Proton Chancellor 2.0 V6
Proton has announced the availability of the Proton Chancellor beginning 15th December 2005. It will debut during the ASEAN Summit from 12-14 December. What is the Proton Chancellor? It’s basically a Proton Waja chassis with a 2.0 V6 engine from the Mitsubishi Eterna/Proton Perdana.
Proton officials say that the Chancellor had been redeveloped and not merely a stretched model like the Proton Perdana Executive. It has a 2850mm long wheelbase, compared to the Waja wheelbase which is 2600mm.
The Proton Chancellor is expected to be sold at a higher price than the current Proton Perdana and will feature luxurious trim such as DVD players. The Chancellor’s target market are high-ranking Government officers, corporate heads and senior executives.
November 22, 2005 @ 9:52 am
yo….!! who gonna buy the weird design…?? Funny..!!
November 22, 2005 @ 9:56 am
Yeeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhh…. I’m so SUUUUUURE high-ranking Government officers, corporate heads and senior executives will give up their Beemers and Mercs to be driven around in this. Heck, they couldn’t even get the Airport Limo people to use Perdanas for their luxury limos!
Nevertheless, we will see what the car looks like. More importantly, what it performs like. Hopefully, it will be good i.e. at least semi luxury classed. I still harbour some hope for Proton…
November 22, 2005 @ 9:56 am
it’ll look much better with a stylish rim…..
Proton mah…..what do you expect???
November 22, 2005 @ 9:57 am
cool… how sure are we when they say it’s redeveoped?
November 22, 2005 @ 9:59 am
Just when you thought Proton was moving forward……sigh!
November 22, 2005 @ 10:01 am
wish thy had it as a std waja with perdana v6 n manual gearbox! wd be great! i bet its all leather al around n probably double sound proofed…looks very chunky though….dont mind to be given one! btw paul , is thr any news or rumours abt a new perdana rather than a passat or skoda badged perdana??im surprised that thy didnt start developing one wen thy started the gen2…bcos it gives the highest margin to proton per car sold …
November 22, 2005 @ 10:04 am
Did they said “The Chancellor’s target market are high-ranking Government officers, corporate heads and senior executives.”???
Who wouldve wanted such a bull shit ‘redeveloped’. I like Gen 2 better.
November 22, 2005 @ 10:05 am
close shop better. Not creative at all.
After all the same old design. What Proton savings money on R & D is it ?
Look at the city & civic (upcoming) with the latest 2006 Accord (upcoming) superb. Hands off to them.
Give up on National cars.
RM 60K+ (better go for used japanese cars)………..reliable & biuld quality excellent.
Very bad design…always dissapointment….what else ?
Think before you invest…the resale value is surely a bom!
November 22, 2005 @ 10:05 am
Its luxurious trim includes leather all around, dashboard, seats, door panels, centre consols, parcel shelfs. The works. The engine is derived from perdana.
The grapevine said that the difference from a perdana stretch and this one is that they don’t just cut the chassis and weld on the extension, but a complete redevelop chassis. So we, might espect a complete package of good handling. Anyway, this is not the first waja to receive this treatment. Check out a report done by Mel Lee in Car.My Mag last year. A waja done for the Former PM and the car later on used by the former CEO of proton. It is about the same.
Anyway, the grapevine also says most of the trim inside are done by a completely different vendors than the normal ones. so see how lar.
IMHO, I want one. Very spacious in the back. Oh yeah, I think theres a docking station for a notebook at the back of both front seats.
my 3 cents worth.
November 22, 2005 @ 10:08 am
hi,
i am thinking of getting a perdana. i saw from an article 96-98 perdana is a good buy, i mean if the condition is ok. is it true? cos of the engine/trans? if i buy a 2-3 year old perdana , is it a good buy? or i should buy a new one, or mebe not buy perdana at all? but so far my frens driving perdana say it’s ok, can someone comment on the engine, trans, the car itself, spare parts and reliability?
thanks thanks yah!!
November 22, 2005 @ 10:12 am
is that mean that proton won’t come up with perdana replacement model for another few years from now?
November 22, 2005 @ 10:13 am
High ranking officials? Got bullet-proof glass and independent in-car oxygen supply anot?
“Redeveloped”?
How so? Added DVD players? Anyway, what DVDs are the ASEAN Summit delegates gonna watch? (Or ‘high-ranking’ officials).
It’s the same old design. Instead of calling it Proton Waja Executive, they simply named it Chancellor, simply because it’s a different engine? Oh well.
Malaysia is a damn good advocate to spearhead recycling campaigns.
Kitar lah semula, amalan mulia…
November 22, 2005 @ 10:16 am
**YAWNNNN!!
November 22, 2005 @ 10:17 am
Before buying a perdana….pls make sure of your choice. I have owned a perdana. The maintanence is expensive. To be honest the reliability is ok. I would give a 6/10. The transmission fails if you push the car very hard all the time. But for the value of money it’s the best. Better off buying a new one. You will encounter less problem. But always problems arises as the the car reaches 4 yrs old.
Power…no regrets…you can even take on the latest accord without much problem….though you have only 4 speed auto.
The car looks stylish and to be honest again be careful as the age catches up. It will give problem with the transmission & engine.
Unless you’re the lucky one.
Good luck …..
November 22, 2005 @ 10:29 am
WTF…. its really shocking to see them calling a stretched waja a proton chancellor… its more like Proton Wajaaaed.. and its more shocking to think that proton wants to price it higher than the perdana….
now WTF?… did the replacement of Tengku ‘Leel done in vain… this bunch of new executives haven’t got crap for taste…
the chancellor is crap - and they were doing so well with the Savvy… AMT… i saw the news last night on chancellor.. and i though it was a black waja …..
that does it - the new board of directors and top managemen in Proton - has got to go…. no doubts about it..
Shareholders of proton should demand it… this is the preview of whats to come - the demise of proton due to bad tastes…
November 22, 2005 @ 10:39 am
proton will do better if the concentrate and come out with good performance car rather than ’stretched’ limo.
November 22, 2005 @ 10:43 am
korang sume ni mcm bagos je eikkk…!
November 22, 2005 @ 10:44 am
Anybody has got the pics of this so called “cancellor”? Pls post them here.
November 22, 2005 @ 10:46 am
I think the first customer of this waja Cancelled..lah is PM. Next, All the MP need to buy from POTONG to support KERETA BUATAN MALAYSIA. No MB, BMW …….will be allowed to use by MB soon. I think POTONG will hit the target sales if the G enforce the new LAWs!!!
To other companies boss, it is not forcing to buy from POTONG BUT if you do the G will give you more projects and if not the G will KAKACAUCAU you too. I think only in this way the Waja Cancelledlah will be sold like HOT KARIBAU soon.
YAU MOU GAU…CHOR!!!
November 22, 2005 @ 10:46 am
A nice name wasted on a stupid car.
November 22, 2005 @ 10:50 am
They should name it NonSeller cos I cant see which high-ranking govt official (or any sane human being) would ever want to be caught dead in that ugly piece of junk they term an executive sedan.
November 22, 2005 @ 10:53 am
proton should expand their product lines by giving us more new quality products and not expanding the existing car body and call it a new product!!! what a waste after 20 years effort and million of buyers that have supported proton…
November 22, 2005 @ 11:03 am
uh, enjin still pkai perdana nyer. ni yang buat this car nih kene selar, bkn chancellor.
November 22, 2005 @ 11:07 am
….what the f@@k is wrong the ppl at P1??!!…do they have a market research dept??!!….P1’s days are numbered…sad…20 years of hard work down the drain…
November 22, 2005 @ 11:17 am
cannot judge by only ONE PIC ..
need to see more.. front, top, rear etc.. and the interior too..
no AMT version ah?.
Waja at the first launchin time = everyone said it’s so farking ugly too.. but then.. when some people did modification .. more people say that waja is nice.. and look god damn big and spacios! .. WTH ..
every perception gonna be changed by the time..
Jaguar S-TYPE oso ugly look for me.. but not every people think it’s ugly..
Nevermind.. let see later..
Paul = Do Kanselor oso had : Handling By Lotus?
(it’s a worthy tagline btw.. )
November 22, 2005 @ 11:21 am
This company is dead I presume.. cant design anymore go redeveloped… why not go for ‘Evolution’? Maybe some1 shd sue proton for its ‘daring to change’. Change wht I really doubt… Change in facelift, roll out another batch of P.Saga Special edition1,2,3…etc? Yalor still consider change huh?/
November 22, 2005 @ 11:30 am
The Chancellor’s target market are high-ranking Government officers=Lance Corporal ranking & downline?, corporate heads=kedai runcit Ah Beng owner type? and senior executives=PN4 & P17 executives?
November 22, 2005 @ 11:35 am
how come proton ppl got no brains ar??
how can they waste a good name on the same car wit juz a bit strecth this is totally brainless.
if they really intended to make luxury cars y not make a new design instead of givin a new name wit old stupid ugly model…..=.=
haiz proton really canot improve
November 22, 2005 @ 11:50 am
It suck big time, dont looks good and it will be forever proton no matter how you do it. spare parts will give ways 2 months or maybe 3 ,
you wanna export 100 000 car per year?? at what price? at the expenses of malaysian? we pay more so that you guys in proton can subsidize those export market????????//
November 22, 2005 @ 11:51 am
add a DVD player then consider luxurious???… alamak…
November 22, 2005 @ 11:58 am
aiya…the proton website tak boleh pakai la…nth bout this chancellor also..not even bout savvy AMT..dunno la who is the webmaster…maybe tengku…kena pecat..no more webmaster…hehehehh
November 22, 2005 @ 11:59 am
stupid p1, expensive than perdana…. waja look alike… you think all higher level people are stupid & dunno how to differentiate… chg waja engine to this V6 engine then facelift abit then selling at 70k… guarantee… hot cakes…. i sure support.!!
November 22, 2005 @ 12:11 pm
proved ploton went into wrong track again… I read many blogs here seems like this mitsu_galant_2k, de diehard fan of ploton.. keep up supporting no matter how many bashing p1. Good job..
November 22, 2005 @ 12:15 pm
wat can see….an extended waja…..
should check properly in JPJ/Puspakom….
may b proton giv u kereta pasang…..
November 22, 2005 @ 12:59 pm
another kereta potong ;p
November 22, 2005 @ 1:02 pm
well well… is a good move… slowly widen the gap between all sibling.. as currently all stuck at 1.3 to 1.6…. infact, proton need to place 1 or 2 model in different catagories…… Perdana.. should sit in 3.0 … to give away from waja (is a nice car to drice..) to growth…
good job…
November 22, 2005 @ 1:06 pm
‘Kereta Potong la Wilfred’.
Anyway, if this chancellor fail to attract higher level people, the last resort is to make this car for Government higher officer official car. At the moment they use Perdana V6, and maybe Waja Chancellor can be added as official car for govt. dept. At least Government can buy it without paying a single cents of taxes.
Let see if Waja Chancellor can be associated with the same premium feel of Perdana V6.
November 22, 2005 @ 1:15 pm
“The Chancellor’s target market are high-ranking Government officers, corporate heads and senior executives.”
Yeah rite. They are not that stupid to buy it.
How about low-ranking government officers, corporate office boys & junior clerks?
A streched Savvy?
These group of ignored people shouldnt left behind to enjoy a bit luxury and bling-bling lifestyle.
November 22, 2005 @ 1:29 pm
Actually guys…..it is a brilliant design if it is use for tukun tiruan…..
November 22, 2005 @ 1:32 pm
Aiyoyo KAWAN, POTONG is poor now, Sekarang Manyak Miskin you know, where got money to make new models.
Modify Waja structure is the cheaper way to do lah!! Also, the easy way!!! Don’t Just TEMPAK lah focus your target please!!
YAU MOU GAU….CHOR!!! Who ask you to buy it? It is special edition for The G!!
November 22, 2005 @ 1:52 pm
IT STILL WAJA ONLY. POTONG always POTONG.
November 22, 2005 @ 1:54 pm
Hmmm, wonder what the much publisized Proton R&D and R3 are doing? Its a Waja with a longer chassis!
Another con-job by Proton!
November 22, 2005 @ 1:55 pm
Sigh……another monstrosity on our roads.
November 22, 2005 @ 2:06 pm
proton shouldn’t put anything above its perdana la..perdana should be the top..then only can keep the majestic touch of perdana..i agree tat this chansellor should be named proton waja executive…
November 22, 2005 @ 2:06 pm
STUPID!!! DARN STUPID!!! I really can imagine who’s idea is it to produce this model.
100x more stupid to price it more than the Perdana version.
I think the high rank government officer would rather catch a bus rather than buying this car.
STUPID….really stupid….should change name from PROTON to POTONG and now BODON
November 22, 2005 @ 2:13 pm
if i’m not mistaken.. i already saw this car used by tan sri azmi (EON Head). few month ago.. i went to drb-hicom hq at glemaries and saw this car..
November 22, 2005 @ 2:17 pm
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November 22, 2005 @ 2:30 pm
Another example of how insensitive Proton is towards our average Malaysian…
they dont even care to develop or produce cars that we, their biggest source of possible income, want, but rather to kiss the butt of ppl who are used to drive BMWs, Mercs, Volvos and other luxury brands and wouldnt even care to take a look at Proton’s butt, let alone drive in one…
another launch of a car which is doomed to fail… joining the ranks of Arena and Juara…
November 22, 2005 @ 2:36 pm
This model is developed under Mahaleel regime. It should come out somewhere in September last year, but due to certain ‘reasons’ it was delayed (Its a premature car then, and suddenly they realised that the car chassis need a major modification if they need to mass pro the car after some CAE analysis discover that it torsional strength koyak). After some extensive regime change this year, this car is almost ready. So the new mgmt decide “since we already completed the car, just launch it la… no point simpan pon.. Platform C bukan ada product pon..” so dont blame the new mgmt.. it takes them 2 yrs + to mass pro this car. Few of them are already being used by our PM, some of the other 3rd world country leader and ‘you know who’.. and this stupid project cost Proton more money (But still cannot beat that crossover vehicle…. ) But engineering point of view it is a success (just like arena, good knowledge reap from the project, not rip-off) but comercially this project is in doubt………
November 22, 2005 @ 2:37 pm
i dont really understand what protons motives are for introducing this car. I am not convinced that it will do anything good for proton, but i will wait until i see the car to actually comment on it
November 22, 2005 @ 2:38 pm
heheh…
always compplaint that becoz we rakyat didnt support Proton, so they cant
achieve economies of scales… but look, what kind of crap are they
producing now? for a very small market segment!!! no wonder their launch
always fail to reach sufficient sales…
plus… for the rich, who cares about this chancellor… they’d get a
merc, bmw, volvo or other foreign luxury cars instead… who’d want to
risk their life in a Proton if they can buy better car? i guess the only
ppl who’d buy this car are the ppl who couldn’t afford foreign luxury but
yet wana show off…
well, the only way to be successful in their “target market” for this car
is suggested below:-
corporate leaders - sorry they’d definitely ignore this car, abandon this
target buyers
Gov. dept heads and MPs - abolish their special entitlement of APs and
make it a rule for them to use this car no matter official or not…
the rest ppl who can afford it - not many “water fish” will be stupid
enough to buy it… no matter what luxury items u include into ur car…
they’d rather buy a Perdana v6 considering u’re charging higher price for
the same engine… and knowing the premium price they paid goes to
those “accessories”…
November 22, 2005 @ 2:41 pm
Proton should stop producing stupid product.
November 22, 2005 @ 2:48 pm
way to go potong, two thumbs up, good job, well done,
November 22, 2005 @ 2:48 pm
“…The Chancellor’s target market are high-ranking Government officers, corporate heads and senior executives…”
How many corporate heads and senior execs want to buy a proton? Most corporate heads go for Merc and bmw and volvo. Most senior execs won’t drive cars bigger than their heads, so they go for city/accord/altis/etc.
Govt officers I don’t know lah. If the PM drive perdana then the other will have to go or wira/iswara/savvy.
November 22, 2005 @ 2:59 pm
Proton seems to be a nightmare to almost everyone here…. I do admit that after 20 years, proton’s accomplishment is far behind if compared to others such as korean. I just wanna share with u abt my proton satri 1.3. I bought it in 1998 just after graduate and used it as my daily transportation to office. I travelled est 150km per day. Now after 7 years…. the condition is still good. This car never got me headache. I never even have to repaint and do overhaul. Im not good at the car engine that is why my satria never ever been modified or make-up.
3 year ago my wife bought a Honda (Mpv)… Just after the warranty is over the car gave us trouble. The part are also expensive.
Now Im considering to trade in my satria to a Perdana. But I m deep in a delema when I read all the post here. Should I buy Perdana or not?.
November 22, 2005 @ 3:13 pm
1st i thought proton was stupid…then i got angry at them…now i think they are just a bunch of worthless people making a worthless car, that is worthless to think about !!!…even 1milisecond of ur time…hopelesssssssssssssssssssss!!!
November 22, 2005 @ 3:13 pm
Proton has been looking for Perdana replacement for a while. I think this is a stop gap one as Perdana is very long in the tooth already. Now all govt. heads must only use Perdana for official car so this is a direct replacement. BMW/Merc. is personal one. So how many govt dept head in this country…with 76 minister there are thousands of them.
Curently the dept. are looking for Perdana replacement (buy 1995 - when directive took effect).. so this car come at the right time.
November 22, 2005 @ 3:25 pm
Proton management mess up everything(especially TM),
dun always keep on launch new models,keep on upgrade the current model…
redesign all the models,then kick out which some model which low demand,
improving quality,concern about customer feedback………bla bla bla
grab back the m’sia market at first,now even p2 market is better than p1.
correct me if i’m wrong
November 22, 2005 @ 3:26 pm
Err.. what a design (may I say .. uh.. glee) .. guess people will stick with Perdana if they’ve no choice and need a better car that Proton has to offer.
November 22, 2005 @ 3:36 pm
Why Proton men have to keep reminding us they don’t belong in car manufacturing industries?
November 22, 2005 @ 3:41 pm
Eh I’m so confuse la. Why Proton didn’t bother to make a facelif on Waja? It’s an old car for GOD SAKE!! If given a facelift it would make a little difference at least. Like the new Honda City.
Doesn’t matter what they wanna call it, re-develop ka, new feature ka, but PLEASE pretty PLEASE give it a new look. A FRESHER look. And I don’t wanna hear about the cost of developing a new mould crap! Fark it! If you wants to improve, you just improve! Haiyya! Marketing people! Pegi balik sekolah la!
November 22, 2005 @ 3:45 pm
this will be the “bye-bye” car before VW takeover Proton.
btw,im sure after this the Gomen will replace all JUSA Perdana with this new Cancellok, be’coz one of my auntie just received her JUSA Perdana(one one,not Alfadana) & she told me that she will received new car in 2months.
so,after this Proton sales up again!!! another “sandiwara” drama.
November 22, 2005 @ 3:50 pm
whats the deal with the “executive” rear seats with more leg room? Reminisence (NO SPELL CHECKER) of the Saga executive…..hmmmm
more room at the back for “some lovin??”
Quality is paramount. We’ll have to wait and see how they would deal with the quality of an “exec” car. Cant have the windows not worh eh?
Taste of the pudding is in the eating!
monkey
November 22, 2005 @ 3:58 pm
Plain stupid ok?
The Waja was never , NEVER a classy design. Some people said the Accord wasn’t the choice of Senior Exec’s because it don’t have the ‘Boss’ look. What about this?
It’s what people would call, RUBBISH. And don’t argue about the interior, the exterior is already a killer. You’ll get a heart attack when you see it. Oh my god, what a stupid move, ‘Extend’ a car? Tell me any other car manufacturer that frequently does facelifts and ‘extensions’ for their cars?
Proton, scrap the idea and concentrate on 1.6’s. You’re doomed.
November 22, 2005 @ 4:29 pm
Actually I wouldn’t mind getting the waja v6, minus the stretched body..lol~
I’m sure waja modifiers out there would like that haha
November 22, 2005 @ 4:32 pm
By the way, I don’t think there will be a replacement model for perdana. If the perdana was based on eterna, what car will p1 based on for the new perdana replacement? mind tho no more ties with mitsubishi anymore haha let’s predict and see what happens..
November 22, 2005 @ 5:03 pm
Del Piero,
After reading all this, you still need to ask? No, seriously. You still need to ask?
November 22, 2005 @ 5:13 pm
I think, on average, malaysians prefer ’sporty-looking’ cars rather than classy and pure performance (no doubt these 2 factors also influence buying decision). Give Mr. A a kancil, he’ll modify, change the colour/ rims, put a spoiler and make it looks better. Give him a Datsun, he’ll make this car looks even better. BUT to extend the Waja???, Proton must be joking!
No point of telling people that this car has got everything from a CD player, safety features, bla-bla-bla and what not, when you only just extend a car! Any Pak Mat workshop can do this..
First the Savvy, now the “cancel lor”. What’s goin on in R&D and Design Div of proton???
November 22, 2005 @ 5:23 pm
this car must be in the running for the “most dumbest marketing autumotive award” of 2005…a potong that is MORE EXPENSIVE THAN A PERDANA? with old body structure? at a price of a honda accord or toyota camry? Hahahahahahahahah these bloody potong people is ruining potong, much like some small kids who dont know anything but want to play and experiment, AT THE EXPENSE OF THE RAKYAT’s money…this will ne another malaysia boleh mega project that is ging down, wasting billions of taxpayers money just to boast soembody’s ego and make a few cornies filthy rich
November 22, 2005 @ 5:25 pm
Cancel lor …… hehehe sound very funny.. Ten sen lor
November 22, 2005 @ 5:32 pm
very important questions:
1) does it come with SRS airbags?
2) does it come with side impact protection?
3) does it come with whiplash protection?
4) does it come with GCON-type passenger protection technology?
5) does it meet EURO-NCAP safety regulations?
6) does it come with ABS?
7) does it come with EBD?
—> if NOT how to classify as LUXURY car??????
November 22, 2005 @ 5:37 pm
Hehe… i tot the ‘chichislor’ is the nu model.. it surprised me when i see that car was a Wadja… pity on plotong… old model, with nu management, how come? Try to fool the people again..huhu..nice try.
November 22, 2005 @ 5:37 pm
[...] When speculation is rife that Perodua MD Tuan Syed Zainal Abidin Syed Mohamed Tahir will head the ailing Proton, new Proton Chancellor 2.0 V6 has been announced for its availability, starting from Dec 15. [...]
November 22, 2005 @ 5:44 pm
I still think Proton should come out with a totally brand new model for the Chancellor. If it is a new long wheel base platform, why don’t they develop a whole new design instead of recycling the old Waja bodyshell? Is this the same platform that they make the prototype MPV on?
If they wanna replace Perdana they should’ve come out with totally new design like Gen2 and Savvy. A Waja? (Tepuk dahi!)
Waja aka Chancellor? Aiyyoh….this is really ridiculous.
November 22, 2005 @ 5:44 pm
The chancellor should be called waaja exec. Chancellor may sound stylish in English but in mandarin it sound like “Chan Died already” or in Cantonese sounds like “cham sei loh” - died tragically. Not a good name for a car, IMHO.
November 22, 2005 @ 5:50 pm
I don’t know about this but I have this feelings that some people ‘inside’ Proton are trying to tarnish Proton records and Tun Mahathir’s as a whole. They know this is suicidal but as long as they get more people to bash on Proton and Tun, they’ll feel much better.
Too much political affair at stake. I’m suicidal now. Heh! Peace.
November 22, 2005 @ 5:54 pm
Proton will never respect us malaysians….!!!!!!!!!!
Look at the crap they just gave us……….
Cmon…………..
They shoud just shut down and redo this national car policy!!!!!!!
HAVE RESPECT FOR US MALAYSIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!
or close down
November 22, 2005 @ 6:05 pm
yes! yes! yes! this is good.Now all We got to do is wait for a blow up Savvy and then they can put in the 1.3 campro.amcam?
November 22, 2005 @ 6:09 pm
nice.
> re-developed.
> dvd player
and? dare to change? heh…
how long more are we going to suffer?
when the brand is 5 years old, complaints, takpe, still new, give chance.
when 10 years old, complaints, takpe, relatively new, give chance.
when 15 years old, complaints, takpe?, new?, give chance la… takpe la…
now 20 years old, more complaints, still give chance? still got hope?
Pity those gomen evecutives, have to giveup imported executive cars for this…
November 22, 2005 @ 6:10 pm
Unacceptable price tag!
Sure no one would be that stupid to get this kind of car, except forced by some parties…
November 22, 2005 @ 6:16 pm
eh… interesting move… but for govt? y can’t POTONG try to lower the price to target bigger market for local consumer like us?
how many car can govt’s purchase? what the hell they thinking?
the car may be great, but POTONG business concept is weird somehow… sigh…
change a bit ma…
cheers…
November 22, 2005 @ 6:17 pm
er……..remind everyone who is going 2 write after me, call them to refer to this post of mine. Ok, so here goes, I had read abt many critics abt proton. I have one idea, y dun someone write some harsh words abt proton n publish it in newspaper or send email straight to Proton(2nd choice). Coz complaining abt proton here won’t change anything i suppose.
How is the idea?
November 22, 2005 @ 6:18 pm
[...] When speculation is rife that Perodua MD Tuan Syed Zainal Abidin Syed Mohamed Tahir will head the ailing Proton, new Proton Chancellor 2.0 V6 has been announced for its availability, starting from Dec 15. [...]
November 22, 2005 @ 6:23 pm
What a joke…that car sure look luxurious…..
I think what proton should do is…come out with a few designs n open to public to vote for it, since they are too stupid to choose a good design.
That way…even if all designs look like sh*t, at least the public as a whole can make sure it’s a better looking piece of shi*t than what they’ll choose eventually.
November 22, 2005 @ 6:30 pm
I’ve got to agree with most of the comments, overall not impressed with thi ‘new’ car etc…
But if this is true,
Sekot said,
November 22, 2005 @ 2:36 pm
This model is developed under Mahaleel regime. It should come out somewhere in September last year, but due to certain ‘reasons’ it was delayed (Its a premature car then, and suddenly they realised that the car chassis need a major modification if they need to mass pro the car after some CAE analysis discover that it torsional strength koyak). After some extensive regime change this year, this car is almost ready. So the new mgmt decide “since we already completed the car, just launch it la… no point simpan pon.. Platform C bukan ada product pon..†so dont blame the new mgmt.. it takes them 2 yrs + to mass pro this car. Few of them are already being used by our PM, some of the other 3rd world country leader and ‘you know who’.. and this stupid project cost Proton more money (But still cannot beat that crossover vehicle…. ) But engineering point of view it is a success (just like arena, good knowledge reap from the project, not rip-off) but comercially this project is in doubt………
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then I guess it does make sense to launch the car since it’s already there…might as well make some money out of it. But I have to say, the downside is that people would hate Proton even more! heheh
Why didn’t they come out with a normal Waja with the V6 engine…should be more impressive and more people would buy it…it definitely won’t harm Proton’s credibility.
November 22, 2005 @ 6:35 pm
is my post above too harsh? if so, sorry ah everyone!
November 22, 2005 @ 6:39 pm
Initial D said,
November 22, 2005 @ 6:17 pm
er……..remind everyone who is going 2 write after me, call them to refer to this post of mine. Ok, so here goes, I had read abt many critics abt proton. I have one idea, y dun someone write some harsh words abt proton n publish it in newspaper or send email straight to Proton(2nd choice). Coz complaining abt proton here won’t change anything i suppose.
How is the idea?
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You can write all you want to the editors, but at the end of the day if any politician says don’t publish it, then it won’t get published. No transparency man in Malaysia. I think it would be better to comment in sites like this. I have a sneaky feeling that the Proton mgmt are aware of this site and others like this one, and probably one or two of them are actually monitoring the comments hehe I really hope they do, it shows how people actually think about Proton. But that also shows how important it is for the commentors to not talk from their arses, and give comments based on facts and with an open mind.Then, if the mgmt of Proton are monitoring these sites, they can’t argue with what the people think, because it’s based on facts, and not speculation and assumptions. That’s what I think anyway.
November 22, 2005 @ 6:50 pm
The Waja v6 kinda reminds me of the stretched Saga that sometimes on rare occasions we will see on the roads. Perhaps the stretched Waja will share the same fate as the stretched Saga … will history repeats itself again?
November 22, 2005 @ 7:08 pm
Chancellor? tiuuu lidat better Cancel lor
November 22, 2005 @ 7:14 pm
firstly.. WTF is with all the perverted Bahasa Malaysia i am seeing nowadays? Are these people too shy or too damn low IQ to use the proper Malaysian Language? Buggers, better IMPROVE with life and type a proper language.. I cannot bloody understand a shit of what these bloody bahasa pasar shit is!! Bloody memalukan the Malaysian Language only.. Stupid FUCKS!
about the car:
Why is proton doing this? Is it necessary to have a stretched waja? Maybeonly for a small market… isn’t the perdana good enough and fulfills the same duty as the the chancellor? Haiya.. the r&d spent on this car may have been unnecessary.
November 22, 2005 @ 7:22 pm
myvi much more better hahaha
November 22, 2005 @ 7:23 pm
i think the G should read this blog. or maybe proton people. then only they will know what THE RAKYAT want and NOT what the f**k they themselves WANT. proton chancellor…..what a bad taste. nothing to be proud off………….unless it is cheap la.
November 22, 2005 @ 7:24 pm
zongtwi, of course you know its true.. org lotus tak tgk pon GXS nih.. boss tukar baper kali.. but for me, erk… cannot sell, product planning pon tau, what to do.. boss suruh maa.. baper ramai berhenti..tukar direction lagi… aiyooo.. low volume tuh, tapi at least kerja yang dah siap keluar je la, buat habuk je kat prototype tuh.. takkan nak jadi PVM lagi..
November 22, 2005 @ 7:26 pm
the more you stretched the car, the easier it is going to break…
i wonder they did all the testing impact and recalculated it or not…. the car seriously need to be strengthen on the chassis……else..haih
November 22, 2005 @ 8:23 pm
Confirmed. Proton has the worst marketing and business/financial planning dept. For Proton to survive they need to have a mass market car. Targeting niche market is not going to help. Doesnt the marketing dept know this? Didnt the financial planning dept do any simulation to determine demand, profit over cost analysis etc before they launch a new car? If they indeed have the slightest idea, then what are they doing about it? Are the top management ignoring these facts? Somebody, pls take the Proton Juara/Jumback/Cancel lor and run over them. Pls.
November 22, 2005 @ 8:37 pm
the name changgih… but actually only a stretched Waja, which is a midsize sedan. not a highend car. some more, the interior better quality than normal Protons. price also dun dare to say. so much for supporting national cars.
Sure they will use for airport Limo after this la.
November 22, 2005 @ 9:13 pm
werid, no, they dont come with all those latest technologies..but they do come with:
ASS (Another Senseless Shit)
SHIT (SoHaI Technology)
November 22, 2005 @ 9:15 pm
stretch the wheelbase and “voila!!” a new car/name? thisd is bullshit…just like potong saga chg to potong iswara but same car with minor facelift…this is going to be a massive failure
November 22, 2005 @ 9:36 pm
This is proton’s trends. reuse the old models and giving new names. that’s why there will nvr be improvement and at the same itme asking for government to support them so that they won’t beg at the street for rice one day if proton bankrupt becoz of lack of competancy. Really wish see proton bankrupt or taken over by anyone but not Malay or the F**king useless Malaysia government
November 22, 2005 @ 9:42 pm
more expensive than perdana ….. means this car wanna be priced to compete against the new Camry , Accord and Cefiro kah ?
Goverment Top ranking ppl so “PANDAI”‘ka ? willing to spend so “LITTLE” moeny to buy such a “GOOD” car ??
November 22, 2005 @ 9:45 pm
for me , haha . just another “high classer” proton .
yupp , that’s all .
November 22, 2005 @ 9:55 pm
Guess what? I ‘test driven’ it when I was at their paint shop last week. My brother’s Waja was transplanted with a 2.0 V6 from the FTO. It feels smoother though, prolly because of the tiptronic.
It all started with a change of alloys to 16 inches. It was ‘underpowered’ to move the wheels. Then the whole transplant cost him about 13k. Up to today, we still joke about his 13k alloys.
November 22, 2005 @ 10:31 pm
PI MAI PI MAI TANG TU JUGA….
KAMJAT SIRU MANGKUK HAYUN
November 22, 2005 @ 10:38 pm
heh….canggih than my audi in THE TRANSPORTER 2 ???
then i decided to use it in my THE TRANSPORTER 3 movie….heheheh….
November 22, 2005 @ 10:41 pm
PLEASE DON’T CRITICISE TOO MUCH! THIS CAR WAS NOT MEANT FOR ALL OF YOU COMMENTING HERE. IT WAS MADE FOR THE GOVERNMENT OFFICERS. FOR ALL WE KNOW THEY MAY LIKE IT (OR ELSE THEY WILL BE FORCED TO BUY IT). SO EITHER WAY PROTON WINS.
November 22, 2005 @ 10:41 pm
terenceloh: doesn’t the FTO V6 have MIVEC? around 200hp right? i doubt this one has MIVEC. should be the 150hp one.
November 22, 2005 @ 10:44 pm
xweird said,
November 22, 2005 @ 5:32 pm
very important questions:
1) does it come with SRS airbags?
2) does it come with side impact protection?
3) does it come with whiplash protection?
4) does it come with GCON-type passenger protection technology?
5) does it meet EURO-NCAP safety regulations?
6) does it come with ABS?
7) does it come with EBD?
—> if NOT how to classify as LUXURY car??????
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that’s the Perdana my man!!! u’re right on spot!!!
November 22, 2005 @ 10:45 pm
heeeeeeeeeeeeeheeeeeeeeeeeeeeheeeeeeeeeeee
the proton first car (saga) had the stretch version too…..
nowadays all dissapear already….. do all being as the antik ride for high-ranking Government officers, corporate heads and senior executives ??
yeah…. good choice…..
November 22, 2005 @ 10:50 pm
i’m not the goverment officer so cannot own this car for my THE TRANSPORTER 3 movie already…. pity me…..
November 22, 2005 @ 10:56 pm
Q: Where in the world do people proudly call a compact car (like Wira) a limousine?
A: In the same country where people stretch another old compact car (like Waja) by a few cm and call it a brand new luxury car.
Anyone wanna bet how many ‘Chancellors’ they can sell overseas? Wait, maybe they ain’t selling it overseas, that’s why the target is governemnt officers?
Next stop, how about a 4-seater stretch kap chai for the ultimate in motorbiking. With DVD and leather trim. Now that would be a head turner.
November 22, 2005 @ 10:58 pm
Proton has announced the availability of the Proton Gen3 beginning 15th December 2006. What is the Proton Gen3? It’s basically a Proton Gen2 chassis with a CAMPRO 2.0 V6 engine from the LOTUS & PROTON R&D.
November 22, 2005 @ 11:02 pm
hey…… this is the style of PROTON maaa….
from saga, iswara, wira, perdana stretch version. now to waja turns, then gen2 stretch version…. wow….. campro V6 engine…. changgih !!!!!!!!!!
malaysia boleh….
November 22, 2005 @ 11:20 pm
THIS piece of crap is going to be more expensive than the perdana? ohh man
the only reason they priced it so high is probably no one is going to buy this shit on wheels. Those on the road are prbably given away by Proton anyways (heh, big execs)
judging from the picture & pauls post :
1. looks like waja
2.twice the price of waja
3. ++bells and whistles that even execs wont need
4. …which is also not sufficient to justify the price hike
5. did i mention the price?
i appreciate Protons attempt to innovate their exec car class, but if any of the information is true (most likely 99%) they have just failed miserably. i agree with SEE FU (LOOK I SPELLED THAT IN CAPS; CAPS IS CRUISE CONROL FOR COOL ^^ ) that it is just not on par with other models on the market. If i am not mistaken i saw a new Hyundai exec car on the road today (not sure whats its called, but it looks like a mercedes) and at least Protons gotta beat that….
this product is not for the masses (us) so its ok. Proton did reasonably well with the Perdana. Now the chancellor is just a rebadged Waja like how the wira is to the lancer. man what the fork? Are we rebadging our own stuff? goddamn not to mention waja is around for quite a long time, how hard is it to come up with a brand new design? surely the money u siphoned from malaysians over the course of 20 years can be put to use…
im not paying 100K++ for DVD players and leather seats and gangbang room. im sure most of you wont too (unless you happen to be a pimp). ill stick with second hand camrys/accords or even the perdana.
forking proton keeps making fools out of themselves when i think they started to grow up
November 22, 2005 @ 11:31 pm
HUWAHHH…… once again HUWAHHHHHHH!…………
very dasat la .. put DVD player can consider very new already lar? ah? tell us lar POTONG people! c’mon !
If we put at normal accsoriess shop I think it cost under RM 1000 (is the cheapest 1 I think) we can also put console game .
just because you put 1 new item then you call a new 1 ar? that not call new, that called ‘by pass’ or ‘transplant’
November 22, 2005 @ 11:32 pm
Last time Saga, ppls buy,
Last time Wira,ppls buy,
Last time Perdana, ppls buy,
Last time Gen2, ppls buy,
Last time Savvy, ppls buy,
Now Chancellor…..ppls will buy….
1st kutuk, then own 1 puji bagus2….
*** how many drive S class everyday? if got S class why bother to look at this so called Potong?
November 22, 2005 @ 11:59 pm
Hai2 …. Proton Chancellor???? Protong Cencaluk ada la …
November 22, 2005 @ 11:59 pm
You guys should give Proton a break. If not for the National Car Project 20 years ago, you guys would probably would not be what you are today. It created thousands of jobs and kept the economy going.
If you guys are fortunate enough, have a tour at Proton. Those guys are really qualified engineers and really serious about their work.
I know if the was no Proton, prolly I won’t be doing what I am doing today. More than 50% of cars in Malaysia are Proton.
November 23, 2005 @ 12:02 am
Email me for a test drive of my Bro’s car if u r interested. ‘The WAJA with the 13K alloy wheels’.
November 23, 2005 @ 12:26 am
Initial D & zongtwi a.k.a. speed junkie,
u guys mentioned whether there are p1 ppl here? yep a guy nicked name Amir claimed to be from p1 bahh. He got some comments for the Savvy bodykit blog. Mind you he very protective of p1 haha.
Waja Chancellor Proton
If said quick and cocky enuf..
Would ya cancel ur plotong?
November 23, 2005 @ 2:10 am
[QUOTE=jx]jx said,
November 22, 2005 @ 10:41 pm
PLEASE DON’T CRITICISE TOO MUCH! THIS CAR WAS NOT MEANT FOR ALL OF YOU COMMENTING HERE. IT WAS MADE FOR THE GOVERNMENT OFFICERS. FOR ALL WE KNOW THEY MAY LIKE IT (OR ELSE THEY WILL BE FORCED TO BUY IT). SO EITHER WAY PROTON WINS.
[/QUOTE]
Did you guys know Proton struck a ‘deal’ with the government to switch all those stupid menteri menteri new cars. And since buying all at once will cost alot, so some guy from bolehland suggest government rent the cars from Proton at RM2000 per month. for the next 6-7 years. Who pay? Tax people. Where the money go? not to fix road, schools, library. They go to Proton. And M’sia government is more keen on making roundabout designs nice and lavish; and not libraries.
November 23, 2005 @ 3:26 am
At the end of the day, it’s still a Waja.
November 23, 2005 @ 3:54 am
The std Waja already has superb leg-room for the passengers. I can only imagine the space inside!!
However i hope Proton has improved the aircond distribution for the passengers, especially the rear-left one! Tht’s the favorite seat for any chaufeur-driven ‘high-ranking’ gov officials!
And also hope they’ve toned down the suspensions, soften it as the current Waja settings might be too hard and not comfortable…
November 23, 2005 @ 4:00 am
…im pretty sure if there werent Proton 20 years ago id be DRIVING something else today. it also wouldnt what i do (or my parents before me) because in live in kuching (sarawak) where these proton jobs are relegated to dealer shops and a lacklustre EON service centre (charge forking high, service like crap).
instead these dudes would prolly be selling other cars and working in other service shops
but all is said and done and i beleive proton have to be given its chance to prove itself in the next 2 years.
November 23, 2005 @ 4:01 am
—> also WOULDNT change what i do
damn typo its what happens at 4am and alot of peanut butter
November 23, 2005 @ 4:28 am
Not to be biased towards Proton but if I had to pay more than the current Perdana price, I would buy something else. Targeted towards ministers?? even the ministers don’t roll up to their offices in Wajas or Perdanas apart from the PM as he should represent all things national.
All the other people buy S-Classes or the 7 Series to accomodate themselves. Come on, be realistic. For them to focus on the higher end rather than the medium range means that they are selfish. They cannot even supply what the nation demands. Demands like proper safety, working electronic systems and many other criterias have yet to be addressed.
I’m not saying that they shouldn’t produce this car but at least clean up their trail of messy problems that trail them. Just listen to the public Proton!! I beg of you..They are your lifesource for your income and if you ignore them, they will ignore you as well.
November 23, 2005 @ 5:29 am
Targeted for government official? Who’s the dumbo who suggested this to the G? I went to fetch my friend at one of the Kementerian in Putrajaya and guess what the Timbalan Menteri (from Sarawak) is riding? A black PORSCHE CAYENNE S! Wanna force them to use the Chancellor? Who gives a fork?
I agree with with cbljkkj. If Proton wants to roll out this newly developed platform, fine. But do it properly la. Why are the numbnuts use the outdated Waja’s body? To cut cost? Then it should be cheaper than Perdana. I still think it is the MPV platform that Proton already developed.
And I like what Bob said, “….M’sia government is more keen on making roundabout designs nice and lavish; and not libraries.” No wonder people cheat on their taxes.
Btw, Drive2020, that Proton fella nick is Amin, not Amir. =) Peace!
November 23, 2005 @ 6:12 am
terenceloh:
Not unlike Proton, Perodua has also created thousands of jobs and created a line of cars to be sold under the name of Malaysia. The problem is that “most” people are unsatisfied with the quality of their cars for example; me.
I understand the reason to quit bickering about the national problem which is Proton and let them be. The reason we do not end the dilemma is because if we stop, Proton would never find a reason to improve the quality of their vehicles. We have to apply a certain amount of pressure so they will strive to be best (farfetched but possible).
I want everybody to understand that I’ve had 4 Protons and 1 Perodua and this is based of my experience and not through mindless criticism. All my Protons gave me major problems like power window failure, leaking trunks, electrical failure. paint deterioration, condenser fan failure and many more. The only problem I had with my Perodua was a wire loose powering the clock.
Perodua has accomplished Protons success in half the duration probably with also less expenditure. The satisfaction:complaint ratio should also be far milder. I am not saying it is, but it seems so.
I dare not say how many percent of Protons are on the road but the numbers are big because it is the cheapest. All the other imports are like 300% taxed. If Proton were to swap out their cars for international brands like Honda etc for all their consumers, I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t mind “exchanging” them.
All bashers are free to flame me despite the right to a self opinion
November 23, 2005 @ 6:29 am
Jx, I could not resist replying to you but you stated.
#jx said,
November 22, 2005 @ 10:41 pm
PLEASE DON’T CRITICISE TOO MUCH! THIS CAR WAS NOT MEANT FOR ALL OF YOU COMMENTING HERE. IT WAS MADE FOR THE GOVERNMENT OFFICERS. FOR ALL WE KNOW THEY MAY LIKE IT (OR ELSE THEY WILL BE FORCED TO BUY IT). SO EITHER WAY PROTON WINS.
If this car was not meant to be commented…why are you commenting on this matter which relates to this car to us. It is obvious that you are commenting for the car.
One more thing, it is not “ONLY” for the government officers, as stated above “The Chancellor’s target market are high-ranking Government officers, corporate heads and senior executives.” Which means people other than the government can purchase them. Do your research before crying “Wolf”
Although we are not “Government Officers”, we also have a right to know where all out tax money is going to. And now, we do.
November 23, 2005 @ 8:14 am
What is it about proton that seems to have this morbid obsession about stretching their old cars? I don’t seem to remember having seen a stretched version of the Civic, or Corolla, or Elantra …. well, you get the drift. The life cycle of a car model these days are getting shorter and manufacturers are rolling out new models much faster than before. How is proton able to compete when all they can do is to stretch an old model?
November 23, 2005 @ 8:46 am
Del Piero said,
November 22, 2005 @ 2:59 pm
Why you wanna to buy Perdana?
Because of Performance or due pricing wise? Ask youself first.
As far as I knew POTONG might not had any new model in Perdana range in the next 2 years. Therefore, it’s still okay to buy, don’t worry about resell value lah. Perdana doesn’t cause you trouble on engine because the engine is still MITSUBISHI 4G63 V6 engine. Spare still easily can get from Kedai potong too or go to the Real orginal POTONG center. Honestly, V6 engine maintance will be higher than normal Satria 1.3L engine, due to complex design not because of quality issue.
Again, buying a car is very much depend on your LUCK as I said before in previous BLOG…..forgot already which blog….but I am sure I had said so…….If you buy MB or BMW also, there will be a risk too. I think If you really Like PERDANA go ahead and Don’t look back!! Good luck!! I do support you….only TALKING not money Okay!!
YAU MOU GAU….CHOR!!!
November 23, 2005 @ 8:48 am
Mistake not 4G63 pls ignore this…..
YAU MOU GAU…CHOR!! Where is my Coffee!!! A bit sleepy today!!
November 23, 2005 @ 8:51 am
Wasting time, money, etc.. Instead producing this proton.. whatever you call it, how about producing a wagon version of thier existing models such as waja or wira. For example, combination of wira + arena = wagon. I believe that wagon sales will be high demand for taxi drivers & small business people. So come on Proton, people are all now getting bored with all your products. People have no choice because of Proton.
November 23, 2005 @ 9:12 am
an dinasor car that never facelift”,
and still sell well, and screw buyers!
only in Malaysia: truly OLDasia!
November 23, 2005 @ 9:15 am
pls show us the interior looks…….the front and the back….. thanks
November 23, 2005 @ 9:39 am
aksMs,
the porche is his personal car, govt dept are not allowed to buy other then national car for use (Naza, Perodua, Proton). However personally they can buy what they please Porsche or whatever.
All,
I do feel this is the right move for Proton. Perdana v6/ex is long in the tooth and need a replacement. Moreover, govt. officials will like to be seen in ppl car. Perdana is too dissimilar to Proton line up to be this kind of car. Moreover Perdana do not have that much local content to start with not to mention that its produced in Shah Alam as TM are not suited for this platform.
cbljkkj,
Although I like to be partial in my argument, but to say Perodua with the aging Kancil is somewhat of an achievement is not right. What they are doing right is delivering good service (at much higher price) through Produa service centre and EON/Proton Edar cannot match this.
I just check on Perodua engineering achievement.. they manage to redesign a bumper.
November 23, 2005 @ 9:46 am
HY. To cbljkj..Ur definately right. The fact is P1 have a lack of quality than P2 !Me 2 face the experience with P1 quality..But then when they get this TUV things, i thougt of buying The Savvy. Reading all blog from u all make me to start thinkng maybe latest car from P2 is worth buying it.I wonder if P1 can change my view of the build quality for their cars..
November 23, 2005 @ 9:57 am
DVD players……….luxurious………………….
hei, anyone interesting to get DVD player for your car, i think if we buy together it can be cheaper…….let make our car…………..luxurious…………..
November 23, 2005 @ 10:09 am
i think most of the issues here are not the R&D guys should be blamed on poor design…instead the top mgt forcing them to come up with new “product ” line within in a few months period..just to pretending proton do have new product in-line. Well just a thought..
Anyway…i feel very upset with this re-model waja…extremely upset…i think proton do digging their own grave now…anytime soon..
November 23, 2005 @ 10:42 am
Since not much people read this in the “The Korean Advantage” post. I’d copy it here to share a bit.
First i’ll comment on why people would buy limos. It’s ego, comfort, prestige. Price wont affect them. Such cheapo limos are only good to in serving government Menteri menteris, and i would love to see this Proton Chancellor become the standard KLIA Limo. Wira 2.0 Diesel doesnt hint even a bit in supporting their claim as a limo.
The problems with Proton, is very much the problems with Malaysians (majority)
Malaysians forgive. Why do i said so?
Can i ask, when is the last time any of you guys saw the “Latest ‘limited edition — again’ Proton Iswara/Saga†lodged in the concourse area of shopping malls ? (Or Giant/The Store …)
The problem with Malaysians are, we still buy them, people still open the doors and sit in it!! Anyone havent sat in an Iswara/Saga before, then he must be some high ranked politicians in Malaysia, otherwise, anyone, i can guarantee, everyone would have had sat in it given that tin can was first manufactured 15 years back. (1991).
Let’s go with Proton. The following incidents are all experienced by me whereby my friends who bought Protons.
1. My friend used to have a 1998 Proton Wira 1.5 (M). He trashed it in year 2001 and simply bought a 2002 Proton Wira 1.5 (M). Guess what? The cruise control which is present in his previous Wira was no longer there despite the higher price. Oh ya, so was the First Aid Kit; it ain’t there anymore.
2. Two friends of mine bought 1.3 Satria (M) around the same time, one receive his Satria with Blaupunkt stereo head unit, the other? A head unit clearly stating “Proton Tiara†there, which cannot fit in snugly. Both rear head rests were taken off and told to top up RM500 for