 am

    Wonder when Kia going to launch Kia Soul here.

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  • Raa Azhar on Feb 28, 2010 at 8:40 am

    i just like the PLATE NUMBER! "WTF" 4758.. EPIC

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  • Dugong GoHell on Feb 28, 2010 at 8:42 am

    If compare with Iswara, of coz the Vios is better. But I am really fell sorry for the owner for the latest vios. Looks ugly, foolish, idiot, stupid….and more. How could you guys can afford to buy such a "beauty' as ur wife. If my wife like this, I will kill her first and kill myself later…….ughhhhh

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  • WasTe_BuckET on Feb 28, 2010 at 8:49 am

    Danny,

    i would like to ask you a few question about your write up..hope you mind answering..

    when u say rivals…which rivals you meant for 1.6 car??honda civic 1.8?nissan slyphy 2.0? toyota altis 1.8?? or toyota vios and honda city?? i know u mentioned C- class rivals..but the only C-class rival here which offer a 1.6 engine is Mazda 3 and Naza's own european make..Peugoet…so..is it fair?both in term of engine capacity and price??

    in our country, price determines class for most…so why dont you compare it with rivals similarly priced,such as honda city,toyota vios and hyundai i30?

    its obvious Naza/kia priced the car to rival city and vios and to capture their market(in Malaysia) so why why compare with rivals with rm 35000 to 50000 price difference??

    if you are writing for a european based blog,it would be fair..but since its based on malaysia price as how u started your write up..its isnt fair to compare it with the likes of civic,slyphy or altis…

    why i say its not fair..simple..if i was given rm 90000 in hand and to make the best choice if cars available..i wouldnt even think of civic,slyphy or altis even mazda 3 1.6…my obvious choice would be city,vios and forte 1.6…and when i compare this car with vios and city..on paper,Forte wins hands down…and on the road..i feel it can win hands down…and for the level of safety equipment,and other features in this car..city and vios cant even come close..

    so..why compare cars which are priced a class about this Forte and make it look bad(engine,drivetrain and space)..rather than show how much of a bargain you get with similarly priced city or vios??

    i was just wondering…

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  • power8003 on Feb 28, 2010 at 8:56 am

    I think the forte 2.0 is a steal….. However i prefer the forte koupe…. I saw it in singapore. i wonder whether naza will bring it in to malaysia……. paul/ danny any news on this the forte koupe…… thanks

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  • VIOSuser on Feb 28, 2010 at 9:02 am

    hahaha, small kid need time to grow up. Boy scout need time to be a real soldier.

    who ask you to marry miss vios ? Bang for a few year and dump her la. Dont get married so fast bro….. as i mentioned, variety is the spice of life.

    when i first met miss forte, i was quite impressed. elegent, quite pretty and not too demanding in terms of price

    But i am a bit scared of the mother in law, Pn. NAZA. Dont know how she bring up the daughter.

    And most importantly, Ms Forte is hard to dump when you feel bored about her. Unlike my japanese girlfriend ms Vios. If I wanna dump her, lots of guys out there are always willing to take over. Ms Forte will ask you to marry her. Oh My God, you ask me to marry this Korean fella !!?? Plzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Go and Read Neil Strauss's 'The Game'

    Rule number 1 in takling girls : MAKE SURE SHE IS EASY TO BE DUMPED !!!

    I feel so sorry about you boy scout !

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  • nabil on Feb 28, 2010 at 9:14 am

    paul , comparing engine with CPS , which one u think wins on power,responsivness and overall refinement ?? jus out of curiosity

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  • endre on Feb 28, 2010 at 9:16 am

    go to glenmerie service centre good service there, no complain and very efficient use walkie talkie to comunicate with staff. Done 1000km service there.

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  • VIOSuser on Feb 28, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Hi Mr Dugong Go Hell

    ah one more thing i forget to ask, why you call yourself Dugong Go Hell ?

    Mr Paul Tan, Do you think we should stop people using impolite word'Hell" on this site ?? :)

    My name is

    Viosuser

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  • chewing gum on Feb 28, 2010 at 9:58 am

    Dammit I really HATE the NAZA logo!! Its clearly spoiled the car's whole image!

    Why don't naza just let it have its original KIA logo??!! Why rebadge??!! STUPID NAZA!! It's not that you're the one who make the car! SHAME ON YOU NAZA!

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  • BeemerFreak on Feb 28, 2010 at 10:05 am

    Hey guys i am just here to add about the positives. i am a malaysian living in singapore. my forte is about a year old d. those who just bought the car be pateint with the initial lack of power. when it had run in, the power delivery is much soother the brand new. That was what happened to my kia. Great car 23000km in already, no problems at all. although i did change the tyre to michelins, much better in sound proofing and high speed cornering. Love this car, forget the vios city sx4, take this no regrets, dont buy based on resale alone, buy with practicality in mind.

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  • kimchi on Feb 28, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Paul ,

    U forgot to mention the 2 year / 50K warranty.

    What kinda warranty is this when in Aust,

    Kia buyers offered 5 year unlimited km warranty.

    Even Hyundai Malaysia offering 5 year/300K.

    Naza come on , u more interested in selling cars

    but not bothered abt after sales svc. !!

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  • Proton on Feb 28, 2010 at 10:29 am

    uncle design inside….

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  • Eric Foong on Feb 28, 2010 at 10:32 am

    High C/P value, worth to buy if your budget is somewhere around RM75k.

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  • Anyone who has owned the car please comment on the Fuel Consumption (FC)…im more serious in this as u know the fuel proce is going to increase in near future….

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  • carazine on Feb 28, 2010 at 11:19 am

    hate the logo. why Naza instead of Kia

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  • business is business on Feb 28, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Toyota is going down (8millions car recall & and admitted reduce in quality in exchange for the world no.1!)..

    Korean is the rising star…(new good design, with better specs)

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  • elite on Feb 28, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    proton pers0na n wAja is much better than Forte

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  • ijnek (Member) on Feb 28, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Looks good, especially with all the negative news surrounding the Jap auto manufacturers now.

    anticipating the chevrolet cruze too….seen some SNG registered 1s on the road and it definitely looks appealing

    the invasion of the 'Better' koreans

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  • WasTe_BuckET said,

    February 28, 2010 @ 12:49 am

    yup..thats what i had in mind. should be like that. Malaysian have their own unique way of thinking.

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  • Naz@Ford on Feb 28, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    the interior its look like full of plastic to me.. i don't even been thinking to buy a kia car.. but if they can sell the coupe model, maybe i can consider to buy one..

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  • MaxPayne on Feb 28, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    I am a little concerned that the rpm's at 3000 when cruising at 110kph. That seems to be quite high.

    Current Forte owners, any complaints / harshness issues at highway speeds due to the higher rpm?

    Also, does anyone know what the rpm will be for the 2.0 litre version? Read that the final gear ratio is different for the 2.0L model.

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  • elite said,

    February 28, 2010 @ 5:47 am

    proton pers0na n wAja is much better than Forte

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    Hmm I heard that 1.6 Campro CPS in Persona and Waja is better, but forte win on the design-lah. Yeke?

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  • MaxPayne said,

    February 28, 2010 @ 10:11 am

    I am a little concerned that the rpm’s at 3000 when cruising at 110kph. That seems to be quite high.

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    Ya la, mcm Exora, but body exora lagi berat kan? Maybe that is not good comparison. Any Idea?

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  • DugongGoHell on Feb 28, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    Mr VIOSuser,

    You must be a dead fans of Super idiot dugong car….just go somewhere else when u realize that u are so stupid to buy the dugong, waste all your hard earned money for this stupid thing….

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  • Eric G on Feb 28, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    with the N badge, there wouldnt be much2 cheaper price. if this car is produce with K badge, the price would have shoot up around 90-100k for the 1.6 range.

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  • EliteIsStupid on Feb 28, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    elite said,

    February 28, 2010 @ 5:47 am

    proton pers0na n wAja is much better than Forte

    ____________________________________________________________________

    Seems like the statement above come out from a 3 year old child' mouth (if not, so his brain must be filled of grass). Don't forget it is Potong that force us to buy expensive car, and it is Potong also to snatch our hard earned money, it is them to force the malaysian to buy these lousy quality local made car and jack up the other imported car's price just to "protect" their own pocket…..

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  • theanswer on Feb 28, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    kimi_

    what's wrong with u? naza the one who bring this car into our country.. u? who are u? it's not a big deal..just change the logo..u can buy the kia logo also. u dont like the logo..so dont buy the car.

    the 2.0 spec kinda worth it.

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  • BrakeFader on Feb 28, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    Hope this will make the typical bad fuel consumption, no resale value and no spare parts commenters STFU.

    It is a great car with a very good price tag. It is a pity a car this good is only covered with 2 year warranty. 2 YEARS??! Who gives anything less than 3 years now and even more auto companies are extending to 5 years.

    If Naza gives 5 years warranty for the Forte, it will definitely convert more City/Vios customers without much thought.

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  • peter32 (Member) on Feb 28, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    Any star rating for the crash test so far?

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  • NAZA AFTER SALES IS IS VERY BAD!!!!!

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  • zaff1984 on Feb 28, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    elite said,

    February 28, 2010 @ 5:47 am

    proton pers0na n wAja is much better than Forte

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    elite PROVE it !!! not interm of price, of course national car win….

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  • FIXER (Member) on Feb 28, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    fort minor said,

    February 28, 2010 @ 12:16 am

    dang….i’ve written a very long comment without even realising it.hope nobody fell asleep while reading it.sorry Paul & Danny

    >>>I didnt find it boring.I find it interesting.Comments from the owner himself.

    For me the only let down is the gearbox.Only 4-speed.if it is a 5-speed,it will be a winner.But hey,at the price,it is acceptable.I'm sure Kia will improve the Forte further in the next facelift .(hopefully)

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  • cyful on Feb 28, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    is it only in malaysia? front logo is Naza, Steering Wheel is Kia :D

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  • Buy if u like,very low resale value,yes,looks good ,but problematic in the long run,my brother regretted buying a Kia Optima 5 years ago,…again BUY IF U LIKE!!!

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  • jeffcws on Feb 28, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    for me, as ex Kia Spectra user….I would say Forte is indeed a big improvement….the specifications and extra features are no match from Vios or City or any car of its 1.6cc or 1.5cc segment..

    But the prob is the management who is running it, I don't think there are any good control in terms of the 3S…in the town I m living, the Service Centre Sucks Maximum!! I was too dissapointed w them till I have total no regrets to sell off my car eventhough the price is magnificient low in t market… Buying a car is a average of 7 years commitment, company who only know how to sell car but don't know how to maintain customer loyalty will lose out in a competitive market….Kia is good, unfortunately NAZA is not doing a good job to make sure the centres are maintaining their name…..

    Am a proud Vios TRD owner now……not just because the car itself, its a total package I m investing…..

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  • Jaded on Feb 28, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    The rear boot lid is not lined up with the car body. NAZA's factory workers needed to work harder!

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  • 20v_ke35 on Feb 28, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    I want koup!!

    koup!! koup!!! koup!!!!!!

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  • Civic 2.0 club on Feb 28, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    this car look 'okalah' than persona and vios..

    but if forte vs exora ahh exora will win la…

    the meter of the car just look like tracfic ligt..

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  • slayer on Feb 28, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Good price plus excellence design make Forte the best car in the C-segment but…service after sales from Naza really let down plus expensive spare part..get ready to fork out extra of RM$$$

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  • Danny Tan (Member) on Feb 28, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    WasTe_BuckET,

    Thanks for your feedback. As you mentioned in your comment, the Forte wins "hands down" if compared to the Vios and City. I agree that it's a better car than that two, and did mention that in the conclusion.

    So if the Forte is a "hands down" winner, is built to compete in a higher segment, wouldn't we be stating the obvious if we used Vios/City as reference? If we wrote it that way, wouldn't it then be a post dedicated to "step on" those two cars instead of comparing the Forte to the rivals Kia Motors wanted to take on with this car?

    I really like the Forte and I believe I did state (more than once, in fact) how good value it is. But as with most cars, it isn't perfect and the best in every area, and we're just stating our observations. Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and you're welcome to disagree.

    Cheers, have a good week ahead!

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  • WasTe_BuckET,

    agreed with waste_bucket, most reviewer outside malaysia will review this car based on its price. most of malaysian reviewer try hard to look for weakness in korean/proton car but when it come to japanese/perodua car, they will look for their strength and cover the weakness.

    like perodua alza. perodua tell us many time that alza is an mpv but danny/paul review it as a car. thus make it look good despite all the car flaw as an mpv. they also compare the car with persona and waja while perodua sell the car to compete with exora.

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  • whugnef on Feb 28, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    i have a forte 1.6…the FC is around 16 cents per km in city drive…i love this car…the interior is so beautiful and u really cant compare this car with vios or city…

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  • dodgeviper88 on Feb 28, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    erm the picture of the passenger rear lamps if you look at the lines of the lamps it's uneven. Don't know if it's because the boot isn't fully closed or it's just bad assembly by naza.

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  • not-quite-the-auto-j on Feb 28, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    ps , its not Paul that is writing the review, its new contributor Danny.

    @ Max Payne, based on 2.0L 4th ratio @0.713 and Final@ 3.681 , estimated engine rev is 2,500rpm @110 km/h

    pretty close to Civic 2.0 at roughly 2,400 rpm , which has the benefit of the 5th ratio.

    Seems that the 1.6L and the 2.0L shares the same 4 forward ratios, only different final, apparently the 1.6L final is 4.375, hence giving a simulated 110km/h @ 2911 rpm, close to the indicated 3,000 on the dial .(taking into account of speedo error, tacho error, tyre inflation rolling diameter what-not)

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  • Civic 2.0 on Feb 28, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    i think forte vs civic who will win ahh??

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  • S.Roma on Feb 28, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Dear All,

    Lolx ! WTF 4358 !

    WTF – what the fux? nice number !

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  • Gives City and Vios a run for their money.

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  • S.Roma on Feb 28, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    in our country, price determines class for most…so why dont you compare it with rivals similarly priced,such as honda city,toyota vios and hyundai i30?

    ————————————————————–

    I agree 100%. Beter compare with price and cc la. With that price tag of 75000 to 85000, what car u can buy that is the best in terms of everything?

    For me, this is the 1 la… But i dono bout u all out there. This kind of things is too subjective.

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  • Black Dog on Feb 28, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    I agree with Waste_Bucket

    In this segment, price is the no. 1 factor for comparison in Malaysia. I always don't know how to reply when friends ask. You buy Innova? Why don't buy Estima? or..Why buy so small City? Go for Civic lah? My same answer…I know your mom is a woman!

    And we can definately compare the new generation Kia's with the old ones. Those who knows, now is the turning point for Korean cars, so the best time to get one before the price goes up like the Japs.

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  • off topic ,sorrry paul

    this is a new alfa giuletta rear suspension, in a first place its look like a torsion beam arrangemant of suspension setup. but actually its an indipendant multilink, and very flat look . looks like it capable giving good interior space without much of intrusion of suspension component. i wish im right, maybe
    http://green.autoblog.com/gallery/alfa-romeo-giul…

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  • well, I don't really think the forte able to beat the altis and civic in term of pick-up and engine smoothness.

    As an existing owner for Civic, I tested the car Forte on the same day with CIty and still prefer the city in term of engine response and smoothness. Kia still need improvement on the engine but they are well ahead in term of design now.

    They need improvement on engine smoothness to beat the T & H.

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  • esgreat on Feb 28, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    @dodgeviper88:

    It's aligned all right. It looks like more space because it is not 'flat'. It is actually a light and button 2in1, so it is actually "3D". So if you look closely the 'misalignment' is actually part of the button as well. It's just that the viewing angle is slanted and a little dark so you couldn't see it clearly.

    I also heard most of the car was assembled in Korea and only minor assembly was done here (e.g. Naza badge :-) ).

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  • esgreat on Feb 28, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    @dodgeviper88 again:

    Ooops…I looked at the wrong picture, sorry. Yeah it does look slightly misaligned, but I don't think it is going to be very obvious besides the closeup shots.

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  • staff on Feb 28, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    Seen it on the… my OPINION is, it is neatly design, but the exterior just dont has much WOW factor for me to stare at it…

    But, on the ride and performance reviewed written by Danny… it is like the 1.6 is not satisfying enough…

    and on the fuel consumption… is it really 9.2l/100km? that's quite high… my persona the highest is 6.2l/100km…

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  • staff on Feb 28, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    EliteIsStupid said,

    Seems like the statement above come out from a 3 year old child’ mouth (if not, so his brain must be filled of grass). Don’t forget it is Potong that force us to buy expensive car, and it is Potong also to snatch our hard earned money, it is them to force the malaysian to buy these lousy quality local made car and jack up the other imported car’s price just to “protect” their own pocket…..

    __________________

    Dont forget Perodua, NAZA, Inokom….

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  • really like this car…don't care for the 2nd hand value…but really worried 'bout the aftersales services…i live in a small town…any opinion from the forte owner?or at least the previous naza owner?

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  • whugnef on Mar 01, 2010 at 12:18 am

    how can u compare the forte with the city and the vios? because it is similiar priced?? oh come on…it is a c segment car…comparable to the civic and the altis

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  • EliteIsStupid on Mar 01, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Civic 2.0 club said,

    February 28, 2010 @ 12:22 pm

    this car look ‘okalah’ than persona and vios..

    but if forte vs exora ahh exora will win la…

    the meter of the car just look like tracfic ligt..

    _________________________________________

    Yet another stupid made their foolish statement. Exora is a MPV and how can compare to a c segment sedan. Please keep quiet if you didn't study much.

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  • Scuddie on Mar 01, 2010 at 1:08 am

    Yes,it's a c segement car indeed, but price wise,it's comparable to the city and vios..okay? Like the previous fella said,i won't even consider to the civic and altis say if i only have the rm90k budget, thereby which car i should compare with when it come to the buying stage? Please don't narrowed down ur mind and thinking things with exsiting conventionally judgement..

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  • dat is for gamma engine review

    what about 2.0L theta engine?

    want a faster car?

    get toyota, come with "automatic floor mat acceleration mode"!!

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  • whugnef on Mar 01, 2010 at 2:14 am

    the kia IS designed to be compared with the civic and altis..so im thinking naza is making the decision making easier right??

    but truth be told…dun narrow down yr mind..i do not say my kia forte is the best car…but it is the best c segment car for a b segment price…

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  • NAZA badge is real letdown :(

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  • reloving my scirocco on Mar 01, 2010 at 2:43 am

    i tested my cousin's forte (coupe version) in singapore… not to bad la.. i mean a korean car is a korean car… comparing what we first had in spectre to kia forte.. i am rather impress.. great job kia!

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  • Reminds me during those days when ppl bought a Tiara because it was bigger and more value then a kancil, boy pitty those ppl!

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  • oldman on Mar 01, 2010 at 2:50 am

    waste bucket,

    If i was given 90k, i rather buy 3 Viva basic and still some cash to spare… hehe.

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  • oldman on Mar 01, 2010 at 2:55 am

    My general conclusion….if i had my 90K hard earned money, i rather have vios the dugung….since it's reliable and less headache from infamous Nazar services…

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  • Naza doesnt know anything about cars. When they made the Sorento, they slapped on the bodykit totally blocking the intercooler. So no air gets to the intercooler. That was why there were so many problems.They dont even know how and engine works! What idiots they are…

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  • sick&tired on Mar 01, 2010 at 2:57 am

    would you rather pay RM100k for a Kia Forte or RM76k for a Naza Forte, and spend about RM200 to change the emblem to Kia?

    The stupidity of some people seizes to amaze me.

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  • Dont worry guys, the NAZA badge can be changed and it was the FIRST & FOREMOST thing I did b4 driving off from the dealer. Wouldn't be caught dead with NAZA badge on. FUGLY thing. Then I changed the wheel caps as well. Now my car is officially KIAed. hheheheheh. This car is all thumbs up !!!

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  • Thanks for the review Danny. I know that Forte is a load of bull from the get go.

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  • Altis Owner on Mar 01, 2010 at 3:51 am

    Congrats to KIA for having such good and well equipped car, totally hit local car like PROTON (PERDANA >100K LOL). Now even Toyota and Honda should gear up and fear for KOREAN car. I test drive one before and I feel it's a value for money car, although personally i feel my altis is much more comfort (in term of comfort and performance) than forte. Quality wise i feel its a bit dissapointed but its just 80k anyway. Gear change is not as smooth as Toyota. Anyhow we should see Korean car improving in years to come, they are getting better in design,feature and value for money. Proton and Perodua should be ashamed of themself and start producing a better car like Forte for local market.

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  • ngkeejun on Mar 01, 2010 at 4:23 am

    KIA 2.0 ll b superb if come wif 5 gears ..

    2010 forte shape is almost same as 2006 honda civic .

    both car having da same horsepower.

    but da civic come wif 5 gears ,forte only 4 gears, mean civic got betta fuel consumption

    n i think nex generation civic ll b avaible nex year (2011) since average life span of japanese car is roughly 5 yrs.

    for those who wanna buy vios or city ,i think Forte is betta choice

    for those who wanna buy 2nd hand civic , forte is da betta choice still since da market price of civic is 80-90k(too expansive for 4yrs civic )

    hyundai avante 2.0 now is jus rm83k OTR wif 5 yrs warranty (another choise for ppl who wanted to buy viow or city) .

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  • If compare segment will be different already,we can only compare it with Vios and City due to the pricing in Malaysia.

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  • Rather KIAsi than be on Mar 01, 2010 at 5:19 am

    Hi Tan, You are right. Sorento is very unreliable. The fuel injector can crack and Naza did not stock this part. Need to wait plus it is not cheap.

    Any one driving Proton Campro engine had a crack fuel injector???

    Wake up Malaysian

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  • staff said,

    February 28, 2010 @ 3:31 pm

    EliteIsStupid said,

    Seems like the statement above come out from a 3 year old child’ mouth (if not, so his brain must be filled of grass). Don’t forget it is Potong that force us to buy expensive car, and it is Potong also to snatch our hard earned money, it is them to force the malaysian to buy these lousy quality local made car and jack up the other imported car’s price just to “protect” their own pocket…..

    __________________

    Dont forget Perodua, NAZA, Inokom….

    —————————–

    add… DRB Hicom

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  • Elvis on Mar 01, 2010 at 6:24 am

    This is fair review, i love it. Even do, its a bit letdown considering our expectation that Kia Forte will change our view of Korean cars.

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  • esgreat on Mar 01, 2010 at 6:30 am

    @ARX: if it sells at the same price as Civic I'll probably go for the Civic. But at RM82k this bull looks very pretty :-)

    Anything better than my old Iswara is considered good :-)

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  • pekan on Mar 01, 2010 at 6:49 am

    exterior said Naza.. but on steering wheel Kia logo..

    WTF..!!? (pun intended)

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  • endre on Mar 01, 2010 at 7:20 am

    elite said,

    proton pers0na n wAja is much better than Forte

    ——————-

    my previous car was persona, I change to Forte because it has alots of problem. So, I dont agree with you.

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  • endre on Mar 01, 2010 at 7:26 am

    koji said,

    February 28, 2010 @ 7:29 pm

    Dont worry guys, the NAZA badge can be changed and it was the FIRST & FOREMOST thing I did b4 driving off from the dealer. Wouldn’t be caught dead with NAZA badge on. FUGLY thing. Then I changed the wheel caps as well. Now my car is officially KIAed. hheheheheh. This car is all thumbs up !!!

    ————-

    where to get it? I want to change mine.

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  • tokmoh on Mar 01, 2010 at 7:31 am

    sick&tired said,

    February 28, 2010 @ 6:57 pm

    would you rather pay RM100k for a Kia Forte or RM76k for a Naza Forte, and spend about RM200 to change the emblem to Kia?

    The stupidity of some people seizes to amaze me.

    >>>Bullseye, gimme a bro fist, sick&tired!!

    I know the naza badge is not appealing, but do the haters THINK at all of its purpose?

    To haters, wwwwwhy soooooo seeeeeeriiiiiioooooouuuuuusss?

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  • this car have no alarm…

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  • BrakeFader on Mar 01, 2010 at 7:41 am

    Internationally, you would compare Forte with Altis and Civic.

    In Malaysia, due to pricing, you obviously compare Forte with City and Vios.

    I would think a potential Altis/Civic buyer would instead compare with Sonata/Optima instead. Its all about Pricing.

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  • Will_kit on Mar 01, 2010 at 8:38 am

    The Kia badge on the steering and NAZA at the back was quite funny tho….and 1st of its kind in the local car industry..innovative!! Steering and interior looks dull and boring…only the price tag interest me but it is too risky for me to decide…

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  • Maserati on Mar 01, 2010 at 9:03 am

    Its a nice car to look at ,but i personally test drove it and the plastics in the car somehow still feel cheap especially the door opener.

    And the interior still somewhat feels typical korean.

    I know its bang for buck now ,but basically over a period of a 7 year loan,buying this car will make use lose more $$

    So think real good before you buy.It almost there but still not quite there yet.

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  • scottloeb on Mar 01, 2010 at 9:17 am

    the gear is a letdown. I've test driven it as well and for the stuff they throw in 1.6 sx, man its really worth it. City is more responsive due to the gear ( 4 + OD – 5) and the pedal shifter are kewl. But this car with keyless entry, digital air cond, 17 inch oh just too much value. And the drive is just right for me, a middle age young parent. We dont speed that much as we used to like when we were younger, say 21?

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  • c14man on Mar 01, 2010 at 9:46 am

    numbers and specs look only as good as on papers.

    for serious buyers, test drive all your comparison models within the same day. and feel the difference in terms of comfort, smoothness, stability, handling, etc etc. drive the test cars the way you usually drive your car, and add some harsh driving because everyone does that once a while. =p

    numbers may look good… but maybe you want to travel in something comfortable and smooth. at the end of the day, it's about getting what you are looking for in a car. it is not always the same as what others are saying. commenting about a car is easy. actually committing a few years into it is another story. =)

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  • nabill on Mar 01, 2010 at 10:04 am

    u get the feeling buyers get this car purely based on looks and price , seems everyting else is jus average and it doesnt actually excel in any one particular area , i gues buyers dont mind sacrificing everything else since it looks good ….

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  • WasTe_BuckET on Mar 01, 2010 at 10:09 am

    Danny Tan said,

    February 28, 2010 @ 12:46 pm

    WasTe_BuckET,

    Thanks for your feedback. As you mentioned in your comment, the Forte wins “hands down” if compared to the Vios and City. I agree that it’s a better car than that two, and did mention that in the conclusion.

    So if the Forte is a “hands down” winner, is built to compete in a higher segment, wouldn’t we be stating the obvious if we used Vios/City as reference? If we wrote it that way, wouldn’t it then be a post dedicated to “step on” those two cars instead of comparing the Forte to the rivals Kia Motors wanted to take on with this car?

    I really like the Forte and I believe I did state (more than once, in fact) how good value it is. But as with most cars, it isn’t perfect and the best in every area, and we’re just stating our observations. Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and you’re welcome to disagree.

    Cheers, have a good week ahead!

    _________________________________________________________________________

    yup..i agree…it will be too obvious if you compare with toyota vios and honda city…but Naza's intention to bring this 1.6 car in the market to compete with those rivals..so to compare engine refinement of a 1.6 litre car to the bigger cc rival which kia intended the car is still isnt fair..dont you think so?

    if you did a test drive of 2.0 litre forte can compare the engine with the likes of honda or toyota..i would have agreed..but its not fair to compare engine refinement with a bigger cc and more powerful rivals..

    Proton waja is a C class car with new engine,and still selling..but can we compare it with honda civic or a toyota altis?would it be fair first of all?

    Nissan slyphy has 1.5 cc car..which can also rival toyota vios and honda city and its is in certain market..so can we compare it with honda civic 1.8/2.0 or toyota altis and say there is not enough refinement in term of transmission,highway cruising ,3000rpm at 110km/h and etc?

    kia intended the car to rival C class cars..but it has also made it a bargain to match lower class competitor..so i guess its would better to compare the better and more powerful 2.0 with the current C class rivals..

    imagine if you were doin a road test drive like you used to in Autocar asia…will you bring a kia forte 1.6 to compare against honda civic 1.8, altis 1.8 and sylphy 2.0? u wouldnt i guess..

    anyway thanks for answering me..appreciate it alot..maybe i read you review not the way u intended to convey us..thanks once again…

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  • infinity on Mar 01, 2010 at 10:40 am

    This is smth like the exora..a bit underpower, interior plastic so-so, performance so-so, a bit good here and there, above average in certain area..lots of accessories..and finally, the price makes it win its competitor..haha

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  • alyy8128 on Mar 01, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    1st, it is just coincident or just accidently the car plate is again WTF. Is it mean, get lost "Naza"a and put back the Kia's badge?

    2nd, it is just coincident or just accidently Mr Photographer take the meter with "fuel consumption"? The 9.2l/100km is really horrible.

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  • ali baba on Mar 01, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    the bonnet is not level with body at rear

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  • fazron80 on Mar 01, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    If there is a manual option the price can be cheaper to attract more potential buyers. Like toyota vios J. Price do influence malaysian car buyers.

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  • another WTF after ALZA

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  • osh_kosh on Mar 01, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    Civic 2.0 club said,

    February 28, 2010 @ 12:22 pm

    this car look ‘okalah’ than persona and vios..

    but if forte vs exora ahh exora will win la…

    the meter of the car just look like tracfic ligt..

    ———————————–

    what? the only thing that exora have the upper hand is space!! but who will compare a sedan with a mpv???

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  • Mufasa on Mar 01, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    If i was given 90k, i rather but one low cost apartment…and keep use my current proton car…. dont waste money aa….

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  • manGuy on Mar 01, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Like the price, hopefully this will setup benchmarking price for other makers esp T & H and malaysians will open their eyes on the overpriced T & H (which i think should be a lot lower)

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  • hi..i myself drive a 2005 vios G spec. so far, she never let me down, maintenance also cheap..

    to me, the vios still champion especially when overtaking… furthermore it has O/D button… which the forte doesnt has…

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  • Peter on Mar 01, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    I will only get this model from CBU from KIA……….Not even thinking of getting a CKD model from NAZA even if it is cheaper……….No thanks………

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  • sujak on Mar 01, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    would you rather pay RM100k for a Kia Forte or RM76k for a Naza Forte, and spend about RM200 to change the emblem to Kia?

    The stupidity of some people seizes to amaze me.

    SAMA CAR, WITH KIA BADGE U NEED PAY MORE , BUT NAZA BADGE U SAVE A LOT. WHO CARE? – BEST CAR OF THE YEARS

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  • Centurio-Cohors Prim on Mar 01, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Looks good.nice.wont beat the [email protected] will surely beat em in terms of value for money.yes.nice one KIA

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  • Arse90 on Mar 01, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    Okays. i've recently taken delivery of my naza-kia forte 1.6sx. i was thinking that since naza has horrendous service, i would get my car in more then a week's time but surprisingly, i got it 4days later after i got my loan approved. maybe its the branch i bought it from or maybe it is an improvement. i dun know. anyways back to the car, first impressions are that it is a superbly built car. The interior is way better then the ones found in the city and the vios. both the vios and the city get washing machine dials from the 80s as the air-cond controls and a ghastly bright silver centre piece as if i bought the silver aerosol from a hardware shop. whereas the one in the forte are buttons making it feel like a premium car. The looks of the car is dynamic. but i would say that the pick up is average in D-mode and slightly better in M-mode. other complains abt the car is that the sound system's bass is slightly to much even turning off the bass. Even with hard driving, i got 8.5L/100KM so im not really sure how danny was driving. perhaps he was pushing the car to the limit? im not sure hehe. FYI the 17inchers have a reminisence from the audi s6. overall, i dun think the forte would be a class leader as this car's purpose is to just change the people's mindset about kia. class leading kias woulld come in later. and buying a car and then considering about resale value isn't reall petrolheadish(at least its what i think) buying a car is more of an emotive choice isn't it?

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  • wochomi on Mar 01, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    People always compare spec on paper… 4-gears, 5-gears, 7-gears…. pedal shifter… but then again nothing wrong with extras. I wear a G-shock 200mtr water resist, I'm not going to dive to 100mtrs (dynamic pressure more than static pressure)…. The thing is… we're behaving like kids comparing those playing cards with picture of cars and details like topspeed, cc, weight, cylinders… I wonder if you guys played that before…. better read comments from those people who owns one or test drive it before.

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  • adrian on Mar 01, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    cmc80 said,

    February 27, 2010 @ 8:20 pm

    it really worth.

    somebody said korean car no second value…

    example…

    kia forte price RM 75K

    toyota altis RM 110K

    after 6 years

    kia forte value RM 25K (example)

    toyota altis value RM 55K (example)

    so,

    kia forte -RM 50K

    toyota altis -RM 55K

    i feel that if kia brand is famous…

    kia forte will sold in RM 100K above…

    so RM 75K is worth… no need to afraid about the second value…

    it is nothing different than others like toyota…!

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Bought a 2003 Vios 1.5E for RM 74,700. Trade in value at RM 48k. Thats a drop of only 36% over a 6.5 yr period. Can the Kia Forte get this high resale value? Of course not. So that is the difference between a Toyota badge and a Kia badge. Not to mention the difference in after sale service standards, price of service itself and quality. Many compare specs against price. But buying a car is a long term investment which covers items mentioned above.

    Yes the Vios will not compare against the new City or the Forte in terms of specs but value for money is not merely compared in terms of specs only. Only Toyota owners will know the difference. But in saying this i hope the Forte sells well. Toyota and Honda need a competitor.

    Cheers!

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  • V50 T5 Heico Sportiv on Mar 01, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    A Swedish girlfriend is hotter, I tell ya! LOL! Especially the one in red

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  • profiler on Mar 01, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Public Comments : "Spare parts of korean made cars are expensive". How true is that? Appreciate feedback from those korean made car owners

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  • Ordinary Joe on Mar 01, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    Many don't like the NAZA badge, understood. But without it, it would have cost u more and u'd be stuck for choice with the boring Vios and City in that price segment…

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  • Jumbsuck on Mar 01, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    If on actual badge KIA the price gotta be RM50K open market.

    But sadly NAP said with Naza badge add more RM20K.

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  • I want to know about the aftersales service and price of parts.

    Last time I surveyed a Sephia and it costs way too much to service and even one simple air filter cost an arm and a leg.

    This Forte may look the part and be worth its rice, but most people will complain about the exorbitant price to maintain a Korean car and probably sell it off for a Toyota or a Honda 2 years later.

    Kudos to Kia for making their cars nicer. Boo to Naza for their rubbish and exorbitantly priced service centers.

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  • KaiMun on Mar 01, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    well.. let's face the fact..

    why so worry about the 2nd hand value..

    buy it and drive it till it die..

    it is very very worth in term of Price and the Std Accessories that they have given..

    Dugong and City is really too much for such a small car..

    yes! FC, Reliability and 2nd Hand value might be alot better than Forte..

    but hey, the feel of riding on a C-segment car and B-segment car is really a big different..

    I've test drive the Forte 1.6SX. Lack of Power when sudden acceleration..

    17" + 215 wide tyres + Heavy Body Weight contributes to it..

    cornering wise is not as confidence as Proton's Lotus Tuned suspension..

    but is not really bad for a C-segment car..

    corner is just slightly worst than Altis..

    Ride comfort is very much design for a family car..

    i personally preferred to ride in a Civic…

    Rear Seats is not as wide as Civic, but is comfortable enough…

    at least rear seating level is slightly higher than Civic..

    therefore my "spare tire" can have a lighter pressure…

    Yes, the car design is a lil plain.. but although it is plain,

    it carries out it's own simple and elegant style…

    not many can do such a design..

    Lastly, this is a very very value for $$ car..

    i'm waiting eagerly for the 2.0SX to get a test drive..

    i hope that the power won't let me down..again as the 1.6SX…

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  • Gen2 Biru Muda on Mar 01, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Nice to see…nice to hold…once breken consider sold

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  • Mad Cat on Mar 01, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Wow so many badge-haters. None of the same for Perodua and Inokom, strangely. Like ngkeejun said, if not for the badge you'll be paying RM105-110k or thereabouts for the Forte 1.6SX.

    The airbag badge is still Kia so u've just gotta change front, rear and wheelcap badges. No one stopping you from doing that and you've gotta thank that badge for saving you RM20k. It's a good thing the wheels are still OE Kia Motors stuff. I've driven this car for a short test drive and it's nothing to be sneezed at!

    People who say a Vios or City is better may not have tested all 3 cars back to back. I politely suggest they do so before commenting.

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  • loveMazda3 on Mar 01, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    to be honest, this Kia/Naza Forte is a head turner than a boring vios or city..

    but if you a budget 100K.. go for 2.0. more enjoyable to drive.

    p/s. love this car but currently saving for my Mazda3 hatch.. this will be the second in my list…

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  • sick&tired on Mar 01, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    izso, don't use the sephia as a bencmark la. Its a old piece of shit. Korean cars have come a long way since then. I am driving a Kia Rio 1.4, and the maintenance is similar to that of a Proton (but better quality). Most people who comment about korean cars are not owners. And if they do own a korean car, they are suckers, as there are a lot of OEM parts available.

    The Naza Forte is a damn fine car. I honestly do not know why people would rather get the vios (other then the fact its a toyota, which BTW also has quality problems, stuck peddle)

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  • intermilan on Mar 01, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Wah.. so many arguments on the basis of the comparison.

    A comparison that is divided into 2 sections:

    1) by car segment – so compared with civic, altis,slyphy, 308, mazda3, lancer and

    2) by price range – so against vios, city, sx4, latio, etc

    Could satisfy almost everyone. But the pricing of the forte really cause this 'confusion'.

    A C-segment car with B-segment car price? That's a big win already.

    But of course, the forte isn't a perfect car. and Naza after sales posed a valid concern.

    Naza badge outside but Kia badge on steering?

    Well, to the guys who can't seem to understand why is that…

    Naza is expecting buyers to change the Naza badges to Kia badge.

    But to change the steering wheel badge (if it Naza) is very costly / troublesome to owner.

    So Naza maintain the Kia badge. This will make changing badges on the car (from Naza to Kia) much more cheaper coz no need to spend a lot in changing the steering wheel badge.

    Just to change the steering wheel badge, you usually need to but the WHOLE steering wheel airbag assembly (where the bagde is located). Steering wheel aibag is expensive. Cost? Easily RM1,000.

    Now hopefully you guys understand why they did this.

    And badging it as Naza Forte helps in getting lower Goverment excise and sale tax (than being badge as a Kia). This allow Naza to sell it cheaper.

    H&T Malaysia distributors must be 'panas hati' with Naza since Forte directly compete with their B&C segments offerings.

    Talk about killing two birds with one stone. So, instead of saying Naza are stupid (for doing all these), you should see that they are very clever, actually.

    Know the fact and industry rules before throwing harsh words and comments around.

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  • kaber hero on Mar 01, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    People will choose Forte rather than Vios/City

    but

    People will buy Vios/City rather than Forte…..

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  • sick&tired : Dude, Your RIO has the same maintenance costs as a Proton what exactly? I'm interested to know this. My Wira has the lowest maintenance cost among all the cars I've ever done research on. And you're right, the Sephia is a load of crap. LOL. The Rio is quite nice to look at though. But I've been sceptical about the maintenance costs since Sephia, Spectra and the big MPV owners have been complaining about high maintenance costs.

    But then again, Wira is ancient tech and ancient everything. So perhaps I'm comparing unfairly.

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  • rickyll on Mar 01, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    Thanks Danny for such a good, fair and in depth review. Parts of it especially on the technical side really widen my scope of perspective about car. You never mentioned about the FC of the Forte. I have been driving a Forte SX 1.6 for the past two and a half month. My comments about it are as follow:

    i) It's a great car to drive: quiet, comfortable,spacious, powerful(by my standard) and easy handling.

    ii) the 17 inch alloy wheels with low profile tyres transmit quite a lot of noise especially on rough surfaces into the cabin.

    iii) the six-speaker audio system produces decent surround sound.

    iv)the electrochromic rear view mirror really helps alot in night driving.

    v)during my last drive from Penang to KL, I found that the car was very stable at 130 km/h though I didn't notice the rpm. My son did it past 140 km/h during his recent trip to Cameron Highland, he did mention about the buzzing sound being quite significant.

    vi) being the first 500 Forte owners, I was given a gift pack of goodies. With it, there was a questionaire that required my comments. I put down a few comments and faxed it back to NAZA KIA Customers Service Department. To my surprise, they called me back and tried to address my comments or complaints one by one. I was deeply touched. I hope they are not just paying lips service. For Kia to prosper, Naza's 3 S should be up graded.

    vii)Lastly, the only draw back about Forte is its fuel consumption. I have done more than 6000 km now, the average FC for my Forte is 7.8 to 8.2 l/100km for city cum highway drive. For daily city drive and to and fro from workplace is about 9.8 to 10.5 l/100 km.

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  • Paul Tan on Mar 01, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    Thanks for all the owner reviews so far. Hope that more come to share here if you own a Forte.

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  • sudirman on Mar 02, 2010 at 12:03 am

    Love the look front and rear view…but the side view xspecialy the doors o plain….

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  • Mad Cat on Mar 02, 2010 at 12:10 am

    If FC for a Forte 1.6L is 7.8~8.2L/100km for highway and 9.8~10.5L/100km, what does a Civic 1.8L get you, realistically?

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  • ezralimm on Mar 02, 2010 at 12:17 am

    c14man said,

    March 1, 2010 @ 1:46 am

    numbers and specs look only as good as on papers.

    for serious buyers, test drive all your comparison models within the same day. and feel the difference in terms of comfort, smoothness, stability, handling, etc etc. drive the test cars the way you usually drive your car, and add some harsh driving because everyone does that once a while. =p

    —————————————————————-

    The most sense in the _whole_ thread.

    If I were in the market for a car, I will personally try out the City, Vios, and Forte. Not sure if it's the same segment, but the RM60k top of the line persona should be given a chance as well.

    Love the looks of the new forte, especially the Coupe version of it. Time will tell if it is reliable or not. Previous generation Kia's have been known to be dodgy, especially their baseline models like the Rio.

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  • 4G63tDSM on Mar 02, 2010 at 12:31 am

    izso said,

    March 1, 2010 @ 2:45 pm

    sick&tired : Dude, Your RIO has the same maintenance costs as a Proton what exactly? I’m interested to know this. My Wira has the lowest maintenance cost among all the cars I’ve ever done research on.

    Of course you are right. But the Wira has been around for 17 years, and there are plenty of parts available from Taiwan and China. This is what makes it cheap. Don't even assume "body" parts for a Saga LMST is anywhere near cheap from Proton, a broken headlamp can cost you dearly….likewise goes to the newer Proton cars…

    Even the old old Benz W123 and 124 has cheap aftermarket parts from Thailand.

    You ain't comparing apples and apples anymore

    KIA's (and basically everyone else) will have to deal with more expensive parts to begin with, and I am sure Naza would happily put a healthy markup on those.

    If anything, the 2.0 would be decent….I drove the Koup 2.4 recently and it didn't feel that much quick….partly because you are so well insulated, and probably I didn't really push it given I haven't driven a LHD for a while.

    For me, I'm still waiting for Naza to fix the Rondo's 2nd row seat. Unfortunately need something bigger than the Forte or I would have already ordered the 2.0. I have time so I can wait…maybe a good used deal might just pop my way….

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  • pomen_gtr on Mar 02, 2010 at 12:48 am

    this forte definately better than p1 wajunk…..

    get this one if u plant to buy a brand new waja,,,

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  • s.subramaniam on Mar 02, 2010 at 1:09 am

    All cars are pretty good. Depreciation more or less. Enjoy short live with whatever you have.

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  • oldwira on Mar 02, 2010 at 1:54 am

    Undoubtedly, Forte is good buy, much better than Dugongs and Transformers in price. Proton should follow Kia steps if they want to play in the global market.

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  • wochomi on Mar 02, 2010 at 1:55 am

    There's an option to have the Naza badge NOT glued on but delivered to buyer in mint condition. So you guys can paste the logo of your choice. Try VW or Quake or Playboy. Ask the salesman and see..

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  • FYI, rear and front KIA emblems can easily be found. I got mine for free from the sales agent as freebies. No regrets getting a Forte.

    Initially I was also thinking of getting a city/civic. But it did feel kind of 'stupid' spending so much on the brand alone whereas Forte offered soooo much for much less price. The Push/Start and keyless feature never fails to give me a certain high everytime I use them. hhahahahh . Can't stand City 'transformer grill' and Civic doesnt come with a USB .. WTF ! Forte came at the right time, nice looks at a nice price.

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  • turbo on Mar 02, 2010 at 2:16 am

    this will be my next car, but wait till proton comes out with lancer first, and see how it goes.

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  • SY0H (Member) on Mar 02, 2010 at 3:01 am

    Regardless of the pros and cons on KIA, at least there are way better than Proton. End.

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  • alldisc on Mar 02, 2010 at 4:09 am

    i think the naza badge entitles the model as a national cars, hence the cheap prices. with Kia badges, the price may increase to 100K. maybe la. dont shoot me. i dont know anything.

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  • Mazda 3 MPS + ANTI P on Mar 02, 2010 at 4:51 am

    KIA is SEXY

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  • CaR LoVeR on Mar 02, 2010 at 5:16 am

    It seems that Honda has increase their price. Let start supporting Korean car. Then we can see a higher resale value.

    Honda and Toyota is really a blood sucker

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  • acerman on Mar 02, 2010 at 5:22 am

    Mazda 3 MPS + ANTI PROTON ULTRAS said,

    March 1, 2010 @ 8:51 pm

    KIA is SEXY

    _______________________________________________________________________

    Which part? Sensual thinking, eh?

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  • Abzaja on Mar 02, 2010 at 5:25 am

    Aiyoh…badge punya hal pon nak complain ke? too many spoiled kids reading this blog…please laa don't whine like a school girl. Why people keep repeating their dissatisfaction on the emblem? after buy you change laa the badge. I believe most of them are not even plan to buy the car, just like to troll around i guess…please comment on other aspect okey….peace

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  • Mad Cat on Mar 02, 2010 at 6:53 am

    I don't believe the badge bashers are rational folks who are actually buying cars. It's just an emblem. One you can benefit from (OTR price), and change to suit your tastes later.

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  • Rodowner on Mar 02, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Execellent just have to agreed with Waste_Bucket in point..

    1.imagine if you were doin a road test drive like you used to in Autocar asia…will you bring a kia forte 1.6 to compare against honda civic 1.8, altis 1.8 and sylphy 2.0? u wouldnt i guess..

    2.if you did a test drive of 2.0 litre forte can compare the engine with the likes of honda or toyota..i would have agreed..but its not fair to compare engine refinement with a bigger cc and more powerful rivals..

    Proton waja is a C class car with new engine,and still selling..but can we compare it with honda civic or a toyota altis?would it be fair first of all?

    So what the Reviewer just tell us to compare rival with a bigger class would just be saying that how dumb are we in auto sector and why not compare Rondo against Alza..u probably wouldn't as its the national pride

    Please give a fair review and justifically comparing against rivals otherwise the credibilty of our auto journo are tarnish by just one foolish apple..

    After 18 years of having 4 national pride and Rondo was alos my first Korean and will be getting my forte soon for my daily necessity so pls for once just give a FAIR REVIEW with the Right Comparisons

    Cheers,

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  • still considering Forte..so many + points..huh!

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  • WhiteForteR on Mar 02, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    For those who can't help critisizing Vios owers, pls stop your badmouthing.

    This is a matter of freedom in a free country.

    What if someone else calling Forte owers idiots?

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  • i owned an altis1.8E 2009 model, considering to change it to forte for cost cutting, live in alor star

    visited AS dealer but there are no test drive unit

    called naza kia in auto city to ask for test drive, but the person picking up the phone told that if i want to test only, there will be no chance for me as they are only entertaining anyone who really want to buy

    what are the business like this?how can i buy a car without test it? damn NAZA.. guess how will they entertain me after buying the car

    never wonder why many people commenting many bad story about NAZA after sales

    so? cancel my plan

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  • endre on Mar 02, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    afam said,

    March 2, 2010 @ 11:40 am

    ————-

    too bad if you have such experience. but in KL / Selangor I never heard such complain.

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  • wallstreet on Mar 02, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    Naza has the privilege to bring this nice car price down but at the same time they also bring their service quality down..For many years, NAZA service quality still sucks big time!! By virtual of their poor service quality, it will only bring this already low resale value even lower. Kia has improved tremendously but NAZA same as our G, still sleeping. Mazda 2 will be a better buy for now. I believe it will receive good response for this World Car of the Year recipient.

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  • speedracer on Mar 02, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    In my oppinion, NAZA somewhat very smart..they know Forte wont be able to cut it in the C segment…solution – lower the price at Vios, City category…Why pay extra for an overly price and crappy dugong face thai mari Vios? owh…its a Toyota..hey, they're facing some really bad issues going on now around the globe woi!…the boss admit it…but Malaysian Toyota still sombong…ego…piiirah…Honda also the same…pricing lari…someday those Korean that we all kutuk2 will be at the top…

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  • speedracer on Mar 02, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    AFAM: Jangan bohong lah oi!!…

    I went to NAZA PJ back in 2005, simply asking to test out a Civic type R…they hand over the keys with ease lah!! pusing2 kat dalam ajer lah…janji bagi! Nak tengok Porsche? Merc? Ferrari? No problem lah…they bring in the keys for you too…the question is YOU ada berani ka? Because of this i came back…not for the civic type R lah, but Forte…bought one…SX…White…ready to take it out tomorrow….plus minus 3 weeks in process (plus chinese new year cuti)…Buat Story = Masuk Neraka!! Hati bersih = Masuk Syurga!!

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  • endre on Mar 03, 2010 at 1:23 am

    afam said,

    March 2, 2010 @ 11:40 am

    i owned an altis1.8E 2009 model, considering to change it to forte for cost cutting, live in alor star

    visited AS dealer but there are no test drive unit

    called naza kia in auto city to ask for test drive, but the person picking up the phone told that if i want to test only, there will be no chance for me as they are only entertaining anyone who really want to buy

    what are the business like this?how can i buy a car without test it? damn NAZA.. guess how will they entertain me after buying the car

    never wonder why many people commenting many bad story about NAZA after sales

    so? cancel my plan

    ————————-

    Unbelievable, you said you owned an Altis 1.8 2009 still want to trade for Forte 2010 ?? Less then one year old Altis. Is it cost a lot to owned an Altis 1.8? Why want to change to Forte. Are you telling the truth or not or you are just another competitor salesman

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  • GadgetFreq on Mar 03, 2010 at 6:27 am

    rickyll, arse90, waste_bucket, fort minor and starghazzer thanks for sharing your experience & opinions. Hope more people have great (educated) comments like you guys in here. Unlike some brand fanboy with a crappy issue.

    For anybody want to read a real comment for Forte… head to this fella comments "rickyll, arse90, waste_bucket, fort minor and starghazzer"

    Yup…i do agree this car "looks" comfortable… For me as long this car can overtake something doing less 60km/h in the highway, keep me comfortable in long traffic jam and long journey plus less head ache on the maintenance… Yup… its a great choice and bargain.

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  • PokTeh on Mar 03, 2010 at 6:37 am

    Luv at first try more than a month ago. Loan has already been approved. But I'm still waiting for forte 1.6sx. What is happening?

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  • speedracer on Mar 03, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Fort Minor: Lu mmg hero…cun comment..

    VIOSuser: Dont perasan lah woi…Soldier konon!…You only have a japanese dugong la…not a beautiful japanese mermaid…of course its easier to dump a dugong since its a…Dugong!! – stupid, tak lawa, lembab…and the worst part is after you dump the first dugong you're going in for another dugong…kahkahkahkah…you a soldier? heheh not yet lah…

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  • proton putra power g on Mar 04, 2010 at 12:28 am

    hahahahahahaha..

    my ageing proton putra way much better than this junkies bin jokers@!

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  • Mr Tom from china on Mar 04, 2010 at 3:09 am

    I presently reside in china and owned KIA forte premium eq. to SX in malaysia, this car cost RMB125000 on the road in china (after 0.5 tax cut), with this price, i get smart key system, front airbag, 16inch tyre, sunroof, 6 speakers, leather seat, suspension system is not as good as MY one, not eletrochromic mirror, esp is a drawback the rest is abt the same. I installed 7inch DVD/GPS/TV/Reverse view, tweeter+woofer, eletrochromic mirror, LED door panel+door light, 17 OZ WTR wheel with Michelin MVX8 tyre cost me RMB10200. Ride in this car is not comfortable using the old 16'tyres but is all different after using michelin tyre, quite and less bumpy drive. KIA image has improved in recent years after the new design and family image. Kudo to KIA, Car is good, only thing to improve is the after sales service.

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  • wat is so bad about toyota? especially vios?besides the design…..i saw alot of ppl bashing it like no tomorrow….btw,I drive a BMW ……not a 'dugong' owner…so don flame me for being curious….

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  • pomen_gtr on Mar 04, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    hhh said,

    March 4, 2010 @ 10:19 am

    wat is so bad about toyota? especially vios?besides the design…..i saw alot of ppl bashing it like no tomorrow….btw,I drive a BMW ……not a ‘dugong’ owner…so don flame me for being curious….

    _______________________________________________________

    u know why???because it was the only affordable "other" brands of cars…but by driving that so called dugong make the driver think waahhhh..i'm driving an import cars….my pride is so high…i could drive 80km/h in the fast lane….i could pickup hot chick at pub n bistro…i could drive at the between 2 lanes blocking other people….

    and most important…. since i was driving cheap imports car (so called pure japan car) i can bash all over P1 and P2 user…..

    #that's what in their all about….and thats explain why other people soooooo mad and those pretenders….

    in fact….vios was entry model cars and can easily comparable to base line gen2….(even with saga BLM if BLM 1.6 available for mass market)

    p/s:don't blame me…truth is truth….it is what most..but not applicable to all….siapa makan cili dah tentu la terasa pedas…..so i can easily trace who is actually here doing what i've wrote above and who wasn't….u decide..

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  • Forte is really a nice car!!!!!!

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  • It gives me total pleasure, fulfills all my requirements and every sen spend on it 100% worthwhile! I've been a proud owner of a Forte since early February and have never regretted it for a single minute. Whoever says Forte is a less than average car ought to eat their own words as I am 100% overly satisified with it!!!

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  • cybermaster98 on Mar 04, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    MO said,

    March 4, 2010 @ 1:26 pm

    It gives me total pleasure, fulfills all my requirements and every sen spend on it 100% worthwhile! I’ve been a proud owner of a Forte since early February and have never regretted it for a single minute. Whoever says Forte is a less than average car ought to eat their own words as I am 100% overly satisified with it!!!

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Have u heard of any new car owner saying their car is crap after just a few months? Of course not! Even a Kancil owner will say the same thing. Common man!

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  • cybermaster98 on Mar 04, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    MO said,

    March 4, 2010 @ 1:22 pm

    Forte is really a nice car!!!!!!

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Besides, what car were u driving before u bought the Forte?

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  • Many thanks for your prompt comment.

    Bottom-line is I have not regretted purchasing a Forte – please lar man, even though this car may not be the best car in the world BUT it definitely is not the worst if compared to other crap four-wheelers in the same category!

    It doesn't matter what I was driving before. I was deciding btwen Vios, City, Latio and Forte. I chose Forte despite most of my friends rejecting it but now most of them are praising me because it really is a good car!

    Thanks again.

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  • cybermaster98 on Mar 04, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    MO said,

    March 4, 2010 @ 2:27 pm

    Many thanks for your prompt comment.

    Bottom-line is I have not regretted purchasing a Forte – please lar man, even though this car may not be the best car in the world BUT it definitely is not the worst if compared to other crap four-wheelers in the same category!

    It doesn’t matter what I was driving before. I was deciding btwen Vios, City, Latio and Forte. I chose Forte despite most of my friends rejecting it but now most of them are praising me because it really is a good car!

    Thanks again.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    They're surely prasing u cuz of the looks and the specs. Nothing else. Did u read my posts earlier? A good car is mostly determined by 6 factors:

    1) Specs

    2) Quality

    3) Value for money

    4) After sales service standards

    5) Cost of maintenance & spare parts

    6) Resale value

    I doubt any car has all 5 qualities. But the Forte only has No 1 and No 3 going for it currently. I dont think that qualifies it as a 'good' car. It may qualify under the 'feel good' category.

    The Vios has No 2, 4, 5 & 6 going for it. The Honda City probably has No 1, 2, 5 & 6. I dont rank these cars as value for money as i think they are over-priced. But still these 2 cars are ahead of the Forte in other departments. I think the Honda City is still a better buy although im a Toyota user.

    But like i said before, lets see what u say about your car in say 3 yrs time. Im quite sure ull be singing a different tune. Happens with most of the Kia and Hyundai owners (alot of hype in the beginning and then it dies off). And i know that u probably werent driving either a Toyota or a Honda before this or else ull know the difference immediately.

    Anyway, have a nice ride.

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  • saimatkong on Mar 04, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    I'm loving it…to forte owner come join us in the next upcoming TT which will be announced soon! Stay Tuned.

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  • I wanted a car that is not too expensive, stylish and yet functional. Any car's maintenance would not be cheap after 3 years and despite what being said, there are tonnes of NAZA-badged cars in the market as not many can afford the > RM100k cars. I did not consider Vios and City as it is definitely not value for money.

    City and Vios, I've driven both before and it is nothing near the > RM100k models eg. Altis and Civic. Latio is quite ok though. Latio's performance is really good as it is a JDM as compared to Vios and City which are Asian cars. That car was produced in collaboration with Renault too. But it looks very weird especially the backside.

    Thank you for your motoring experience and will seek your advise if needed be.

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  • cybermaster98 on Mar 05, 2010 at 12:47 am

    MO said,

    March 4, 2010 @ 4:40 pm

    I wanted a car that is not too expensive, stylish and yet functional. Any car’s maintenance would not be cheap after 3 years and despite what being said, there are tonnes of NAZA-badged cars in the market as not many can afford the > RM100k cars. I did not consider Vios and City as it is definitely not value for money.

    City and Vios, I’ve driven both before and it is nothing near the > RM100k models eg. Altis and Civic. Latio is quite ok though. Latio’s performance is really good as it is a JDM as compared to Vios and City which are Asian cars. That car was produced in collaboration with Renault too. But it looks very weird especially the backside.

    Thank you for your motoring experience and will seek your advise if needed be.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Why do u keep comparing low end models with higher end models? Why cant u compare an apple with an apple? Whats the logic in comparing a Vios and a Altis?? If it were the same would anybody buy the Altis? Common man. U gotta talk sense

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  • cybermaster98 on Mar 05, 2010 at 12:56 am

    Plus ure wrong when u say any car's maintenance wont be cheap after 3 yrs. U obviously have NOT serviced a Toyota or a Honda. Have u ever serviced any car for that matter? I suggest u read ALL the posts above before making ridiculous comparisons.

    My Vios is almost 7 yrs old and the normal service costs me only about RM 250 with fully syn engine oil. It doesnt cost much cuz there arent many parts to replace since the build quality is good. U try servicing a 7 yr old Kia / Hyundai and see how much your bill comes to. Ive serviced a 4 yr old Kia Spectra and its normal service came up to almost RM 390. A Kia Picanto's service with an ATF change costs about RM 750. Go visit a few Kia service centres yorself and then tell me whether ALL car makes will have high maintenance bills.

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  • Service cost on Mar 05, 2010 at 1:13 am

    Anyone knows average service cost for Forte? Kia always have high maintenance and service…

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  • pomen_gtr on Mar 05, 2010 at 1:30 am

    cybermaster….

    7years service your toyota with full syn. EO cost u rm250????

    wow….service alone would cost u that much?

    now try beat almost 10years old proton waja (year 99) with castrol egde full syn EO+original oil filter which only cost me less than rm200….

    EO:rm130

    OF:rm20

    labour:free (i do it by myself)

    :)

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  • As a buyer, I think Forte have get the most tick from the buyer points of view. It's not just value for money but the feeling when you seat inside the car is totally different. Being driven many cars from the day I receive my driving license, from both national cars to japanse rides and also continental cars. I personally found that Forte have the feel of continental cars. It ride firmly and good sound insulation comparing to vios & city. I sign for Forte SX after a test drive without an initial plan of changing my 2yrs plus Toyota Vios which I think to have a very good FC and good service. I also test drive the new Honda City and Honda civic, I just can't get the same kind of solid feel. City have very poor noise insulation and boring center dashboard. Seating inside civic is just so boring although it looks great from the outside. It's just feel like a typical japanse car, low FC and high resell value & good service which is in the people mindset. I would say Forte 1.6SX is not the most complete but 2.0SX will be the most perfact match. It will rival civic in many ways. If your life is just about resell value and maintenance, than just go for typical japanses car or maybe national car. If value life experience and want to enjoy life and make your life more meaningfull, Forte SX is a right car for you. People who buy BMW, Merc, Audi don't bother about the maintenance cost and resell value, but they value the driving experience and confortability.

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  • In my ex career, I have the oppoturnity to drove many new cars from our national pride, korean car, India car, japanense cars, continental cars and even comercial vehicles. I have seem each of the brand improving and some are just maintening and having access to their manufacturing plant and meet most of the automotive part vendors. Proton was once a time very week and require a lot of goverment protection but now they seem to improve slowly and we might expect some big wow in very near future by the launch of mit lancer in proton badge, turbo engine & electric car. Produa some how has growth very fast cause they built a car that's everyone can afford. With the background of daihatsu & toyota & strong profit they are able to offer sound quality transport with low price. But not a car that you will have feel good factor. There is not much to talk about mahindra, Tata from india and Alado from china as they still need time to growth to reach our malaysian standard. However don't be supprise that some made in china car but not selling here is better than our car here. As we come to japanese car, this is most of the people want to consider after they have make their living and afford to go for higher price transport. For many reason, malaysian gov have make japanese car in entry level cost more than what they actual worth. To be honnest, we are paying too much for a entry level car like vios, city, avanza, suzuki, latio and etc… which is why korean car make an entry to our country and growing up fast.. Many people go for korean car cause they find these are much more pratical and value for money. But at the same time they will not get the low FC like japanse car. However, Kia surely has go though the bad time and gain a resurrection this time as they are able to say it out loud as Forte, koup, soul and new sportage. What ever happen on spectra, rio, citra was already a history and they are serious this time. Again offcourse they are still not 100% perfect, so do other car manufacturer from japan. But this is a big step forward that will make japanese maker sit down and think again about their product. To me, the new range of kia product is moving aheard of japanse maker in c segment and is come very close to VW, skoda, citroen and peugeot range. If they keep on their branding effort, don't be supprise in future that people will drop made in japan and go for made in korea. China car also growing fast and don't be supprise one day people will start to think about china car. As an auto editor, we have to be neutral and let the consumer choose their own prefference, there is no 100% perfect car nor is 100% lousy car. The only question is what are you looking for, as long as it meets your requirement, there is nothing wrong.

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  • cybermaster98 on Mar 05, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    pomen_gtr said,

    March 4, 2010 @ 5:30 pm

    cybermaster….

    7years service your toyota with full syn. EO cost u rm250????

    wow….service alone would cost u that much?

    now try beat almost 10years old proton waja (year 99) with castrol egde full syn EO+original oil filter which only cost me less than rm200….

    EO:rm130

    OF:rm20

    labour:free (i do it by myself)

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Dont bother comparing outside workshop maintenance with a car manufacturer service centre. The costs are different. There isnt any service tax or Gov tax plus labor is not 50% of the cost. If i were to service my car outside i could get it done for about RM150. An authorised service centre checks all the components according to your service schedule while an outside service centre only checks what you tell them to check. Big difference there. But then again most authorised SC dont really check much anyway. But its good for the warranty period and also after that.

    The RM 250 includes the fully sy engine oil and also any normal wear and tear parts that come with a normal service e.g filters, spark plugs, etc. So that is cheap.

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  • kaber hero on Mar 05, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    anda bagi fakta yg salah….

    sbnrnye ade lagi kete "japanese" yg lagi murah dari vios….swift dan avanza….(mungkin nampak murah sgt sebab adenye vios j, kalo xde vios j….nescaye aku rase xkan ade vios sebyk ni atas jalan di malaysia dan bile sikit akan nampak mcm mhal contohnye swift….xramai org pakai…so nampak mcm mahal)……..

    kedua2nya bkan la "pure japanese"…..sebab mcm org singapore ckp…..diorg panggil "thaiyota"…refer to toyota cars assemble by siamese…

    and from what you say here….u bash the drivers of vios….not the car….

    kalo anda nak tau, org yg bawak kancil konvert, wira konvert, myvi dll adalah lagi jahanam di jalan raye…..percayalah…

    dan….sape yg bawak 80km/h in the fast lane?…….aku biase bawak 140 ke 160 dan aku sentiase bg kete yg bercc lg besar (walo perdana sekalipon) utk potong aku kat hiway…..x mcm sesetgh saga atau myvi yg PERASAN LAJU lalu bawak kat fast lane…walhal kete diorg hanye lah 1.3???? dan kalo dah x berdaya nak motong kanan, diorg selambe ikut emergency lanes……sape lg teruk skrg?……….

    skrg nak banding vios dgn gen2 & saga plak……nampak sgt ko ni proton fanboy….

    mmg la gen2 (atau lebih tepat persona) same kelas dgn vios (compact sedan family cars)……tp x bermakne kereta dalam kelas yg same mempunyai ciri2 yg same….

    betul x?…….persona – seat agak keras, bunyik enjin+tayar menerobos masuk dalam cabin….anda perasaan kah itu?….

    even vios J pon still ade abs,ebd &ba walopon without airbag…..persona baseline?……mgkin lotus handling saje yg tinggal….

    bash p1 & p2?……..

    selama aku beli vios ni xpernah plak aku nak kutuk org beli vios….ataupon cakap sebegini kepada pemilik persona

    "aku dgr persona ni kuat makan minyak?" (walopon ini sbnrnye betul….diakui oleh pemilik persona sendiri)………ataupun…"aku dgr byk brg akan rosak kalo pakai persona?"

    (dan aku masih berbangga msia boleh menghasilkan kereta yg berbaloi dibeli ini)

    tp…..ade plak org yg beli viva mempersoalkan aku beli vios

    "aku dgr org cakap waja lagi sedap dari vios?"…………..

    so sape kondem sape skang?……..

    akhir kate……

    hanye ade 2 majoriti kumpulan manusia yg selalu kondem toyota / vios ini…..

    1) bdak2 baru naik yg baru nak pegang stereng kete mak bapak

    2) org2 yg kurang berkemampuan nak beli kete2 ini….<———aku tau ini adalah anda….mgkin anda pemilik gen2….sebab tu anda sebut dalam komen tersebut….(sy sendiri pernah menerima nasihat dari seorang kawan pemilik gen2…….katenye "janganla beli gen2….beli la vios walopon 2nd)

    itu saja dari seorang penasihat kereta yg kurang berpengalaman (mungkin juga anda?)….sekian….

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  • cybermaster98 on Mar 05, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    JL said,

    March 4, 2010 @ 7:48 pm

    People who buy BMW, Merc, Audi don’t bother about the maintenance cost and resell value, but they value the driving experience and confortability.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Ppl who drive these cars can afford not to bother about resale value and maintenance cux they probably earn a min of about RM 20K/ mth. That shouldnt be a case for comparison with a Kia Forte. Ppl who buy Vios, City or Forte's are NOT ppl with bottomless pockets. Thats why every cent counts. Thats wht im trying to say.

    U can get a Forte with all the gadgets now but then over 7 yrs u end up paying more than your cost for a Civic due to the high maintenance costs and maybe a repair bill. Buying a car is not short term. Its a long term loss for most of us middle income earners.

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  • cybermaster98 on Mar 05, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Service cost said,

    March 4, 2010 @ 5:13 pm

    Anyone knows average service cost for Forte? Kia always have high maintenance and service…

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Yes u are absolutely right! Kia has very high maintenance costs. Ask all those with cars more than 2 yrs old and they will tell you. But no point asking whats service cost for Forte now. All of them are in free service period now. Check again after 2 years when the free service is over and the maintenance issues start to come up. There are some posts above which talk about maintenance costs for other models of Kia.

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  • Dear JL, I thoroughly agree with you. Good comments!

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  • dream design on Mar 05, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    almost all cars company change their design concept..

    its a good thing.. can't wait to see this new forte with full body kit..(for those buying the car)

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  • thoroughly agree with you

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  • Hi MO, same here. I thoroughly agree with JL.

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  • Dear JL, yeah! I thoroughly agree with you. Good comments!

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  • Thanks Danny..

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  • Forte lover on Mar 05, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    dream design said,

    March 5, 2010 @ 10:23 am

    almost all cars company change their design concept..

    its a good thing.. can’t wait to see this new forte with full body kit..(for those buying the car)

    —————————————————————-

    yes yes yes life goes on… can't wait can't wait to see!

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  • My dearest sister Anne, thank you!

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  • endre on Mar 05, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    in fact Forte use timing chain, one belt system & aluminium radiator which in the long run save a bit of the maintenance

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  • cybermaster98 on Mar 05, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    endre said,

    March 5, 2010 @ 1:48 pm

    in fact Forte use timing chain, one belt system & aluminium radiator which in the long run save a bit of the maintenance

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Thats good. But the 2003 Vios already had this incorporated since then. Guess the Forte was a bit late. Hehe!

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  • Test Guy on Mar 06, 2010 at 1:00 am

    cybermaster98 said,

    March 4, 2010 @ 4:56 pm

    Plus ure wrong when u say any car’s maintenance wont be cheap after 3 yrs. U obviously have NOT serviced a Toyota or a Honda. Have u ever serviced any car for that matter? I suggest u read ALL the posts above before making ridiculous comparisons.

    My Vios is almost 7 yrs old and the normal service costs me only about RM 250 with fully syn engine oil. It doesnt cost much cuz there arent many parts to replace since the build quality is good. U try servicing a 7 yr old Kia / Hyundai and see how much your bill comes to. Ive serviced a 4 yr old Kia Spectra and its normal service came up to almost RM 390. A Kia Picanto’s service with an ATF change costs about RM 750. Go visit a few Kia service centres yorself and then tell me whether ALL car makes will have high maintenance bills.

    ——————————————

    I totally agree with cybermaster, i previously owned a Toyota vios, it really a good quality, no major problem, very good after sales service, and i manage to sell it with a high resell value (around 50k for a 6.5 years car). For my experience my father owned a Naza Ria, the first year was good, everything was fine until the 2nd year the gear box damage. When we bring it to the service center they said they don't have the spare part nor technician to repair it, so we are waiting for the spare part (gear box) to be repair. After waiting for 6 month we can't stand anymore and we directly complaint to the HQ, finally they solve our problem, but what shocking is that the gear box cost 15k to repair and they said its not under warranty anymore and insist us to pay 50% of the cost of the repair (WTF), after all the issue we are totally fed up with NAZA, and we decided to repair the car and pay the 50% and we sell it straight away. My sister own a korean car as well called hyundai rxs, the first year is good but as time goes by they are more and more defect here and there, example battery spoil in half year time, fog lamp spoil after changing 3 time same thing also.

    What i would to say is that if the built quality is good like toyota you will have low maintenance cost and peace of mind. What look good might not taste good. Yes altis is expensive but its because of the TAX impose by the stupid government not because of toyota. Basically to compare Honda, Toyota and Kia, i would recommend toyota first. Although toyota look so old fashion.

    Another thing is that, if you were to buy any car, please test drive all the car you wish to buy (within your budjet). Only after test drive you will feel the difference. Yes forte might have a lot of feature but does it really practical ? The more feature you get the higher maintenance fee you got to pay in long term, so the most important is still stability, comfort, practical and peace of mind. If i got the budjet to choose altis over forte i would definately choose altis. But no matter how much we comment, the most important thing is you have to evaluate yourself, test drive yourself and choose the car you like the most.

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  • Still waiting 4 the KOUP from NAZA-KIA

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  • cybermaster98 on Mar 06, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Test Guy,

    Yes exactly! Only those who have driven and maintained a Toyota for a few years will know just how well built the car is. Some ppl here just do not know how to value build quality and after sales service standards. Everybody judges a car by the specs, price tag and physical looks. Ive maintained a Kia before and i will surely say NEVER AGAIN.

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  • Mr_NIGHT on Mar 07, 2010 at 11:59 am

    well, i also agree it's a big no no to purchase Korea car especially badge under NxZx. Previously family owned a Kia Car. No need to mention about the maintenance, it's always high and the poor quality issue plus the sky high FC. First 1-2 years may serve u well but after that, problems start coming to u. Right…. the features in Forte seems awesome. but imagine the features break down and u bring to NxZx but they cant fix it (be mind, claiming the warranty is one headache matter also and this Forte is offering just 2 years or 50k km only). And u might have to let it be there for few days up to weeks. U guys also know how's NxZx service.

    U may be seeing it's so great the Naza Forte offering so much nice features and great low price comparing to H or T badge, but come to the end, it's high possibility to make u headache and pay for more will hold u back a sec to think twice when plan to purchase it, wouldn't u?

    I aint speaking empty. these are all based on my experience and ppl around me.

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  • Sentul Cowboy on Mar 08, 2010 at 1:59 am

    I GOT TO SEE THE CAR FIRST HAND IN NAZA SHOW ROOM PUCHONG.

    NICE IMPRESSION FIRST GLANCE, BUT LATER NOTICE IT IS WITH TORSION BEAM AT THE BACK, THE SALESMAN SAID "YOU WILL GET USED TO IT LATER". IT REMINDS ME OF BUYING A POTONG CAR YEARS AGO.

    WHAT THE POINT OF PUTTING SUCH A GOOD PACKAGE BUT REAR IS TORSION BEAM SUSPENSION?

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  • Rondowner on Mar 08, 2010 at 9:53 am

    Wow seems like there is a lot of reviews and remarks from previous Kia owners like the Ria,Spectra or Sephia and is a fact that this was the issue with them and how frustrated are the previous owners..

    At least the Korean improve and not like our beloved Proton which took them 20 yrs to rectified the Power Window..cronyism as all of us know

    No matter how good is T&H and how bad is Korean there is still other makes on the road and there are lots of reviews from Sinagpore,Australia and US about Forte which is also known as Cerato in Ozzy..be it short or long term in terms of reliability,performance,FC,issues,comparisons,maintaining

    and my preference will be on George Skentzos article on July 08 and Alborz Fallah on Jan 09 about Forte as this are the Spec that Naza is bringing in..

    Choices is yours whether u are banging on the Gamma or the Theta 2 and the fact that engine are jointly developed by Hyundai,Kia,Mitsubishi and Chrysler (www.gemaengine.com) and the CVVT vendor are (www.morsetec.com) world leader in automotive chain system,engine timing and power transmission and as a matter of fact the Mitsu Lancer(4B1),Rondo,Optima,Sonata NF,Chrylser Sebring and dodge Avenger are all using the same engine..so when some say about how unreliable Korean makes u might want to think twice and read on how is Korean doing in other

    parts of the world pls do not single out all Korean make but rather on model.

    So the fact that is why single out Kia makes and i am sure the improvement is so drastic making lots of competitors uneasiness whats more with the AP holders Naza which making it much more easy to own and of course basis of comparisons against others make in terms of Price,feature etc and in one hand we agree that Naza SC sucks but in other hand because of Naza we may buy an imported unit for a price which is so much lower than other imports…Guess forte badge under T or H then is goin to be a different ball game..

    Lastly your money u decide and couldn't agree more with one of the comments value your driving experience and the comfortability..

    most importantly Drive Safe..

    Cheers,

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  • I have no idea what you guys talking about! Txxxta, Hxxxx, ……….. No prize for winners!

    By the way, KIA Forte is the best at the moment! Let's accept the truth!

    Well.. Anyway, it's up to people to choose what car to buy! Why bother?

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  • Sentul cowboy, FYI, Altis and Sylphy and Latio also uses Torsion Beam. Worse still are the Sylphy and Latio using Drum Brakes. But hey, don;t get me wrong, i am no fan of either of these cars.

    Forte does offer good value for money – but long term realibility is key.

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  • Simba_Labish on Mar 08, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Hi bro!

    Bagi saya kereta ni hebat dan mempunyai ciri-ciri yang lebih hebat daripada altis dan civic dengan harga vios dan city.. New engine, new design, full of features and yet very affordable price..

    Orang Malaysia terlalu 'brand concious' dan mengharapkan jenama T dan H sedangkan harganya terlalu 'ridiculous' dan 'blood sucking'.. But lately.. T and H got a lot of problem… Kita pakai kereta untuk feel and enjoy the ride.. not for second user.. Setakat nak pakai jual baik beli keta murah…

    Orang Malaysia perlu ada 'paradigm shift' dan 'open minded' baru boleh kita buat 'comparison' dan search fact/review from US dan Europe about this car.. Then we can evaluate the reliability, funcionality as well as best value for money…

    Korean cars nowadays towards growing up and better quality…Look at the global sales last year.. It might overtake T and H about 3 years from now…

    We must look on business diversity and not focus on monopoly business…

    At the end of the day.. The monopoly company will revise the price at par with others so that the people will get the benefit…

    Lastly… this car is great… but the company must improve their after sales services and extent the warranty period so that people will look this car as reliable product.. At the same time, it will increase the second value..

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  • endre on Mar 08, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    my wife hv an vios 09 (few month old) she pump Shell RON 95 but having knocking sound, asked the SC they said its normal for a new car but till now still having same prob. My Forte dont have such knocking sound from day one, we use the same fuel, any vios owner can answer.

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  • cybermaster98 on Mar 09, 2010 at 12:28 am

    endre said,

    March 8, 2010 @ 3:00 pm

    my wife hv an vios 09 (few month old) she pump Shell RON 95 but having knocking sound, asked the SC they said its normal for a new car but till now still having same prob. My Forte dont have such knocking sound from day one, we use the same fuel, any vios owner can answer.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    U didnt provide enough info. Its not clear. Did she have the knocking sound only when she pumped the RON 95 or before that? Is the sound still there when she uses RON97? What kind of knocking sound is that? Originating from which part? Is the sound persistent or occasional only?

    Difficult to know when u give such limited information. Whcih service centre did u take the car to?

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  • johan on Mar 09, 2010 at 12:52 am

    forte still worth of money..

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  • WhiteForteR on Mar 09, 2010 at 1:15 am

    Cybermaster98,

    are you the Toyota Salesman? ^^ no offence.

    wonder did you really test-drive the car, perform facts/data finding?

    if ppl who r looking 4 a car, not sure which to go for, toyota is the "can't go wrong" car for their option, if ppl who r looking 4 a performance car, Honda.

    i have a vios2006, nice car. I was looking around for a C-seg car a year ago, Civic is top in my list, lancer 2nd it, finally, i own a Forte, which save me RM30~40k and get premium features the same class don't even provide.

    Maintenance? I have collected some data from the official sites. Honda is always the most expensive one in its class. And yes, Forte is higher than Vios, but not forgetting, Vios is just 1.5. As compare to Altis, yes, Forte is higher, but giving the features which altis don't even have, it make sense.

    1k 10k 20k 30k 40k 50k 60k 70k 80k 90k 100k Total

    city 0 0 360 291 829 215 544 215 829 291 1235 4809

    Vios 0 0 303 204 361 204 303 204 361 204 303 2447

    Forte 1.6 0 0 210 350 440 150 590 150 440 340 265 2935

    Civic 1.8 0 0 641 215 956 215 749 215 956 215 1316 5478

    Altis 1.8 0 0 342 227 405 227 342 227 405 227 342 2744

    Civic 2.0 0 0 641 215 956 215 749 215 956 215 1316 5478

    Forte 2.0 0 0 210 350 440 150 590 150 440 340 265 2935

    civic hybrid 0 0 680 215 1184 215 680 215 1184 215 2102 6690

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  • Rondowner on Mar 09, 2010 at 5:39 am

    WhiteforteR,

    Appreciate your update and can serve as a guideline when i received my

    unit..

    Cheers,

    Forte 1.6 0 0 210 350 440 150 590 150 440 340 265 2935

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  • johan on Mar 09, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    I agree with WhiteForteR…

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  • ZenXtr on Mar 09, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    I tot main reason of OVERPRICEd is because of AP =.="

    And why all the vios buyer are stupid?

    they got too much money to spend, does it annoyed you?

    funny..

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  • endre on Mar 09, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    When she pump RON 97 there is no knocking sound or Petronas 95 seems ok. only with Shell 95, The Toyota SC located in Teluk Panglima Garang said its normal if we use Shell 95, I'm keep wondering why we can't use Shell 95 in Vios

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  • endre on Mar 09, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    The sound from the engine when we press the padel, klik-klik-klik… sound like the famous P1 first generation saga engine knocking sound.

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  • WhiteForteR, I agree with you.

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  • mekatoronikusu on Mar 10, 2010 at 10:10 am

    WTF 4758…wtf? hahaha

    cheap plastic material, better beli kete sorong…wakakaka

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  • Pnk!mak on Mar 10, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    mekatoronikusu, cheap thing is suitable for a person like you to buy! Gosh you're so cheap! A Very funny Joke – 'You Are So Cheap'!

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  • WhiteForteR on Mar 10, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    to ZenXtr,

    Vios buyers ain't stupid. I am a Vios owner. We r just paying a little more to get a less problem cars. our P cars are really a let down. I have been driving ISWARA, WIRA, the quality is not even at par with Vios.

    P-car, more than 20-year-old, can't even grow like KIA who is only 15-year-old, and still wearing pampers and wants daddy mummy's hugs, yet shouting we Boleh! ya ya ya, boleh in the country only, out of the country, langsung tak boleh, coz no more pampers.

    Before Forte is in the market, Vios is the most reliable/value for money car.

    Now we have Forte. But this babe is still young, many still do not have enough confidence yet, so, they will still go for T & H.

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  • WhiteForteR on Mar 10, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    To endre,

    If you read the user manual correctly, the "klik-klik-klik" sound indicates that the ESC is operating. You could try to turn ESC to off mode while it is not blinking to see if u still hear it (blinking indicates the ESC is functioning, by turning it off, u might result in losing control of your car).

    Pls join www.kiafortemalaysia.com for more info sharing.

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  • kenny_lim on Mar 11, 2010 at 3:21 am

    kia cars, just forget it. the problem is not the car but the distributor. services are bad from sales to service center.

    noticed the badge outside and inside are different but i think we can buy it from naza at a price. hehe…as usual, normally these car when arrive in port klang, it will be 'empty'. all the seats, badge and even those rims are locally made but charged us at premium price.

    fyi, some if this car only cost 15-20% of the price we paid when naza bought it in. i saw one picanto at jpj few yrs ago and the cost is less than USD3k.

    save the hassle, get a smaller n expensive car rather than a Naza car.

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  • I think we don't have to argue so much here for what is good and bad. Toyota Vios and Honda City is still a good car with a little extra to paid for a B segment car. As for Forte driver, you know what you get and this is something that non-forte driver will understand. If they are keen they will test drive and find out. Vios is a my ex-car, I sold it to get the Forte and till now I am damm sastiflied with the switch. I suggest all toyota & honda driver to test drive and find out by yourself.

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  • Kia Spectra Owner on Mar 11, 2010 at 9:07 am

    The Forte seems to excell in everything.

    The only letdown are the quality/expertise/part price/labour charge by the Official Service Centre.

    RM1.2K for an alternator replacement for Kia Spectra 1.6?? WTF. Ordered from Spore for only RM650 original part, + installation RM50. The same goes for all other spare part.

    Be very careful of what you will be going through by owning a NAZA. Join some forums/mailing list on NAZA/KIA owner, and ask around.

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  • dat is for gamma engine review

    what about 2.0L theta engine?

    want a faster car?

    get toyota, come with “automatic floor mat acceleration mode”!!

    hahahaha,

    but seriously the 4 gears, if upgraded would have cost a little bit more,true once you run in the engine a little bit, it makes up a little for it, otherwise …what would you expect? an mk6?

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  • kenny_lim on Mar 11, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    JL,

    the problem is not the car but the people who distribute it. wait till u claim for the warranty, then u will know what i'm and most of us meant.

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  • Rondowner on Mar 11, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Kia Spectra Owner said,

    March 11, 2010 @ 1:07 am

    The only letdown are the quality/expertise/part price/labour charge by the Official Service Centre.

    RM1.2K for an alternator replacement for Kia Spectra 1.6?? WTF. Ordered from Spore for only RM650 original part, + installation RM50. The same goes for all other spare part.

    Be very careful of what you will be going through by owning a NAZA. Join some forums/mailing list on NAZA/KIA owner, and ask around.

    ————————————————————–

    Well time will tell whether how good is the quality , durability , and again,

    equations comes in terms of price purchase compares to their rival..

    Lets hope that theirs are as good as their competitors and is a fact that haunting the previous owners like Spectra,Ria,,Sephia. which is history and

    no doubt about it while hoping that the Gamma & Theta which is also so call

    the World Engine in collaborations with Hyundai,Kia,Mitshubishi & Chrysler will

    give us consumer more choices in future and hoping the Theta engine will last

    before hybrid taking over the auto globally..

    Guess thats the risk that we need to take but again think of the price u pay

    and what u get so choices are yours..

    Cheers,

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 11, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    WhiteForteR said,

    March 8, 2010 @ 5:15 pm

    Cybermaster98,

    are you the Toyota Salesman? ^^ no offence.

    wonder did you really test-drive the car, perform facts/data finding?

    if ppl who r looking 4 a car, not sure which to go for, toyota is the “can’t go wrong” car for their option, if ppl who r looking 4 a performance car, Honda.

    i have a vios2006, nice car. I was looking around for a C-seg car a year ago, Civic is top in my list, lancer 2nd it, finally, i own a Forte, which save me RM30~40k and get premium features the same class don’t even provide.

    Maintenance? I have collected some data from the official sites. Honda is always the most expensive one in its class. And yes, Forte is higher than Vios, but not forgetting, Vios is just 1.5. As compare to Altis, yes, Forte is higher, but giving the features which altis don’t even have, it make sense.

    1k 10k 20k 30k 40k 50k 60k 70k 80k 90k 100k Total

    city 0 0 360 291 829 215 544 215 829 291 1235 4809

    Vios 0 0 303 204 361 204 303 204 361 204 303 2447

    Forte 1.6 0 0 210 350 440 150 590 150 440 340 265 2935

    Civic 1.8 0 0 641 215 956 215 749 215 956 215 1316 5478

    Altis 1.8 0 0 342 227 405 227 342 227 405 227 342 2744

    Civic 2.0 0 0 641 215 956 215 749 215 956 215 1316 5478

    Forte 2.0 0 0 210 350 440 150 590 150 440 340 265 2935

    civic hybrid 0 0 680 215 1184 215 680 215 1184 215 2102 6690

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    Thanks for the input White. But the problem with these figures is that these are based on normal service at the regular intervals. For Korean cars the service costs drastically increase due to replacement of parts which arent mentioned in this calculation. Its industry knowledge that Korean parts do not last long. For Toyota and Honda i trust the figues u have given which does not usually differ much. But for the Korean makes it surely isnt a fair reflection of the actual costs. Ask most Kia/ Hyundai owners and they will say the same.

    And no i am not a salesman. Just a satisfied customer of Toyota.

    Cheers!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 11, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Kia Spectra Owner said,

    March 11, 2010 @ 1:07 am

    The Forte seems to excell in everything.

    The only letdown are the quality/expertise/part price/labour charge by the Official Service Centre.

    RM1.2K for an alternator replacement for Kia Spectra 1.6?? WTF. Ordered from Spore for only RM650 original part, + installation RM50. The same goes for all other spare part.

    Be very careful of what you will be going through by owning a NAZA. Join some forums/mailing list on NAZA/KIA owner, and ask around.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Yes exactly. The Forte is a good car based on physical looks, specs and price. Besides that history speaks for itself. Quality, durability and cost of maintenance are doubtful. Korean cars have always looked decent with alot of specs but its the reliability which brings down the overall perception of korean cars.

    My colleague who drives a Nov 2006 Hyundai Sonata just sent his car to the SC today to get an engine overhaul done after repeatedly trying to overcome bad engine oil leaks. I know cuz i took him on many of those trips to the SC. Just imagine….3yrs and having to do an engine overhaul. He's upgrading to a Camry once he gets his car fixed. Poor guy.

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  • For those who still believe that T & H r the best quality, pls look at the recent verhicle recall worldwide, u will understand the real reason.

    I myself was quite suprised when I went to examine and test drive forte, I found out the quality and drive was so much improved. I dare to say its quality is not much off from those CBU Japan made. Those Japan CKD r totally different from CBU as the local distributors used cheap materials to cut cost. One good example is the Honda Accord 2.4 which is using the hard plastic on thier dash board. All worldwide accords r using soft materials.

    Forte is unliked those older generation korean made cars, it is a new generation modern verhicle which is selling worldwide.

    For VOIS, we can only find this car in the thirdworld countries like us in Malaysia. T & H people r really smart, they know u asian worship their brand, so they just need to put their batch on a basic car and sell to u at a premium price. If u r familiar with cars, just look at the techs on VIOS, u will understand what I said. (OMG, those cars VOS & CT don't even have crash test result).

    Those cars r selling so expensive, pls dont blame the gov, it has noting to do with TAX, the actual profit margin r so high that U would not believe. (trust me!)

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 12, 2010 at 12:14 am

    lll said,

    March 11, 2010 @ 4:02 pm

    For those who still believe that T & H r the best quality, pls look at the recent verhicle recall worldwide, u will understand the real reason.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    So u judge quality by vehicle recalls eh? There was no recall for Proton so does it mean Proton is the best? Get rid of your narrow mentality. U allow yourself to be dragged along and influenced by what the media says. Everyone is making a hype about Toyota causing deaths but how many have died cuz of defects in other makes? Do u know? You dont because no driver from the other makes made a call while his car was running out of control like the Lexus driver. Just because u dont hear about it doesnt mean its not there silly. Even with defects Toyota still ranks among the top 5 in vehicle reliability. Where is your Kia on that list?

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  • cybermaster98 said

    So u judge quality by vehicle recalls eh? There was no recall for Proton so does it mean Proton is the best? Get rid of your narrow mentality. U allow yourself to be dragged along and influenced by what the media says. Everyone is making a hype about Toyota causing deaths but how many have died cuz of defects in other makes? Do u know? You dont because no driver from the other makes made a call while his car was running out of control like the Lexus driver. Just because u dont hear about it doesnt mean its not there silly. Even with defects Toyota still ranks among the top 5 in vehicle reliability. Where is your Kia on that list?

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    I suggest u keep using T & H to make their wallets fat. They r so happy that their customer r so loyal and will never update themselves on OTHER cars.

    The local T & H do not have a recall, because this will caused a big hole in their pockets. In fact, they know very well that they will never get sue in here even if they r in fault.

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  • This is a review. Don't like after watching, just leave . No need to 'downgrade' any cars and start an argument. Save your breath for more constructive things. There is a life out there. You people are really imbecile.

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  • Quote : '''''''''Where is your Kia on that list?'''''''''''' Unquote

    It is No. 1 on my list . Thank you :)

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  • The nature of the auto industry is always talking about profit. When they have a growing demand and positive forecast. They will invest and make it growing further. 10 years ago Toyota SC is also soso until they realise that the Vios & Altis are getting popular. They soon discover their SC is under capacity and needed for an upgrade. Along the years you see more and more 3S dealers pop up here and there. Honda was a little bit behind Toyota due to the marginary lesser market share. However, Honda is growing up strongly nowaday with their increasing popularity on city, civic, accord and crv. As for Naza Kia, yes their SC are way far behind as comparing to T & H due to the lesser market share. The same things happen to others car made as well. The question is would it make a different when Kia gain the popularity in the market? When the demand & profit is there, both distributor and dealer are more than happy to invest for an upgrade to make more profit. As an consumers, we need to justifly which is good and dare to accept new things. Whatever good in the past doesn't means it will continue to be good in the next decade, whatever bad may not necessary to be worst in the future. Try recall back what is happening at Produa during 90 decade and 00 decade. Or u may recall mazda, ford, nissan on 80decade and 90 decade. You may also think of Hyundai on the 90 decade & 00 decade. If you observe carefully, it's not hard to feel the market trend. Sometime we are very easy to fall into the past experience and neglect the new development. As a consumer, we should always try to be sensitive to what is good for us and make thing happens. If you agree the car is good, we should recomend more people to go for it and make it to flood the market and you will enjoy lower service and maintenance cost. Stopping people from a good product due to the ex-experience doesn't seem to be a constructive idea to make things happen.

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  • hhhodso on Mar 12, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Koji said:

    Quote : ””””’Where is your Kia on that list?”””””” Unquote

    It is No. 1 on my list . Thank you

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Yes Koji, I support u. Kia Forte may not be the best, but it is the most sincere one which offer to people here. Driving a stylish entry level import car will never be the same again.

    Korean cars has come a long way through a lot of hard work. Looking at their progress, they will soon catch up with the world best.

    Those who still believe only Japan made good quality products, please really go out there to experience yourself.

    Naza kia has a good potential to really excel in Malaysia based on Kia recents new products, I dont think that Naza Kia is so stupid to screw up themselves.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 12, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    lll said,

    March 11, 2010 @ 4:43 pm

    I suggest u keep using T & H to make their wallets fat. They r so happy that their customer r so loyal and will never update themselves on OTHER cars.

    The local T & H do not have a recall, because this will caused a big hole in their pockets. In fact, they know very well that they will never get sue in here even if they r in fault.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    I will keep using Toyota until they have a credible Korean competitor with good after sales service and lower cost of maintenance. U obviously have not maintained a Korean car. Why dont u go buy 1 and maintain it for say 4-5 yrs and then come back here and tell me if ull buy another Korean car again?

    I spent 74,700 buying my car and the current resale value is RM48K. How much did i actually lose my friend? How much are Korean cars worth after 7 yrs? My maintenance is reasonably cheap compared to Korean cars. (I know cuz i have Korean makes in my family).

    So who is actually making whos pocket fat? Japs may sell their cars at higher prices but ultimately the overall expense for a jap brand + authorised service centre costs is still lower than a Korean brand over the same period.

    Plus i didnt say dont buy a Forte. Im saying when u buy be prepared for the issues which follow. Dont merely buy a car for its specs, price and physical looks. There's alot more to buying a car than those 3 factors.

    Cheers!

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  • I have a Forte and I am very proud of it! It's really a very good car!

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  • WhiteForteR on Mar 12, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Cybermaster,

    Liking of car is very subjective. You get my blessing to love your Jap babe faithfully. I have decided to woo the Korean babe.

    A democratic country is free of speech. We should respect and protect different views, thinking and comments. Pls do not condemm this.

    hhhodso,

    err… Rio or Picanto is KIA's entry car lah.

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  • I just cannot understand why people buy a car always put the resale value as top priority (Should ask those BMW/Mers owner why they dont care on 2nd hand value of their cars). I would rather loss a bit more on depreciation to enjoy a better car like C-segment forte compare to a RM74800 B-segment E spec Vios. We buy car to enjoy in life not due to resale value, because life is too short.

    The second hand value of Forte may be different of say up to RM10K after 5 years compare to Vios, it doesnt matter, bacause I have enjoyed a better and safer car over the 5 years period.

    If compare to Civic or Altis, I will initially save at least another RM30k upfront which have the same or less specs.

    I have confidence that Forte will retain a good second value as this is a totally different car compare to those old korean made.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 12, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    lll said,

    March 12, 2010 @ 11:53 am

    I just cannot understand why people buy a car always put the resale value as top priority (Should ask those BMW/Mers owner why they dont care on 2nd hand value of their cars). I would rather loss a bit more on depreciation to enjoy a better car like C-segment forte compare to a RM74800 B-segment E spec Vios. We buy car to enjoy in life not due to resale value, because life is too short.

    The second hand value of Forte may be different of say up to RM10K after 5 years compare to Vios,

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    10K difference?? I strongly suggest u open the Star Classifieds and check the 2nd hand car prices. U obviously have no idea about resale value. The difference in depreciation value for Korean cars in comparison to Japs are about 40% my friend.

    Plus where in any of the posts above did anybody mention that resale value is TOP PRIORITY? Please cut and paste and show me. Go read what ive written earlier.

    BMW / Merc owners can AFFORD not to care about 2nd hand value. How many times do i need to say this? Its ppl like u and me who have limited budgets that need to care. For example, u go and ask a Datuk whether he wants to save RM 100 by eating at a roadside stall compared to a 5 star hotel and he will still choose the hotel.

    If u wanna make comparisons to prove your point please ensure its logical.

    Cheers!

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  • WhiteForteR and lll, GOOD comments! I 100% agree with you guys!

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  • If you r compared with the previous korean models, I totally agreed with u probably there would be a 40% resale value difference.

    However, if u r comparing Forte with the current Vios and City, Forte will probably has a better resale value after 5 years.

    I have kept on emphasized that the current Korean cars (Forte) quality has improved tremendously and probably not far from the best. My friend! why u still dont get it, then u should go and examine/test drive the forte personally and closely.

    How many of you guys out there agreed with my opinion?

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  • BTW, I think forte should not compared with Vios and city.

    The fact is those Jap made cars r for the third world countries in asia and not for sale in other places such as europe, North america even the home country, Japan. The Japs r really good in making $$$$.

    Please check the tech specs u will understand what kind of cars they r.

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  • cybermaster98 said,

    March 12, 2010 @ 2:00 pm

    10K difference?? I strongly suggest u open the Star Classifieds and check the 2nd hand car prices. U obviously have no idea about resale value. The difference in depreciation value for Korean cars in comparison to Japs are about 40% my friend.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Do u know that I TOTALLY ageed with u on the 40% difference on resale value if u r compared with all previous Korean models.

    However, if u r comparing Forte with the current Vios and City, I think Forte will fetch a better resale value.

    I have mentioned so many times that Forte is unliked those older generation korean made cars, it is a new generation modern verhicle which is selling worldwide. It even won Car Of The Year award in 2009 from a reputable cars review website.

    My Friend, how come u still don't get it? Please stop comparing those 90s/2000s korean cars, they r now history.

    Korean cars r progressing fast, they r not far in overall quality from the best in the car industries. (looking forward to the new Sonata and Tucson by Sime Darby)

    BTW, how many of u guys out there ageed of my opinion????????

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  • WhiteForteR on Mar 13, 2010 at 1:29 am

    Cybermaster,

    You are comparing Vious with the old KIA, be it Spectra or Serphia or bla bla bla.

    Why not be a little patience for 7 years, and see what Forte will get?

    Forte is a total change of image for KIA. Your statement about the old KIA might be very very true, so, let the time to proof that you are again very very true about the Korean car.

    7 years oni, not yet 2020.

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  • For those who are kiasu abt the Forte resale value, DON'T BUY ! No one will know what will happen. All I know for now is that every one of the Forte owners is VERY HAPPY with his/her car and resale value is at the very back of our mind. Let us worry about that later. Thanks for your concern .

    No point arguing with the haters. It's quite hard to accept that KIA can actually progress and threaten their beloved T&H's place. Some mindset refuse to change. Katak di bawah tempurung . :)

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  • Thanks Koji, WhiteForteR

    All reviews have given good comment on Forte.

    Some people r just refused to accept. It will be their total loss while Forte owners r enjoying a decent build car.

    Ha…..Ha…….Ha………………………..

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  • Rondowner on Mar 13, 2010 at 5:57 am

    III,Koji,WhiteforteR,

    Wellllll Said and you guys should join the KFOCM..

    kiafortemalaysia.com and your valuable contribution,views and opinions may well be accepted there..

    Its pointless arguing with cikus…

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  • Dear all Forte supporters, no point to argue with these people(morons) as they do not understand at all and cannot accept the truth! And "backwards" is what they'll always be! Forwards is always forwards and backwards is always backwards! Happy Living Backwards!

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  • Hunter on Mar 14, 2010 at 2:07 am

    I test drive the Kia Forte, agree that the Kia forte is much more better than Toyota Vios….

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  • BeNeutral on Mar 14, 2010 at 8:19 am

    i'm a car lover. i love Toyota as well as Honda previously before the launch of Kia Forte. a lot of research/review been posted on the net from lots of Europe countries that has launched Forte successfully (pls go youtube to search for GLOBAL KIA FORTE MARKETING/SALES STRATEGY, Forte made easy) and so far has no single complaint but only compliment, sorry to say H & T are so far behind.

    i owned a black forte for almost 3 months, one word, satisfied and i'm sure i have made a right choice. as for the second hand value, as you know, we have already saved RM30k up front (compare to civic 114K) for a better spec and quality!! let say, for instant, there are unpleasant incidents happen in coming few years. what to worry? i still have at least 30k to play with!! (example) what if, civic has got some faulty part found out in the future? you have to pay extra to get it rectified.

    Get your head out of the box/well or whatever and look around. there are a lot of better options outside which offer quality at par H & T or even better quality, not only Kia Forte.

    Don't be stubborn, go to have a test drive. speak/comment only after you have tried/tested all related cars. i tested vios, city, altis, civic, silphy, latio, Peugeot 308, hyundai i30, Lancer. Kia Forte is not the best (at least it won over vios, city, latio in all aspect), i do admit; but it really stand out among all these. NO REGRET.

    thanks and have a nice day. enjoy you ride!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 15, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Just happened to read this on another forum. Ill post it here for all to see. Not sure if it applies to Malaysia or elsewhere but no harm reading.
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    User #1:

    Over a period of time, the ac/heater fan motor will blow air intermittently, regardless of the fan’s speed setting, eventually the fan stops blowing all together. The vents on the dashboard have popped up and broken and the defroster does not blow the air on the windshield. These are the frequent problems faced in this vehicle.

    User #2:

    There are several problems with the Kia Forte. Some of the most common include; a/c hose misdirected, check engine light, wheel speed sensor, poor radio reception and fuel mapping/backfiring. Kia has posted that they fix most common problems as recalls.

    User #3:

    The problem reported with this vehicle is suspension. However, it is a serious one. The car cannot handle the road very well due to the low suspension and 17-inch tires. This amplifies any crack, pothole, or bump in the road.

    User #4:

    As common Kia Forte Problems, nothing special to say, but in any car, if it has a lumbar support on the driver’s seat, it is good. If it passes for 500 miles on a trip, the seat belt light kept coming on periodically, and it is very difficult to get out the chime (ding, ding sound) from the mind. Its four-speed automatic’s overly wide gear spacing are some of the problems faced commonly by the users.
    ___________________________________________________________________________
    Cheers!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 15, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    WhiteForteR said,

    March 12, 2010 @ 5:29 pm

    Cybermaster,

    You are comparing Vious with the old KIA, be it Spectra or Serphia or bla bla bla.

    Why not be a little patience for 7 years, and see what Forte will get?

    Forte is a total change of image for KIA. Your statement about the old KIA might be very very true, so, let the time to proof that you are again very very true about the Korean car.

    7 years oni, not yet 2020.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Yes thats wht im hoping too. Toyota and Honda need a good competitor. Ive said that many times.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 15, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    BeNeutral said,

    March 14, 2010 @ 12:19 am

    i owned a black forte for almost 3 months, one word, satisfied and i’m sure i have made a right choice. as for the second hand value, as you know, we have already saved RM30k up front (compare to civic 114K) for a better spec and quality!! let say, for instant, there are unpleasant incidents happen in coming few years. what to worry? i still have at least 30k to play with!! (example) what if, civic has got some faulty part found out in the future? you have to pay extra to get it rectified.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Yes what you say is true and i agree with you. But did you consider resale value (which you will lose 40% more than a Toyota or Honda of the same age) and also cost of maintenance after 3yrs? Korean cars lose heavily here.

    Cheers!

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  • cybermaster98 said,

    March 15, 2010 @ 9:00 am

    Yes what you say is true and i agree with you. But did you consider resale value (which you will lose 40% more than a Toyota or Honda of the same age) and also cost of maintenance after 3yrs? Korean cars lose heavily here.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Cybermaster98 why u still don't get the point??? or u r just up to certain level of understanding only?

    We keep on telling u that the 40% depreciation difference r comparison with those previous Korean models in the 90s and early 2000s, but not the current korean models such as Forte.

    Forte will probably maintains its value well over the years.

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  • cybermaster98 said,

    March 15, 2010 @ 9:00 am

    Yes what you say is true and i agree with you. But did you consider resale value (which you will lose 40% more than a Toyota or Honda of the same age) and also cost of maintenance after 3yrs? Korean cars lose heavily here.

    Cheers!

    For what we Forte owners are enjoying now, I really don't care what the resale is , it could be worth 30K or less when I decide to sell. But the enjoyment of driving is well worth it. .. my 2 cents.

    And if you ever for whatever reasons decide to get a Forte in future, I congratulate you … :)

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  • johan on Mar 15, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    i have tested forte, its totally a different korean cars..i have already booked one..previously i considered altis or slphy but only after forte was been introduced..i changed my mind to forte..

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 15, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    III said,

    March 15, 2010 @ 10:08 am

    Cybermaster98 why u still don’t get the point??? or u r just up to certain level of understanding only?

    We keep on telling u that the 40% depreciation difference r comparison with those previous Korean models in the 90s and early 2000s, but not the current korean models such as Forte.

    Forte will probably maintains its value well over the years.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    I think u need to realise that resale value is based on the MAKE and not the MODEL. The model does make a difference albeit a smaller % compared to the MAKE. The model factor comes into play when there are facelifts or upgrades on the current model. But the MAKE kinda stays constant.

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  • kenny_lim on Mar 15, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    i think all this is too early to tell. to ones who are not happy with the car aka dealer….dont buy it, seriously. for the ones who are very happy about it…now, wait for another few years.

    ps-i'm also happy with my kia last time until now. the quality is there but the parts……..services……jus make sure that the forte does not need a major repair else, u'll be cursing naza till their nenek moyang. my fren used to have kia before, now accord. he said, not bcos of the car but the brand…..he agreed the forte is good for the price but the problem is always the brand.

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  • Now play with MAKE and MODEL

    Guy, I think u have no more excuse.

    Ha……

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  • I agree. He's going on and on about the resale value like a broken record. Boringgggggggggg

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 15, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    III said,

    March 15, 2010 @ 12:03 pm

    Now play with MAKE and MODEL

    Guy, I think u have no more excuse.

    Ha……

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    U really cannot understand basic English eh? Im merely answering your questions. My 'story' or whtever u call is is the same and it has been the same from day 1. U can refer all my previous posts and u will see the same pattern. Ure just irritated because i managed to answer your queries pretty well and u have no proper response.

    Your knowledge of resale value and others is very limited. Best u go around to car dealers and talk to them. They should be able to guide you since u think im talking crap. If u wanna know about service standards go to 5 Kia service centres and just sit there for a few hours and watch the types of cars that come in and for what problems. Dont just take my word for it. Do your own homework.

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  • WhiteForteR on Mar 15, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Cybermaster,

    I really amazed by you. I know u r not a T salesman, but i start to wonder r u the car resaler.

    Your name Master doesn't mean u must win in all aspects too.

    If ppl cares about the resale value, just go for T&H lor. For us, we want enjoyment of having the car, so we head care about the resale value.

    You want a pretty wife who can bring you enjoyment everyday, cheer u up, make u proud. Or u just want a wife that u keep thinking of how to sell away everyday?

    Back in 70s~80s, anybody wants T&H? Conti was the best. But T&H changed how ppl look at their products. For the past years, i didn't even pay my attention to Korean cars. And now, I am not suprised that I finally own a wonderful Korean made. Well, if the block head ppl like me is changed, so do others. I am very sure, and the same to the rest of the brothers here, that KIA is making a big leap and change, Forte is just their 1st car, not forgetting the new Sorento, and their Flagship K5. Let's time to proof that u r wrong.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 15, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    koji said,

    March 15, 2010 @ 12:50 pm

    I agree. He’s going on and on about the resale value like a broken record. Boringgggggggggg

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    I didnt go on and on. Im answering questions. If u dont want answers then dont ask questions. Im just answering questions which YOU and OTHERS asked. So if u dont like my answers feel free to stop asking then. Simple.

    p/s: Go read ALL my posts and then ull see how many factors i mentioned. Resale value is ONE of them only.

    Cheers!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 15, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    WhiteForteR said,

    March 15, 2010 @ 1:02 pm

    Cybermaster,

    I really amazed by you. I know u r not a T salesman, but i start to wonder r u the car resaler.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Hehe! No my friend, im not a car resaler. Im a bit into business but the corporate kind. A little different.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 15, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    WhiteForteR said,

    March 15, 2010 @ 1:02 pm

    Let’s time to proof that u r wrong.

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    Yes thats wht i said many times. I want the Koreans to give the Japs some decent competition. I think they have the potential but as long as they do not lower their maintenance cost and improve the after sales service they will be left behind by Toyota /Honda.

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  • cybermaster98, please stay at Toyota's and Honda's world quietly! Don't move on! That's good for you!

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  • tunder on Mar 15, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    ya lah!

    cybermaster98 always resale value resale value resale value resale value resale value resale value resale value resale value resale value resale value resale value resale value resale value resale value resale value resale value resale value resale value resale value resale value resale value!!!!!!!!!!!!

    SO BORING!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 15, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Sam said,

    March 15, 2010 @ 1:38 pm

    cybermaster98, please stay at Toyota’s and Honda’s world quietly! Don’t move on! That’s good for you!

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    I wont. Dont worry Sam. Until there is a worthy Korean competitor. Lets see how the Forte fares in years to come.

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  • Like I said, this guy has LIMITED ABILITY of understanding.

    Guys out there who r open minded, please forgive him.

    And we need not to response to him anymore.

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  • Like I said, this guy has LIMITED ABILITY of understanding.

    We should forgive him and dont response to him anymore.

    BTW, I m also a owner of BMW E39, and I truely impressed by this Forte and plan to get one soon.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 15, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    III said,

    March 15, 2010 @ 2:18 pm

    Like I said, this guy has LIMITED ABILITY of understanding.

    We should forgive him and dont response to him anymore.

    BTW, I m also a owner of BMW E39, and I truely impressed by this Forte and plan to get one soon.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Anybody can buy 2nd hand BMW's. Its those who buy them brand new which are a niche group. Hehe!

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  • cybermaster98, just compare and find your lovely competitor! We really don't have time for that – RESALE VALUE! Haha! Wasting my time! So pity you as always resale value!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 15, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    Sam said,

    March 15, 2010 @ 2:38 pm

    cybermaster98, just compare and find your lovely competitor! We really don’t have time for that – RESALE VALUE! Haha! Wasting my time! So pity you as always resale value!

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    I have compared and ill keep on comparing. So far im fine. My 2003 Vios is in good condition and it serves me well. I came back from Ipoh yesterday and managed to hit 190kmph (again) at 4600 rpm. Not a safe act for sure but not bad for a 7 yr old car engine eh?

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 15, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    I also heard that some Forte owners in Singapore are complaining that their windscreens keep cracking. I also hear that Kia Singapore has acknowledged the problem and replaced the windscreens under warranty. Could anybody shed some light on this?

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  • cybermaster98, good for you!

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  • peter on Mar 15, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    hello cybermaster98! I thought you only talk about RESALE VALUE??

    WOW! pro………. Huiyo! Huiyo!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 15, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    peter said,

    March 15, 2010 @ 3:16 pm

    hello cybermaster98! I thought you only talk about RESALE VALUE??

    WOW! pro………. Huiyo! Huiyo!

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    If u had read ALL my posts you would know the answer to your own question. Why dont u do your own research rather than vomit out what others say? Just cuz some guys said i only talk bout resale value, u say the same thing without thinking? Haha! Go read wht ive said. Its all there.

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  • cybermaster98 said,

    March 15, 2010 @ 2:51 pm

    I have compared and ill keep on comparing. So far im fine. My 2003 Vios is in good condition and it serves me well. I came back from Ipoh yesterday and managed to hit 190kmph (again) at 4600 rpm. Not a safe act for sure but not bad for a 7 yr old car engine eh?

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    U see what I mean, this guy brain………

    Other people Vios even reach even reached 230km/h, you only 190km/h meh? You should tried faster lei, but dont hurt anyone.

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  • peter on Mar 15, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    hello cybermaster98! I don't have time for you! I don't time to read your what what what posts! Thanks for inviting me anyway!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 15, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    III said,

    March 15, 2010 @ 3:37 pm

    U see what I mean, this guy brain………

    Other people Vios even reach even reached 230km/h, you only 190km/h meh? You should tried faster lei, but dont hurt anyone.

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    Please tell me exactly who and how did they measure their 230kmph. I really want to see your response now. I know how to catch those who tell lies. Come my friend. Im waiting.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 15, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    peter said,

    March 15, 2010 @ 3:53 pm

    hello cybermaster98! I don’t have time for you! I don’t time to read your what what what posts! Thanks for inviting me anyway!

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    U dont have time to read the posts but u have time to type nonsense comments based on somebody elses view??? Haha! Ure a walking joke yourself and u know it. The reason why u say u dont have time is because you HAVE ALREADY read my posts and now u know the truth but cannot admit. Haha!

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  • kenny_lim on Mar 16, 2010 at 12:03 am

    cybermaster,

    the resale value is one of the problem with kia car but i think if the owner loves their car, it should not be a problem. korean car depreciates 5k/yr this yr, mine only depreciates 1k (not sure if i was over charged for the insurance). if the problems that u mentioned are true, then that is when the nightmare starts……..

    i had mine, a well known issue on the steering wheel. the hq knew about this but never told anyone. even the foreman does not know such a thing so after this and that for few months, only that i got it fixed when i went throught the management. that is why i would not recommend the car because of the one who sold it. so far the car is fine but the problem is the parts, expensive and hard to find……

    so as long as u all take care of ur cars and no manufacturing/design defect, no problem. else you will be having nightmare claiming for the warranty. my aircond switch is still havent claimed after more than 3 yrs……no one bother to call and no one seems to know anything…..

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  • WhiteForteR on Mar 16, 2010 at 12:53 am

    Cybermaster,

    Every car bounds to have problems/issues here and there. Even BM and Merc does. Can you tell me which 1 does not? And sometimes, it is just base on lucks.

    Check the other websites and you will find out what problems/issues T&H have with their premium price. I have a fren who owns H and giving him so many problems and unresolved issues that made him fedup and parked his car right infront of the H office.

    Although I don't fully agree to all you said and we are at the opposite side, but i will defense your right and freedom for speech.

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  • Copy and Paste from http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1356271/+60

    huhu

    i quote someone posting on KM's FB here.. it means Forte is definitely value for our money!! and shame to T & H for cheating their customer and for fanboy also… poor them. kekeke

    QUOTE

    Don't you know that since the 2006 NAP, Japanese makes with ASEAN origin CKD have ZERO import duty, and can get 100% excise duty exemption (ZERO excise duty) due to their parts being of ASEAN origin (Malaysian Govt. considers it 'local' parts).

    Basically they just pay for local assembly (around RM1500-2000/car) and Sales Tax 10%. Do you know what this means? Get the picture?

    However, the Japanese have NOT reduced their prices since 2006 have they? Bash me if you want but I'm supporting the brand that gives Malaysians more specs, better build quality and nice designs WITHOUT charging them an arm and a leg.

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    I said before

    "For VOIS, we can only find this car in the thirdworld countries like us in Malaysia. T & H people r really smart, they know u asian worship their brand, so they just need to put their batch on a basic car and sell to u at a premium price. If u r familiar with cars, just look at the techs on VIOS, u will understand what I said. (OMG, those cars VOS & CT don’t even have crash test result).

    Those cars r selling so expensive, pls dont blame the gov, it has noting to do with TAX, the actual profit margin r so high that U would not believe. (trust me!)"

    I know some of the top management in UMW, there is why I know about their profit margin on their car.

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  • cybermaster98 said,

    March 15, 2010 @ 3:55 pm

    Please tell me exactly who and how did they measure their 230kmph. I really want to see your response now. I know how to catch those who tell lies. Come my friend. Im waiting.

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    I tried to tease this master and he response with "I know how to catch those who tell lies", OMG, he can't even fifferenciate what is joke or what is real and he tried to ask me to prove someone Vios has actually reached 230km/h.

    OMG, what type of brain it is????

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  • Heard that UMW pays more than 6 mths bonus.

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  • chris on Mar 16, 2010 at 1:57 am

    I believe forte is value for money car.

    The way i see it, the car ( forte ) is not the issue here , but the dealer ( NAZA ) is. I just do not trust NAZA with servicing/maintenance etc. Let just hope they can provide better service from now on.

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  • I asked YOU a question ? How pedantic you are …hahahahahah ! But nevermind, you can keep rambling here while I go and enjoy myself with my Korean babe.

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  • I asked YOU a question ? How pedantic you are …hahahahahah ! But nevermind, you can keep your incessant rambling here while I go and enjoy myself with my Korean babe.

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  • kenny_lim on Mar 16, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    III,

    i remembered the nap as well and everyone is rejoicing over this. but the catch, our ministry has put in other 'taxes' to those cars. so not much difference if those taxes we reduced, i'm sure as i thought of changing my kia. i thought of getting a cheap car too but when i heard that the ministry of trade is putting other taxes in as well, i give up.

    as for profit margin, i saw a kia picanto registered at jpj. the price when it reaches port klang? around USD2k-2.5k and the selling price at that time is 48-50k. add those 'local assembled' parts, the car might be just rm10k. so the distributor might have 200-300% of profit on their cars. i can say for kia but others, i'm not sure.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 16, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    III said,

    March 15, 2010 @ 5:28 pm

    tried to tease this master and he response with “I know how to catch those who tell lies”, OMG, he can’t even fifferenciate what is joke or what is real and he tried to ask me to prove someone Vios has actually reached 230km/h.

    OMG, what type of brain it is????

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    That is why i asked u to prove it didnt i? Only a person with a brain will question silly statements like yours. By the way, i think the real reason is u didnt expect me to ask u to show proof on the speed which is why u diverted into saying this was a joke. HAHA.

    Anyway no worries

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  • Forte_Owner on Mar 16, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Here is the FC for my forte daily drive. The FC driving in city/town is a bit high and sometime hit until 9.7l/100 km ( 17 sen per km) (include traffic jam in Bayan Lepas ,Penang more than 30 mins) and driving in Highway FC only 6.6l/100 km (12 sen per km).

    While for full tank I almost can drive about 480 km ( Full tank only cost RM 79.50 ) . Please take note I only use the mineral engine oil for my car, if using the fully Synthetic the FC will be better.

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  • Forte_Owner on Mar 16, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    So far I have driven my forte a month and no complaint as this moment.

    Compare with my friend waja CPS , she found the new waja have a lot of mikey mouse in her new waja ( same month register)

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 16, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Forte_Owner said,

    March 16, 2010 @ 9:55 am

    Here is the FC for my forte daily drive. The FC driving in city/town is a bit high and sometime hit until 9.7l/100 km ( 17 sen per km) (include traffic jam in Bayan Lepas ,Penang more than 30 mins) and driving in Highway FC only 6.6l/100 km (12 sen per km).

    While for full tank I almost can drive about 480 km ( Full tank only cost RM 79.50 ) . Please take note I only use the mineral engine oil for my car, if using the fully Synthetic the FC will be better.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Fuel consumption in the first few months is very subjective. Best you test it after the 2nd service. What is your fuel tank capacity and what grade of fuel are u using? Is your 480km in town driving only or a mixture?

    I think the first service should be mineral and thereafter upgrade to semi and then fully. But i would really recommend you to use Fully Syn oil as it really makes your engine smooth and your FC is much better. Your engine pickup is also better. But i think the FC for the Forte is still quite ok.

    This is my latest experience with my own car:

    1) Model : Toyota Vios 1.5E (2003 model) with 2 passengers

    2) Petrol Used : Shell RON 97

    3) Engine Oil Used : Toyota Fully Syn

    4) Fuel Consumption : 20.5 litres (15.8km/L)

    5) Driving location : Damansara tol till Juru tol (non stop) – 324km

    6) Average Speed : 130kmph

    If its 100% city driving, my full tank (42L) last gave me 567km. This adds up to a FC of 13.5km/L. Im a smooth driver with a gradual pick-up's and not much hard braking. It was almost a full tank cuz when i refilled i managed to fill 41.5L. Almost dry!. Anyway, i think its good fuel economy plus the fact that my car is almost 7 yrs old. Toyota does make efficient engines. Not sure what the others think as this is just my own experience. Cheers!

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  • WhiteForteR on Mar 16, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    I enjoy my kimchi.

    responsive engine, comfortable rides, electronic chromic rear mirror to reduce glares, automated aircon that adjust the cool air, keyless entry by pressing the button at the door handle, push-start engine button, large boot size, beautiful rear lamp lights, 4 revser sensors with parking assistance indicator to show the remaining distance, UV glass (don't even need to tint my window to get cooler temperature), EURO III emission (save the Earth), crash test with NCAP 4 stars (feel secured tho i don't speed), ABS/BAS/TCS/ESC/EBD/CBC/dual airbags (feel much safer), 4-disc brakes, USB&IPOD (cool!), active headrest (to protect my neck in accident, touch wood!), informative trip computer (tell me my driving habbits to give me good fuel mgmt), bla bla bla.

    Sa lang Heh Yo! Kimchi!

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  • My resale value for myvi is higher than hyundai accident and kia spectra

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  • Here are some interesting news to share… Korean cars nowaday are growing damm fast… make me can't wait to change car more often…

    http://paultan.org/2010/03/16/hyundai-overtakes-j…

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  • Jason on Mar 16, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Hi, I just wondering on the reliability of the keyless entry in the forte. Salesman informed that cost to replace lost key is RM2K.

    Would appreciate it if any forte owners can provide updates on actual forte performance on the road and naza after sales service.

    I went for the test drive around Subang Jaya but bcos of the many traffic and lack of straight road, I could not test the forte fully.

    Also, any advice on whether I shld go for the 1.6 full or low specs. Many thks to all.

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  • sumo33 on Mar 16, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Forte 9.7l/100 km, very very good, but I have seen frm forum someone even managed to hit 5.9l/l00 km, that alone deserves some applause. Forte is the best bang for buck at the moment. No one can deny it . I am booking one by this week.

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  • sumo33 on Mar 16, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Hi, I just wondering on the reliability of the keyless entry in the forte. Salesman informed that cost to replace lost key is RM2K.

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    Be willing to pay for new technology. Otherwise just get the Forte EX. free bodykit as well. :)

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  • sumo33 on Mar 16, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    actually was looking at civic and forte , dugong doesnt even stand a chance with me .Forte wins hands down.

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  • sumo33 on Mar 16, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    actually was looking at civic and forte , dugong doesnt even stand a chance with me. Forte wins hands down.

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  • sumo33 on Mar 16, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Was actually looking at Civic, dugong doesnt stand a chance with me at all, fugly looking car. Forte wins big time

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  • aghaney on Mar 16, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    Nice comment Paul….

    I have driven and own Proton (Saga-old one,wira, waja) and a Honda Civic 1.7 and already tested and booked a Forte….why?

    Price for Product….wisely enough for me I hope. After the test drive its so great. The handling is even better then the civic in a way (the honda is soft handling), taking a sharp turn at 90 kmph just smooth, better then any car I drive before.

    The brakes are very good. As for the smart key…just imagine it is a bluetooth device not just a key. Try it at any branch of KIA for a better impression…….

    Go Get In , Get One…… I'll be getting my 2.0 soon………

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  • Dylan on Mar 17, 2010 at 12:01 am

    Forte is the best car I never had before! Speechless!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 17, 2010 at 12:08 am

    aghaney said,

    March 16, 2010 @ 3:41 pm

    Nice comment Paul….

    I have driven and own Proton (Saga-old one,wira, waja) and a Honda Civic 1.7 and already tested and booked a Forte….why?

    Price for Product….wisely enough for me I hope. After the test drive its so great. The handling is even better then the civic in a way (the honda is soft handling), taking a sharp turn at 90 kmph just smooth, better then any car I drive before.

    The brakes are very good. As for the smart key…just imagine it is a bluetooth device not just a key. Try it at any branch of KIA for a better impression…….

    Go Get In , Get One…… I’ll be getting my 2.0 soon………

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    Have u driven any of the new models like the Civic 2.0, Altis 1.8, etc? If u compare against Proton or old Civic's im sure the Forte will feel like a Porsche. But then again im sure the Forte is a decent ride.

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  • Now I am starting to doubt all these good stories of Kia Forte coming in right and left. Any chance you guys are all Naza-Kia salesperson?

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 17, 2010 at 12:24 am

    sumo33 said,

    March 16, 2010 @ 1:39 pm

    Forte 9.7l/100 km, very very good, but I have seen frm forum someone even managed to hit 5.9l/l00 km, that alone deserves some applause. Forte is the best bang for buck at the moment. No one can deny it . I am booking one by this week.

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    I managed to get 7.4L/100km in my Toyota Vios (100% city driving) just recently. 5.9L/100km is really good. What car/ model was that?

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  • aghaney on Mar 17, 2010 at 12:36 am

    to Sumo33….,

    The price u mentioned is for BMW and Merc……… Forte's not that expensive….. Some more the Forte smartkey can be put in yr pocket and there is no need to tak it oiut in order to starts the car. Just be in the 4 feet radius of the vehicle it can be start already. Not like the BMW and Merc ones need to be pluged in the socket at all time……. So this is where Forte shows its capability……

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  • sumo33 on Mar 17, 2010 at 1:09 am

    cybermaster98 said,

    March 16, 2010 @ 4:24 pm

    I managed to get 7.4L/100km in my Toyota Vios (100% city driving) just recently. 5.9L/100km is really good. What car/ model was that?

    FORTE lor. Got proof in KIA FORTE Forum in FB, got picture somemore. Eat you heart out …..Forte bashers out there….

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  • sumo33 on Mar 17, 2010 at 1:10 am

    ARX said,

    March 16, 2010 @ 4:16 pm

    Now I am starting to doubt all these good stories of Kia Forte coming in right and left. Any chance you guys are all Naza-Kia salesperson?

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    LOL @ ARX, just go check out KIA FORTE in FB, and check out those owners picture and comments yourself. :)

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  • sumo33 on Mar 17, 2010 at 1:12 am

    Cybermaster, I tot you said your dugong gives u """"If its 100% city driving, my full tank (42L) last gave me 567km. This adds up to a FC of 13.5km/L.""""

    Now 7.4l/100km pulak, so fast change story one???

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  • 7.4 l/100 km is the same as 13.5km/l but reversed. Its like 1USD:RM3.50 or RM1:USD0.285.

    Cheers guys, all parties here just love your rides. No need to get personal.

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  • BeNeutral on Mar 17, 2010 at 5:06 am

    surprisingly, i have experience a very good service provided by Puchong Naza service centre especially the manager. good in handling customer's question and spent lots of time to explain the situation to me and solve the problem.

    guys, please share some good service that you have experience instead of bad service. people is like that, they will only voice out/complaint if they are not satisfied but they never compliment each other if the people done it well.

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  • Korean cars nowadays have improved a lot.Last time they didnt even have their own engine.Even in the US The reviewer call FORTE as 'inexpensive car".Why?Bcoz of its good quality and fuel efficient.Those days the spectra model was not even in the top '20' among compact sedans.Now the all new forte is ranked 4th even beating Toyota corolla/Altis.So think about it.

    CHECK THE LINK BELOW FOR REVIEW

    http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/…

    Do you know that the hyundai Genesis was voted Car of Year 2009 in the US

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  • kenny_lim on Mar 17, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    i think not all are bashers, i'm one of the naza kia experienced customers. service center, bad service/expensive but some are professional in a way with customer butn ot with car. servicing there is expensive and they took my remaining oil although i had pay full for it. not a good practice…….

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 17, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    sumo33 said,

    March 16, 2010 @ 5:12 pm

    Cybermaster, I tot you said your dugong gives u “”"”If its 100% city driving, my full tank (42L) last gave me 567km. This adds up to a FC of 13.5km/L.”"”"

    Now 7.4l/100km pulak, so fast change story one???

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    Thats why i say some ppl here arent as intelligent as they claim to be. Next time try not to embarasses yourself and think before u say anything. If u have a weakness in Maths then use the calculator. Haha!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 17, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    sumo33 said,

    March 16, 2010 @ 5:09 pm

    cybermaster98 said,

    March 16, 2010 @ 4:24 pm

    I managed to get 7.4L/100km in my Toyota Vios (100% city driving) just recently. 5.9L/100km is really good. What car/ model was that?

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    FORTE lor. Got proof in KIA FORTE Forum in FB, got picture somemore. Eat you heart out …..Forte bashers out there….

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    5.9L /100km in a Forte? 100% city driving? Are u sure? What is the full tank capacity of the Forte?

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 17, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    lk said,

    March 16, 2010 @ 11:19 pm

    Korean cars nowadays have improved a lot.Last time they didnt even have their own engine.Even in the US The reviewer call FORTE as ‘inexpensive car”.Why?Bcoz of its good quality and fuel efficient.Those days the spectra model was not even in the top ‘20? among compact sedans.Now the all new forte is ranked 4th even beating Toyota corolla/Altis.So think about it

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    Toyota's dropped in the US because of the recall. Lets see how Toyota performs in March onwards.

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  • PokTeh on Mar 17, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    At long last after 2 long months I'm the owner of a new forte 1.6sx. Proud? Of course I'm, but ……

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  • Hyundai poses threat to Japanese carmakers

    Thu, Jan 07, 2010

    The Korea Herald/Asia News Network

    Japanese automakers see Hyundai Motor as a global threat with the Korean company's rapid sales and production growth, its focus on high quality and aggressive decision making power, Fortune magazine reported in its recent edition.

    The success story of Hyundai Motor in the global market was featured in a 10-page cover article in the global business magazine's Jan. 18 edition, which described it as "the toughest car company of them all."

    In the report, Fortune said the Korean automaker has shown the fastest growth in the world and particularly it is now threatening Japanese competitors.

    "Toyota used to say that Hyundai was the company it feared most. Today those fears have grown into a nightmare," the magazine said.

    It also pointed out Hyundai has proven its ability by making an early debut of the new Sonata model in the North American market, while others struggle with production schedules, rising costs and an erratic parts supply.

    "These days Hyundai could get ticketed for exceeding the limit," it said.

    The business magazine focused on the chairman's management philosophy.

    It said Hyundai Motor's chairman Chung Mong-koo has switched the focus of the company from volume to high quality after he took over the company from his father in 1999.

    Technology-based management strategy and continuous investment by the chairman have contributed to Hyundai's rise. "The Korean carmaker is speeding to the head of the pack with a focus on quality and a push into the luxury-car game," it said.

    Hyundai Motor and its sister company Kia Motor saw sales increase in the U.S. market, while other American and Japanese competitors struggled due to recession. According to the companies, Hyundai sold 435,064 vehicles last year, an 8.3 percent increase from a year earlier. Kia's American market share grew 4.2 percent with a 9.8 percent sales increase to 300,063 vehicles last year.

    The strong performance of Korean cars in the U.S. market was possible thanks to their enhanced brand image, boosted by Hyundai's Genesis Sedans, Hyundai assurance programs that provide trade-in bonuses, and a gas price protection program, the company said. The company's first luxury sports sedan, Genesis, which grabbed the attention of foreign auto industry publications, won a number of awards in North America last year.

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  • Most Forte problems are from the 1st batch in US and were rectified before it even reached Singapore….N even the windshield cracking problem in SG was rectified before it was launched in Malaysia…Currently most common problems in Malaysia are the door rattling and alignment (which is not a problem but an unsuited design for sloped roads in Malaysia)…..Still safety wise equivalent to 5 star NHTSA in US…unlike some brand which can run by itself and need police cruisers to chase n help!!!!…..some idiots(prob failed maths) keep on ranting bout resale values….wer already saving 30K – 40K in buying Forte 2.0 with specs tht Altis n Civic cant even match half of them(Vios n City no need to even say, can go compare wit Persona or somethin)…plus the interest we saved by not spending tht 30-40K on T n H…..ALL THT savings minus our resale value (which no one knows since new model n resale depends on customer demand n perception not on Brand)…we actually saved more than T n H although their resale higher…(for now, lets see hw long ppl wil stil wana buy car tht can run by itself)…

    T n H claim their price are because of tax…who theyr trying to kid….Toyota are Thailand CKDs…so get very low tax under AFTA…Hondas are mostly local CKDs…the tax are only for the parts imported…Forte are CBUs for now…only change logo to NAZA…

    n Honda owners pls push ur seat as further back as it can go…ur airbags are like time bombs…can explode anytime not just in crash..hahaha

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  • kenny_lim on Mar 17, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    the problem is always not the car but the distributor. should kia distributor is changed to others, definitely i would get it. for now…a no no after so many bad experience (both me and my sis). i'm talking as a kia owner…for resale value, not bother cos not planning to sell it at that time.

    the good thing:-

    – some parts of the car are quite lasting

    – body is strong (unlike others at the same range)

    – better quality worksmanship (on par with the jap)

    the bad things (all from distributor):-

    – parts are hard to find (might take months for it to arrive sometimes). last time ordered one parts and took more than 1 month to arrive.

    – parts are expensive

    – add on parts (skirting n etc) are locally assembled, not good quality but at premium price. my ori skirting got 'bubble', spoiler paint is 'disappearing'. other paint job is still fine.

    – bad customer service, not well informed staff/foreman.

    if the car is fine and well maintained, no worries except for resale value. else…..trust me, u'll curse naza till their ancestor grave.

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  • sumo33 on Mar 17, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    cybermaster98 said,

    5.9L /100km in a Forte? 100% city driving? Are u sure? What is the full tank capacity of the Forte?

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    Firstly, yes i admit I read wrongly on your FC post. Sorry abt that .

    Secondly, you can go check out the photos on FC consumption in FB. Dont believe what you see, can go query the members there. Whatever it is, in terms of specs/looks/toys/FC, your dugong doesn't stand a chance. But T should give you a medal for being such a loyal customer. heheeehehehee !

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  • Dylan on Mar 17, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    I think this cybermaster98 is Toyota's salesman!

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  • kenny_lim said,

    March 17, 2010 @ 12:44 pm

    the bad things (all from distributor):-

    – parts are hard to find (might take months for it to arrive sometimes). last time ordered one parts and took more than 1 month to arrive.

    – parts are expensive

    – add on parts (skirting n etc) are locally assembled, not good quality but at premium price. my ori skirting got ‘bubble’, spoiler paint is ‘disappearing’. other paint job is still fine.

    – bad customer service, not well informed staff/foreman.

    —————————————————————-

    You should be glad that Kia is distributed by Naza, otherwise, you wont get such a nice price on Forte. (sometime, I have to salute Naza that they r able to sell their car at such a low reasonable price)

    Just look at Sime Darby how much they sell on their Hyundai cars (i30 2.0(RM116,000), then look at UMW (Toyata), berjaya (Mazda) and Honda

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  • Dylan said,

    March 17, 2010 @ 1:48 pm

    I think this cybermaster98 is Toyota’s salesman!

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    He is the MASTER of Toyota, toyota is is is ……the best for him.

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  • WhiteForteR on Mar 18, 2010 at 12:05 am

    Die hard Toyota Master.

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  • kenny_lim on Mar 18, 2010 at 1:34 am

    III said,

    March 17, 2010 @ 3:06 pm

    You should be glad that Kia is distributed by Naza, otherwise, you wont get such a nice price on Forte. (sometime, I have to salute Naza that they r able to sell their car at such a low reasonable price)

    Just look at Sime Darby how much they sell on their Hyundai cars (i30 2.0(RM116,000), then look at UMW (Toyata), berjaya (Mazda) and Honda

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    haha….hope you will be saying this in the next few years…hahaha….i do agree hyundai cars are a bit overpriced. but to say salute Naza, i salute u for saying this. hope u're not a kia salesman…….if not, jus wait till u got a manufacturing defect or warranty claim then i wil salute u if u still say naza is great. else, you will have peace of mind……for a long time………jus hope there would not be a major repair. good luck in your car ownership….it is just too early to say it…just too early……

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  • chris on Mar 18, 2010 at 1:45 am

    cybermaster98 was right. toyota is da best. wahahahahaha ….

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  • chris on Mar 18, 2010 at 1:51 am

    dugong is da best …wahahahaha …..

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  • uh now I'm in dilemma to buy Vios or Forte. Difficult decision

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    • cumi&ciki on Mar 25, 2010 at 7:33 pm

      korean is like diving to unknown.. put korean aside, 2 doors rocks..

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  • sumo33 on Mar 18, 2010 at 7:36 am

    rudy said,

    March 17, 2010 @ 8:37 pm

    uh now I’m in dilemma to buy Vios or Forte. Difficult decision

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    lol, u call that a dilemma. OMG !

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  • Rudy…again we want to remind u…pls dont compare Vios to Forte…its an insult…Vios is a practically empty B segment car while Forte is a full spec C segment….

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  • Dylan on Mar 18, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Stubborn Master! Haha!

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  • WhiteForteR on Mar 18, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    ARX,

    We are not KIA/NAZA salesman, we are just happy FORTE owners. Go find us in www.kiafortemalaysia.com

    Rudy,

    I own a Vios and Forte, so i can compare them. Forte wins hands down.

    I have been driving/riding in my fren's Altis and Civic. Altis, comfortable and good FC, other than that, does not give me any "WOW" effects (don't even bother about the resale). Civic is a good car no doubts but services and spare parts cost is too high. T&H are good cars, but they are just overpriced too high. So it makes me think twice.

    I have been thinking of getting a new car. Altis1.6 RM105k, Altis1.8 RM112k, Civic1.8 RM115k, Forte1.6 RM81K and Forte2.0 RM94K. With the premium and safety features Forte is giving (6 airbags in 2.0), man, u tell me which is more value for money?

    With the instant cash i save from buying a Forte, I can use it to pay for the expensive spare parts or so-called high FC (12~14km/L, high or not?). Or I can even put them in investment (and i did, now untung already).

    Let's fabricate the TCO for a 10 years/100k km ownership as below:

    1. FC(100k km @ RM1.90, Forte 12km/L and others 16km/L):

    civic/vios/altis=12k, forte=16k

    2. maintenance cost (based on official published price):

    civic=5.5k, vios=2.5k, altis=2.7k, forte=2.9k

    3. spare parts (based on market price that japs RM1 and korean RM1.20 ratio, japs car price * 30% and korean * 40%, so what if i make it higher):

    civic=34.5k, vios=25.8k, altis=33.6k, forte=32.4k

    So estimated TCO:

    1. Altis1.8 = RM160k

    2. Vios1.5 = RM126k

    3. Civic1.8 = RM166k

    4. Forte1.6 = RM132k

    Supposed u sold ur car, then we talk about the resale value now. Let's say Civic/Altis gets 50% depreciated of car price after 10years and Forte sold only at rm20k (low resale value mah).

    TCO/ Resale/ New TCO

    1. Altis1.8 = RM160k – 60k = 100k

    2. Vios1.5 = RM126k – 40k = 86k – cash saving 30k = 50k

    3. Civic1.8 = RM166k – 60k = 106k

    4. Forte1.6 = RM132k – 20k = 112k – cash saving 30k = 82k

    (forte and vios cash saving are calculated based on civic price)

    All calculations are not in favour of Forte, but I still get a TCO of 82k. In the same C-segment, it is the lowest. Vios is still the best saving car (but Vanilla lor), but again, it is not in this C-segment.

    So conclusion, go for Vios, if u just want a normal car, normal ride. For me, i wan some excitement with reasonable price, i got the Forte. The rest, orang kaya with more cash to spend, feed the Altis and Civic.

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  • Well written WhiteForte. If those people still can't get this into their head, I advise them to start Std 1 again ;)

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  • whiteforteR….ur the man…hats off….like koji said…if those jokers stil dont get it…their 11 yrs schooling is worth a trash…

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  • aliriaruz on Mar 19, 2010 at 7:52 am

    someone who bought kia / hyundai / sanyong etc… they know nothing about cars..haha

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  • aliriaruz said,

    March 18, 2010 @ 11:52 pm

    someone who bought kia / hyundai / sanyong etc… they know nothing about cars..haha

    ============================================

    Perhaps you should enlighten us , but before you continue, please improve your command of English so that we can understand you better…hehe

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  • aliriaruz said,

    March 18, 2010 @ 11:52 pm

    someone who bought kia / hyundai / sanyong etc… they know nothing about cars..haha

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    I agreed with your statement and this was true the 90s and early 2000 Korean cars wasn't up to the standard of Jap manufacturer.

    But however, since the launched of Forte, the whole picture has been change.

    This car is so modern and advanced that its almost on par with most of the Japan C-segment. Moreover, the most exciting part is that the price are RM30k -RM40k different from those Jap C-seg.

    Please do not compare those Jap B-segment (Vios & CT), these cars are only meant for third world countries and not up to international standard at all.

    And someone was so proud to mention here that he drove his 2003 Vios up to 190km/h, but in my opinion, this guy is just a PURE IDIOT and so I suggested that he drive to 230km/h and will see what would happened then.

    go go go….. 230km/h……

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  • uyafr on Mar 19, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    bravo whiteForteR,

    bravo for your comments, i sincerely think that some ppl are so blindly loyal to the T and H they cannot see other brands that are making strides and improving over their vios and city…

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 19, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    don said,

    March 17, 2010 @ 12:13 pm

    Still safety wise equivalent to 5 star NHTSA in US…unlike some brand which can run by itself and need police cruisers to chase n help!!!!…..

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    U obviously arent up to date with the news eh? Next time dont just vomit out rubbish and embarrass yourself before checking your facts. Go read the news bro!

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  • WhiteForteR on Mar 19, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    aliriaruz,

    Not all the car buyers know well about cars, we r not the mechanics or car engineers. To us, we are just looking for a commuter car that brings us from point A to B with reasonable FC and maintenance cost.

    Who on earth are you to make such a comment and how well do u know about cars then? Korean's cars might not be better than japs but they are way better than our P1/P2, at least they are sold worldwide, better than ours that is the champion in kampung. Go to the US car ranking n it will tell u that.

    Don't u know that the giant car maker T ever said that the Korean worries them very much? and yes, this is true now. In US car market, korean is the only 1 with profit (avante and forte dominates it) while all other car makers are suffering. Why? due to their value for money and quality car.

    The giant US car makers ever laugh at the japs cars that are in their soils, they ever said japs know nothing about car making. Look at what is happening to those US car makers now? Most of them closed down or in debts, and the japs dominates their car market.

    aliriaruz, don't block your head like our P car maker and being a frog in a well. step out from your kampung at look around in the world.

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  • johan on Mar 19, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    I had bad experience with Naza customer services..no doubt Kia forte is a good car but Naza should improve their customer service as they may loose customer if they still continuing bad customer service…

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  • aiya! cybermaster98 is still alive…

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  • johan said,

    March 19, 2010 @ 10:24 am

    I had bad experience with Naza customer services..no doubt Kia forte is a good car but Naza should improve their customer service as they may loose customer if they still continuing bad customer service…

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    The forte is the car which can help Naza, to excel in Malaysia market, and if they screw up this time, then this will be the end of them.

    In my opinion, I think Naza is serious about thier Part & Service this time, except they really need to improve the quality of their SA.

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  • kenny_lim on Mar 19, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    johan said,

    March 19, 2010 @ 10:24 am

    I had bad experience with Naza customer services..no doubt Kia forte is a good car but Naza should improve their customer service as they may loose customer if they still continuing bad customer service…

    ——————-

    johan,

    i feel you. it is not the car that we do not wan to buy (we love those high tech thingy) but would u buy a car that u have to put aside waiting for the parts and not knowing when u can get it? imagine my warranty claims until now (3yrs) and still havent got a call from them. i got to go to management and then only that they start to do something but i reject cos don wan to waste my time with them anymore. my sis jus got her 206 after 6 months of waiting, why? cos car goes to the 'VIP' allocations. call to customer svc, ask us to pay undertable rm2k.

    i've seen how ppl told me how they loved their Kia but in the end (after 2-3yrs of ownership), got sold for other brand. if it is so good, then why it was sold?

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 19, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    mike said,

    March 19, 2010 @ 11:14 am

    aiya! cybermaster98 is still alive…

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    Yes i am bro. Hey we should all meet up 1 day. Would be great to put a face to all these comments. But it should be a peaceful meeting maybe over some beers. I suggest we talk about sports instead of cars

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  • cybermaster98 said,

    March 19, 2010 @ 8:59 am

    U obviously arent up to date with the news eh? Next time dont just vomit out rubbish and embarrass yourself before checking your facts. Go read the news bro!

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    wat??…u mean the conspiracy theory….those are normal ppl who almost lost their lives, n T has the cheek to say they are conspiring to bring them down…wtf…n if u r up to date…u wud hav read the H more recall for brakes…wow….T n H making history….they gonna b legends….but of course the ones in Malaysia are not affected…the T in Malaysia are Thaiyotas, so using quite a number of Thai made parts, and H are Malacca CKD…so using lots of local parts…

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  • cybermaster98 said,

    March 19, 2010 @ 8:59 am

    U obviously arent up to date with the news eh? Next time dont just vomit out rubbish and embarrass yourself before checking your facts. Go read the news bro!

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    come read the news then…..

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld…

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 19, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    don said,

    March 19, 2010 @ 2:24 pm

    cybermaster98 said,

    March 19, 2010 @ 8:59 am

    U obviously arent up to date with the news eh? Next time dont just vomit out rubbish and embarrass yourself before checking your facts. Go read the news bro!

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    come read the news then…..

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld…
    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Now u know why i keep saying that YOU need a certain level of intelligence and a decent command of English to prevent yourself from being embarrassed?

    U posted an article which attacked the general problem with the Toyota recalls over the past few months which was not the issue at hand. But what i was responding to was your stupid statement on the runaway Prius which required police assistance to stop.

    http://paultan.org/2010/03/16/toyota-fights-fire-…

    Next time read and understand ENGLISH before commenting aimlessly. Only stupid fools like yourself will jump at a word without checking facts. Not all 'runaway' cases are due to faults silly. Some things need to be checked and proven.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 19, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    III said,

    March 19, 2010 @ 11:17 am

    The forte is the car which can help Naza, to excel in Malaysia market, and if they screw up this time, then this will be the end of them.

    In my opinion, I think Naza is serious about their Part & Service this time, except they really need to improve the quality of their SA.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    I hope so to bro…i really do.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 19, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    IIII said,

    March 19, 2010 @ 1:21 am

    And someone was so proud to mention here that he drove his 2003 Vios up to 190km/h, but in my opinion, this guy is just a PURE IDIOT and so I suggested that he drive to 230km/h and will see what would happened then.

    go go go….. 230km/h……

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    It wont hit 230kmph as anybody in their right frame of mind would know. Another stupid statement from an even PURER IDIOT. Haha!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 19, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    don said,

    March 19, 2010 @ 1:59 pm

    cybermaster98 said,

    March 19, 2010 @ 8:59 am

    U obviously arent up to date with the news eh? Next time dont just vomit out rubbish and embarrass yourself before checking your facts. Go read the news bro!

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    wat??…u mean the conspiracy theory….those are normal ppl who almost lost their lives, n T has the cheek to say they are conspiring to bring them down…wtf…n if u r up to date…u wud hav read the H more recall for brakes…wow….T n H making history….they gonna b legends….but of course the ones in Malaysia are not affected…the T in Malaysia are Thaiyotas, so using quite a number of Thai made parts, and H are Malacca CKD…so using lots of local parts…

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    No i do not mean the conspiracy thoery which only fools like you would connect to this particular issue which im highlighting. You really are dumb arent u? U can even understand wht im trying to say. Anyway, ive posted the article in reference in an earlier post.

    I also think ure not too smart cuz u obviously have your head in a hole. Did u know about the smaller Ford and Hyundai recalls last month as well? Bet u didnt eh? Cuz a birdbrain like you is more interested in finding fault with Toyota and Honda.

    Vehical recalls have been common for many vehicle makes. The reason why Toyota is standing out is cuz it affects a lot more vehicles and 1 driver managed to make a phone call before his car crashed. Thats all.

    But its good it happened cuz at least now Toyota (or any other manufacturer) will hopefully not take customer safety for granted.

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  • WhiteForteR on Mar 19, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    Guys,

    your comments getting more and more personal now. cool down.

    btw, share some info with u guys.

    Forte Safety Ratings (5 Star by US NHTSA)
    http://www.safecar.gov/

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  • cybermaster98 said,

    March 19, 2010 @ 2:38 pm

    It wont hit 230kmph as anybody in their right frame of mind would know. Another stupid statement from an even PURER IDIOT. Haha!

    —————————————————————-

    Until now, this "dont no what brain" still don't get the point why I mentioned Vios can reach 230km/h.

    Of cource the 2003 vios would never hit 230km/h, this is just a false statement to provoke and make the PURE IDIOT DRIVER go faster. I just hope the PURE IDIOT DRIVER of the 2003 super Toyota Vios 1.5E will just drive as fast as he has mentioned at 190km/h and then wil see in some day that his super Third World Vios fly.

    What really a PURE IDIOT DRIVER going 190km/h with his 2003 Third World Vios, some more so proud about his car.

    And most important, it is the most selfish act on the road. He should be taken off from the road by any how before he really hurt some innocent people one day.

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  • hello birdmaster! please don't talk nonsense here! stop making noise!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 22, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    mike said,

    March 20, 2010 @ 10:40 am

    hello birdmaster! please don’t talk nonsense here! stop making noise!

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Yes i may talk nonsense but i surely make more sense than you. Haha! Grow up bro.

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  • hello birdmaster! DON'T BE CHILDISH! Hahhahahahhaahhahaha!

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  • This cybermaster98 is making a lot of enermies over this forum.

    Let find out who is this.

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  • Cybermaster98 = Cyberidiot with an IQ of -98

    At least he admits he talks nonsense, now that's a good progress.

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  • hmmmm well because of he jealous Forte!

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  • Hi all, just ignore him!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 22, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    III said,

    March 22, 2010 @ 9:38 am

    This cybermaster98 is making a lot of enermies over this forum.

    Let find out who is this.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Alot of enemies? Haha! Its just a few ppl who keep sending many posts thats all. Why dont u count or is your maths really that bad? Those so called 'enemies' are those who cant accept constructive critisisms of the Forte. What i post are my opinions and everybody is free to comment on them the way i comment on theirs. If u feel inferior then its not really my fault. Choose a better car then! Hehe!

    Anyway, i think all of you are great guys with a lot of knowledge. Just that we sometimes get a bit emotional (me included). But still a great forum.

    Cheers!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 22, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    papa said,

    March 22, 2010 @ 12:25 pm

    Cybermaster98 = Cyberidiot with an IQ of -98

    At least he admits he talks nonsense, now that’s a good progress

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    Wow! Didnt realise there was such a thing called negative IQ. U must be a genius to come up with that. U surely have the wow factor! Why dont u give me your full name and ill show u what a guy with a negative IQ can do with such basic information.

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  • johan on Mar 22, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    Wow, i think this is the most lenghty disccusion ever compared to the others…with so many pros and cons…keep it up guys…

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  • cybermaster98 said,

    March 22, 2010 @ 12:59 pm

    Wow! Didnt realise there was such a thing called negative IQ. U must be a genius to come up with that. U surely have the wow factor! Why dont u give me your full name and ill show u what a guy with a negative IQ can do with such basic information.

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    Thanks for your compliments. There are much more things that you haven't realize yet. And you think you know it all huh?. Anyway, it doesn't take a genius to diagnose that you have an IQ in the negative. :))

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 23, 2010 at 1:23 am

    yen said,

    March 22, 2010 @ 12:36 pm

    hmmmm well because of he jealous Forte!

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    If u knew me well enuf you would know that i have no reason to be jealous of anything

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 23, 2010 at 1:25 am

    papa said,

    March 22, 2010 @ 2:54 pm

    Thanks for your compliments. There are much more things that you haven’t realize yet. And you think you know it all huh?. Anyway, it doesn’t take a genius to diagnose that you have an IQ in the negative

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    Did i ever say i know everything? Please show me the proof or ru just like some of them who merely hurl false accusations without checking their facts and then when i prove them wrong they start hammering me on the forum to mask their embarrassment. Typical! Haha!

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  • sumo33 on Mar 23, 2010 at 3:06 am

    Aiyah, let him syiok sendiri la. Poor guy. No one here is on his side. It must be lonely being him , no one to talk to, nothing better to do, no Forte to drive, stuck with dugong, pity him la. He is desperately seeking attention, albeit bad ones. He needs professional help.

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  • jenna on Mar 23, 2010 at 4:32 am

    I was wondering why in 2009 in singapore korean cars like avante was on the 1st spot, forte on the 3rd in terms of units sold.

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  • cybermaster98 said,

    March 4, 2010 @ 2:56 pm

    They’re surely prasing u cuz of the looks and the specs. Nothing else. Did u read my posts earlier? A good car is mostly determined by 6 factors:

    1) Specs

    2) Quality

    3) Value for money

    4) After sales service standards

    5) Cost of maintenance & spare parts

    6) Resale value

    I doubt any car has all 5 qualities. But the Forte only has No 1 and No 3 going for it currently. I dont think that qualifies it as a ‘good’ car. It may qualify under the ‘feel good’ category.

    The Vios has No 2, 4, 5 & 6 going for it. The Honda City probably has No 1, 2, 5 & 6. I dont rank these cars as value for money as i think they are over-priced. But still these 2 cars are ahead of the Forte in other departments. I think the Honda City is still a better buy although im a Toyota user.

    —————————————————————–

    This " don't no what brain" cybermaster98 is still driving his 2003 super third world Vios, hope one day he will fly together with it on190km/h.

    So pity that he can not afford Forte, so said Forte no good loh…… no resale value……high maintaninance……..bad quality…….bad after sale service……and bla bla bla….

    =============================================

    cybermaster98 said,

    March 15, 2010 @ 2:34 pm

    Anybody can buy 2nd hand BMW’s. Its those who buy them brand new which are a niche group. Hehe!

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    My 2000 BMW E39 is a truely german machine, it can run steadly at 230km/h and of couse I will never intend to try it. (however, it can't t fly, not like your 2003 super third world Vios).

    You r right, my car may be worth RM80K right now that many people can afford to buy it, but however, not manys can afford to maintain it.

    I can appreciated and enjoyed the handling, the comfort and safe feeling of my BMW E39, just like I appreciated the specs and the design of Forte which I considered a very outstanding car. (I have placed my booking on Forte last week). There is a great pleasure of driving a Forte on the road and have manys throw their eyes on u. This is what I called life enjoying.

    This is definitely not someone like u driving a 2003 third world Vios can understand.

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  • Dylan on Mar 23, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Hello MASTER, not embarrassment! PROOF?? What proof?? Find by yourself lah! Fxxk! We just not interested in talking a person like you! Wasting our time! Hahhaahhhhaa! Hehheheheheeh! :P

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  • I have a Toyota Vios. But now I am going to trade-in and get a new Forte. I am still waiting for my new Forte! So excited! :))

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  • Dylan1977 on Mar 23, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Hello MASTER, not embarrassment! PROOF?? What proof?? Find by yourself lah! F! We just not interested in talking a person like you! Wasting our time! Hahhaahhhhaa! Hehheheheheeh! :P

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 23, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    sumo33 said,

    March 22, 2010 @ 7:06 pm

    Aiyah, let him syiok sendiri la. Poor guy. No one here is on his side. It must be lonely being him , no one to talk to, nothing better to do, no Forte to drive, stuck with dugong, pity him la. He is desperately seeking attention, albeit bad ones. He needs professional help.

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    No one here on my side? Do u know how to read or ru blind? Go check all the posts above kiddo. No one on my side? 45K new Toyota Vios owners in 2009 are on my side. How many do u have my friend? The income margin of those going for Toyota's are far superior to those going for Korean makes so does that make them ALL dumb? Talk sense my friend. Go understand why ppl still choose the Japs despite their inflated prices. Anyway, its not my side or any side. My comments are based on my personal experience with Toyota and Kia plus input from owners of both Korean makes.

    As ive said many times pls go check 5 Kia service centres and see if what i say holds any water. If not it doesnt matter. Those who slam me here only do it because they know they are fighting a losing battle against Toyota's superior quality, after sales service standards, price of spare parts and resale value. Go read all the comments above and u will see the same trend. Go check out the comments in the Vios Facelift forum and ull see.

    I am not a Toyota salesman and neither am i against the Korean makes. Toyota is not the best and i too agree that it is overpriced for the specs we get. But I also hope that the Korean makes will improve their after sales service, quality and maintenance costs because only then will they be able to compete with Toyota and Honda. The Japs need a competitor and although the Koreans have come a long way they still lack that cutting edge to truly challenge the Japs.

    They cannot employ the same sales tactics they use in America here in Malaysia. In the US cars are so much cheaper thus ppl change cars more often than here in Malaysia. After sales service dont really matter since ure only spending about $20K on a car or less. Prices of spare parts are also much cheaper. In Malaysia, everything is about maintenance, after sales service and resale value. Its not a wrong perception but rather an important one as we operate in a different economic climate thanks to the emergence of Proton.

    So please try and understand this as i have said it so many times. Yes i do spend some time commenting on cars as i am passionate about certain cars. But i have always been fair in my comments (except if i am dealing with certain characters here in the forum which require a more sharper tone of response).

    Cheers!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 23, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    Dylan1977 said,

    March 23, 2010 @ 9:25 am

    Hello MASTER, not embarrassment! PROOF?? What proof?? Find by yourself lah! F! We just not interested in talking a person like you! Wasting our time! Hahhaahhhhaa! Hehheheheheeh!

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    U keep on saying not interested in talking to me and wasting time bla bla bla…then why are u still responding to me? Why are u commenting on my posts? Walk the talk man…dont just vomit nonsense and then eat it again. HAHA!

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  • sumo33 on Mar 23, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Author: cybermaster98

    Comment:

    No one here on my side? Do u know how to read or ru blind? Go check all the posts above kiddo. No one on my side? 45K new Toyota Vios owners in ….So please try and understand this as i have said it so many times. Yes i do spend some time commenting on cars as i am passionate about certain cars. But i have always been fair in my comments (except if i am dealing with certain characters here in the forum which require a more sharper tone of response).

    Cheers!

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    most of the 45K Vios owner are kicking themselves left right and centre since Forte came along. My Forte owner friend went to do his tinting and this Vios guy waiting in line was ogling at Forte and ask lotsa questions and said he regretted getting Vios… must intro this guy to you so you can brainwash him, convert him back to a Vios lover !

    If you know how to count, you will know there are more Forte fans here than T lovers, you are definitely a lost cause and calling you a retard will be overestimating you. But do keep up your rantings here. I love the way you are entertaining us and making a fool out of yourself. I am getting my Forte later today and will be experiencing Cargasm while you …lotsa SARCASM. Btw, do you want PROOF that I am getting my Forte ? :O

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  • sumo33 on Mar 23, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    Author: cybermaster98

    Go check out the comments in the Vios Facelift forum and ull see.

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    Why would I do such a thing ? Unlike you, I have better things to do . I don't disturb other people forums . If they are happy with their Dugongs, so be it. No point degrading their car. But some people here just ask for it and I am giving them what they deserve , that's all.

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  • sumo33, I support you!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 23, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    sumo33 said,

    March 23, 2010 @ 10:20 am

    most of the 45K Vios owner are kicking themselves left right and centre since Forte came along. My Forte owner friend went to do his tinting and this Vios guy waiting in line was ogling at Forte and ask lotsa questions and said he regretted getting Vios

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    U say MOST of the 45K Vios owners last year are regretting the decision? And this is based on ONE Vios owner telling your friend he regrets his decision? So ure making your judgement of THOUSANDS of regrets based on ONE? HAHA! Ure a walking joke. Its easy to catch losers like you who use mediocre means to degrade someone for the sake of personal enlightenment.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 23, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    IIII said,

    March 23, 2010 @ 1:40 am

    My 2000 BMW E39 is a truely german machine, it can run steadly at 230km/h and of couse I will never intend to try it.

    __________________________________________________________________________

    It can run steadily at 230kmph but u didnt try it. So how did u come to the conclusion that it can run STEADILY at 230kmph? By looking at the speedometer when the car was idle? Ure another joke u know? HAHA

    By the way, ure another idiot comparing a BMW with a Vios. I feel honored!

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  • cybermaster98 said,

    March 23, 2010 @ 11:09 am

    It can run steadily at 230kmph but u didnt try it. So how did u come to the conclusion that it can run STEADILY at 230kmph? By looking at the speedometer when the car was idle? Ure another joke u know? HAHA

    By the way, ure another idiot comparing a BMW with a Vios. I feel honored!

    I have compared and ill keep on comparing. So far im fine. My 2003 Vios is in good condition and it serves me well. I came back from Ipoh yesterday and managed to hit 190kmph (again) at 4600 rpm. Not a safe act for sure but not bad for a 7 yr old car engine eh?

    —————————————————————-

    This "No brain pure idiot" (promoted from "don't know what brain") until now still thinking I m comparing BMW and his third world Vios. Some more felt so honored.

    I m a save driver and I concern about safety of other as well, eventhough my BMW can reach up to maximum speed of 250km/h.

    Like I said u r just a "No brain pure idiot", I would like to see one fine day that u will FLY and somersault with your "super third world Vios" on the highway at 190km/h, but please………….., don't ever hurt any inocent people.

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  • WhiteForteR on Mar 23, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    When i placed my order a month ago, i saw a list of orders with the SA, at least half of it were Vios/City buyers but converted to Forte. Some have their bank loan approved for Vios but would like to transfer to Forte.

    Now, I am feeling of driving a RM100 over k luxurious car with just a price at RM81k, enjoying all the features that Altis couldn't even provide, not to mention Vios.

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  • sumo33 on Mar 23, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Author: cybermaster98

    U say MOST of the 45K Vios owners last year are regretting the decision? And this is based on ONE Vios owner telling your friend he regrets his decision? So ure making your judgement of THOUSANDS of regrets based on ONE? HAHA! Ure a walking joke. Its easy to catch losers like you who use mediocre means to degrade someone for the sake of personal enlightenment

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    I guess you need PROOF and full name of Dugong owners who has converted, then hunt them down and brainwash them one by one . I won't be surprised really since you are such a die-hard T fan. Let's hope you are as loyal as that to your family. A lot of us here are a bunch of happy Forte owners who are enjoying our moment now. So whatever negativities you have about our Korean babe will fall on to deaf ears. Just curious, do you wear ' I LOVE MY VIOS' T-shirt to work everyday? A word of caution though, be careful of the car in front when you steal a glance at our Forte OTR in future.

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  • sumo33 on Mar 23, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    WhiteForteR said,

    March 23, 2010 @ 11:54 am

    When i placed my order a month ago, i saw a list of orders with the SA, at least half of it were Vios/City buyers but converted to Forte. Some have their bank loan approved for Vios but would like to transfer to Forte.

    Now, I am feeling of driving a RM100 over k luxurious car with just a price at RM81k, enjoying all the features that Altis couldn’t even provide, not to mention Vios.

    ____________________________________________________________

    Cannot simply say la, WhiteForteR. Must show proof one ! :P

    Seriously, when I first sat in my friend's Forte, I was S-O-L-D. Can't wait to be in the driver seat myself. Counting the minutes.

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  • kenny_lim on Mar 23, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Got another ‘great’ experience from Naza. Got a new 206 (1 month ago) and the problems are:-

    1- The top of the absorber is cracked, have to change that part

    2- The door on the right can’t be locked from the inside but on the left is ok.

    The 2 above is a big QC problem, and other problem was found by the mechanics such as:-

    1- Battery connectors were not tightened, that is why my sis cant start her car few times ago

    2- Some joint below the engine is not tightly tightened…cause problem to the rest

    Problems with the car in the future:

    1- Sound from the wheel if reached 70km/h, change the tyre

    2- Buzzing sound in the engine, change the bearing….come again, change…come again, change……

    Luckily I had talked to the mechanic and he told me of this problem. They won’t do a ‘recall’ cos no one is ‘complaining’. They only change if got a complain; else…wish u luck in the 3 yrs warranty period. Now I know why they had stocked so many tyres there…..that is the car problem, wait till my service center experience.

    10:00 am – arrive at SC

    10:30 am – drive the car to the workshop

    11:00 am – check the ‘leak’ and start to remove the absorber….

    11:59 am – removed the screws only and prepare for lunch

    1:00 pm – waited for them to finish their things. Cant go anywhere for lunch as I don’t have a car to go out.

    1:15 pm – continue to fix my car until 2:50pm

    3:25 pm – after waiting for 30 mins for the ‘test driver’ to test, finally got my car at 4pm.

    *the total amount used to change those parts are less than 2 hours but it took me whole day waiting for them. A malay lady sent her car to fix something loose but end up, removing the whole thing…..pity her as her family was there for the whole day. Good luck to u guys

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 23, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    III said,

    March 23, 2010 @ 11:51 am

    This “No brain pure idiot” (promoted from “don’t know what brain”) until now still thinking I m comparing BMW and his third world Vios. Some more felt so honored.

    I m a save driver and I concern about safety of other as well, eventhough my BMW can reach up to maximum speed of 250km/h.

    Like I said u r just a “No brain pure idiot”, I would like to see one fine day that u will FLY and somersault with your “super third world Vios” on the highway at 190km/h, but please………….., don’t ever hurt any inocent people.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    U really cant understand wht ure saying eh? Im not talking if driving fast is safe or not. Im commenting on what YOU said.

    You said your BMW is steady at 230kmph but you have never tried it at that speed. Im asking u how the heck do u know its steady if u havent tried it?

    Thats all im asking and u go on and on about safety on the road bla bla bla. Why cant u just anwer my question?? HAHA. Im trying to catch ppl like you who talk rubbish and use rubbish statements to prove more rubbish.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 23, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    WhiteForteR said,

    March 23, 2010 @ 11:54 am

    When i placed my order a month ago, i saw a list of orders with the SA, at least half of it were Vios/City buyers but converted to Forte. Some have their bank loan approved for Vios but would like to transfer to Forte.

    Now, I am feeling of driving a RM100 over k luxurious car with just a price at RM81k, enjoying all the features that Altis couldn’t even provide, not to mention Vios.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    I hear what ure saying. Yes Forte is a good buy and hopefully it doesnt have the problems previous Kia's had. But ASSUMING it wont at this stage isnt practical either. As long as u are happy with your purchase and you are prepared for the worst (if it happens) in a few years then it should be fine then.

    For you info, i do like the Forte's shape and all round look. Its surely a pleasure to look at compared to the current Vios running around.

    Cheers!

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    • WaSte_BuckET on Mar 24, 2010 at 3:23 am

      Hello…you didnt answer my questions a well on the post about toyota vios facelift recently..so dont talk crap here la k?you learn to answer people 1st then catch anyone who talk crap..

      and remember..you talk more crap than anyone else here…

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 23, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    kenny_lim said,

    March 23, 2010 @ 12:34 pm

    Good luck to u guys

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Yes good luck to them. But I do hope the Forte doesnt encounter such problems but only time will tell. Ill give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

    They cant say anything bad about the Forte now because then they will look silly since they just bought the car. These guys are new owners and even a Kancil new owner will talk the world about his new car. The same with these guys. Its normal human nature.

    If u notice all of them are defending the Forte with CURRENT perceptions e.g physical looks, specs, handling, comfort, etc while saying the other more important aspects are not actually important. You and i and a few others are talking about the FUTURE e.g reliability, maintainence costs, quality of parts, resale value.

    Its 2 different things we're discussing. They cannot understand that we actually AGREE with their CURRENT assessment. But we're also telling them a bit about the FUTURE which they CANNOT see and refuse to see. They are still hanging on to the Kia salesman talk which is exactly what they're saying now. They compare the Forte's assessments from America without thinking that its 2 totally different economic scenarios which cannot be applied here at all.

    Just take the maintenance costs for example. Both u and i know that those costs are only on paper and only work for the first few years. When the parts start giving way and breaking down then those projected costs become RUBBISH. But can they understand this? Surely they cant cuz they just bought a brand new car! Its impossible for them to think out of the box and look at the whole picture.

    Thats why ive dared them to come here in 3 years time and tell me the exact same thing they;re saying now. Lets see whether they can still sing praises of the Forte in 3-4 yrs time. I cant help praising my Vios cuz it has served me well for 7 yrs PROBLEM FREE.

    Anyway, in conclusion, ill say this again. I hope the Forte becomes the new age Korean car that can silence all the negative perception. I really do. If they can improve their service standards, quality and maintenance costs, then im sure i might even consider buying one.

    Cheers!

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  • chris on Mar 23, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    As i said b4, cybermaster98 were right and dugong is still the best. Go dugong.

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  • My vios is 1 year old plus, now got so many sound here and there. I went to the service centre and they can't do anything till now. Really bad service!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 24, 2010 at 12:04 am

    Man said,

    March 23, 2010 @ 2:51 pm

    My vios is 1 year old plus, now got so many sound here and there. I went to the service centre and they can’t do anything till now. Really bad service!

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Really? Which service centre did u go to and which SA did u see?

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  • The pure idiot master never drive a BMW 5 series, so 230km/h not stable (u should said this in BMW club forum, see what will happen)

    The pure idiot master can nor afford a Forte, so said bad rasale….high maintainance….bad after sale service…..bad quality sure break down later…..blablablablabla……………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

    In conclusion, what ever he don't have, NO GOOD!

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  • After test drove Forte, I have a feeling being cheated by Toyota of buying Vios G 6 months ago.

    I really thought Forte is just another normal korean car, now really PENGSAN!

    SHIT! SHIT! SHIT!

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  • Ppure idiot master never drive a BMW e39 in his life, so said 230km/h not stable. (if he dare to comment this in BMW club forum, don't know what will happen)

    Pure idiot master can not afford to buy or maintain a Forte, so no good!

    In conclusion, everything he can not afford, NO GOOD!

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  • Dude Cyber,

    Let us worry about the Future . Rest assure we wont borrow any money from you to repair the car. We have been forewarned by friends and family before we decided on Forte. We are willing to take risk and we are prepared. We have made our comparisons with T, H, M & P and we have made our choice. Will you now retire back to your T thread and continue singing your praises there please ? You are really the one looking silly here because 1) you don't own a Forte and not planning to buy one now and 2) you are being 'fried' here. Thank you very much.

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    • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 24, 2010 at 5:34 pm

      Im being fried?? RU sure? I think ive held my ground pretty well considering the circumstances. Ive said what ive said and ill still stand by it. I have owned and maintained Kia for some years and there are still Korean makes in my family. Thus im well aware of issues surrounding them which you will only know in a few years time. I have not wavered from wht ive said from the beginning and i dont think i will. I have had very solid reasons for my comments which i have proven with facts. Should anybody want more confirmation i can spare time to meet them but it will be on my terms and results published here for all to see.

      I have no qualms with constructive critisism and i am entitled to my opinion. the same way u are entitled to yours. My comments are open for discussion and redicule if you see fit and i reserve the right to do the same to yours.

      As i said before, you are all new owners and such do not have the knowledge that previous owners have.

      And like ive mentioned earlier, most ppl here who bash me are those who feel inferior with their non popular car whom EVERYBODY knows will have problems in the future. But in saying this i repeat for the 10th time, that i hope the Forte will be the start of the new future for RELIABLE Korean makes.

      But i will continue commenting if i see fit. You have the choice whether to reply or not. Choose wisely my friend.

      Cheers!

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      • Yes, you are being fried bad. Everybody BUT yourself can see that. But if you wish to keep your job as a clown here, be my guest.

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  • WaSte_BuckET on Mar 24, 2010 at 11:26 am

    cybermaster98,

    you can go on and on with your stupid craps and calling others stupids or fools…

    you must realise that you are full or crap first of all…

    lets talk facts…

    in malaysia, let me compare 3 different makes and see who loose the most in term of 2nd value…

    lets start…

    toyota vios type G full spec new RM 85000(previous version)

    average secondhand value (5 years) RM 55000

    interest rate 3% for 7 years loan (assume you take full loan 85000 x 0.03 x 7)

    total car price with interest: RM 85000 + 17850= RM 102850

    after 5 years you loose about (RM102850 – RM55000) = RM47850

    Now we take similar class National car

    New price: Proton Persona SE RM 59800

    Average secondhand value (slight more than half asumption based on Waja 05 model) (5 years)= RM 35000

    interest rate 3.65% for national car 7 years(assume loan for 7 years: 59800 x 0.0365 x 7)

    total car price plus interest : RM 59800 + 15279= RM 75079

    after 5 years you loose about (75079 – 35000) = RM 40079

    so fact here is you loose around RM 7000 more than a Proton after 5 years of usage!! so on what basis you say Toyota has better secondhand Value??

    in term of percentage..yah a proton drop about less than 50% and Vios about 35% but the amount you loose is the more in a Vios!!! RM 7000 is alot!!

    i know that now you will argue that you were comparing with korean make and not Proton..wait…i will do a similar calculation and show you facts….

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  • WaSte_BuckET on Mar 24, 2010 at 11:49 am

    now we talk about korean cars..

    Korean cars that are similar class with Toyota vios that i can think of is Kia Spectra, Hyundai Accent ,Hyundai Getz (or price bracket)

    but kia spectra is too old to compare and it was proton waja competitor…plus

    Naza was giving great discount where now its selling for RM 49000 so secondhand price is hard to determine since the selling was not consistent!!

    so the best to compare is hyundai Getz and Hyundai Accent similar class and sold quite a number in Malaysia

    i will go with Getz because it has more secondhand cars to get an average

    the Hyundai Getz 1.6 was sold at RM 67000 full spec

    current secondhand 5 year model is sold at average RM 33000

    RM67000 x 0.03 x 7= RM 14070 of interest

    RM 67000 + 14070 = RM 81000

    amount you loose over a 5 year period = 81000-33000

    = RM 48070

    compared to a Vios, 48070 – 47850= RM 220 only!!

    so on what basis you are saying your vios is good investment??loosing RM 47850 over a period of 5 year a good investment???

    come on Mr cybermaster98…truth hurts…dont talk craps…facts always win!!

    i have yet to compare Kia optima/Hyundai sonata with Toyota Camry/Honda Accord…you will be suprised!!!!investment returns means how much you loose or gain in term of certain period…not looking at how much you can sell the car…

    now i know what you going to say…comfort,after sales service,service centre and all that crap once again..if thats what you planning to say..please dont bother replying because its too boring and full of crap!!!

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    • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 24, 2010 at 5:11 pm

      I might be missing something here but u calculated the interest for 7 yrs but the resale value for 5 yrs? Why?

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      • WaSte_BuckET on Mar 24, 2010 at 10:26 pm

        you are not missing anything here…i am talking here based on average and 7 years of loan is an average among fellow malaysian!! even if its 5 years interest…toyota vios users will loose more compared to a Proton and slightly less than a korean make!!!

        So care to explain about toyota being your worthy investment, resale value and etc??

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  • WaSte_BuckET on Mar 24, 2010 at 11:58 am

    and about your overhaul story Mr cybermaster98,

    its really hard to believe!!in modern engineering..its just too rare..

    maybe your friend dont know how to drive or dont know what overhaul means!!!

    oil leaking problems can be solved by changing gaskets,seals,drain plugs, sealants and etc..overhaul is totally unnecessary..

    maybe you would have advised him to do so..pity your friend!!

    the mechanic would have made a fortune!!

    you think a manufacturer who sells more than million cars a year with all the best engineers,designers and world class manufacturer would produce an engine that leaks after 3 years??come one..find something believeable…i mean a story true story…

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    • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 24, 2010 at 5:14 pm

      The leaking was the first step u fool. Of course the Hyundai Sc already di the changes and other stuff but that DIDNT STOP the leaks. U expect me to write the whole chronology of events for u to understand? Do not accuse me of anything if you do not have any proof whatsoever. I have the ways and means to totally embarrass you in here using real facts. I NEVER mention anything without facts so dont u dare accuse me. If u dare, come meet me and my friend and u can see the service invoices and work orders. I DARE YOU!

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      • WaSte_BuckET on Mar 24, 2010 at 10:58 pm

        Leaking was the first step of?? so if there is leaking, do you think an overhaul is the solution??? haha

        you can accuse anyone you like here but when people accuse you, you take it personally…

        you can embarass me all you can with REAL FACTS..come on.. i dare you to do so…

        you havent answer my questions in the previous vios facelift post and here about the investment you were talking about owning a Vios….

        you are just good in avoiding question that you cant answer…because you cant accept the FACT that you are wrong!!!

        people like you are to most easily fooled by clever marketing techniques used by Japanese car manufacturers!!!

        only good criteria i can think of a Japanese car is reliability!!and Thats all!!!!

        they just make simple technology sound great… remember in the 90's DOHC ,EFI , 16 Valve , Power Steerings were promoted as if it was invented by them or its the next big thing in automotive industry and people in malaysia go crazy about DOHC , EFI , MegaValve…

        but the FACT was the japanese one of the last to use those technologies… DOHC was on the market in the 1930's , EFI was in late 1960's (diesel engines) , 4 valve per cylinder 1930's as well..power steering.. 1960's…but the japanese add sticker on cars,brochure and etc as if its their own discovery and great advancement!!

        then in the last 1990's and till now..they make VVTI,VTEC,MIVEC,CVVT,DVVT and etc as if rocket science and malaysians think its hell of a technology…but the truth is..those technologies were frm 1980's and again..japanese were on of the last to use those technologies…european manufacturers have had them long before japanese did….

        and now suddenly hybrid snergydrive,range extender and etc..again..electric cars were ideas of 1930's and there was electric cars built in 1930's and even trains…so its not new or great…

        all marketing gimmick to fool people into buying…

        who would buy a 10 year old engine technology for the price of the latest Vios compared to the latest engine technology with price of a Forte?? ans is simple..people like you Mr Cybermaster98!!! you cant force people to believe toyota is the ultimate choice since you made that choice..

        you race you toyota with the Forte or even stripe component by component to check which is superior..but facts remain the Same..for the price of kia forte IN MALAYSIA its the best car you can get..and for the price of a toyota Vios..Vios is the worst car you could get!!!!simple!!!!!

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  • sumo33 on Mar 24, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Anybody who are still contemplating whether or not to get Forte, I 'd say GO FOR IT. Got mine yesterday and trust me, the car's great. Handling's great, looks great, FC great, price reasonable , what else could one ask for? I don't give a damn about the resale value , bad service, expensive spare parts etc . as I am enjoying the moment NOW, and it's all that matters. Life's unpredictable these days , for all you know , we could be six feet under tomorrow. If you have the means, go ahead. Don't be like some fools here who try to find fault with Korean cars when they don't own one.

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    • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 24, 2010 at 5:54 pm

      Sumo33,

      of course ull say now that u dont give a damn about this and that. If your Forte didnt have good specs then ull say u dont give a damn about that too. HAHA! Ure so predicatable.

      Yeah all previous Korean owners enjoyed the moment NOW and then regretted their decision after 3 yrs. All of them sang praises of their cars when it was first launched. How many of them are saying the same thing now? (im one of them) HAHA

      Yes we may not own a Korean car now but we owned one BEFORE thus we are years ahead of you. We made the wise decision to switch and we have not regretted since. You will go thru this baptism of fire in a few years time and then u will remember cybermaster98. Im sure i wont hear from you then.

      But again for the 11th time i say that i hope the Forte is the new change for the Koreans. The Japs need a worthy competitor.

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      • sumo33 on Mar 24, 2010 at 7:37 pm

        ""If your Forte didnt have good specs then ull say u dont give a damn about that too"""

        If my Forte didn't have good specs , I wouldn't have bought it. You are so RETARDED !!! Judging from the way you are always laughing at your own statement and always challenging people to meet you, we can see what a lonely old fool you are.

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      • sumo33 on Mar 24, 2010 at 7:52 pm

        ***How many of them are saying the same thing now? (im one of them)*** — Cos that is all you can afford. Stick with your dugong till the kingdom come. You have to learn to enjoy life cos yours sucks right now.

        ***Yes we may not own a Korean car now but we owned one BEFORE thus we are years ahead of you.*** — so you were an idiot earlier than we were huh? A pity you still haven't changed.

        ***You will go thru this baptism of fire in a few years time *** — maybe you yourself will be driving a Forte then. Never say never. We promise we won't laugh at you.

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        • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 24, 2010 at 9:22 pm

          ***You will go thru this baptism of fire in a few years time *** — maybe you yourself will be driving a Forte then. Never say never. We promise we won’t laugh at you.

          _________________________________________________________

          U dumb fool! This is exactly what i said before and now ure repeating it??? Haha! If i wasnt sitting in a chair i would have been rolliing on the floor laughing at your stupidity. I said IF the Koreans improve in the areas which i mentioned then for sure ill consider getting a Korean make. Do i need to repeat it another 20X before u understand?

          Please try to stop using the same statements ive made earlier. Thats why i keep telling u READ ALL THE PREVIOUS POSTS BEFORE COMMENTING. Ure embarrasing yourself. HAHA

          U are no match for me cuz i fight facts with facts. You cannot fight me cuz your facts are wrong and u do not do yer homework. Before going into battle please know your enemy first yea?

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      • sumo33 on Mar 24, 2010 at 8:22 pm

        ***If your Forte didnt have good specs then ull say u dont give a damn about that too*** — If Forte didn't have good specs, we wouldn't have bought it . What a retarded statement that is ! But given that statement is from you, it's explicable. You should stop laughing at your own joke too. It only adds to your level of stupidity.

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  • sumo33 on Mar 24, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    WHO LET THE DOG OUT ?

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  • We all really pity the Master, he is only driving a 2003 Third World Vios yet want to act and talk like he knows everything about other car models.

    Don't pretend u know if u have never actually owned other cars, you are becoming the laughing stock here.

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  • whugnef on Mar 24, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    i dun get this cybermaster98…he is in a fote review and talking bad about a kia…guys just ignore him will ya…he likes his vios soo much and he is willing to go to great lengths to prove himself right..heck he even asked ppl which service centre he goes to and which Sa he sees, as if he can do something bout it..

    cybermaster, one question only..DO YOU OWN A KIA FORTE YOURSELF?? not yr neighbour, not yr appa, amma, nenek, datuk, fren, fre's cat or wad..but you yourself..if not please shut up thank u

    ….so if any1 wants to buy a forte, i say go for it..it is really great…i love every minute driving it..

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    • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 24, 2010 at 7:26 pm

      Only idiots like you will ask whether i owe a Forte. Of course i dont silly and i have no intention to do so. Haha!

      Like i said before, kindly do not judge me by the car that i drive now. If u wanna know facts please do come meet me and i will easily put to rest your assumptions. Wealth can be displayed in many other ways not just by the car u drive. I have no reason to change my Vios when it has served me well do i? It would be silly to change a car just cuz to move up the vehicle hierarchy. Plus i have no intention to show off wealth by driving a better car.

      If anyone feels he needs any further clarification on my status then pls do contact me in private and i will put to rest your fears. I have done it before and that guy has since stopped commenting on my posts.

      How about you III taking the challenge on my terms of course?

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      • Danny on Mar 24, 2010 at 8:13 pm

        Guys,

        Is there Kia owner will buy a Kia car in future like Toyota's and Honda's owner?

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        • whugnef on Mar 24, 2010 at 9:20 pm

          yes i will buy a kia car in the future…looking forward to the future launch of the kia sportage 2010…

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    • hi all, moving forward, we DON'T REPLY ANY COMMENT FROM THIS "CYBERMASTER" as no point! let him talk to himself! haha!

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  • whugnef on Mar 24, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    lolz..so u don;t own a forte but can keep on complaining? oh wow, so it is all based on hearsay and wad u read and wad yr frens say? and from your response, you don;t own a forte and i can see you don;t own manners either

    seriously, we could care less wad your further clarification is…u can keep them to yourself..u like your car, we like ours..end of discussion…

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    • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 24, 2010 at 9:18 pm

      Whugnef,

      Ure the 1 with the problem. My issues have always been with the Korean manufacturer and the after sales service NOT with the car itself. Only fools like you who dont bother to check ALL the posts and merely vomit nonsense out will pass this kind of crap nonsense.

      Go do your homework before u comment further.

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  • hi all, moving forward, we DON'T REPLY ANY COMMENT FROM THIS "CYBERMASTER" as no point! let him talk to himself! hahha!

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    • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 24, 2010 at 9:16 pm

      Many ppl here have said they wont reply to me bla bla bla but they still do. HAHA! How many times i have heard the same but its the same ppl who say dont talk to me but actually reply to me in the end.

      Go read wht i typed. I have spoken FACTS. Most of the comments here except maybe WhiteForteR are based on emotion and pure nonsense.

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  • willkit on Mar 24, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    From the outlook, Forte is a nice car interms of design and features…the most interesting thing is the PRICE!! I always wonder how Koreans can produce anything with such super low cost. One might wonder are these parts manufactured in China. The clue lies under the hood…we would only know the real truth once these cars are on the road after a period of 1 year…

    Is the Forte hype for real!! or is it otherwise!! We will see…..

    Hope you Forte owners will share some of your real true experience here and not because you own them…brand new.. Cheers!

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    • How not to own them brand new now ? Been using the car for almost 5 months (yes, I am one of the very early owner) and yes, I am speaking from my own experiences. Nothing to hide. Handling solid, audio system fantastic, fuel consumption average 6-7l/100km, Keyless entry and Push Start, perfect. I once accidentally put the key in the boot and close the boot, but the boot unlocks itself. Engine very quiet sometimes I forget it's still running when I get down from the car, but of cos I will hear a long beep if I walk away with the key in my pocket. Just 2 of the many intelligent/safety features. In short, a happy owner ……………………….

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  • He has nothing better to do than to shoot here and shoot there. What does he get in the end? Btw, nobody is supporting him or listening to him! :)

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    • whugnef on Mar 24, 2010 at 9:21 pm

      kena retrenched dy maybe?

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    • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 24, 2010 at 9:34 pm

      What i get in the end? I get satisfaction that i managed to speak my mind even though it didnt get far. And in 3 yrs time when things arent so rosy anymore for these new Forte owners, ill surely be here to remind them of these rosy posts of theirs. But the question is: Would they still be around to defend their claims? They surely wont. They'll become ppl like me who warns others not to make the same mistakes. The cycle repeats itself.

      Anyway, i repeat for the 12th time, the Forte seems like a good car with great specs and i hope it become the winds of change for the Korean car market.

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  • My 1997 wira is better than the dugong.

    1) Specs – Top spec. Everything that i would need in a car

    2) Quality – Superb. Soft plastics panels. ergonomic seats. 350k n never fail me.

    3) Value for money – Indeed. No debt what so ever.

    4) After sales service standards – The best. Countless workshop for servicing

    5) Cost of maintenance & spare parts – Cheaper than dugong. Chop shop also have

    6) Fuel cost – cheap. 450km easy. BTW, TCO better than dugong.

    6) Resale value – Priceless. Love my car.

    7) Safety – Im alive. So does my car. Who wld wanna nick a wira?

    8) Looks – Wait another 15 years and it will be a classic!

    Buy a wira. Superb. Better than dugong.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 24, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    sumo33 says:

    24/3/2010 at 11:52 am

    You have to learn to enjoy life cos yours sucks right now.

    ______________________________________________________________

    Mine sucks eh? Hehe! Ive dared u before and ill dare u again. Please contact me in private and i will allow u a brief 'tour' of my life and see how it sucks. Please do take up the challenge my friend. Lets start with a full name and then we take it from there.

    I would really love to shut down ppl like you using their own words. Please do not rely on support from the rest of the ppl here all the time. Learn to fight your own battles my friend. Most ppl here dare to talk cuz they hide behind a nickname. Im a person who walks the talk so please do step up to the challenge.

    Common. Take the dare.

    (p/s: Let me give u another hint. Did u know that not all these nicknames here belong to individual ppl? Some replicate different nicknames using different email accounts just to show that there are MANY ppl against me. And they thought i wouldnt know? Im sure u know who im refering to right Sumo? Ure so predictable. if u wanna fight battles then fight it like a man like what im doing. Please do not resort to these kiddie tactics. Hehe!)

    Anyway, lets see u taking up my challenge.

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  • This master is entertaining everyone here for free. We have to thank him and his super Third world Vios at 190km/h

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  • WaSte_BuckET on Mar 24, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    cybermaster98,

    you are not missing anything here…i am talking here based on average and 7 years of loan is an average among fellow malaysian!! even if its 5 years interest…toyota vios users will loose more compared to a Proton and slightly less than a korean make!!!

    So care to explain about toyota being your worthy investment, resale value and etc??

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  • WhiteForteR on Mar 24, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    All Forte owners or Forte owners-to-be,

    Just leave cybermaster alone. He migbt be into some kind of business with T or Vios and now he is trembling after seeing so many good things about Forte, as this is threatening his business.

    Cos Forte is one of the top-seller car now in the world, and it might happen in here the boleh-land. He is trying all his best to discourage ppl from buying Forte or else he is losing his business sooner or later.

    Let's all pray for him, wish him still doing well in his business and not affected by our Forte in the future (which i guess quite hard…).

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 24, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    why dont u do a calculation for 7 yrs resale value and tell me?

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  • HAHA! Guys, actually THE MASTER is Toyota Sales team!

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  • whugnef on Mar 24, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    guys..please let him be..if his life is all rosy and happy…do you think he would be here barking like a mad dog and ask ppl to take up his challenge? so free?

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  • cybermaster98 says:

    24/3/2010 at 1:30 pm

    Mine sucks eh? Hehe! Ive dared u before and ill dare u again. Please contact me in private and i will allow u a brief ‘tour’ of my life and see how it sucks. Please do take up the challenge my friend. Lets start with a full name and then we take it from there.

    ————————————————————————————————————–

    Idiot Master

    Please looked at what u have created in here and how many enermies you have make for yourself.

    Let me tell you that your idiot comments from ur idiot brain has made your life more difficult. May be thats the reason why u r still using the 2003 Third world Vios.

    what a failure!

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    • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 25, 2010 at 5:32 pm

      Do u think im in the least affected by the comments from a few ppl here who only exist in the virtual world? Dont u see that even if you get 100 ppl here attacking me on the forum, i will still stand by what ive said as my comments are based on my OWN experience and from my OWN observations at Kia / Hyundai service centres. Nobody can take that away from me and tell me otherwise.

      But in saying this i do agree with some of your comments e.g WhiteForteR. If its something that i find to be true then ill surely agree to it but i will never back down if its something that aint true. Depends on how you classify true / untrue i guess. Im fine with anything eitherway. I welcome any comments from u guys whether constructive or otherwise. Im not the one getting emotional, its u guys. Im not the one affected in any way, its u guys.

      My comments in the beginning was purely technical until someone started hitting back at me personally. Only then did i hit back. Simple stuff. Accept them.

      Maybe from now on we shall refrain from making any personal statements and stick to purely technical arguments?

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  • sumo33 on Mar 25, 2010 at 2:13 am

    Just for laughs : My guess that he is a T dealer and people are cancelling orders to switch to Forte. Then came the T recall crisis and worse business for him, still try to put on a tough front when in fact he is shitting in his pants. Challenging people to meet him in person so that he can counter offer them.

    Start the ball rolling, be a man, start with your own name / tel here if you want people to contact you. Don't just keep taunting and calling others chicken when asking for name/number, we value our privacy and we have better things to do seriously. No one requested to meet you in the first place. You just keep pestering . Don't challenge without stating your own details first. If we are free, we might give you a call .

    Anyway, no one needs to create many IDs to garner extra support. It's just plain to see how many genuine 'fans' you have here. Some might just be passersby who "beh tahan" your cockiness . Others might be sharing PCs in the offices . You just 'ass-u-me' which is making an ASS out of U & ME, but in this special case here, it's only U.

    ****And in 3 yrs time when things arent so rosy anymore for these new Forte owners, ill surely be here to remind them of these rosy posts of theirs.**** —— I guessed wrongly about the T dealer man, he is actually a clairvoyant, he can tell the kind of shit we will be 3 years later. This weekend Magnum combination please? I'll get you a 2.4 new Toyota Camry if I strike, promise!

    ****** Most ppl here dare to talk cuz they hide behind a nickname ***** — You are telling me your real name is CYBERMASTER ?

    ******Only idiots like you will ask whether i owe a Forte. Of course i dont silly and i have no intention to do so****** I said IF the Koreans improve in the areas which i mentioned then for sure ill consider getting a Korean make******** —–

    NO INTENTION and then I'LL CONSIDER, such contradicting words. Btw, FORTE is also KOREAN MAKE. Will you consider? But I am sure you will know how many years it takes for them to improve, after all you are a fortune teller. These are all your own words, EAT THEM !

    You like to have the last say, by all means, and we will have the last laugh. Can we still laugh after 3 years, you asked? Well, time will tell. Perhaps you might even be laughing WITH us. Maybe I would have upgraded my car to KIA Cadenza then, maybe, lots of maybes, no one knows what will happen in 3 hours, lest 3 years. Don't be such a smart aleck about things you don't know for sure. Words are not as delicious as you think it is, eating them can't make you full. Your motto in life "If I don't win, I don't wanna play" ???

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    • whugnef on Mar 25, 2010 at 3:06 am

      good one!! support!!..he thinks we so free to create many names to garner support

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    • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 25, 2010 at 5:23 pm

      ure really dumb arent u Sumo? U quote my own words and yet u fail to understand them? I said i dont have any intention of owning a Forte and i might consider going for a Korean make in the future. Dont u understand this? I meant that even if i change to a Korean make i wouldnt choose a Forte cuz by the time the Koreans make the changes i mentioned there will be newer models out in the market.

      Got it birdbrain? Please do not even attempt to catch me with my own words. I think ver carefully before i put in down anything in black and white. Till now u have failed to catch me even once with my own words despite your pathetic attempts so please stop trying. U need intelligence for that which u clearly do not possess.

      My name is Kevin Lee Yam Choong. Now lets start the ball rolling. I'll go 1 step further. Go check out the owner of this car number plate WSP9889 and see if it matches. While ure at it, try this land grant number: 24514/M5/1/150 Lot No 22424 & 22425. See if everything matches. Then when uve checked and confirmed the owners, i will provide you with the final piece of information.

      Ive started the ball rolling. Lets see whats your full name now. Lets see if u have the guts to back up your own words. Common my friend. Im really loving this game. It feels great to get someone worked up and then to shoot him down with his own silliness.

      Remember, i didnt start any of this. All i did was comment based on my own experience with Kia and Toyota. But u had to go all the way attacking me eh? Know your enemy my friend before u go into battle.

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      • sumo33 on Mar 25, 2010 at 6:21 pm

        Holy cow, see how easy it is to provoke an emo-freak into parting with his info. You see, we discover something new everyday. And now he will call us 'chicken' for not displaying our info here. Then he will HAHA at his own joke . Who on earth will have the time to go check his details even if it was true? And expect us to meet him so that he can show us what a pathetic state he is in? We were never interested from the very beginning. Funny shit . I wonder what he will do if he knew he has been owned by a woman. Having done my part, I shall move on with a contented smile and let this resident clown continue his career here. Continue watching this forum ok, Kelvin ? Gooooood boy. *pat**pat*

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        • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 25, 2010 at 6:29 pm

          Provoke? So now u change your story? This is what cowards are made out of. They back down the moment the dare is made. Haha! U think im dumb eh? I gave u info for sure. But the final link to me is only known to me. I want u to check the ownership first. Go do that coward and then we'll talk further. Please do not give any more childish excuses. Lets see the action. Oooo…im loving this. I did it once last year and i thought i wouldnt need to do it again. But hey presto! Its happening again. Hehe!

          Common Sumo33, dont back out now. Im waiting. Hehe! Ive done my part, so pls do yours. Or is it finally apparent to you that i walk the talk unlike you? Im sure now all your 'supporters' will come to you aid as they know ure being fried here. Try standing up on your own. Im 1 person against a few of you (including thos with double accounts).

          Hehe!

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  • COnfusedMan on Mar 25, 2010 at 2:49 am

    guys…yet still if naza batch is there meaning the price will definitely be low for resale. I believe in Malaysia they will look after the standard and brand (*they-people who wana buy your car).

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  • Guys, just follow Andrew Zimmern of Bizarre Foods in cars, if you looks good just eat it; just drive (buy and enjoy it).

    As a Japanese brand owner, already test drove Forte and feels the car look good and the whole package really good. I’ll buy it or City if l in the market for it.

    New generation of Korean like YF Sonata, Forte, Santa Fe, Sportage, Tucson really made Japanese worried. If our disel quality permits, a diesel will Korean will kill Japanese. Watch my word.

    If you want to enjoy car please buy C-segment car Japanese not low end Vios, as it didn’t do any justice. Even UMWT little reluctant to offer Soluna-vios before 2003. Save a little more get even 1.6 Altis not cheapo=taxi Vios. Ugly even sports Toyota emblem.

    my personal view.

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  • Auto_crat on Mar 25, 2010 at 4:18 am

    Wow…someone up there really want to be the champ. Big ego. It doesn't matter what u drive or own. Just share your views nicely. By the way I've driven both the Vios and Forte. I'll say Forte is much better.

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    • WhiteForteR on Mar 25, 2010 at 5:33 pm

      bro,

      yes, i am also driving both, and i love Forte, it is much better than Vios or even Altis.

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  • sumo33, I totally support u.

    This idiot master is failing in life with this kind of EQ and IQ.

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    • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 25, 2010 at 6:33 pm

      III,

      Failing in life? With a good car, good property, good job & great family? Wow! Your standards must be really high then to think that all this mean a failure for me. Please go check the details ive given. U assumed too much before and now i will bring u crashing down to earth.

      Lets see whos still left standing after the dust settles. I know i will be for sure. Hehe! Im soo loving this bro!

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      • WhiteForteR on Mar 25, 2010 at 7:49 pm

        bro Cybermaster,

        it is not the materialistics, but the characteristics and spirituals that count.

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  • The idiot master is totally taken over by his emotion.

    Kevin Lee Yam Choong

    WSP9889 (2003 Vios?)

    24514/M5/1/150 Lot No 22424 & 22425

    Or you r just using other person name?

    We ll C…..

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    • sumo33 on Mar 25, 2010 at 6:45 pm

      hehe, didn't even realize that. Joke indeed. Wonder who this real Kevin is, poor boy!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 25, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Thats why i said..u think im dumb? Go check out the number plate and u will see. U assume that 1 only have 1 car? Haha! Please do go check it out. Then ill answer those who claim i cant afford this and that and that im a salesman, bla bla bla.

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  • Guys, cool it a little. What get so emotional over the choice of a car? So what if this Cybermaster critics the Kia Forte, its not like you guys are the owners of Kia / Naza and so its not like Cybermaster’s surname is Toyoda.

    Its your money, its your choice, there is no need to justify your reasons for buying a car and if someone comes along and critics your reasons, let them, there is freedom of speech on cyberspace.

    On paper, the Forte triumphs over the City, Vios cos the Forte is marketed as a C-segment car and the City and Vios are B-segment cars. Its also true that the Forte is better compared to many other current C-segment cars. Worldwide and also in Malaysia, Korean Cars are priced cheaper than Japanese Cars and Japanese Cars are priced cheaper than German Cars.

    Why, cos the market perceives that Korean cars are ‘not as good’ as Japanese Cars and Japanese Cars are ‘not as good’ as German cars. Seriously, you really think that the prices of Korean Cars would be where it is, if the market perceives that Korean Cars were as good as Japanese Cars. No way man, just look at the TV industry, 25-years ago which I think most of you are too young to remember, the Japanese were far behind but today, the Japs are ahead, and hence, it is reflected in the pricing.

    That said, the Forte is a compelling proposition and we all hope that the total customer experience (Maintenance, after-sales, etc) will also be good. This will give customers a better choice than the ‘Usual suspects – the T & H’. However, the track record of Korean Cars and especially the Company managing the Franchise has been ‘far from satisfactory’ and although the track record of Japanese cars and the Companies managing the Franchise, is ‘far from perfect’, is still better compared to ‘far from satisfactory’.

    This is tread really reminds me of a previous tread on AW than compared the performance of Japanese Cars to Italian Cars. That was another emotionally charged arguments.

    Btw, there is no doubt that a BMW is capable and stable at speeds of 230 km/h. However, whether it is safe to drive at that speeds, depends on the driver skill and road conditions. However, please bear in mind that at that speed, you are actually moving at speeds of 211 feet per second. You will finish a 100 meter sprint (330 feet) in 1.57 seconds. Ensure that you reflex is good enough to slam the brakes if suddenly the car in front of you brakes or a cow suddenly crosses the road. The same goes for a 2003 Vios at 190 km/h. Your 100 meter sprint is completed in 1.89 seconds.

    Please that into consideration road conditions before going that fast, cos if you want to speed and die on the race track, its fine but on the open roads / highways, what you do can have consequences to other people.

    Cheers and enjoy your ride gentlemen and remember, you don’t have to justify why you bought your current ride to anyone (perhaps save for your wife).

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  • Idiot master, some day u would wish that u should have not done this…………..if u really r like what u disclosed.

    We ll c…………………………

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    • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 25, 2010 at 7:38 pm

      III,

      How can i regret something which is true and correct? Anyway, dont just keep saying 'we'll see' over and over again. Get it done. U still havent provided me your real name. Ive been waiting since 9.23am which was more than 2hrs ago. Back your words up with action my friend. Im waiting.

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  • kenny_lim on Mar 25, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    after reading all the comment, the mentality that u all have is just a disgrace. honestly, just because of a car, all of us acted like some kids just to 'fight' over on who has the best car. fyi, none of u had one……the best car, is not in ur reach, and even you can reach it, you dont deserve it.

    totally a 3rd world mentality…just give ur point and then argue like a gentleman. for me, i told the truth and my own experience. the kia that i owned is good but the one who sold it….sucks big time. that is why, no matter how got the forte or any cars from naza, i will never get it.

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  • Idiot master, don't give false name.

    All i need is just your third world Vios plate No.

    Coomon don't freak out!

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  • Idiot master, don't give false name.

    Just give me your third world Vios plate No.

    Don't freak out!

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    • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 26, 2010 at 12:07 am

      III,

      Please do not divert. Please do what u said u would do. My number plate and land grant number were additional info that i provided FOC. The issue here is my full name which i have given. So whr is your end of the bargain??? Please do not delay further. Haha.

      I have nothing to freak out about cuz i know whos gonna get fried in the end. Common my friend. Im waiting. I posted my dare with the info at 9.23am today and till now u have failed to respond except with crap delaying tactics. Or are u waiting for your usual backup's? Common, please have at least 20% of my dignity and keep to your end of the bargain.

      Im soo waiting to fry you nice and good. This will be my moment. I warned u before and u thought i was a fake eh? Come, allow me to put your fears to rest.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 26, 2010 at 12:10 am

    III,

    That is my real name u fool. Go check out the ownership details of the info i gave u then i will provide u with the final piece of info to link everything to me. Then we shall see who ownes what and where. But remember i need your FULL NAME first. Please do not delay any longer. If this isnt settled today, i would have won and u would have lost badly. I will taunt you like crazy tomorrow cuz i really dislike cowards.

    Hehe!

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    • WaSte_BuckET on Mar 26, 2010 at 12:43 am

      mr Cybermaster98,

      you still havent answer my questions..you are the real coward…i have shown you fact by calculations..and yet you didnt answer or admit..

      and you ask me to do a calculation for 7 years..YOU CANT ANSWER A QUESTION with a QUESTION!!!

      why must i do a 7 years calculation when average malaysian change car every 5 years and your beloved toyota change models every 5 years??

      so if you dare not admit that your toyota does not satify as much as you claim for the 6 criteria you given..then toyota is not good as well!!!!

      and you said you own a 2003 toyota vios…but the number plate given was a 2009 car…

      its pure stupidity to take comments personally..people here are not attacking you as you claim!!!!

      they are just try to help you come to reality…dont live in your own world..by giving your information, you a clearly showing your stupidity once again!!!you dont know who you are dealing with as well..

      dont take things personally…and try to accept negative comment or come up with fact to counter it…

      and for the rest of the guys…there is an old saying…you have to treat stupid people stupidly!!!hope you all understand!!!!

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      • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 26, 2010 at 5:49 pm

        Waste,

        U really are dumb arent u? if u make comparisons use the same parameters u fool! U compare 7 yrs of interest using a 5 yr resale vale. U call yerself smart? Do the math first and show me your calculations for 7 yrs loan and 7 yrs resale value and then i will show u who is right or wrong. I aint gonna do any math myself. You correct your calculations then come back here and talk. Only the other fools in here will not be able to see thru your little gimmick with the 5 yr resale value. The Vios is 7 yrs old so stick to that and use it as a base for comparison. Then i will silence you. Or will you back down just like that III coward did?

        HAHA

        (p/s: Go check out the number plate i gave and all your enquiries about the 2003 Vios will be answered. Unless u can do that which i know u cant, u will never be able to fight your case)

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  • Idiot master, why the battle has to end today? The war is still a long way to go. Just be a bit patient and don't get too excited.

    Hope what u revealed on yourself is true….hehe!

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  • jujubes on Mar 26, 2010 at 1:00 am

    I wonder what he will do if he knew he has been owned by a woman.

    ————–

    Woweeee, you go gal BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Serves that prickhead right …muaahahahhahahaha. Man, this egoistic showoff give land grant number somemore in a KIA car thread. Have to put this on Facebook man

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  • johan on Mar 26, 2010 at 1:18 am

    relax..relax

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  • PokTeh on Mar 26, 2010 at 5:58 am

    I've been using a forte 1.6sx for nearly 2 weeks now. All are excellent except for one thing – the steering tends to go to the left making it tiring in the arms especially on a long drive. During the first free service the mechanic adjusted the alignment but it was not that satisfactory. I had no choice but to send the car to an expert alignment mechanic for further adjustment. Luckily the bill was small. Now driving a forte 1.6sx is really relaxing! I think it's worth paying RM81800 for it.

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    • Pok Teh, please check your tyre pressure. There are some experts who just use different tyre pressures to solve allignment issues. Anyway, an early issue on Autocar Asean also pointed out that the ESP gives a wried feeling but not to the extent that you are describing. You should have let Naza solve the issue cos if your expert did something that he should not have done, your warranty can be void.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 26, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    By the way, dont bother checking with the banks…there is no loan on those assets. Haha!

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  • how about EON bank on leeyamchoong?

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 26, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Waste Bucket,

    U really are dumb. When i said Toyota has better resale value i was comparing with Korean makes. I always have been comparing with the Koreans since this thread is about the Kia Forte. Of course Proton has the best resale value among the makes and its common sense. When did i ever compare with Proton??? How can u compare resale values for non national cars against national cars? Dumb fool!

    For your info a Toyota Vios 1.5G 2005 model sells for approx RM 58K not 55K as what you claimed. Anyway, lets use my car model as a basis for discussion since all my comments are based on my OWN experience and knowledge.

    Toyota Vios 1.5E (new) = RM 74,700

    current resale value = RM 48,000

    I will use your Getz info that you provided for calculation purposes assuming that the Getz sells for RM 28K after 7 yrs

    Total Interest for 90% loan based on 7 yrs period at 3%:

    Vios = RM 14,118

    Getz = Rm12,663

    Total expense:

    Vios: RM74,700 + 14,118 = RM 88,818

    Getz: RM 67,000 + 12,663 = RM 79,663

    Total depreciation losses:

    Vios: 88,818 – 48,000 = RM 40,818

    Getz: 79,663 – 28,000 = RM 51,663

    Summary:

    Getz loses approx 10K more than Vios 1.5E over 7 yr period. If we use your comparison with the correct 5 yr resale value against 7 yr loan interest the Gets loses about 3.5K more than the Vios 1.5G

    Does this calculation work for you Waste? I could be wrong since i did this math in between meetings so do correct me should it be the case.

    Plus this doesnt take into account the cost of maintaining Hyundai in comparison with Toyota over that period which is surely higher.

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    • WaSte_BuckET on Mar 26, 2010 at 9:32 pm

      Mr cybermaster98,

      before calling others dumb…try using your brain first!!! i been talking about average malaysian trend of buying car… 7 years loan and 5 years usage before changing..since you insist of 7 years calculation…

      then i will do a 7 years calculation for you!!!

      since your Vios is type E, we cant compare with high spec hyundai Getz!!!

      Toyota Vios 1.5E (new) = RM 74,700

      current resale value = RM 48,000

      Hyundai Getz 1.4(lower spec) = RM 59,500

      current resale value= RM 27000

      Total Interest for 90% loan based on 7 yrs period at 3%:

      Vios = RM 14118

      Getz = Rm11,245

      Total expense:

      Vios: RM74,700 + 14,118 = RM 88,818

      Getz: RM 59500 + 11,245 = RM 70,745

      Total depreciation losses:

      Vios: 88,818 – 48,000 = RM 40,818

      Getz: 70,745 – 27,000 = RM 43,745

      hyundai getz – vios.. RM2927 and its not the 10K price you mentioned…and hyundai offer 5 years warranty for engine and transmission!!!so your crap about korean engine realiability is not true at all!!!

      RM 2927 difference for a hatch and sedan is too small to say a toyota a clear winner in resale value or satisfy your claim as a worthy investment….

      and to find out about your number plate…come on..you think we have nothing better to do??why do i need to do it first of all?? dont you think is more simple for you to take a pic of your car an upload it somewhere since you are fond of bragging!!!

      who even care you land title on loan or asset?? you are like a kindergarten kid comparing who has better school bag,pencil and pencil case…haha

      no one here even care about you infentity unless you run toyota some VIP with automotive knowledge..or even an engineer…you are just a consumer of overpriced budget sedan which been fooling malaysian with its price tag..and you should not be proud of it since you have been fooled!!

      i never say korean cars are better..but all i m saying is japanese cars are no better than koreans…that all…hope you get what i mean…

      i know you cant accept the fact that your car is not better than koreans..but if its a fact then how can you deny it?? dont bring in maintenance cost and all those craps…

      some drivers drive 100km a day..some drive on 20 km a day..some drive it in the city..some on the highway…some use it on the weekends…some use it everyday…

      my mum has driven her Vios on 8000km in 2 years..and i have driven my car more than 20000km in just over a year..so how can you compare maintenance cost as part of ownership claim??use your brain abit more..it will make sense then!!!

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      • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 26, 2010 at 9:50 pm

        Waste,

        Your Low spec 1.4 Getz has got the same resale value as the High spec Getz for 7 yrs period? What are you talking man! get your facts right!

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      • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 26, 2010 at 10:14 pm

        WaSte_BuckET says:

        26/3/2010 at 1:32 pm

        and to find out about your number plate…come on..you think we have nothing better to do??why do i need to do it first of all?? dont you think is more simple for you to take a pic of your car an upload it somewhere since you are fond of bragging!!!

        _________________________________________________________________

        Posting a pic of my car does not prove its MY CAR does it? U really are stupid arent u? I gave u guys enough info and now i see all the excuses. Cowards are so predictable. All u need to do is to challenge them and they run with the excuses flowing from between their legs. HAHA!

        That info was not given to brag. That info was given to SILENCE some of you who accused me of being someone which im not. But i know that none of you will ever post their findings here because then it would be too embarassing for them to be proven wrong.

        But i do respect all of you even though my tone of messages might have been misinterpreted in some way. Wasnt my intention. As i said before i am passionate about cars and not just a Vios. Sometimes emotion can be misinterpreted. But i stand by what i have posted cuz again that was based on my own technical experience.

        Cheers!

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        • WaSte_BuckET on Mar 27, 2010 at 12:34 am

          what finding are you talking about??you are who you are..a moron who has nothing better to do and thinks you are always right!! since you mention your number plate..so just take the same pic of the mentioned car and post it…who on earth has the time to go to jpj and and get your car detail..first of all its your stupidity to do so…you are so childish to prove people that you are the one who you claim you are to post your details here…

          dont you think so??now if i dare you to post you house address and ic number plus handphone number otherwise i claim you are a fake..will you do so??its pure stupidity if you do so!!!!

          we are all hiding behind nickname not because being cowards..but to avoid being personal or take things personally…

          you got to accept facts..and the most important fact is you must accept that you not always right…

          and when you are wrong..you got to admit…you cant live in your own world of asumptions…

          and you start calling people names here..and when people start calling you names..you are not happy about it…

          you need to grow up and look at the world from a broader point..not being narrow minded!!you keep on claiming that its your own techical knowledge and own experience..which clearly shows you are living in your own world!!!

          People around the world buy car based on their personal preference..do you know that those who buy Mercedes S class and BMW 7 series tend to loose about RM 200 000 to RM 300 000 in 3 years of owning those cars..yet only the most successful can own those…

          so having a superior resale value is not always important!!

          your personal experience cannot be a benchmark nor an average problem in the automotive industry!!

          you own a korean car and had bad experience but there are many who own korean cars and happy about their ownership!! if koreans cars is as bad as you claim..they wont be growing at this rapid rate!!!am i correct?and kia forte was just launched couple of month back…so how could you assume that they are not reliable?i am an engineer and i cant accept that modern engines has problems you mentioned within 3 years…do you know how advance manufacturing technologies have gone??now the precision rate is so high that engines are no longer need regular 5k or 10k service intervals!!!and hyundai latest gearbox are maintenance free for life!!you dont even need to change lubrications!!!!

          and korean car manufacturing plant is one of the most advance and fastest in the world!!!so please dont come up with stories which are too isolated or even not true!!!!

          please stop being who you are and talk based on reality and 21st century..not based on your personal experience!!and everything happening around the automotive industry cannot be related to you personal experience!!!

          people who own 1960's toyota hated toyota cause the cars were underpowered and cant climb steep hills…can they now relate that experience saying current toyota's are no good???

          same goes to your experience…your previous generation korean car cannot be a gage to measure current koreans cars reliability!!!simple as that!!!!

          if your ownership of toyota gives you a peace of mind the so be it..you cant expect everyone to own toyota for the same reason..please grow up and stop all your crap!!!

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  • engine on Mar 26, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    scumbag !!! … cybermaster …. IIII…go to kopitiam and fight there…this forum is no suitable for ya'll …

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  • chris on Mar 26, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    should we start a bet on who's gonna win … hehehehe

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 26, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    Waste,

    A 7 year 1.4 Getz resale price is approx RM 23K not RM 27K. So Getz actually loses about 7K more than the Vios in a similar time frame.

    U seem to increase the resale values of the Korean makes just to 'limit' the differences eh? I have not checked how much was a new Getz back then so ill just assume u know better but the resale values i got are accurate.

    Hope u dont say that 7K is too small to determine a clear winner again. But then again, as what u say, resale value is 1 aspect. Maintenance costs are taken on average. Im not talking about 8k mileage a year or 30K a year either. Im talking about AVERAGE NORMAL USAGE. So please do not bring in all these factors to defend your argument.

    U spoke on resale value and u thought u could catch me with your RM200 difference like in your first post but now when its been actually recalculated and proven the difference is approx RM 7,000. I dont know what u may think but i think its big enough for me to choose a Toyota.

    Plus dont forget that the 1.4 Getz isnt as good as the Vios in terms of driving experience and handling either.

    So whts your next argument my friend? Wanna talk about fuel consumption next? HAHA

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    • WaSte_BuckET on Mar 27, 2010 at 12:03 am

      when i talk about average you cant take it..but when you talk about average..its always possible…haha…you cant included maintenance in your overall calculation..i am speaking about resale value..so stop including something else to make your comment valid!!!

      how can you say Getz isnt good as vios in term of driving experience and handling??on what basis???

      so i can say Vios is full of crap budget car and no where near hyundai Getz or kia Forte!!!can i???

      i mention 1.4 getz because i have got the price list here..but hyundai is giving RM 10K discount for it and i did not included that just because i used the 1.4 spec as for reference purpose!!!

      http://www.mudah.my/Hyundai-getz-1.4-5140308.htm?…

      the link shows the latest price which is at RM49999..so if you wana compare..it not fair…

      but you cant get a 1.4 getz year 2003..so your RM 23K price is pure bullshit!!!!i saw a vios 2003 at RM 43k at a used car..but i didnt use that as comparison because i average the calculations!!!so stop being a moron here by asuming prices yourself…

      1.4 getz was the facelift model launched in year 2007 end in Malaysia so please dont bullshit that you found the price approx at 23k!!!thats pure bullshit…..please!!

      and you cant get a 1.6 hyundai getz at 23K…even at 27k its on the cheap side..so i just let be earlier..but since you want to be more accurate…let me do so!!!

      the easiest is to check mudah.com.my or motortrader.com.my….show me your RM 23K hyundai getz 1.6 and i will not argue further!!!!I DARE YOU!!!!!!

      post the link here!!!i would be happy to see one at your price!!!!if you cant find..then shut your mouth and stop arguing here ok?accept MY DARE FRIEND?

      i am following your childish dare style..haha…taste of your own medicine..haha

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      • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 27, 2010 at 12:58 am

        taste of my own medicine? u still do not know me? I check ALL my facts before i print it silly boy! Go check this out yorself and tell me how much the Hyundai Getz 1.4 would cost fool!

        http://classifieds.thestar.com.my/search.asp?Adti…

        This is a 2004 Hyundai Getz which was goinf for 24K so i assumed 23K for a 2003 thats all. Valid assumption purely for discussion purposes.

        Now whr u gonna hide?

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        • WaSte_BuckET on Mar 27, 2010 at 4:20 am

          It was wrongly informed..there is no hyundai getz 1.4 in malaysia year 2004…there isnt any on the newspaper or other supporting website…so dont give wrong information..and i been asking AVERAGE PRICE!!!!and i asked you to find GETZ 1.6 at that price…not 1.4 you moron!!!!read properly!!!!!!!

          check this link:
          http://www.mudah.my/Toyota-Vios-1.5-A-5642596.htm

          so can i assume your toyota vios resale value rm 33k????

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  • Cyber and III,

    There is abig flaw in your calculation of depreciation loss. You should not take into consideration your interest cost and it should always be shown also in percentage terms.

    Toyota Vios 1.5E (new) = RM 74,700

    current resale value = RM 48,000

    Hyundai Getz 1.4(lower spec) = RM 59,500

    current resale value= RM 27000

    Total depreciation losses:

    Vios: 74,700 – 48,000 = RM 26,700 or 35.7%

    Getz: 59,500 – 27,000 = RM 32,500 or 54.6%

    Toyota is a clear winner here but there should be no suprises right but is resale value that important? One should only be changing cars when their current ride becomes uneconomical to maintain. Apart from that, why work for the Bank?

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    • oops, I meant Waste…

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      • Cyber and III,

        i think you both can end yours fight here. its nothing great if win this fight, nor nothing bad once loose this fight. In fact, we are all loser for our beloved G.

        First thing to clarify, i don't own a vios nor naza/kia forte. but i had test drive both, both are good car, but i need input from vios nor forte owner, how much actually does these cars worth? after get rid of things called excise duty! just like my little avanza, i pay 76k for this vessel but in fact it worth only 49.8k! the 26.2k i pay is for our G!! that mean i am paying 76k to drive a merely 50k car!

        from the perspective of value,

        for those support kia forte, we just want the money we invest ed to be more valuable! as what we pay is closer to what we own– let say 83k selling price, and the car worth 70k??(need kia forte user's input).

        as for those support T/H, we just want they money we invest will bring less problem to us in the long run….(so called the maintenance cost, spare parts, resell value..etc) even the vessel we got is less expect value than we paid.

        and from the perspective of services,

        No doubt T/H had been in MAS for long time, and had successfully build up their user based. yet they had proven can deliver quality user to those who support them, its fact. nothing to deny off. thats why t

        Kia is still new in our market. they still need lotsa improvement. and i honestly hope they can speed up they step. faster, NAZA corp especially need to improve more in after sales service. else, i believe there will take more yrs in order for Malaysia to accept Korean made vessel.

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    • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 27, 2010 at 1:08 am

      Yes i agree with u CFA. Resale value is only ONE factor in the overall assessment. I gave a total of 6 points in assessing a car in my previous posts.

      And yes i also agree that changing cars is a TOTAL waste which is why my 2003 Vios is still being kept even as a 2nd car. I mean why should i change or sell it if its giving me ZERO problems??

      Hehe!

      Cheers!

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    • WaSte_BuckET on Mar 27, 2010 at 4:23 am

      read previous threads..percentage drop does not account to how money your loose in owning a car over a period or years…the percentage might be less but the amount you actually loose might be more!!!

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  • johnny on Mar 26, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    I cant find any vios here in the USA. Oh I know why.. Vios is a third class car, for people in the third world with third world mentality.. hahahahaa.. poor rubbish.

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    • kikilala on Mar 27, 2010 at 7:22 am

      The Vios is sold in the US as the Yaris Sedan.

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  • joran-emas on Mar 26, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    wah, korang ajar betul budak Cyber ni, suka panggil org bodoh / dumb. Dia yang bodoh skl. Kena goreng hidup2. Pepatah orang ; EMPTY VESSEL MAKES THE MOST NOISE.

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  • kenny_lim on Mar 26, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    True facts that i know of:-

    – prices of jap car will drop 3k/-4kyr

    – prices of korean car will drop 5k/yr

    – i had never heard that there are such things as 'high spec' getz. only facial upgrade, as i heard, no abs and etc…only 1 airbag..

    i think none of the 'calculations' here are valid cos none are proven. all these are just a layman calculations, none are in this ilne of business and the one who can should be a 2nd hand dealer….

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  • Stop bickering you guys.

    I'm currently in front of my monitor eating kuaci while hitting the refresh button and see this war of words as if this were a tennis match or something.

    Satu-kosong, dua-kosong, dua-satu ….

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 27, 2010 at 1:03 am

    WaSte_BuckET says:

    26/3/2010 at 4:03 pm

    the easiest is to check mudah.com.my or motortrader.com.my….show me your RM 23K hyundai getz 1.6 and i will not argue further!!!!I DARE YOU!!!!!!

    ___________________________________________________________________

    This is the rubbish u posted before actually reading what i wrote. Now read what i posted before:

    cybermaster98 says:

    26/3/2010 at 2:05 pm

    Waste,

    A 7 year 1.4 Getz resale price is approx RM 23K not RM 27K

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Note that i mentioned 1.4 not 1.6. Now whos the fool?? Please stop trying to catch me. U will never be able to catch me unless u can prove me wrong with facts which u cant cuz im fighting u with facts while ure using wild assumptions and u have a distinct weakness in reading English.

    So whats happened to your dare now? Ive taken it and destroyed it face on!

    HAHA

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 27, 2010 at 1:05 am

    joran-emas says:

    26/3/2010 at 3:03 pm

    wah, korang ajar betul budak Cyber ni, suka panggil org bodoh / dumb. Dia yang bodoh skl. Kena goreng hidup2. Pepatah orang ; EMPTY VESSEL MAKES THE MOST NOISE.

    ___________________________________________________________________

    If u dont know the history of this Forum and who started what, please go read it before commenting. U dont know if im EMPTY so please dont make me prove it to you as ive done to others. Ull be embarrassed.

    Cheers!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 27, 2010 at 1:17 am

    WaSte_BuckET says:

    26/3/2010 at 4:34 pm

    you own a korean car and had bad experience but there are many who own korean cars and happy about their ownership!!

    __________________________________________________________________

    Did u see my earlier posts where i mentioned MANY cases and not just ONE? I quoted many examples from different service centres and i also asked u to go check out those service centres yourself and see the problems they face if u do not believe me. Ive also told u NOT to take my word for granted and to check yourself. Didnt i say all this? U have a poor memory and ure trying to paint my comments in a different light. Go read all my comments from the beginning and ull see the truth.

    Didnt i say all this? So why assume that i only meant ME ALONE?

    Plus did i mention that the Forte is NOT GOOD? If so please show me my exact quote saying this.

    My issue is not so much with the car itself but more with the local service agents.

    Please understand this Waste.

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    • WaSte_BuckET on Mar 27, 2010 at 4:34 am

      yah yah…where is the proof of you so called survey of the service centres??hahaha..you just make me laugh man…you are always in a state of denial…your many bad cases doesnt not justify your claims!!!

      who is trying to paint your comment in a different light?you are the one who just take one line of what i said..twisted the entire story and took it in favour of yourself!!!you are not consistent with what you say!!!check you 6 criteria for a good car..and i dont see you saying forte is good in that!!!

      you are the one said you were talking based on your experience!!!how many kia owners have you met??how many service centre have told you their problem…can you please come up with more believeable stories to justify your claims??i think i had enough..people like you cannot be helped….go on..live in your own world with full of bullshit n craps!!!!service centre survey,personal information,dare,stupid bullshit stories, and bragging about yourself ,and your shallow knowledge…i just cant help ignorant people like you…no 1 can!!i shall stop here…i dont want to end up like you here!!!

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  • Fist of all, the reason we buy car is for enjoyment and not for resale.

    Previous Korean models do not hold the values well, and this is a true fact that we can not denied. Even though I m a german car owner, i would still buy Forte because of the MUCH IMPROVED QUALITY AND DESIGN. A good quality and design car would definitely hold its value well because of strong demand. (Im talking about general cars here and not those expensive european marques which have high depreciation).

    Guys, once again, please don't compare Forte with the Third world Vios or City anymore with this Idiot master. He is just a very very jeolous Idiot from the beginning of this forum.

    This is for the Idiot Master

    EONxxxxxxxxxxxx3518. Look familiar.

    I m coming to….u…very soon

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    • WaSte_BuckET on Mar 27, 2010 at 4:36 am

      i think its time for you to ignore him..dont waste your time..because he lives in his own world!!

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      • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 27, 2010 at 5:11 pm

        WaSte_BuckET says:

        26/3/2010 at 8:36 pm

        i think its time for you to ignore him..dont waste your time..because he lives in his own world!!

        _________________________________________________________________

        GOSH! How many times have i heard this? Ignore him bla bla bla. And still u keep replying to me?? Ure a joke. Ive said it before and ill say it again. If u wanna ignore me then start it YOURSELF. Dont keep asking others to ignore me and u still go on replying.

        Besides, why ignore me now when u had alot to say b4? Cuz uve lost your argument on the resale value. Ive warned u many times. Check your facts before u even attempt to catch me. Ure proud cuz ure an engineer? Do u know who i am? HAHA!

        Im sure now uve learnt your lesson. Next time pick your battles lest u embarass yourself (again). Dont cover up your failures by saying 'He wont change', 'ignore him', bla bla bla. All crap cover ups for your pathetic attempts to discredit me.

        Anyway, this has been a great forum. Brought some spice into my life. So lets all loosen up and enjoy. Im sure we'll meet each other on other forums. Its been great chatting with u guys and i enjoyed every moment of it. Hope there's more to come.

        Cheers!

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        • WaSte_BuckET on Mar 28, 2010 at 7:46 am

          my last reply…i dare you to find 1.6 GETZ because in year 2003/04 GETZ WAS OFFICIALLY BROUGHT in 1.6 VERSION!!!!!and also 1.3!!!only end of 2007 the facelifted 1.4 model was brought in!!!dont try to act smart while being a** h**l!!!!

          so if you cant find one at that price shut the f**k UP and learn to be a man you little touque twisting jask ass!!!!

          dont make me call names man!!!you are getting on my nerves…

          you have weakness reading english,weakness reading sentences!!!you have low or zero understanding of what happening around you!!!1

          YOU learn to read!!!my dare was to find a 1.6 hyundai getz at your mentioned priced!!!not what you mentioned!!!! i dare you so what i says matters!!! not what you say !!!are retarded or what???you want me to reply every single of your comments???i can do that!!!!but you are such an ass hole!!!i dont care if i am wasting my time or what…but from now onwards…i will reply all your retarded brain can think or type!!!!

          AGAIN I DARE YOU TO FIND A 1.6 HYUNDAI GETZ YOU RETARDED MORON…IF I DARE YOU..WHAT I SAYS COUNT!!!NOT WHAT YOU SAY…BECAUSE I DARED YOU!!!DUMBO!!!!UNDERSTAND MORON??

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    • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 27, 2010 at 5:04 pm

      III,

      Ure again off track. U claim u got something from EON bank but i already told u THERE ARE NO LOANS ON THE ASSETS I MENTIONED. So go find all you want. The only way to know is to match the OWNERSHIP details. Do u think i would make it so easy for u by giving u a car number plate that could be traced to the banks? Common my friend, any 2nd hand car dealer can call up the individual banks and check remaining loans on a particular car. But how do u check when there is NO LOAN? Thats the key. Do also check the land grant while ure at it.

      So please get yorself back on track. Ure gonna embarass yorself.

      HAHA

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  • Jesse James on Mar 27, 2010 at 7:00 am

    6 'mostly' factors cybermaster98 posted earlier are correct. But one thing that I think he failed to mention is 'Safety'. I know 'Safety' is the least popular factor (although, IMHO, it should be the first factor people must consider when buying a car). But, lately, people start to realize how important it is. If it's not, how come people are complaining about the lack of airbags, ISOFIX, etc.

    I'm not arguing who is wrong or right here. cybermaster98 is right when he consider maintenance & services & resale value but there are people who don't want to consider the resale value (or consider it as low priority). For an instance, I'm driving a Pug. I know it wont have a resale value as good as Toyota or Honda even before I bought it, but I'm not planning to change my car in 5 years time. So I don't really care about its resale value.

    So, it is up to the buyers themselves. Anybody can be right (or wrong) in their own way.

    On a lighter note. Buy a car that you like (its look). Because you're going to see it everyday :D

    * @cybermaster, if you put Safety in Spec factor, I'll be stand corrected.

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    • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 27, 2010 at 4:59 pm

      Jesse James,

      Yes i agree with you. In terms of safety the Vios isnt there especially the 1.5E which only has 1 airbag. The Forte surely has more safety features which are important.

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  • joran-emas on Mar 27, 2010 at 7:15 am

    Dah la I baca every post here . I believe this is your 1st 'cari pasal' post.

    ^^^^^^

    cybermaster98 says:

    4/3/2010 at 1:51 pm

    MO said,

    March 4, 2010 @ 1:26 pm

    It gives me total pleasure, fulfills all my requirements and every sen spend on it 100% worthwhile! I’ve been a proud owner of a Forte since early February and have never regretted it for a single minute. Whoever says Forte is a less than average car ought to eat their own words as I am 100% overly satisified with it!!!

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    Have u heard of any new car owner saying their car is crap after just a few months? Of course not! Even a Kancil owner will say the same thing. Common man!…..then …….Besides, what car were u driving before u bought the Forte?………….^^^^^^

    and when people replied "Thank you for your motoring experience and will seek your advise if needed be", a polite version of MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS, you still TOKKOK until now.

    People whom you claim dare not comment on yr post is not cuz they lose, cuz they tiada masa layan org bdh. U r completely hopeless.

    Kita org punya duit, kita org punya suka. Apasal u suka jaga tepi kain org? Tiada kerja lain ke?

    Plus i did NOT talk 2 u in the 1st plc, so SPEAK ONLY WHEN YOU ARE SPOKEN TO. It will save u a lot of embarassment.

    But is OK, everyone here knows whos the loser here. If YOU look into the mirror, there he is….1 more thing, u r a complete WASTE OF SPERM..wakakkaakkakaah ! yah, truth hurts , ouch! Reply if yr PRIDE gets the better of u but my reply wud be …. ZZZzzzzzzz !

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 27, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    sumo33 says:

    23/3/2010 at 10:20 am

    most of the 45K Vios owner are kicking themselves left right and centre since Forte came along.

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    I love fighting facts with real facts. So most of the 45K Vios owners are kicking themselves eh? That would mean thousands rite? So how come the Vios sales for Feb 2010 are still sky high and well above the Forte? When was the Forte launched again? Check this out:

    Top 10 non-national vehicle sales for February 2010

    Toyota Vios 2,349

    Toyota Hilux 1,206

    Nissan Grand Livina 1,013

    Honda City 1,004

    Toyota Camry 816

    Honda Civic 634

    Mitsubishi Triton 572

    Naza Kia Forte 458

    Nissan Sylphy 452

    Toyota Avanza 437

    (Note: This is based on orders received not vehicles delivered)

    Cheers!

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  • leeyamchoong

    Will get u very soon!

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  • LYC eon CC for IC, add, contact then JPJ for car info

    Car no..plate JPJ

    Land title from land office, title search.

    Coming soon……

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  • Does anyone realize what that name means in Cantonese . Do a direct translation. ROTFLMAO ! you hamsup worm.

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  • Supachip on Mar 29, 2010 at 5:02 am

    I went for a test drive this morning, a 1.6 SX. First thing noticed when I first sat in the car was the driver's seat squeaked badly. The car only has 1100km on the clock. secondly, I have also noticed that the word printings on centre console (e.g. a/c, radio….) seemed to be of inferior quality. Some letters had terrible teardrops and some letters seemed to join together! I am not sure if this would be the quality for the rest of the vehicles or this is just a "defective" testdrive unit. Could anyone please shed some light on this?

    I was intending to get a SX but this morning's testdrive experience really let me down.

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    • WhiteForteR on Mar 29, 2010 at 5:08 pm

      Supachip,

      We doubt your comments.

      We are from Forte Owner Club Malaysia. Non of the owners claim what you have mentioned. This is the first time we hear this.

      If u r in the business to attract sales, will u put up a miserable showcase?

      Pls mention the showroom, location, salesman attented and the photo as the proof. Or else we will take it as a malicious fake statement.

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      • Supachip on Mar 29, 2010 at 6:54 pm

        WhiteForteR,

        Come on, you don't need to be so offensive. Me myself also very interested in the car and intended to get one as mentioned earlier. I am not a salesman lah….

        The showroom I went was in Mentari. The test drive unit is white color. Can't remember the number plate. Go there to see for your self.

        It seems this is not the right place to ask for opinoins…..

        Forget about my query….

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        • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 29, 2010 at 8:00 pm

          Supachip,

          I understand wht ure saying but dont blame WhiteForteR. He is very defensive because of this forum where im bashing these Forte owners who claim this and that about their cars. They are all defensive about their car but facts cannot lie rite? I know u are just asking an innocent question but nevermind. Dont worry.

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  • Supachip, you should check out this link and post your doubts there . They should be able to answer you in more detail. and in pix too.

    http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1356271/+1760

    So far I have not heard of such case.

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  • kenny_lim on Mar 29, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    WaSte_BuckET says:

    26/3/2010 at 8:34 pm

    yah yah…where is the proof of you so called survey of the service centres??hahaha..you just make me laugh man…you are always in a state of denial…your many bad cases doesnt not justify your claims!!!

    who is trying to paint your comment in a different light?you are the one who just take one line of what i said..twisted the entire story and took it in favour of yourself!!!you are not consistent with what you say!!!check you 6 criteria for a good car..and i dont see you saying forte is good in that!!!

    you are the one said you were talking based on your experience!!!how many kia owners have you met??how many service centre have told you their problem…can you please come up with more believeable stories to justify your claims??i think i had enough..people like you cannot be helped….go on..live in your own world with full of bullshit n craps!!!!service centre survey,personal information,dare,stupid bullshit stories, and bragging about yourself ,and your shallow knowledge…i just cant help ignorant people like you…no 1 can!!i shall stop here…i dont want to end up like you here!!!

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    WaSte_BuckET ,

    if anyone here is willing to listen, i am willing to tell…..not one SC but all the SC that i had went to. Selayang, Wangsa Maju, accessories center and even the 3rd party ones at Cheras, all are just nonsense……if u just put down your bad temper, i am willing to tell all the bad experience that i had in all their service center….latest is the glenmarie peuguet ones……the lady said that 406 is a great car with great handling (better than camry) but the service is bad…a good car is turn bad becauce of their under trained staff and low QC and QA. and what cybermaster wrote is kinda right, i think the numbers of ownership does prove something…..just talk to any workshop worker+owner, they would recommend t or h over k…..

    ps-name calling is not a good thing to win an argument. i'm sure u're mature enough to understand all this especially when u're already started to work.

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    • patricktan on Mar 29, 2010 at 6:44 pm

      I have been to the KIA authorise dealer in Jln Klang Lama and I can say that the experience has been pleasant. Sometime i think it;s the attitude of the owner that expects too much t4 it makes the experience unpleasant. I mean not just talking abt servicing cars. Some small fries talk like big shots and expect a lot just becos they are paying.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 29, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    WaSte_BuckET says:

    27/3/2010 at 11:46 pm

    my last reply…i dare you to find 1.6 GETZ because in year 2003/04 GETZ WAS OFFICIALLY BROUGHT in 1.6 VERSION!!!!!and also 1.3!!!only end of 2007 the facelifted 1.4 model was brought in!!!dont try to act smart while being a** h**l!!!!

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    Aiya u really confusing me la. First u say 1.4 and when i prove you wrong now u change and ask me to calculate for 1.6 Getz pulak. HAHA! . Make up your mind la bro.

    The info i added was only for Toyota. The info for Hyundai came from u. U said 1.4 so i got you a price for 1.4. Now u change and ask for 1.6. Maybe best u just accept that you will never get a Korean car within the same category and age which has got a better overall resale value. Just accept it la bro. You're being really stupid if u think u can prove that Korean makes have better resale values even taking into account the bank interest.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 29, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    WaSte_BuckET says:

    26/3/2010 at 1:32 pm

    since your Vios is type E, we cant compare with high spec hyundai Getz!!!

    Hyundai Getz 1.4(lower spec) = RM 59,500

    current resale value= RM 27000

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    This is what u said first. Then after i proved your calculation wrong u changed and said this:

    WaSte_BuckET says:

    26/3/2010 at 4:03 pm

    1.4 getz was the facelift model launched in year 2007 end in Malaysia

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    So what the heck are u talking? I calculated it based on the info u gave. U wanted to use the Hyundai getz as a comparison so i followed but now u change and say u wanna use 1.6. The more u try and catch me the more ure gonna embarass yourself. How come i dont see anybody else here supporting your calculations? Where are all your supporters? HAHA

    Anyway, if u can prove that Korean makes have better resale value than Toyota / Honda you will surely be headline news in The Star or NST. HAHA Stupid fellow!.

    Cheers!

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  • kenny_lim and Idiot master is the same person ( don't use 2 names to post)

    I m getting all details very soon regarding on LYC within this week.

    Let s wait!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 29, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Eh how come i dont see any comments about the Top 10 Non National Car sales for Feb 2010? If i recall correctly somebody here mentioned that many Vios owners (maybe thousands) are switching to Forte. So how come only 458 Forte sold in Feb despite being a few months since launch?

    But ill give you all the benefit of the doubt. Lets see whats the sale figures for March 2010 when it comes out? Maybe we'll see a few thousand jump in the Kia Forte sales. I hope i dont see the Vios which some ppl claim to be an ugly and useless car being at No 1 again. I also hope ppl dont use the 'mentality' excuse again.

    Hehe!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 29, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    WhiteForteR says:

    29/3/2010 at 9:08 am

    We are from Forte Owner Club Malaysia.

    ___________________________________________________________________

    I think there was a Spectra Owner Club before when it was first launched rite? What happened to that club? Those members still around or they abandoned the club when the car started giving problems? Just asking.

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    • WhiteForteR on Mar 30, 2010 at 1:14 am

      cyber,

      I remember i told u i have both Vios and Forte, right?

      I am not being defensive to the club, i am just telling the truth that i have the luxury to compare both car, daily (and you are degrading Forte without even having it). I can tell Forte is way better than Vios.

      You degrade the car becoz you feel it will have low resale value based on the old spectra. Yes, ppl who owns old Korean cars might have bad experience, but man, these 2 cars are totally different. Forte is by Peter, the designer of Audi TT. Why can't you admit it that this is a change for Kia? You are the one that cannot admit to the fact, not us. You keep saying we cannot accept your comments, u r the one that cannot admit the facts.

      In my life I never tot of buying a Korean car, until I met Forte, and I am happy driving it.

      If Korean cars suck, then pls tell me, why is the japs car maker is so worried, and why the hyundai/kia cars become the top and make profits in US while the other suffer? Even in SG, Hyundai Avante top the list, and Forte coming at the 3rd. Coz SG dares to challenge, accept new things, open-minded, and they are way success than us who are still shouting "Boleh" in the well.

      We never condemn/degrade japs car. We admit they buildt good cars, even there are so many recalls, but they are just doing it right. You are the one keep degrading Koreans car. Don't forget, the japs might have killed your ancestors in WW2, not the Koreans. We never tell u to buy Korean cars, if u don't like it, just leave here.

      You are not giving reviews/comments based on justice and fairness but emotion. You just want to win in the debates. This tell you have a big character problem, maybe due to improper upbringing.

      If you so dislike the Korean cars, why don't u leave us alone, go back to your T-Planet (and so do Kenny Lim) to bla bla bla, and don't be a pathetic alien in this K-planet?

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  • The kind of sales volume that the Vios generates is like a wet dream to the other non-National car. To put it in correct prepective, the Vios outsells the City and Grand Livina combined.

    For the Koreans to have the same market share in the near future (2 years) or even mid future (5 years) is simply not possible with the infrastructure both official and unofficial that is currently in place. The same goes for the French Cars (also distributed by Naza). In 10 years time, anythings possible.

    Just enjoy your ride guys and keep us updated with the good and bad things about your ride.

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  • kenny_lim on Mar 29, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    IIII,

    sorry to tell u that i am not the same as cyber, and honestly, i do not have the time to calculate all those calculations. i'm just a kia owner who is just fed up with the services provided by naza.

    honestly, i think u should accept critism with an open heart and argue like a man, not a boy. u could already own a car and i assume that u are a grown up, so if you wan to prove your point…then prove it like a grown up not a ranting little boy trying to claim the car that you owned is better than t or h. if u care to read instead of blasting others with name callings, you would have noticed that i never said the car was bad…i only mentioned that the distributor sucks badly.

    ps- tell you what? just try to make a warranty claim from the Kia sc, then tell us ur experience. change some small things or etc, how long would it takes and etc. then u will know what i meant.

    cybermaster98,

    some owners bought the car because that they like it and not because of the resale value. so i think the resale value is not a good point if one loves the car and does not mind the hassle. i also are in the same position as IIII, the car is still good should you maintain it well. else, why ppl still get citroen? skoda? hyundai? cherry? price might be a factor until they realise the cost of the spares while some could accept it as they have the satisfactions

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  • Popularity does not reflect how great a car is. You gotta remember that not all who own cars are enthusiastic about their rides as much as we do. For me Vios is a safe and reliable choice and I understand why people would chose Vios over Forte.

    For now I am still a Jap loyalist but I am interested in Forte – but then again still not convinced enough that they are up to that par of the Japanese made yet. Maybe the Sonata, Tuscon and perhaps whatever newer Kia models could change my mind.

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    • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 29, 2010 at 10:16 pm

      ARX says:

      29/3/2010 at 11:01 am

      Popularity does not reflect how great a car is. You gotta remember that not all who own cars are enthusiastic about their rides as much as we do. For me Vios is a safe and reliable choice and I understand why people would chose Vios over Forte.

      For now I am still a Jap loyalist but I am interested in Forte – but then again still not convinced enough that they are up to that par of the Japanese made yet. Maybe the Sonata, Tuscon and perhaps whatever newer Kia models could change my mind.

      ___________________________________________________________________

      Exactly my way of thought as well. I too dont see the Koreans as being able to erode the general consumer confidence in Toyota / Honda but in the future should they improve i would surely consider a Korean make.

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  • kenny_lim on Mar 29, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    btw llll,

    you kept trying to expose this cybermaster but what about you? you are bragging how good you are and etc, why dont you expose yourself as well? i'm not sure what is your intention but honestly, it would be an offence for you expose other privacy.

    and i hope that cybermaster would not be laying a trap for you. it could be an offence for you should you do it intentionally. just keep ur hot temper to yourself before it gets you into trouble.

    and i'm surprised that the moderator/admin allow this kind of things to happen when others are trying to incite others to do these kind of thigns.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 29, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    kenny_lim says:

    29/3/2010 at 11:13 am

    and i hope that cybermaster would not be laying a trap for you

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    Kenny, I admit i may have underestimated you. You are actually quite a smart guy. U can see what im trying to do with this guy. i hinted to him many times that i will SILENCE him permanently. But he thinks something else. He wont know till it happens. This type of guy thinks he is smart but he has no idea. Haha! Let him continue and then we will see at the end who is smart. But in know that u already figured out what im trying to do with this III guy. U are also smart Kenny.

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  • Cyber, it must be highlighted that you started the ball rooling by giving details of your alleged name, car plate number and land title.

    It was an unwise move to give such details as you never know who reads all this forums and I have previously adviced against giving such details in many other forums. However, its not possible to edit previous posting at this forum hence, I did not bother telling you so and I am sure you had your own reasons for giving such details.

    However, I would advice that both of you and waste tone it a litle down before things really heat up. In Malaysia, things don't go really beyond cursing on the internet. However, in the USA, we had ppl taking guns and going to ppl house and start shooting so lets cool things down.

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    • cybermaster98 (Member) on Mar 29, 2010 at 10:36 pm

      cfa says:

      29/3/2010 at 12:26 pm

      Cyber, it must be highlighted that you started the ball rooling by giving details of your alleged name, car plate number and land title.

      It was an unwise move to give such details as you never know who reads all this forums and I have previously adviced against giving such details in many other forums. However, its not possible to edit previous posting at this forum hence, I did not bother telling you so and I am sure you had your own reasons for giving such details.

      However, I would advice that both of you and waste tone it a litle down before things really heat up. In Malaysia, things don’t go really beyond cursing on the internet. However, in the USA, we had ppl taking guns and going to ppl house and start shooting so lets cool things down.

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      Cfa,

      Your comments are noted and well appreciated. Yes im aware of the dangers of such revelations. But trust me when i say that i have this under control. This is not a mere revelation of personal wealth but a means of silencing III permanently. I am well covered in this aspect and neither am i some hot headed fool who jumps into a battle before carefully calculating all possibilities and eventualities.

      This has been well thought and planned. You should read Kenny's posting again. He has realised what im trying to do. But III is surely blind and ignorant to this. He is so gung ho about trying to catch me that he has failed to see the trap ahead. Let him continue his journey towards that trap. I will wait patiently.

      HEHE

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  • CarTypeRLover (Member) on Mar 29, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    Hey Cybermaster,

    Ure a real slime ball u know! I think u remember me from previous forums. I know what ure trying to do wif this III guy. Dont be so jerk la. This is only car forum. Not war zone.

    III,

    Let me advise you. You better calm down and think carefully before u continue this. I know this Cybermaster. From the way he fight for Toyota i know him. He used a different nickname 2 yrs ago. Dunno wht it was now. He did same thing. But that time his car was only the Vios. Now he has 2nd car. He also challenged the guy that time and finally the guy kena teruk teruk. He dont do anything bad but he make the guy say all kind of thing and make him upset then he challenge him to find out this and that. After that he make him malu on the forum.

    I didnt meet this Cybermaster but my friend know him. He kenakan him then realise that he and that guy work same place. Crazy man!

    We all just cool down ok! No need all tis fighting. Every ppl got love whichever car so no problem ma. No car best.

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  • LYC, I have the patient and all time to carry on the game with you.

    Like I said before, one fine day, you would wish that u have never dare people, challenge people here and there

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  • kenny_lim on Mar 30, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    sigh….jus bcos of a car, all these becomes a personal issue. just becareful of what u wrote here as this can turn against u should anything happens to cybermaster. seriously, u really need to control ur temper and ego…

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