Kleemann tune-up kits are now officially available in Malaysia through its official appointed dealer German Motors Sdn Bhd. The name German Motors may be familiar to you. Their outfit is based in Section 13 PJ and they are an independent service center for Mercedes-Benz, Smart, BMW, VW, Volvo and Audi cars in Malaysia, but naturally Mercedes-Benz cars are their speciality considering Managing Director Fritz Imbacher was previously with Hap Seng Star and was responsible for the setting up of their Bandar Kinrara service center.
German Motors can perform the installation of all products available from Kleemann Denmark, as long as it suits your car. Tune-ups that only involve ECU upgrades can usually be done on the same day. Since November 2009, German Motors has performed Kleemann upgrades on 14 cars so far, with 3 customers doing a complete upgrade including exhaust headers and performance camshafts.
Here are some example prices available:
- 215hp, 310Nm 200K1 kit for E200K (W211): RM 8500
- KD box for any CDI diesel (not only Mercedes): RM4,400
- ECU upgrade for M272 V6 (W204, W211): RM5,450
There are also ECU upgrades for smart cars according to Mr Fritz but the price and technical information has yet to be released by Kleemann. Also, at this moment there aren’t any tune-up kits for the new turbocharged CGI engines found in the W212 E200CGI/E250CGI. According to the Kleemann website, the 200K1 kit for the M271 Kompressor engine is not just a simple ECU upgrade. Components in the kit include a ‘K-Box’, an air filter, pulleys/belts and a fuel regulator.
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hi Paul, so what is the benefit of upgrading the ECU for W211's M272?
Right now M272 only got kit for the 3.5L, found in S350, ML350, etc here in Malaysia. The 2.5L and 3.0L kit figures yet to be released.
For 3.5L – stage 1 is 295hp/365Nm. Stage 2 adds some exhaust mods for 315hp/380Nm. Stage 3 adds cams – 335hp/379Nm.
Surely an upgrade for E200 CGI to E250 specs should be a simple thing. Why don't they have this?
Dunno. Probably still doing reliability testing?
ECU upgrade 5 thou,
whot justify 5 thou,
i dont blame anyone, its Merc. people who can afford a Merc, should afford to that amount of quotation .
do you really…..really….really……really….need that extra….ooommpphhhh!?
will these upgrade affect the warranty?
it will probably void ur warenty right ?
Paul, do you have any idea where to get Heico parts for volvo ?
thanks
Any upgrades for the m271 engine found in the C200k?
paul. can this tuned up be done to other brand such as honda or toyota?
german motors dont do honda toyota. i know cause i service my car there.
But u can look for other remappers that does japanese cars.
anyone knows how much is a normal service at german motors? Also could they tune older mercedes cars like W202 and so on?
Hi dodgeviper88,
Of course we can do older Mercs as well. We have done already the famous MB600 to the SL55AMG.
The regular oil service for, lets say the C200 W202, with fully synth. oil approved by MB is around RM 400, with semi synth., approved oil is around RM 260. Check out our website for special package prices. You will find us very compatitive.
Dear Paul, How about an Audi A4, are the german motors do modification for AUDI? i know ABT or Reiger… these twos is kind of their partners… but kleeman.. i'm not sure
Dear level-one,
Yes, we can do almost all German cars and quite a few Japanese and Korean cars as well. The ECU upgrade for Audi, VW, etc. is RM 2900. Your are always welcome to visit us and discuss your requirements.
Fritz
Hi Mr. Fritz,
any tune up chip for W204 C200 KOMPRESSOR 2008 MODEL? THANKS.
Dear Paul,
How much HP should I get for my E270CDi for the belows?
>>KD box for any CDI diesel (not only Mercedes): RM4,400
Thanks in advance.
Dear Paul,
Due to favourable exchange rate we can do the KD box now for RM 4100.
For any other CDI’s we can sell another manufacturer for RM 2900. The HP increase is usually around 40HP
Fritz
Dear Fritz,
When would you have something for the W212 CGI engines? I understand from MB Malaysia that the main issue is that this engine has been specifically tuned for Malaysia’s poor quality fuel and as such, any tuning will revert it to original settings meant to be used with Euro4 petrol. What say you?
Pacman88
Dear Pacman88,
The issue is not the fuel quality. The modern engine mangements are designed to take care of poor fuel quality; original or tuned does not matter. In case of really low RON the ignition timing will be retarded to avoid knocking of the engine. Knocking is caused by self ignition of the fuel.
Currently no tuner has a ECU upgrade for the CGI engines. This is software related. According Kleemann, they are working on it and inform us as soon as a solution is available. I keep you posted. Regarding the warranty, I agree with dukeKTM. The warranty in general would be void. However, with the standard diagnostic tools, the ECU upgrade cannot be detected.
Fritz
Fritz, a Mercedes-Benz Malaysia senior manager told me that the 4-potter CGI engine’s lean burn mode has been disabled in our Malaysian cars, thus the direct injection only runs in homogeneous mode, no lean burn air-fuel ratio.
Will the ECU upgrade affect this specific local market change?
This upgrades will definitely void warranty for new cars…
So for Mercs owners…wait until your warranty period finish first…
Fritz says:
12/4/2010 at 9:00 am
Dear Pacman88,
The issue is not the fuel quality. The modern engine mangements are designed to take care of poor fuel quality; original or tuned does not matter. In case of really low RON the ignition timing will be retarded to avoid knocking of the engine. Knocking is caused by self ignition of the fuel.
Currently no tuner has a ECU upgrade for the CGI engines. This is software related. According Kleemann, they are working on it and inform us as soon as a solution is available. I keep you posted. Regarding the warranty, I agree with dukeKTM. The warranty in general would be void. However, with the standard diagnostic tools, the ECU upgrade cannot be detected.
Fritz
Hi Fritz
MB Malaysia disagrees about the fuel issue as they say that the spray pattern of the injectors have been altered to accommodate Euro 2 petrol compared to Euro 4. As such, any reprogram will change the spray pattern back to original specs meant for Euro 4. As such, the injectors may not last as originally designed with Euro 2 petrol. Therefore, Kleeman will have to come up with a program to emulate the spray patterns of the Malaysian spec injectors. What say you?
Regards,
Pacman88
Paul Tan says:
13/4/2010 at 12:05 am
Fritz, a Mercedes-Benz Malaysia senior manager told me that the 4-potter CGI engine’s lean burn mode has been disabled in our Malaysian cars, thus the direct injection only runs in homogeneous mode, no lean burn air-fuel ratio.
Will the ECU upgrade affect this specific local market change?
Hi Paul,
I know who you spoke to. Can you ask him to solve the navigation maps issue on the W212? They are woefully out of date and there is no update available! How can?
Hi
here a bit of elaborate information on the 2 previous postings.
Paul is right if he says that the CGI engines are operated in homogenous mode if Euro 2 fuel is used. The reason is that, if the engine is used in lean mode, the Euro 2 fuel would produce a high amount of particular matter in comparison to Euro 4 fuel. All the VAG Group TSI and TSFI engines in general also run in homogeneous mode even with Euro 4 fuel. The difference for the CGI engines is, that the fuel consumption and emissions are lower if they can be operated with Euro 4 fuel.
The CGI engines are operated in 3 different stecheometric modes even when Euro 4 fuel is used. To make it easier, the below information is from a technical journal:
The CGI engine management system continually chooses among three combustion modes: ultra lean burn, stoichiometric, and full power output. Each mode is characterized by the air-fuel ratio. The stoichiometric air-fuel ratio for petrol (gasoline) is 14.7:1 by weight, but ultra lean mode can involve ratios as high as 65:1 (or even higher in some engines, for very limited periods). These mixtures are much leaner than in a conventional engine and reduce fuel consumption considerably.
Ultra lean burn mode is used for light-load running conditions, at constant or reducing road speeds, where no acceleration is required. The fuel is not injected at the intake stroke but rather at the latter stages of the compression stroke, so that the small amount of air-fuel mixture is optimally placed near the spark plug. This stratified charge is surrounded mostly by air which keeps the fuel and the flame away from the cylinder walls for lowest emissions and heat losses. The combustion takes place in a toroidal (donut-shaped) cavity on the piston’s surface.[citation needed] This technique enables the use of ultra-lean mixtures impossible with carburetors or conventional fuel injection.
Stoichiometric mode is used for moderate load conditions. Fuel is injected during the intake stroke, creating a homogenous fuel-air mixture in the cylinder. From the stoichiometric ratio, an optimum burn results in a clean exhaust emission, further cleaned by the catalytic converter.
Full power mode is used for rapid acceleration and heavy loads (as when climbing a hill). The air-fuel mixture is homogenous and the ratio is slightly richer than stoichiometric, which helps prevent knock (pinging). The fuel is injected during the intake stroke.
As you can see in order to get the power, the engine is operated in homogenous mode anyway. Thus it does not make a difference if you use Euro 2 or 4 fuel. May earlier comment on the fuel was meant in regards to pinking and knocking problems, which the engine managment takes care of.
You can also see that there is no difference for the injector nozzles.
In reagards to Kleemann and other tuners; I asume they will operate the engine only in homgenous mode with a slight rich mixture, but only under full power demand. I keep you posted as soon as I get more information.
I hope the above clarified your queries.
Fritz
Thanks for the participation Fritz, this is all great information for those who are in the dark about tuning their Mercedes cars.
Thanks Fritz
Please see if you can come up with a power upgrade for the E200 CGI. The E250 ECU etc cannot be used as they are all “married” to each other and would entail enormous expense. I’m looking for around 220hp (from 184) and 330Nm of torque (from 270).
Regards,
Pacman88
OK, as soon as I get anything on the CGI engines I will let you know.
Fritz
Hi Paul and Fritz,
With regards to power output, will a K2 C200K (W204) be faster and more powerful than a remapped ECU and possibly intake/exhaust modded C250 CGI? Currently pondering on the idea of tradding in the C200K for a new C250 CGI :D Also with the C200K, I’m thinking of pairing up the Kleeman K2 mods with Carlsson’s mods (special water pump wheel, vibration damper, and air filter). Hopefully power outputs will be around 250 bhp and 355 Nm torque. On a different note, any thoughts on the snow performance boost coolers? I’m hoping to achieve roughly 300 hp at the crank on the C200K (taking into consideration changing to performance engine oil, fuel – Shell V-power, coolants, etc). Do you guys think it’s possible to achieve that figure or to go even higher without trashing the car? I’m open to any ideas :D
Thanks for your time.
Hi Jason,
The boost kit (K1) for the M271 engine from Kleemann includes the water pump pulley, crankshaft pulley and high air flow filter from K&N. K2 is the header kit, this means K2 = K1+header kit.
A modified C250CGI might be slightly more powerful than the C200K, but not by much. That is my guess. I think your expected power will not be achieveable without further drastic modification to the engine. This would be very costly and I would not recommend to do it. Your expected power per 1000cc is 166HP, which is extremely high for a normal production engine. For example, the Ferrari F430 has only! 114 HP/1000cc!
Regards
Fritz
Dear Fritz,
Thanks for your reply. With that said, are you suggesting that the mods from Carlsson is pointless as it will be replaced by Kleeman’s K2 mods? So the power output will max out at 230bhp and 310Nm? Is that the best the C200K can offer?
Regards,
Jason
The Carlsson parts, which you mentioned are already part of the Kleemann K1 kit.
Yes, I see the 230HP as maximum, without investing a big sum for an extensive engine modification. Some none professional tuners might offer more, but I am sure the driveability will suffer together with the durability of the engine
Regards
Fritz
I see, thank you so much for your time Fritz!
Regards,
Jason
Fritz,
Do you have any performance kit for my SLK 200 K R171. How much will that cost me. TQ
Dear Azlan,
Yes, we do have the boost kit for your SLK available. It cost RM 7500 at the current exchange rate, “all inclusive” (freight, sales tax, import duty and labor). You can contact me directly under my e-mail address. Tq
Dear Fritz
Please don’t forget my E200 CGI Kleeman upgrade. Surely, they must have it by now. You have my number.
Fritz, I have a 2009 E280 with the AMG Sports Kit. Current HP is about 240. I like to get the HP and acceleration up. Any suggestions?
Hi,
I assume it is the E280, W211, with M272 engine. The engine has 228HP. Kleemann has 3 upgrade kits
1. ECU power kit (ECU upgrade+K&N high air flow filters)
2. Exhaust headers
3. Super sport camshafts.
Please send me an e-mail or visit us in our service centre. Then we can discuss your requirements more detailed.
Thanks.
Fritz
Hi Fritz,
Do you have upgrade kits for w211 e240 (year 2004)? If you have, what are the prices like and what kinds power/torque increment that can be expected?
Thanks.
allwheels 67
Dear allwheels,
For this Model Kleemann has follwing options:
1. ECU upgrade (around +8% power and torque)
2. Headers set (around +12HP)
3. Super sport camsgafts (around +10 to 15HP peak power).
4. Kleemann Kompressor system. Most effective but also most costly option. Kleemann has only 2 system sets left.
The best would be if you visited us to find out your exact requirements. In this way a can advise you in your best interest. You can contact me directly through my e-mail address.
Fritz
Thanks Fritz, Will do.
How much extra HP and Torque for C200K (2003 model, Japan Spec.) ECU tuning ?
What items need to be changed/installed for the upgrde ?
How’s that impact on the fuel consumption or stress on the engine ?
How much it cost and how long it’s takes to install it ?
Apprecite you input….
Dear Arbita,
The 2003 model has 163 stock HP. You will get +37HP and +60 Nm.
Depending on the ECU version installed we can install either the K-Box kit or the boost kit.
The kits comprises of pulley kit, V-belt, high air flow filter and either K-box or ECU software upgrade.
Under normal driving condition the fuel consumption remains the same, unless you use the additional HP available, which would require more fuel (law of physics).
The installation takes only a few hours. There is only a time delay for us to get the software back from Kleemann, since the time difference to Europe is 6 hours. The cost is RM 7500 at the current exchange rate.
The best would be if you visited us to find out your exact requirements. I also have to see which ECU version is installed. In this way a can advise you in your best interest. You can contact me directly through my e-mail address.
Fritz
Dear All,
Kleemann has now a CGI performance kit, initially for the 250CGI. The one for the 180CGI and 200CGI will follow soon.
The performance values for the 250CGI are:
From 204 to 255-260 HP and from 310 to 357 – 360 NM
German Motors has currently 3 kits in stock, which we sell for a very attractive discounted price. For inquiry just send us an e-mail.
Fritz
Amazing stuff Fritz! Any feedback from the customers?
Don’t mind me asking as well, but what exactly are the kits? Intake/Exhaust mods? ECU tuning? Performance air filters?
Dear Jason,
1. To be honest (as always), we did not install any kit yet, since those cars are still under warranty. So we target currently the parallel imported CGI’s.
2. It is a device, which is pluged in between the ECU and boost pressure sensor, camshaft sensor and throttle value sensor. No changes on ECU and headers required.
Regards
Fritz
Thanks for your quick reply Fritz,
So, it’s a piggy back ECU device or something similar to that am I right? Is Kleemann planning any upgrades of the headers and exhaust systems? The C250 CGI/E250 CGI coupe’s single oval tailpipe is a let down, in terms of style. Does Kleemann stock some form of tailpipe that’s similar to that of the E350 CGI, i.e. twin tail pipes?
Thanks for your time.
Yes, it is a piggy pack. Currently Kleemann does not have accessories for the W204 and W212.
Regarding exhaust system, a German Company has beautiful 4 endpipe rear mufflers also for the W204, sedan. We have information and accessories catalogue at our service centre. We have installed already two on SLK. If you are interested just pass by and we can discuss your requirements. It is easier for me if we communicate by e-mail. Thank you.
Fritz
Bro,
Im interested with your W212 e250 kit, what is the cost? Do i need to change the air filter and the exhaust system to fully accomodate the upgrade?
The kit cost as introductory offer RM 6400, all inclusive. No other modifcation required.
Hi, Fritz
I using C180k w204 model interesting the Kleemann upgrade kit, can give any advice …..pricing, hp?
Dear Alex,
With the Kleemann boost kit the engine will have 210HP. The header with downpipe and sports cat will bring another 12-15HP. You will be definitely satisfied with the boost kit. Just send me your tel. number, I will contact you and explain all details and price to you.
In case you are looking only for better engine and gear box response we do have a very effective power throttle device in stock. This is plug and play, which you could try on the spot.
Best regards
Fritz
Hi, Fritz
This is my email [email protected] can u give me k-box price n what is a new product to introduce me ……..thanks
Current I’m using benz 2004 c230k 1.8cc with 190hp. May I know the hp my car can get by complete upgrade (including exhaust system) and the price? And if without exhaust system how much hp I can get and may I know the price?
Thanks.
Regards,
AZME
Dear Azme,
Sorry for the late reply, but I am not always on the forum. Please send me your e-mail address; I will send you all information. My address is [email protected]
Best regards
Fritz
Did you do a tuning box for a 320 CDI? What happened?
Dear Mamza,
Yes, we did. What we you mean by “what happened”? Do you mean if the desired power increase was achieved? Yes, that was the case.
Dear Mamzah,
Yes, we did. What do you mean “what happened”? Do you want to know if the desired power increase was achieved? Yes, it was.
Best regards
Fritz
Hi Fritz,
Im getting my c180k w204 next week. i would like to know what is hp and torque can be achieved? What is the price of this tuning? Last but not least, does this tuning will effect the engine on the long run?
thanx in advance.
Cheers
Norhasli
Hi Fritz,
I will get my E200 W212 within next week and still looking around good option to up power the engine. Do you already have kit for CGI ready? Will this void the manufacturer warranty?
hi Fritz
do u have k-box kit for a c180 kompressor (w204) 1.6L M271 engine?
Dear German Motors… I saw one of the question with regards to upgrading SLK 200 R171 2006 and your answer was 7500Rm. What will be the difference in HP? And how. Long ots takes for you to Upgrade ? Please call me at 0163911918. Thank you
Dear Mr Fritz,
I’m planning to get W210 E280 w112 engine 01′ model. Does kleemen offer upgrades for this particular model?
Paul can brabus k4 or kleeman kits be shipped to the philippines from malaysia and can these parts be installed by my benz mechanic?