Proton MPV exclusive initial details revealed!
I have some preliminary details on the Proton MPV due to be launched in the first half of 2009. According to a source in Proton, the Proton MPV is on schedule and one of the first chassis prototypes was shown at the Proton Technology Week.
2nd December 2008 UPDATE: Proton MPV Spyshots - photos of the actual Proton MPV being tested on public roads!
The chassis reveals quite a bit about the car. There is also a model of the interior hidden in a box with holes cut into it, much like the peekaboo promo that Proton did for its previous two models. The following are what I gathered on the MPV:
Exterior
- Overall shape is like the Toyota Wish but the rear section of the roof does not slope down slightly like the Wish to improve headroom for the third row.
- Tail lamps use LEDs and have a vertical design extending from the top to down, unlike the Wish’s which do not extend into the D pillar. The tail lamps are slimmer at the top but curve out a little at the bottom, similiar to the Volvo XC90’s design. The signal lamps in the light cluster are positioned towards the top for better visibility. You can actually see this in the previously revealed sketch and the teaser video above.
- There is a swage line on the side profile of the MPV.
- Regular swing doors instead of sliding doors.
- The spare tyre is installed outside under the chassis instead of kept in the car so that you can get access to it easily when the luggage space is occupied.
Interior
- The peekaboo box revealed a two-tone beige interior, but sources in Proton say the colour of the interior has not been finalised. It may be either beige or grey.
- Luggage space is not that great with the third row of seats in place, but can fit one large golf bag. This means balik kampung with 7 people loaded and luggage for 7 will be a challenge.
- Second row splits 60:40 while the third row is a 50:50 split. The seats fold flat.
- Interior roof height is designed to be quite decent to accomodate people who want to ride with songkoks and turbans.
- The shifter uses a gated shift and is dashboard-mounted rather than mounted between the front two seats, a common modern trend with MPV-like vehicles.
- The in-car entertainment is a 2-DIN unit. There are options for a DVD player with an LCD display for the movie mounted at the second row roof area. There is also an option in the future for GPS navigation.
- The 2-DIN head unit is at the top of the center dash area below the aircond vents, and below it comes the air conditioning controls which are three knobs arranged in a triangle shape. Below that is the shifter.
- There are aircond blowers for the second and third row situation at the top left and right of the cabin roof (near the grip handles). Proton source says after testing this produced the best airflow.
- There is no armrest between the front two seats but the armrest is instead a fold-down type integrated into the seat itself.
Chassis
- The wheelbase of the chassis is estimated to be more than 2,700mm but less than 2,800mm. In comparison, the Honda Stream has a wheelbase of 2740mm, the Wish is 2,750mm, the Innova 2,750mm, the Livina 2600mm, and the Mazda5 2750mm.
- The front suspension design uses MacPherson struts and the rear design uses a torsion beam to minimize suspension system intrusion into cabin.
- The front end is designed, supplied and assembled as a single module for weight reduction and ease of installation to minimize QC problems.
- The MPV is said to have very good crash safety design from Proton internal crash tests. A few MPVs will be sent for official crash testing and rating soon.
So there you have it. If you want to look at the interior and chassis for yourself you can head to the Proton Technology Week event tomorrow. The event is happening at the Proton plant in Shah Alam. On the KESAS highway heading towards Klang, turn left after the Center of Excellence and then turn left into the Proton plant.
An initial concept sketch of the Proton MPV interior, but the production version will be tamed down.
Proton MPV teaser video gets attention…
Day 1 visitors having a peek at the new MPV’s interior.
VIDEO: Proton MPV Teaser
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August 2, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
TaDa !!!!
introducing the all NeW proton Kangkung…..
comes with a wonderful package,
- higher maintenance cost…
- lower second hand price,coz nobody wants it….
- more cheap quality things used….
sigh,i dont want to continue…to all those proton fans out there,sorry guys,but i had a nightmare owning a waja few years back..
Malaysia Boleh !!
August 2, 2008 @ 5:12 pm
hmmm…based on the intro it does sound nice..
No picture available yet?
By the way, what engine is used to power this mpv?
August 2, 2008 @ 5:16 pm
Picture Paul? I’m sure there were no cameras allowed but it’s a good thing they let you in there to bring us the first report on how Proton’s MPV might be like.
I remember the last time when they had an open day and I went in there and saw the full-size clay model of the (then secret) Proton Savvy. I asked the guys whether it was indeed the Savvy but they denied it at the time. So, you can be sure that whatever that you saw is indeed Proton’s MPV.
Whether or not it will look good or Most Importantly, Priced well, remains to be seen. But I’m sure Proton is smart enough to understand market sensitivity to pricing, particularly towards a Proton.
Look at the silly pricing play of the Toyota Rush/Perodua Nautica, it is all baloney only serving Toyota’s interest and playing the market for a fool.
Equipment-wise, the Proton MPV you saw is promising. It should have all that is needed for a typical Malaysian family who can afford such a compact MPV.
We will wait for the real thing in anticipation…
August 2, 2008 @ 5:19 pm
Dear Paul, no snap of photos kah? Especially of the MPV.
I can’t make myself to the event. I’m not even in Malaysia.
Thanks..
August 2, 2008 @ 5:23 pm
Thank you for the photos. Now at least we know it looks exactly like the Toyota Wish!!!
August 2, 2008 @ 5:40 pm
zerachiel1986 said,
August 2, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
TaDa !!!!
introducing the all NeW proton Kangkung…..
comes with a wonderful package,
- higher maintenance cost…
- lower second hand price,coz nobody wants it….
- more cheap quality things used….
sigh,i dont want to continue…to all those proton fans out there,sorry guys,but i had a nightmare owning a waja few years back..
Malaysia Boleh !!
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August 2, 2008 @ 5:49 pm
sounds good.
go proton! hopefully u are going the right way. the consumer’s way.
August 2, 2008 @ 5:50 pm
“Interior roof height is designed to be quite decent to accomodate people who want to ride with songkoks and turbans.”
Haha…izzit proton particularly target kampung folks with big family? yeah, being datuk n tuk wan driving the car and all his cucu-cicit sitting at the back~ well well, will that be the advertisement campaign for the this mpv next year?
August 2, 2008 @ 6:33 pm
I’ll be guessing this is where most of the govt funding went to.
With proton’s lousy balance sheet no way they could have funded the development of this mpv themselves.
August 2, 2008 @ 6:35 pm
I hope this is going to be good. supporting our national car maker from afar.
August 2, 2008 @ 6:44 pm
That is a very detailed info you got there. Looks like the dash came from the Gen-2, maybe slightly modified to accommodate MPV. So the MPV will not look like Mazda CX-7 then. I was hoping it was. Proton has no room for a 5-seater MPV with that looks?
August 2, 2008 @ 6:48 pm
well.. some good sketches of the interior.. although i dont really know how far it would be from the actual interior. anyhow a good step forward for proton. I just hope this time they can really deliver with better quality to win back the confidence of the public. the marketing strategy this time seems to be better with the sneak peeks and constant teasing of the market to see the response to such a car. It does look like it would be much better than the previous proton so called mpv (juara was it called???).. anyhow proton has managed to make me wait with anticipation.. hehehehe..
August 2, 2008 @ 6:55 pm
Good job LG CNS!
August 2, 2008 @ 6:56 pm
i WISH to own one..come on Proton, just do the best you can, don’t care bout those basher, it’s natural for people like them(negative all the time)
August 2, 2008 @ 7:23 pm
I don’t blame ppl to be negative abt proton. Perhaps they had experience a lot of problems and heartache during ownership of a proton.
I would feel pretty shitty if my new brand car doesn’t perform as a new car -problem free. I mean, the sole reason I would buy a brand new car is I expect it to be problem free for the first couple of years. Yes?
What if during the ownership (even during waranty period) door handles, button falls off? how would I feel? I pay instalment thru my nose everyday without fail, working my ass off to pay for a decent car - and simple things like buttons, holders, meters, stereos, windows failing? Then noise, rattling etc start creeping up in my brand new car? Something is wrong right? I would feel shitty buying stuff like that. No doubt..
So, some proton bashers are purely bashing for no reason, but there are some ppl who are really frustrated with proton as they personally experience such problem. My uncle had such nightmarish encounter with proton. When he hear about proton, he gets really upset and angry. I’m not blaming him though.
August 2, 2008 @ 7:30 pm
i just came back from proton open day…
first, i saw the proton mpx ,same like lotus apx…no comment
then i saw the the gen2 diesel turbo 1.6 HDI the proton guy beside the car said it will be on the market on 2010, the engine is from wolksvagen kinda good…
then beside it is the neo jumbuck or in malaysia arena neo 1.6..will also be lunch in 2010..looks nice,it’s like neo satria with a pessenger seat and trunk like old arena..i really like it..the proto guy said it will be lunch in malaysia 1st then exported to australia.
beside the neo jumbuck is the impian 3.2 V6. using the 1st V6 engine build by proton. its kinda cool that impian(waja) can fit a big engine without to have the battery put in the trunk.
beside the impian is the impian with campro 1.6 turbo prototype by proton.. also looks good
And at the prototype area is saga ngv, Proton waja with direct cng,5 built in tanks for ngv under the car.really cool because the trunk is not use to put the ngv.all ngv tanks is under the car..
I save THE BEST FOR THE LAST…….
PROTON FORGOT TO HIDE ITS MPV CAR THAT THEY PARK IN ALOT BESIDE THE TEST TRACK!!!! IF U GO TO THE TEST TRACK, BESIDE THE TRACK THERE IS A CAR LOT WHERE THE PARK PROTON CARS AND NEAR THE GATE THERE IS A SILVER MPV THAT IS THE SAME WITH THE PROTON MPV DRAWING ABOVE!!!!!!
AND ALL THE DETAILS IS THE SAME IF YOU GUYS SEE THE PICK-A-BOO BOX….
UNLUCKILY MY CAMERA RAN OUT OF BATERY SO I DIDN”T TAKE THE MPV PICTURE…ALL I CAN SAY IS IT DOES LOOK KINDA SAME LIKE THE CHERRY MPV BUT WITH ALL PROTON BADGES..Haha.
PROTON GUYS, HIDE THAT CAR TOMROW OK?? BCOS TOMORROW I’LL COME AGAIN JUST TO SNAP THE MPV PICS..
August 2, 2008 @ 7:31 pm
Zerachiel1986, I’ve read your comment before. I also own 02 waja but you must be one unlucky lad. My Waja doesn’t cause me any major problem. Well apart from the common door handle and power window problem (1 that need minor repair) the rest is still good. Still use it for 90kms daily commute to my work place (clocked more than 150k). In a few months I’m done with the installment. I’m waiting for this hopefully the price will be right.
August 2, 2008 @ 7:41 pm
wot about the engine information?
mayb will come wot NGV kit oso?
August 2, 2008 @ 7:44 pm
Let’s just hope this time, Proton will consider using back Japanese engines rather than some French shit. I’m actually excited to see this MPV. If the price is right, expect to see me at the dealer with a booking already. Yaye !
August 2, 2008 @ 8:12 pm
kahing,no need to hope, they are not gonna use japanese engine, they have their own engine already, Campro CPS..its more than enough..
August 2, 2008 @ 8:31 pm
imo…..no…campro cps is not enough…and japanesse engines now is not the best option. i’m more keen on wolkswagen and bmw engines. dats y the gen2 diesel 1.6HDI use wolkswagen engine. btw,many car manufacturers share the same engine so i don’t see any reason for proton not doing the same..can save alot of money on developing new engine,or just make a partnership on developing a new engine.
plus, i never blame proton, the people at proton have done a good job but their parts vendor is all shitty..the main problem for proton is their parts that is made by some bad vendors.so thats why there are problems with power windows,headlamp and tail light that is flooded by water when its rain. proton should fine their vendors that supply faulty parts cause the faulty parts has effected proton credibility.so, for those that have some problems with their car before or now,i’m sorry for you guys..haha
August 2, 2008 @ 8:43 pm
torsion beam rear…im not sure whether i like that or not
August 2, 2008 @ 9:06 pm
@ntiperOdua said,
August 2, 2008 @ 5:40 pm
zerachiel1986 said,
August 2, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
TaDa !!!!
introducing the all NeW proton Kangkung…..
comes with a wonderful package,
- higher maintenance cost…
- lower second hand price,coz nobody wants it….
- more cheap quality things used….
sigh,i dont want to continue…to all those proton fans out there,sorry guys,but i had a nightmare owning a waja few years back..
Malaysia Boleh !!
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Please STOP your STUPID COMMENT on THIS PAGE !!!!
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Sorry, just to share experience. My NEW Proton Waja got problems after just TWO WEEKS! Unbelievable?
Yeah I am STUPID, and now I give stupid comment.
August 2, 2008 @ 9:24 pm
go and complain at service centre, claim your warrnty, not here..we want to discuss about the next MPV
August 2, 2008 @ 10:00 pm
gud job proton…..hope the mpv will b a mpv….i mean not so called mpv like the juara…hehehe..
August 2, 2008 @ 10:14 pm
hmm interesting..heehe i’ll go tomorow..paul are the camera is allowed in that area??
August 2, 2008 @ 10:16 pm
Kudos Proton even though l already had a Nissan GL BUT l really proud when my friends and fellow Malaysians bought Proton. I really need a MPV since last year and Proton too late to offer their version.
Now not only Proton made a substandard car, even my friend Livina after a week already had problems. Normal to have a defect here and there as we’re human.
August 2, 2008 @ 10:39 pm
I cannot believe it.
Proton got bashed on the first comment….
To your beloved zerachiel1986.
Sorry for your problem..
Probably you live in Terengganu
Did you sent your Waja at proton’s authorized service center?.
Did you made any claim within the warranty period?
I hope you were not conned by your favorite service center.
.
August 2, 2008 @ 10:40 pm
haiyoo still complaining about the past arr…people make mistake ma…waja is the first car that p1 make it from scratch…i agree the quality is not good…but its was their first try…should be error here n there…thomas edison invent a light bulb after 2000 time trying…he not consider it a failure…he consider 1999 time he try as another way to make the light bulb…my point is the improvement…mayb p1 fail on their first try…but now they r improving…for example waja cps owner is very happy owning the car…yes with some quality issue here n there but negligible for them….ok back to the topic….for me this minor exposure of the mpv is very good marketing hype so the people targeting to buy mpv will hold their decision until its launch…the design is very cool and trendy…hopefully it will come with ngv kit…my lec is a ex p1 engineer..he shown us a scrapped mpv design project dated 3-4 years ago…wut interesting on several pic he showed is one of them showed the mpv is equip with 2 tank of NGV below the chassis platform…mayb p1 will take out this project back as a reference for this mpv project just for the NGV kit…bcoz wut i have seen is nothin close to this mpv design…. p1…gud luck
August 2, 2008 @ 10:53 pm
Dear DRC,
What is the problem?.
Could you share with me?.
Did you made a warranty claim?
I also want to share my experience with my Kancil when I bought it.
Its left turn light and hazard light did not blink.
BTW, that was in 2001. And that was on DAY ONE. not even after two weeks.
Reported the problem on my first service. The repair center (in Temerloh) did not have the parts. So only got it repaired by the second service.
That was three months later!..
I also worked for Honda Malaysia for few years. there are numerous reports on problems with their cars. There were also instances that a buyer parked a Civic at Honda Office in PJ and put a big sign inside the car: “For sale at RM 1 to Honda CEO.”
So what was the big deal about your Waja?
Again I want ask you guys. Is there any complaints on Proton vehicle produced in 2007 onwards?
rt
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August 2, 2008 @ 10:59 pm
BTW, DRC,
I am relieved that you realize that you are stupid.
Hope that JulianLee feel the same.
But I want to tell you that you are ignorant too..
You are ignorant that other manufacturers do have the same problem.
BTW, to defend Honda (and Proton as well), they has improved a lot compared to then the Pegoh plant was just opened.
.
August 2, 2008 @ 11:00 pm
hahaha..so kesian to zerachiel1986…
moral of the story..think before u comment..
hahaha..
August 2, 2008 @ 11:01 pm
got 3.2L V6 o
how was the output?
August 2, 2008 @ 11:56 pm
torsion beam rear ???100% dispointed ???at least should be Multilink for this kind of standard of car..
August 2, 2008 @ 11:59 pm
Huh?? !st Malaysian MPV? Are they hoping that Malaysians will forget the infamous Juara? It was marketed as a MPV back then…
The Rusa was marketed as a van…
Wonder what the model’s codename is. We had the WRM, TRM and SRM. So, is this the JRM?
August 3, 2008 @ 12:12 am
The truth is, ppl will always batch mark their experience and their P1 car’s condition. Some are so pissed off when they proton got into trouble. This is not about the servicing or warranty claim issue.
This is the issue which they paid the car from their own hard earn money only to learn that “shit! i buy new car and yet the door cannot open, windows jammed…” They become sakit hati. So their bashings on P1 is sometimes unavoidable.
So on this new MPV, let’s hope P1 really get it right this time. I would really want to see it’s design!
August 3, 2008 @ 12:19 am
did you guy saw any hybrid proton car around? just now I watch TV news saying that our PM want proton to come out hybrid car in year 2009.
for me proton should come out hybrid car as soon as posible…
I need one…. :p
August 3, 2008 @ 12:54 am
the v6 power is 200bhp. i’m not sure if its 2.2 or 3.2v6 but it fits like a glove in the engine compartment
August 3, 2008 @ 1:36 am
DRC said,
August 2, 2008 @ 9:06 pm
@ntiperOdua said,
August 2, 2008 @ 5:40 pm
zerachiel1986 said,
August 2, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
TaDa !!!!
introducing the all NeW proton Kangkung…..
comes with a wonderful package,
- higher maintenance cost…
- lower second hand price,coz nobody wants it….
- more cheap quality things used….
sigh,i dont want to continue…to all those proton fans out there,sorry guys,but i had a nightmare owning a waja few years back..
Malaysia Boleh !!
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Please STOP your STUPID COMMENT on THIS PAGE !!!!
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Sorry, just to share experience. My NEW Proton Waja got problems after just TWO WEEKS! Unbelievable?
Yeah I am STUPID, and now I give stupid comment.
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chill guys, nobody is saying you are stupid.
just that if you think that proton’s are the only cars in the world with problems, then you must know very very little about cars. so don’t go around talking like you are an expert.
I had a honda city (2003 production) which had 1) power window failure, 2) wiper failure, 3) water leaking into the boot (boot got flooded badly). and this car only did something like 5000km a year. no doubt, protons have had their problems in the past, but as they are trying to improve, I think the least we can do is wait and see. not just bash and write them off. if you apply the same logic, maybe I should write off and bash honda as well. and mercedes too (but that’s another story). I guess getting a problematic car is bad luck as well sometimes….
August 3, 2008 @ 2:28 am
any clue on the engine for this mpv?
August 3, 2008 @ 3:56 am
Abt proton bashing - just here to relate my experience:
Owned a Satria from 99 until 03:
- Simple car, satisfied my needs, cheap maintenance except for my insistence on semi synthetic oil, and the belt change every 60k if i am not mistaken. At end of 03, it clocked in 100,000 km.
- one major grouse was chicken-like noise from i dont know where. the service centre people didnt know where it came from either. I applied oil on most of the joints underneath the car but didnt work. Had to endure this for most of 02-03.
- Sold satria, for some 23k, which was quite good since purchase price was 39k.
Bought Vios in 04, sold it in 07:
-thought japanese car would be good for a change, and would not have funny noises.
-not long after, realised that the boot would not shut firmly enough, unless i give it a lot of force. service centre could not do anything abt it.
- then air cond water leaked into passenger side leg area. the service centre corrected this.
-had one warranty incident - a change of the whole steering mechanism, dont really know what it is called, it was making noise when I turn it right.
- no problem ever since until i sold it recently for around 55k. Felt pretty bad cos since I bought it at 83k, i lost around 28k after only 3 years of use, so I felt like I lost more than my satria sale, which i lost around 17k only, after 5 yrs of use.
So there you have it. I have experience with both local car and foreign-made. I dont think any carmaker can claim zero defect.
Feel like buying a national car again, and the MPV appeals to me now that I am older and more family-oriented person.
August 3, 2008 @ 5:13 am
Hmmm…it seems everybody have said what I feel like saying. Hey Paul, that lady in white pants, her butts are nice eh? Hahaha!
OK. Much for the huha on this upcoming MPV. All seems good so far. Hope this will translate to a good sales and most importantly the QUALITY. As this is the major concern of the public.
But faqe’s comment caught my attention. Turbo diesel engine? Is it TDi or HDi? Which one? And Proton built their own V6 engine? “You sure ah?”. No, I’m not skeptical. In fact, if they are showing all that, they have been busy behind the curtain. That could explain the quiteness from Proton these past few years. Perhaps there are more things happening inside that we don’t know of.
Give them a break guys. No automaker can escape quality issues. Even Mercedes and Honda (I agree with fliedlice) had problem with their own models. If they did it bad, CRITICIZE them by all means. Not bash blindly. But if you really so ’sakit hati’ and need to blame someone, blame their vendors. Most of the parts that gave most of us heartache and headache are from them.
Cheers!
August 3, 2008 @ 8:11 am
David9988,
people like you frustrate all malaysians i think.. because you post stuff up without using your brains.
proton spent 300 million on R&D only over the last year, thats what produced the saga, and also the current ongoing work on the mpv. the govt gave them a grant of about 120 million because of that R&D spending. This r&d grant is available to all car companies in malaysia willing to spend that amount of money in the first place and is normal for all industries. in case you didnt realise also, protons sales are now at an all time high and thats money in the bank, why are people suddenly buying again when they didnt 2 years ago?
you think a measly 120 million is enough for proton to pay 11,000 workers in malaysia, and run 2 factories and keep their export business to 25 over countries running? i seriously challenge all those people who say proton runs solely on tax payers money to do the math and show us. because I cannot imagine how thats done.
August 3, 2008 @ 10:34 am
as always, a simple and informative post on proton gets hijacked by small minded dimwits. hope too see spy pics soon of the test mule on the highway. Cheers paul, good report.
August 3, 2008 @ 11:10 am
BanyakMasukWorkshop said:
“proton spent 300 million on R&D only over the last year, thats what produced the saga, and also the current ongoing work on the mpv.”
> And remember, Proton must recoup the cost of developing Gen2 and Savvy, which actually a failure. Let say RM2-3Billion, to be modest. Now Proton got China market, hopefully can fool some ignorant Chinese car buyers there to at least sell 100K-200K units of Gen2 and Savvy.
Remember: To sell a bad product, sell it to stupid ignorant people.
“in case you didnt realise also, protons sales are now at an all time high and thats money in the bank, why are people suddenly buying again when they didnt 2 years ago?”
Hold your horses!
Saga owners now beware. Check for yourself the rusting part of Saga drive shaft. Even Stevie Wonder can SEE that clearly.
“you think a measly 120 million is enough for proton to pay 11,000 workers in malaysia, and run 2 factories and keep their export business to 25 over countries running?”
You forgot to include those crooks and cronies supplying the faulty Proton parts. Glad if you can proudly add that.
“i seriously challenge all those people who say proton runs solely on tax payers money to do the math and show us. because I cannot imagine how thats done.”
Not only taxpayers money but also EPF contributors money. These two sources always been used by govt using the term ‘investment’ but actually just another form of money laundering.
How about Proton giving 10-years warranty (repeat: TEN YEARS) on all parts, free maintenance an labour charge, let Proton bear all the cost.
Common on, just to balance things up. Wang rakyat for the rakyat back as well, corrrect?
With new Proton MPV looming soon, how much units sales needed to break-even cost? 200-300K units? If current Campro CPS now not much better in FC, how worst it can be in more heavier MPV? Expect new Proton MPV owners not feeling cheated and just keep quiet, again?? So bring a new diesel engine? Is it minimum Euro-4 compliant with our dirtier diesel in the market now? You see, even Campro a kaput, then just forget about selling hybrid or some sh!t like that. Talk about Hydrofuel, yeah right suckers.
So, 3million cars in like 300-years equivalent of mediocrity-embedded progress level, eh? Hyundai would call it a breakfast sales.
When one day (God willing) Proton close shop and die, that day must be declared a national holiday.
Happiest day for all of us, you and me, when national scam & mediocrity halted to an end.
(p/s. Seriously, Proton must give 10-years warranty. If sales still the same, then give 20-years warranty.)
August 3, 2008 @ 11:28 am
hazremi, the problem with proton using the campro engine, I quite doubt it (still) that it’s their best so far. It’s loud, like the Gen2 and Waja Campro. Sounds powerful but when going on a full throttle, my Myvi could beat the crap out of it. Tested and proven. LoL
August 3, 2008 @ 11:43 am
hey guys, calm down please…. for those who hate Proton, just go ahead and continue hating, its alright, we know your grandpa has a BIG factory which produce PERFECT cars that u don’t condemn….
anyway, its nice to see the short teaser of the upcoming MPV, and I believe it will be another great success for Proton if the pricing is at the optimum level…
August 3, 2008 @ 12:34 pm
Chill out guys, this is one of the previous post from Paul Tan:
http://paultan.org/archives/2008/03/24/av-ventures-supplier-for-new-proton-mpv/
So if the new MPV power windows fail, blame this instead.
August 3, 2008 @ 12:43 pm
since when did proton have any form of success? quite apart from when the government jacked up prices of ALL competing vehicles which was say 20 years or more ago?
circumstances more or less the same as 20 years ago. just that in that time just about every other car company ‘has had’ a good product that i’m willing to buy. (’has had’ as in there are even better products coming out soon)
August 3, 2008 @ 12:54 pm
kahing said,
August 3, 2008 @ 11:28 am
hazremi, the problem with proton using the campro engine, I quite doubt it (still) that it’s their best so far. It’s loud, like the Gen2 and Waja Campro. Sounds powerful but when going on a full throttle, my Myvi could beat the crap out of it. Tested and proven. LoL
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Are you sure? Coz I easily surpassed a so called dvvt car.Then let’s race with my new CPS, i’ve tested it against myvi, and i left it far behind..very smooth and powerful
August 3, 2008 @ 1:19 pm
wats wrong wit p1..why dun they show the whole car instead…
August 3, 2008 @ 1:21 pm
Paul, is this model share the platform from the Chery model?
The rear of this model looks similar to that Chery model…
Paul Tan says: Proton says no. It’s another co-development between Proton and LG CNS. But Proton claims less input from LG CNS as compared to the new Proton Saga.
August 3, 2008 @ 1:47 pm
long time no see Maxx88..good to see you bashing like no tomorrow again..well, all i can say is that your facts are lame and out of date man..yawn!!cmon, you can come out with a more intelligent and fresh facts than that same old wang rakyat this..wang rakyat that..
August 3, 2008 @ 2:30 pm
wow. Max88.
where can I get a car with 10 years warranty?
As far I know, IKEA gives 10 years warranty. But IKEA did not produce cars.
The fact is, if Proton closes down. it would be the happiest day for you but at least will not be my happy day. Count me out of your party list.
Have you driven a Proton lately?
rt.
August 3, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
proton bashing…sigh,you people are so ignorant…we,the open minded people call it consumer rights….i dont think people will pay hell of a price for some stupid crap….and to all those who replied to my posts,bravo,your idiocracy smells in the air….why comparing CKD units of honda and toyota with proton shits…dont u people have the brains,they are assembled locally….
IF you really want to compare,well,ask the govt to scrap off the tax…and see which car will be sold more…of course,the proton junk is still surviving due to the tax imposed on the imported vehicles…..
So,get some life…just accept the fact that proton is a total FAILURE….
and for heaven sake,some idiots love to bash perodua,but they dont have the brains to see that many malaysians prefer to buy perodua….why ? simple,better quality than the junk perotong…plotong…or whatever that crap is….
so conclusion….What we see on the road…a.k.a more perodua’s = perodua better than plotong…
August 3, 2008 @ 2:56 pm
kahing
really arr your myvi can beat cps in no time…mayb the cps you beat never meant to race with you bcoz not worthit coz already know the result hahahah…myvi can’t even beat standard savvy…how can you beat cps…be real man..
zerachiel1986 said,
why not comparing it to other manufacturer.. ckd or cbu its not created by god…if not comparing to another make then want to compare with wut…nasi lemak and roti canai ke… …you did the same baseless comparison…it was very clear this paul post about proton mpv….and not waja at all…r u a god that know everthing…how do u know that people will not buying proton if its was an open market…and lastly do you count all perodua on road…how do you know there is more p2 then p1 on the street bcoz wut i seen i can see more new saga then viva…anywhere i go i can saw easily a savvy and lots of persona, waja, gen2 and old p1 model everywhere…more then myvi+viva+rusa+notikar+kembara or else…so on wut base u said more perodua’s = perodua better than plotong…its either u r so narrow minded or u r just plain stupid
August 3, 2008 @ 3:13 pm
dear chap de x….what an odd name,you call me stupid ? i call you plain dumb…..
why dont you read today’s nst CBT and see the latest Customer Satisfaction Survey done….see where your faviorate proton junk is placed…sigh,no point in talking with plain dummies like you…
p/s if i am stupid,i would have bought a plotong…too bad i didnt…
August 3, 2008 @ 3:17 pm
The beige-colored dashboard of the MPV from the peek-a-boo box looks ok, nothing special. The 4 front vents are squarish, and the middle console is neat but too simple & boring. Its just a 1st impression since the lighting is not so good inside the box, and probably it will look different from the actual final design.
For those who love to bash proton as a total failure, please come to the Minggu Teknologi Proton, and see for yourself how much effort that they have put in to make a car from scratch. From the Saga production line, to the R&D center, you’ll not regret it.
August 3, 2008 @ 5:00 pm
normaluser,
I agree 200% with you..
Let say if Perodua held Perodua Technology Week also, wonder what they will show to us? Some pimped Viva, Myvi? Supercharged dvvt? They have no R&D product to show us except some ahbeng style and tweak engine..that’s all..
August 3, 2008 @ 5:19 pm
Ok, so lots of efforts have been putted into saga as claimed, but, it is still not good enough for the actual ‘production’ model. based on the fact that the amount of the new saga seen on the road today.
other than its common ‘you-know-what’ quality, its still doesn’t has anything fancy enough to convince us. other than its cheaper compared to other competitors in its class, and we know why. oh i cant wait for the new honda jazz 1.3 to beat this pride of saga, rm150 million R&D, what a waste of G funding. in the end, its just a crappy car we have no choice but to buy.
for those who support proton, if only you have tasted their after sales service.
lol peek-a-boo again, hell ya im going to put my face on that wall with full of sweats and makeups of the others. cant they come out with something different? its getting lame and bored btw.
August 3, 2008 @ 5:44 pm
Bashing?
Oh my eyes are focused on great comments. SO who cares
Well… all we can do is to get our cameras ready to if we have any luck to hit the shutter when err you know the target (mpv) comes in our sights.
August 3, 2008 @ 5:52 pm
another crap car from proton
August 3, 2008 @ 6:30 pm
Looks real good… as a Juara owner, I’m upset about Proton calling this their “first” mpv when clearly they said the same bout the Juara back then. Anyways, as this is technically the Juara Replacement Model, hope everything goes well. As we saw their partnership with LG produced nice cars like the Savvy and Saga, this should be good as well…
August 3, 2008 @ 6:47 pm
raptorclans, i think they call tis mpv their 1st cz juara was imported from jap straight from mitsu initially…later they manufacture here…ppl bash juara but they dnt know its actually imported straight from jap mitsu…when juara hv issue malaysian blame proton but in fact its like i said so many times, IMPORTED FROM JAP MITSU!…sigh malaysian…praise jap like God…they r good, but not minus 1 o…
August 3, 2008 @ 9:05 pm
I think the suitable name for this mpv is Proton Wish. like Inokom Getz which is local assembly of hyundai Getz.This is the local made of Toyota wish. Fuel consumption will be an interesting topic for this Proton Wish cause Proton tend to produce high fuel consumption vehicle.
August 3, 2008 @ 9:12 pm
it is confirmed campro cps 1.6 pulling 1450 kerb weight.
August 3, 2008 @ 9:36 pm
althuogh i love japanese car, but i wish goodluck proton!! btw please reduce japanese car price,,,,,
August 3, 2008 @ 10:53 pm
1.6 pulling 1450 kerb weight car ??
even though the cps got 125hp
but mpv need torque rather than horse power
so 150nm pulling an 1450kg with no one on it
if 7 people sat on it , 60 kg per person ,that mean the engine have to pull 1930kg
wow , 150nm pulling an almost 2k kg car
it would be interesting when it go up genting highland
the fc must be a very nice figure .
proton ,come on lah ,put something more powerful , and 1.8 or 2.0 can be satisfied or maybe a turbo/supercharge 1.6 cps ,but please do not enter the plain 1.6 cps inside the mpv ,it not enough power to run the car
August 3, 2008 @ 11:37 pm
the max torque n power are fine enough. How they address the gear ratios n torque curve are what matters. Avanza is about 1700kg n the torque is just 141Nm. Still genting wouldnt be a problem thou.
August 4, 2008 @ 12:18 am
i wish proton will carefully choose the right engine for this first MPV.
min 2000cc engine la..
or else no hope to hv good fuel economy and power..
go go Proton
all the best
August 4, 2008 @ 1:20 am
avanza kerb weight is under 1100kg leh
is 3xxkg less then proton mpv
gear ratio does change the effect of torque
but , proton only got 4 speed auto ,not much they can do with gear ratio if they wanted the fc on highway is low .
or they want to learn wish , wish fourth gear is using ratio bigger than 1.000 but remember then, wish is using a engine produce 190nm of torque
even that much of torque still need a gear ratio more then 1.000 at the highest gear , i dun think the 1.6cps could excel the jod
August 4, 2008 @ 1:59 am
Zerachiel1986,
Some people here called you a “basher” while they know NOTHING about your frustration! Believe me, I had been through your same nightmare. The feeling like we had been betray by the faith we’ve given to them. The people who NEVER understand what you’re going through simply need to experience it…then they’ll know what hit them to their FACE! They think we pay our car installment with “taik hidung” ke?! Read RotiNaan and Mokkf82 comments. Even them have the decency to understand your comments and not simply jugde you as a “basher”. The both of them doesn’t have to agreed with you but at least they understand your frustration and you can count me in too…
p/s: I wish one day you can find a car that you proud of (Free of trouble of coz)…I do!
August 4, 2008 @ 7:35 am
At last our own Proton Harap/Impian. (The Impian sound familiar isn’t it.) It should be price wise. Our excise on MPV is higher than normal sedan. this will really where proton can take advantage of; its price. I salute the new CEO for hearing what the people want and need first before venturing into designing a new cars. kudos.
August 4, 2008 @ 9:07 am
hazremi said,
August 3, 2008 @ 12:54 pm
kahing said,
August 3, 2008 @ 11:28 am
hazremi, the problem with proton using the campro engine, I quite doubt it (still) that it’s their best so far. It’s loud, like the Gen2 and Waja Campro. Sounds powerful but when going on a full throttle, my Myvi could beat the crap out of it. Tested and proven. LoL
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Are you sure? Coz I easily surpassed a so called dvvt car.Then let’s race with my new CPS, i’ve tested it against myvi, and i left it far behind..very smooth and powerful
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hazremi…maybe he was racing a gen2 auto with 6 ppl inside while his is a manual 1.3 with only driver inside.
August 4, 2008 @ 9:12 am
at least proton got put in effort to design their own cars…what the hell can P2 do in R&D? make another new fat ass myvi assey (SE) ? or viva sissy ? and sell for 5k premium?
stupid fools bashing somebody that is working hard while praising a lazy ass company and worship the company like a god just bcos its linked to toyota.
August 4, 2008 @ 9:27 am
torque.. whats wrong with you?? what nightmare has zerachiel gone true??
“p/s if i am stupid,i would have bought a plotong…too bad i didnt…”
he just said himself that he didnt buy a proton. so unless he is lying, why is he having nightmares about proton? he claims he owned a waja a few years back..
Torque, the fact is, its true, many people have been burned by poor quality protons in the past. and i’m pretty sure the frustration is real with many people who post in this forum.
But the facts also state that proton seems to have turned around somewhat since syed zainal took over. they’re not losing money like last time anymore. under his leadership, they came out with 2 models in quick succession with an mpv next year. so far, these 2 models are selling very well and more importantly, their warranty claims have hit a new low, including customer complaints.
So yes, old customers feel like they’ve been shortchanged, but also yes, new customers are seeing and feeling a new proton that has certainly improved from before.
all zerachiel is doing is condemning a product thats hasnt even been launched, and no one has any hard facts on.. plus this model will be launched on the back of 2 currently successful proton models..
is that mere frustration, or just blindly bashing?
August 4, 2008 @ 10:40 am
BanyakMasukWorkshop,
Do you actually read his earlier post? It was you I should ask “What the heck is wrong with you?”. Don’t become like somebody here, call people basher just b’coz they had a bad experience with Proton. PLEASE…understand their situation first, why they end up like that…don’t simply pass jugdement on them! If he is lying, let God judge him la…but what if he’s not?! And YES he shouldn’t condemning any product that hasn’t been lauched yet, it’s quite unfair but then again…..AGAIN…understand his frustration first la! Even RotiNaan and Moffk82 have the decency to understand his situation, FAHAM? Baca SEMUA post dulu, jangan baca kat bawah saja!!
August 4, 2008 @ 11:15 am
torque,
this thread is not a place to put your frustration and we all are no physiatrist that could help to ease their pain. for god sake, this is new proton MPV thread and the sad oll story about any misfortune with any car is not related. Maybe paul could create new thread for all those people who like to seek advice and comfort and share their sadness and their sad story about power window perhaps.
Talk about proton MPV la bro. If you want to put emotion and frustration into your word, please go on. (i do feeling you are too emotional and sensitive, just like a women). Sorry bro.
anyway..i had been there and talked to the engineers. they will start with 1.6 campro CPS ..(maybe include the turbo+ vvt). The turbo version of campro cps was shown there. the engineer said the HP are restricted to 225hp only. (well, 225hp for 1.6 turbo could ne consider generous already. and the V6 2.0 are definately not from Mitsubishi. I asked the engineer about it and whether that engine is from NEV project. His answer was, maybe yes..maybe not but definately not mitsubishi. the Hp for proton V6 rated at 200hp. (much more powerful than mitsu v6 2.0 at 150hp).
August 4, 2008 @ 12:22 pm
Astarjumbo,
Hello bro, if you feel that I’m too emotional and sensitive…that’s your problem la dude! God have gave me a heart and feeling that is fill with emotion. If you blame me then blame God as well la. My FRUSTRATION lies on the matter that people bashing Proton without any hard fact or experience. Just simply post comment from stories that they heard but not experience it! If you want to be like “others” to pass jugdement…sorry bro, your brain needs to be tweak! To be fair…if I’m too emotional and sensitive…then you too are simply dumb! I guess you know all the answer in the world, don’t cha?
August 4, 2008 @ 12:30 pm
One more thing, I DO OWN A PROTON BUT NEVER HAD ANY BAD EXPERIENCE WITH MY OLD SATRIA! Just b’coz the rest of you all and me never get to experience what people went through, that doesn’t gave you rights to call people BASHER if they actually post their frustration. Who’s the dumb now?
August 4, 2008 @ 1:17 pm
The MPV powertrain remains a mystery.
The sources that I have:
1) Proton MPV supplier in May - “Confirm its a 1.6L campro”
2) Proton engineer 2 days ago- “After testing, 1.6L is not fit enough to carry the load, so Proton may use 1.8 or 2.0 instead
Does anyone remember the EO1 Petronas 2.0L 4-cyl 200hp engine planted on a Waja prototype not too long ago? The prototype has so many potential to commercialize, too bad the development just ended abruptly.
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“astarjumbo says
anyway..i had been there and talked to the engineers. they will start with 1.6 campro CPS ..(maybe include the turbo+ vvt). The turbo version of campro cps was shown there. the engineer said the HP are restricted to 225hp only. (well, 225hp for 1.6 turbo could ne consider generous already. and the V6 2.0 are definately not from Mitsubishi. I asked the engineer about it and whether that engine is from NEV project. His answer was, maybe yes..maybe not but definately not mitsubishi. the Hp for proton V6 rated at 200hp. (much more powerful than mitsu v6 2.0 at 150hp).”
August 4, 2008 @ 1:18 pm
I saw a Chery B240 in their car storage near the flyover to the test track! the badge on the rim was tapped off. I ask the person on the MPV chassis about the Chery and he denied any connection to it. But he told me that they use the Chery B240 as their benchmark.
August 4, 2008 @ 1:27 pm
alo kawan2,
any personal argument go somewhere else pls…u give him your email/contact and he give u his…then u can argue whose dumb or dumber 24 hours non stop there….here we only interested to read about the MPV..peace
August 4, 2008 @ 1:32 pm
I saw the MPV too in silver color with white rear lights. I thought it was a Mazda5 from the rear view. I can only see the but.
You sure they use the Chery as the benchmark? I thought it is the Wish, which Proton bought and did massive surgery & reverse engineering on it before coming out with the MPV.
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chery said,
August 4, 2008 @ 1:18 pm
I saw a Chery B240 in their car storage near the flyover to the test track! the badge on the rim was tapped off. I ask the person on the MPV chassis about the Chery and he denied any connection to it. But he told me that they use the Chery B240 as their benchmark.
August 4, 2008 @ 1:33 pm
bangang tahap gaban punye bashers..
dun pollute this blog!!
August 4, 2008 @ 2:00 pm
it is the Chery because i saw the front when the bus took me to the test track
http://www.thetycho.com/art/suv/cheryv5_3.jpg
thats what the people told me on the MPV chassis booth there…..
August 4, 2008 @ 2:06 pm
proton new mpv with campro 1.6 cps turbo…good enough for a start.
rolled out that 1.8 cps and 2.0 v6 out proton. revived back the 2.0, 2.2 V6 vvt engine project and bring me the perdana replacement. 1.8 cps turbo could always be used for Putra, Satria Neo and as well as proton MPV.
August 4, 2008 @ 2:41 pm
i just hope Proton knows the problems with their models by now. Not that Proton products are inferior but they need refinement. They are there already. A little bit on the engine, a bit on the comfort and practicality, a lot on durability of the parts (very common issue) and a bit on the image.
Good luck.
August 4, 2008 @ 2:56 pm
Paul,
I seriously think that you should moderate some of the comments. We do respect freedom of expression, however please respect others who love the car, in the car industry and enthusiast alike and peace loving. To go for personal rants and attacks, please do it elsewhere.
Are you guys sure Proton is going with new engine again for the MPV? aiyyah, projected volume what, 300K annually? 1 block, 3 different engine, so aiyyoh, who is going to buy the rest of the engines? over how many years is the ROI? adoh.. that is very unlikely.. I believe its the other engine they’ll be using la.. cannot be.. doesn’t make sense (economically).. but 1 things for sure that car is the future of Proton, and who is partnering proton (and at what price) will be based on the success of the MPV..
August 4, 2008 @ 3:15 pm
We can drive this MPV on March 2009.. hopefully the “zero defect campaign” by proton will not only just campaign.. we will see the result.. anyway good job proton!
August 4, 2008 @ 3:29 pm
Just got info from my fren at proton, he said this MPV will use campro 1.6… not sure what kind of booster they add to power this big body.. may be tongkat ali..
August 4, 2008 @ 4:03 pm
chery, i agree with you.
yup…this is the mpv that i mention ealier on saturday that i saw beside the proton test track,beside the small flyover.
http://www.thetycho.com/art/suv/cheryv5_3.jpg
exactly look alike with just different rims….from the body shell that proton display at the open day u guys can see clearly that the proton mpv and cherry mpv share the same platform and just differ just a little bit in cosmetic. btw, the cherry mpv if i’m not mistaken uses ford 1.8 and 2.0 engine
btw, i’m kinda lucky to sneek silently in and out into a room inside the proton r&d area that is prohibited to civilians and i saw a sedan prototype, maybe it’s the waja or perdana replacement.looks kinda good..
sorry i didn’t take some pics bcos afraid of gettin caught…
all the best proton!
cheers!
August 4, 2008 @ 4:14 pm
look like lgrand livina on the front, or is it just me??
August 4, 2008 @ 4:54 pm
hmm…where is sifu..
long time never seen him commenting in paul tan. He might have the answer for what type of engine to be used.
One thing for sure the V6 engine (2.0, 2.2 and 3.0) are completed and ready for production (according to the engineer). The problem is the fund allocation. They are channelling most of their fund for MPV project and this engine might have to wait. The blueprint of the engine and the testing had been done. Now it the matter when to produce.
Which engine to use in MPV..that is one big question mark.
a) Campro CPS 1.6 plain vanilla (for sure exist)
b) Campro 1.6 Turbo Charged (existed, ready to roll)
c) Campro 1.8 CPS (Not sure whether this exist or not, some say it exist..but no indication at that technology day)
d) V6 2.0,2.2 7 3.0 (exist, ready to roll)
f) Campro EVE hybrid. (maybe another 3 years to go before they perfected it)
the most economical and logical candidated should be (b) campro turbo charge 1.6. Ordinary campro 1.6 CPS might not be able to sufficiently be efficient enough for the large chasis.(Although GL had done it, 1.6 liter MPV). It have enough HP and torque for the purpose and it doesn’t involved any investment on production of new engine.
Don’t worry about the engine, Young man and the Iranian will buy it from proton if they produce it.
August 4, 2008 @ 6:06 pm
as an owner of a toyota wish 2.0 I can tell you that a 1.6L engine will not perform adequately.The wish is not a light car(1450kg empty).consumption,acceleration will suffer if they choose the wrong engine and the whole concept of a midi 7 seater which drives almost as well as sedan will be lost.The beauty of the wish is that you have the extra 2 seats for kids at the back when you need it,easy to store flat seats(unlike innova) ad yet remains agile enough to drive moderately fast and doesn’t take up too much parking space.
August 4, 2008 @ 7:03 pm
Engine should be 1.8 for MPV.
Any idea when perdana replacement is coming out Paul? Perrdana very old already la, need to be replaced.
August 4, 2008 @ 7:23 pm
After this they should make perdana replacement (and go all out). then they should make SUV, then maybe new putra (make it really powerful 1.8 turbo charged or supercharged, 2.0 V6 or something).
Proton should make their engine more fuel efficient (then can compete with Japanese), they should also make the interior better (less plastics), they should also make their cars more crash worthy and safe (better body structure and more airbags and maybe traction control and more electronics). Then they can compete with the Europeans and Japanese.
August 4, 2008 @ 8:29 pm
who ever designed the new proton MPV should be ashamed of himself.Basically at one look it does not look anything like TOYOTA WISH.I bet my last dollars the new proton MPV would turn out to be like another shit car produced by the great PROTON.But as usual MALAYSIAN as stupid as they are would rush and book and buy and drive then say its a damm ass car.
August 4, 2008 @ 8:36 pm
Can’t really imagine how the final design looks like but it is a good move to come out with a MPV to capture market share. On the down side lately too many MPVs and giant 4WDs on the road which I personally feel that it will cause more accidents than years before due to its height that block other motorist view.
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hypermount said,
August 4, 2008 @ 1:33 pm
bangang tahap gaban punye bashers..
dun pollute this blog!!
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p/s Off Topic - Sorry Paul
Hahaha, hi Hyper, get used to it la. Believe me if one day the national brand being replaced with jap*n genre brand even the whole car is made in malaysia no one will complaint
How about Toyoton
August 4, 2008 @ 8:42 pm
another bloody unser
August 4, 2008 @ 10:16 pm
hey Paul… where is the close-up pictures of the chasis/partial MPV? did you forgot or they didn’t allowed you to take a closer look?
August 4, 2008 @ 10:25 pm
If we look closely the chery mpv and the proton mpv teaser video,its design look exactly the same. I believe there will be some cosmetic changes to the interior & exterior of the car. Using engine1.8cc and above will be more suitable for this mpv for better torque and power as well consumption.
August 4, 2008 @ 10:58 pm
Any news regarding new transmission being develop or adopt? Expecially automatic transmission with paddle shifter, AMT, dual clutch etc.
August 5, 2008 @ 3:20 am
Starting persona, proton do not have much problem with it, except BLM. I ask a few frens who bought Persona. Seems ok. NO PROBLEM AT ALL they said. So pls la guys, don bash proton all the time.
I heard 1 time that Toyota Avanza got problem and Toyota cant repair it after more than 1 year. And still the car like that until now.
While Honda, im not sure. but the maintenance thing after few years, gonna be way damn high.
U thk proton car sux? make ur own car la… or use trolley for maintenance free !
August 5, 2008 @ 4:00 am
1 more thing, how u all know the 1.6 or 1.8 or 2.0 engine is not suitable for this or that car? U all engineers ar? Teach me lor !
August 5, 2008 @ 4:31 am
Anyone manage to snap the photo of the very dark Peek A Boo box interior? Please shre it here. (There must be someone manage to snap some photos out of it)
August 5, 2008 @ 7:20 am
hazremi said,
August 3, 2008 @ 12:54 pm
kahing said,
August 3, 2008 @ 11:28 am
hazremi, the problem with proton using the campro engine, I quite doubt it (still) that it’s their best so far. It’s loud, like the Gen2 and Waja Campro. Sounds powerful but when going on a full throttle, my Myvi could beat the crap out of it. Tested and proven. LoL
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Are you sure? Coz I easily surpassed a so called dvvt car.Then let’s race with my new CPS, i’ve tested it against myvi, and i left it far behind..very smooth and powerful
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hazremi…maybe he was racing a gen2 auto with 6 ppl inside while his is a manual 1.3 with only driver inside.
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King, I was driving 4 passengers inside my Myvi and the Gen2 had only the driver, but its my fault that my car is turbo-ed. Haha. Anyway, don’t have to get all aggressive on me for voicing out my opinion and I wasn’t even bashing. Still having some doubts, know the difference between bashing and doubting ?. Try not to be too childish ya ?
August 5, 2008 @ 8:12 am
faqe said,
August 4, 2008 @ 4:03 pm
chery, i agree with you.
yup…this is the mpv that i mention ealier on saturday that i saw beside the proton test track,beside the small flyover.
http://www.thetycho.com/art/suv/cheryv5_3.jpg
exactly look alike with just different rims….from the body shell that proton display at the open day u guys can see clearly that the proton mpv and cherry mpv share the same platform and just differ just a little bit in cosmetic. btw, the cherry mpv if i’m not mistaken uses ford 1.8 and 2.0 engine
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The engine used by the Chery MPV is the ACTECO engine produced by Chery themselves. And i think Proton only copy the exterior styling. The Chery got a sophisticated multi-link rear suspension while Proton only use a simple beam-axle
August 5, 2008 @ 4:24 pm
yup,i agree with you chery
proton mpv just probably share the same platform with the chery mpv but different interior syling(dashboard,instruments,gauges) and minor changes on the body styling(just diffrent bumpers and different headlamp and tail light). maybe after this malaysian can convert their proton mpv MDM to CDM(china domestic market) styling and not JDM …hehehe
yup…i forgot, the rear suspension of proton n chery mpv is different. proton goes for cheaper and easy solution by using beam-axle
btw, chery only PRODUCE not DEVELOP engine their self but the engine is based on ford engine(if i’m not mistaken)
(make deal with other car manufacturer to produce their engine and pay royalty )
just like proton campro engine , certain aspects smells like mitsubishi to me…sorry guys..
all the best proton!
August 6, 2008 @ 12:07 am
chery b14(v5)
got several version
got one of it is using torsion beam
another is used multilink
August 6, 2008 @ 3:50 pm
ayoyoyo MPV is coming
August 6, 2008 @ 6:15 pm
salam muhibbah buat pelayar ruangan paulan.org
maaf saya hanya mampu berbahasa melayu..baru-baru ini saya ada melayari satu blog..dan ada petikan luahan rasa engineer dari proton..saya ni hanya seorang pelajar..saya tak faham kenapa orang kita suka mengutuk usaha2 yang dijalankan oleh proton..adakah mereka pernah bekerja di ruangan R&D proton?begitu mudah anda melemparkan kata2 begitu..baiklah..di sini saya ingin forward-kan petikan luahan seorang engineer proton..yang saya ambil dari laman blog..
Assalamualaikum,
Yang ni saya kena jawab la sebab banyak sangat misinformation. Biasanya information yang berpindah dari satu mulut ke satu mulut yang lain akan berubah menjadi sensasi. Itu lah masyarakat kita. Kita bukan mendapat firsthand info tapi berdasarkan cerita yang telah ditokok tambah. Ini dia cerita dari orang dalam yang duduk ditengah-tengah R&D PROTON.
Saya ada kenalan dari kastam boleh confirmkan perkara ni.. member saya kerja kastam kat kelang dan beliau sendiri yang maklumkan yg salah satu tugas dia adalah buat checking penerimaan barangan proton untuk di pasangkan di negara ni. Satu kontena enjin je.. manakala kontena lain adalah pintu, body dan sebagainya. sama lah dengan kereta lain juga.
Kalau kita lalu kat kawasan glenmarie tu, akan ternampak lah satu tanda Kilang Enjin Proton. Tanda tu tak duduk kat situ untuk suka suka je. Kalau kita jengok kat dalam. Boleh nampak besi cair yang dituang kedalam acuan untuk membuat enjin block. Memang proton ada mengimpot enjin tapi dari kelas 1.2 dan 2 liter. 1.2liter untuk Savvy (enjin Renault) dan 2.0liter untuk Perdana. Tapi untuk enjin 1.3, 1.5, 1.6 proton buat sendiri. Untuk pintu pulak hanya kereta-kereta Perdana sahaja yang proton beli pintu dari Mitsubishi. For your information, Untuk membuat pintu sahaja memerlukan dekat 20 acuan. Bayangkan lah 4 pintu. Modal itu shaja sudah hampir RM50 juta. So untuk kereta yang volume kecil, kita beli dari luar. Untuk kereta Isawara, Wira, Waja, Gen2, Savvy 100% body dibuat di Malaysia .
Bayangkan dah 20 tahun menanti kereta Malaysia yang sebenarnya tak keluar-keluar lagi. Bagi yang berkemampuan sudah tentu tak mahu menggunakan injin kenderaan berteknologi 70an, 80an dan 90an yang diubahsuai. Sudah tentu ramai nak teknologi terkini dan sebenarnya milik kita. Secara umumnya proton masih belum ada enjin sendiri lagi.. jadi adalah sukar hendak dikatakan kalau ianya adalah kereta Malaysia yang sebenarnya. Pengeluaran kenderaan adalah berdasarkan injinnya barulah boleh dikatakan ianya kenderaan negara sebenarnya.
Disini lagi ada misinformation. Memang untuk kereta Perdana kita impot enjin dari Jepun. Untuk Savvy kita gunakan enjin Renault. Untuk Isawara, Wira dan Waja kita buat enjin di Malaysia walaupun design original dia dari Mitsubishi. Tapi enjin Gen-2 adalah enjin terkini yang direka oleh jurutera Proton dan dibina di Malaysia. Enjin tersebut menggunakan teknologi terkini. Jadi kenyataan diatas agak menyesatkan sedikit. Naza, Perodua. Masih lagi membawa enjin dari luar. Modal untuk mereka dan mengeluarkan enjin ni amat besar. Nak dapat return pun bukan nya sekejap. Tapi demi maruah dan kemajuan, kita korbankan keuntungan jangka pendek. Selagi kita tidak mengeluarkan enjin sendiri.. selagi itu kita tidak tahu. Sekarang kita telah pun mengeluarkan enjin sendiri orang masih tidak percaya. Itu lah masalah orang kita memandang rendah kebolehan anak negara sendiri.
Selama ini proton bergantung kepada Mitsubishi sebagai rakan teknikal. Oleh kerana kontrak selama 20 tahun telah tamat. Maka proton terpaksalah mencari rakan teknikal yang baru dan bermulalah masalah melanda proton. Sudah tentu rakan teknikal baru tidak mahu meneruskan rekaan dan teknologi mitshubishi lagi. So apa kan jadi pada kereta proton yang ada sekarang ni untuk masa akan datang.
Tidak wujud kontrak 20 tahun dengan Mitsubishi. Mereka adalah rakan kongsi. Bertahun tahun kita berkerjasama dengan Mitsubishi tetapi teknikal apa yang mereka turunkan. Kalau kita pernah berkerja dengan orang Jepun atau Korea , mereka inilah yang paling kemut ilmu. Tapi bab nak korek ilmu kita, dia orang rajin habis.Korang jangan terkejut bila saya cakap yang idea kita pun banyak yang Jepun curi. So bila kita mula menuntut teknologi baru dari mereka mula lah nak caj dan nak ikat royalti yang tak munasabah. Nak mintak copy teknikal drawing zaman dulu sekeping pun dia orang caj beribu ribu. Mulalah kita pandang teknologi dari barat dan teknologi sendiri. Sebab itu kita beli Lotus.. Kita ignore Jepun. Bila kita design sesuatu yang lebih baik laju je dia orang hantar balik information ke Mitsubishi. Last-last kita pun mula bersikap secrecy dengan dia orang lama lama diaorang fed up dan mintak keluar. Lagi pun dia orang dah nampak afta nanti dia orang akan masuk balik ke Malaysia.
Perodua kenapa daihatsu/toyota memberi enjin latest dia orang. Sebab Perodua tu 100% milik Toyota/Daihatsu. Dah lama UMW menjual saham dia orang kepada Jepun. Proton. Milik Malaysia .
Mungkin ada yang tahu dan ada yang tak tahu yang proton yang digunakan pakai sekarang adalah barangan Mitshubishi. Samalah seperti kereta lain.. tukar lambang je..
Inilah susah orang kita ni. Banyak mendengar cerita sensasi yang banyak ditaruk banyak rempah ratusnya.. Memang pada mulanya kita belajar selepas itu kita buat sendiri.Saya adalah seorang yang terlibat dengan kerja kerja tersebut.
Saga - base dia Lancer lama. Kita Cuma tukar depan dan belakang sikit.
Iswara - base Saga, kita mula belajar untuk design kereta sendiri.
Masa ni Mitsubishi dah tak berapa setuju bila kita menubuhkan R&D. So kita menggunakan khidmat penasihat dari UK .
Wira - Disini berpuluh puluh designer dan engineer Proton dihantar ke Jepun untuk kerjasama design kereta baru. Proton dan Mitsubishi kongsi modal. Hampir 2 tahun kami disana. Bahagian tengah dikongsi bersama. Depan dan Belakang, design asing-asing. Lampu depan dan belakang share sebab nak kurang kan cost. Hasilnya Proton Wira-Mitsubishi Lancer. Orang akan kata hah kongsi je sebab tak tahu buat kerja. Tapi ada orang kata apa apa bila Ford dan Mazda berkongsi bahagian tengah? Ford Laser dan Mazda 323 adalah kereta yang sama. Ada orang komplen? Bila orang Malaysia yang buat begitu orang Malaysia sendiri yang nak mengutuk. Tak ramai yang tahu seksa bekerja kat Je