The Australian name for the Proton Saga has been announced – Proton’s smallest sedan will be offered down under as the Proton S16. I assume this is supposed to stand for Saga 1.6, not sure what’s wrong with the Saga name. The S16 will go on sale from the 1st of November for under AU$13,000 with a manual transmission, but Australian dealers will get test drive units in October for anyone who is interested in the car.
Under the hood will be the Campro IAFM engine that powers the Persona here in Malaysia, producing 110 horsepower at 6,500rpm and 148Nm of torque. The car’s fuel consumption is rated at 6.3 litres per 100km on the ADR (Australian Design Rules) combined cycle.
This is unconfirmed but according to some Aussie news sites the Australian spec car is expected to have dual SRS airbags for the front driver and passenger, which means it’ll be one of the highest spec versions of the Saga available so far, as the top of the line Sage in Malaysia thus far has only been available with a driver airbag.
What’s even more interesting for Australian buyers is that the price tag could possibly go even lower with the introduction of a 1.3 litre Campro engine option, which will only be available from February 2010 onwards. It’s not sure if the 1.3 litre car will continue to be called the S16, or receive a more apt name like the S13.
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first!
HUH.elok ka.
good to see S16 doing well thr….
first!
haiz…exported model always get the highest specs version..
proton – LAWYA!!!!!!!!
haha..they got higher and better spec than Malaysia market..
please don't bash Proton if they sell higher spec for the outside market than here..the Australian want that kind of spec.. (^_^)
i saw the Australian mod the arena (Jumbuck) with 17" wheels..look nice..haha..
Sweet 16 or Silly 16 priced at AUD$13000 too high when the lowest Honda Jazz is going for under AUD$15000 No waltzing for this Proton.
haha. like a secret government project. S16-Saga16. 4 ex: 1st thought of Aussie to this car name is,wat?sector 16?? :O
walau, our beloved humble Saga is the mighty giant killing S13 to the Aussies! hahaha!
Good, back for square 1 for our national car maker. Overseas always got higher spec of vehicle then local. Some more with cheaper or same price. Good job proton…
silvia s13? hehe..joking..
just saga be saga lah.
saga h-line?
Outside malaysia, this car got better spec and cheaper.
In Malaysia, this car has lower spec and more expensive.
Yep, this is 1Malaysia concept. Rakyat (Australia) di utamakan. Rakyat Malaysia mati katak….kahakaha
Why oh why or dearly beloved proton gives Aussie or any other export models a better spec? Nyawa rakyat Malaysia kurang penting berbanding nyawa orang putih? When asked why are we not supportive of our national cars..well you have the answer right in front of you. You don't put the customers that are responsible for your up bringing in the front line, of course you will be cursed. AUD$ 13000 is approximately RM 40000. Mind u that is after the tax + shipment cost + 2 airbags + 1.6 liter engine. Sad!!!
1Malaysia,
Apart from the better spec, and the taxes, i believe the car gets better/extended services.
So, rakyat ditipu again, again and again oleh Proton, Kereta Nasional Malaysia.
S16 – manual or auto?
Why oh why or dearly beloved proton gives Aussie or any other export models a better spec? Nyawa rakyat Malaysia kurang penting berbanding nyawa orang putih? When asked why are we not supportive of our national cars..well you have the answer right in front of you. You don’t put the customers that are responsible for your up bringing in the front line, of course you will be cursed. AUD$ 13000 is approximately RM 40000. Mind u that is after the tax + shipment cost + 2 airbags + 1.6 liter engine. Sad!!!
u know why? because not all msian got sfatey concern like u, me and some of us inside this forum. my fren once told me his experienced b4 he bpught a savvy..he want to choose between high line savvy and mid line..the high line got abs and airbag..her mom sed "ala..tayah la abs nih..kalau nak mati..mane2 je boleh". enuff sed.
Yeah,
Another typical mentality of Malaysians. Praise the "Mat Salleh". Worship the "Mat Salleh". Treat the "Mat Salleh" like god, but treat your fellow countrymen like shi*. Good work Proton, for sucking Malaysians again, as usual.
And now a left-hand-drive version for continental europe please… ;)
automotive jury is a Proton salesman
msian are offered min. spec
at premium prices cars and this jury whacko is saying it's ok!
hello bro, why bising aussie get higher spec?.. let it be lar. proton put higher spec there coz their market there want that. if proton put low spec then no sale, u also bash proton wat?
proton put lower spec here ppl still buy what, so business rules said sells what sell. if market dont mind lower spec, then give lower spec, if market want higher spec, then give higher spec.
if u want pronton to give higher spec here, then start educate your family, neighbor, colleague, etc to stop buy lower spec proton. if they said that they dont mind lower spec as long as cheap, then u better keep quite n go mastur-bath lar.
Simple mah.
Proton "says",
Malaysia has no law to mandate dual airbags as compulsary.
Too high price or not enough spec, proton cannot compete with Koreans anywhere in the world except Malaysia.
Malaysian are such a patriotic bunch to pay more for less…beli buatan Malaysia mah….
Malaysians not safety conscious mah, no airbags also buy, offer free also not appreciate lor….
Proton already doing its part to give Malaysian cheap cars mah….see, everything else so expensive, our cars are soooo cheap. What you want more???
LOL, and LOL at you if you miss the sarcasm.
You can draw whatever conclusion from this, but Proton taken at its lowest denomination, is a mere jaguh kampung only (even THAT is debateable).
But there is some truth in this. If it wasn't Proton being in the crap hole it was after years of bad production (basically anything from 1999 to 2005) and rapidly loosing market share, you wont even see any improvements. I'll give some credit to proton though, they do have a capacity to learn and improve when facing irrelevency. Can they do better, hell yeah. But would they? Probably just enough to keep lining someones pocket.
I understand the need to have positive balance of trade, but looking after your own people is important too (isn't this why we are trying to sell overseas in the first place?). No wait sorry, forgot this is Malaysia, its only looking after the pocket of the elite few. Normal Malaysian's need not apply.
Ok, that was harsh.
Ok, congratulations Proton on launching another car there. Truely hope you can do well. Just don't forget the REST OF US.
To earn more aussie $$$, why don't you put in "mandatory" sporty side stickers for $150. Damn easy to earn money for Malaysia. If you don't buy car with these stickers (call it approved accessories or whatever), you have to wait 6months yo…..and if you cannot wait, you have to buy something else….like a Toyota or Honda.
* damn, am I in a testy mood today or what……
ayoo… if proton sell the car here with that high spec… not all malaysian will but.. for eg Saga SE, hardly see on the street… most of the car I can see is the M line version. If saga is priced more then 50K for the spec.. then what will happened to Pesona and Gen2.
Thats is why we have marketing people
Bad luck to you proton!
If Proton wants the aussie spec for $50k of course no one will buy.
You seem to have missed the point that that aussie spec is UNDER $39k here after converting from Aussie $. Which is about the price of an M line manual here.
BTW, I have some photos of a modified Proton Saga that looked like a Subaru Impreza…aka Proton Impre-saga.
If they are selling the "loaded" 1.6 at A$13000, I would suppose that the regular 1.3 would be quite a lot less.
Sure rubs salt to whoever just bought a M line at 40k.
yeah! malaysian boleh not malaysia boleh!
PROTON BOLEH !!!!
what give….????? overseas market got better spec at lower price but own market got…. what???? NOTHING!!!!!!….. biasa la proton….
Australia has a very good Mitsubishi performance parts supplier. So it will still sell good in Australia since this new saga can fit in MIVEC or any mitsu 2nd gen tranverse mounted engine into it.
Well a very good marketing strategy by Proton actually to rise the brand name again in foreign market. Sell cheap to foreigners but sell expensive to Malaysian.
No worries,
Knowing few Australians colleagues in my office, most of them would say, "Why in bloody hell we should buy a small plastic car called Proton from South East Asia when we could afford to buy Mazda, Mitsubishi or Beemer?". Remember few years back, Proton car sales which is not doing well at middle east? Most of this old stock car are returned back to Malaysia and re-market as "Proton Wira Special Edition". Why would those rich non-tax Pak Arab countrymen buy a small plastic like cars from Proton? When they could afford to buy Merc and BMW at a cheaper price. So by the end of the day, customersis always right. Only that in Malaysia, we are told we are wrong.
Buat apa nak bising-bising, tak ramai pun yang nak beli saga dekat sana. Jual murah ka, spec tinggi ka pun tak ramai yang nak beli.
proton is stupid to target white countries like england and aussie .
they should be targeting third world countries like iran and indonesia.
when proton want to introduce saga with dual airbags and abs for malaysia market?it is nothing wrong if proton include this spec for saga.so malaysian will have more choice on saga
Do you know that in the early days, Hyundai was losing money for each car it sells in the USA? From rumours circulating in the industry, it's as close as USD 1000 per car. The point is they are willing to sell cheap because it is a long term strategy to enter the market and to build their brand.
Betul tu..kalau aku orang sana pun aku beli honda..nasib baik lak aku duduk kat
malaysia kenalah beli buatan malaysia yang tak berkualiti ni…korang ingat kalau proton dapat untung satu bilion pun korang boleh dapat share gak ke…hahahaha…lawak lah korang ni..sure proton bagi korang kereta mahal dan tak ada kualiti punya…hahahahaha
Leave it to their marketing people to do what's right. From the looks of things recently with the new man at the helm of the company instead of the arrogant prick who got booted out, Proton is improving and moving forward. Hopefully they'll soon get their export numbers to increase significantly (50% of total sales maybe) and only then it will justify the suffering all Malaysian car buyers had endured because of the protection given for the 20+ year old baby. Look at PETRONAS now, more than 30% of their revenue is from abroad.
Malaysia in the future can't compete with other emerging economies in terms of cheaper labour, etc and we can't stay on as the manufacturing base for Japan, US and other developed countries. We need innovations, we need to create our own technologies, we need to invest more in R&D.
Hai yar, Kampung Champion will always be a Kampung Champion, any car that puts to sell outside Malaysia area will be not ideal as compare to Domain sales. A typical Kampung Champion, even the name changes to a much more Stupidity name there. Seems like Kampung Champion loss their name there.
semua cakap senang …. semua berlagak pandai …. hermm
apa yang proton buat semuanya tak betul … common … bagilah moral support pada proton… just let it be proton doing their job to market proton for global market …. sampai bila kita nak tengok jenama kereta kita sendiri hanya di jalan2 malaysia ??? takkan sedikit pon tak rasa bangga proton tengah berusaha untuk memperkenalkan jenamanya dimata dunia ???
copyright under Nissan Silvia… haish
Remember, 90% Proton cars sold in Malaysia……and 100% of us getting crap here…
don't be surprised if ABS + EBD are standard items in the Aussie spec car, whether 1.3 or 1.6.
I think Malaysia is the only car manufacturing country in the world
— that exports superior quality cars at cheaper prices.
–while the same car sold locally (national) are more expensive, and lower in specs.
I pity the Malaysian.
This sounds more like 1Malang-sia…Not 1Malaysia
We must remember.. what ever you all said, we have special weapons , The CPS , they in Australia and even in UK dont have this things. Just in Thai and Malaysia only. Congratulation Proton …
If the model comes with 1.6 engine, this is so not fair for Malaysian. Proton must remember that their existence and survival are because of Malaysian. Just for thought trigger, is this strategy will boost Proton's revenue? Or is it just because of a short term publicity? Seriously I hate when Malaysian being treated like this. Why can't they offer the same model with limited number of production to us. The margin and volume might not be that high, but at least we can have the same privilege.Seingat aku, tak pernah laa aku kutuk Proton. Tp this time .. rasa mcm panas telinga aku ni.
Owh .. there is nothing wrong with kampung champion title .. holden oso kampung champion .. Cadillac oso was kampung champion, Rover oso was a kampung champion, Tata oso kampung champion. What does matter is whether the kampung champion title sufficient for competing with global market.
alo…..
firstly conratulation to Proton and all the best for them..
secondly.. please do the same to Malaysian people to (cheap price and good quality)…
thirdly…. mau belika… tak mau belika…. it's up to individual right… no body is stoping and no body is encouraging…
lastly… don't be to upset or emotional…
this is a place where we should give/share a constructive and meaningfull idea
thanks
hmmm… better spec and selling cheaper than Malaysian again. I wonder would anyone ask this question in the parliament. Should be interesting topics for debate.
I am sure all cars sold in Australia and many parts of the world have a minimum spec. In Australia probably must have air bags while in most developing countries it is not compulsory to keep the cost down because in most developing countries, cars are use to go from A to B. Just like in UK you need MOT then only can you get a road tax and be insured while in Malaysia this is not the case, thus you see many run down vehicles used by contractors cos many dont have money to buy new cars.
dear proton,
Kasi increment lebih utk engineer2, bonus pon very2 very2 low, macamana engineer mau keja betul2, tiap2 bulan ada je experienced engineer yg blah,…kebajikan pekerja mau jaga….
Saw an advertisement of proton cars in arab…so cheap. Waja for RM38,000..haiiyoo . Check this link: http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/268/protondiarab…
u guys think the mat salleh will give a damn for what's being offered?
bet many will come home n sold as export model
after the australian newspaper the age in its review called the persona a work in progress, i can't wait to see what they have to say about the saga.
the review is online for all to read.
cabutz….
click this link:
http://www.newsedan.com.au/
look, "massive 413litre boot & full size spare"
in malaysia, we proton only provide us with the cheapest tyre possible for the spare…haha
reminds me of transformer~
S16 = Sector 16
xD
Anyway gud job Proton!
Proud 2 be Malaysians!
^^
[quote=bb]click this link:
http://www.newsedan.com.au/
look, “massive 413litre boot & full size spare”
in malaysia, we proton only provide us with the cheapest tyre possible for the spare…haha
Read more: http://paultan.org/2009/09/14/saga-to-be-sold-as-…
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walauwei… why my spare tyre full size 13 inch? yours only nipis spare tyre bro??
Paul, "Saga" not "Sage" XD
roti naan1 said,
September 14, 2009 @ 5:18 pm
Outside malaysia, this car got better spec and cheaper.
In Malaysia, this car has lower spec and more expensive.
Yep, this is 1Malaysia concept. Rakyat (Australia) di utamakan. Rakyat Malaysia mati katak….kahakaha
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This is a good example the person know nothing about economy, tax …etc etc.. Just create your own country lorr..
Pehal la korg nak bising2 if proton nak jual kete mcm mana, spec mana and harga mana pun. If korg rasa proton to crap, xyah la beli. Ni pegi beli gak buat ape. Pastu nak mengutuk and menyalak mcm hape. Kalau rasa x mampu sgt, pki la benda yang x mampu, pastu jgn la bising2 ckp proton mahal la ape la. Kalau rasa keta luar lagi baik, pegi beli kat luar tu. Korg nmpak keburukan proton je. Korg nampak kebodohan marketing proton je. Ape kata korg je yg jadi CTO n CFO proton. Mcm pakcik2 kat kedai yang x abis2 *bagi idea* how gov shud plan the budget as if diorg tu ada PHD ekonomi and blablabla. Bukak mata la. Sape lagi nak support proton if bukan kite. If keta tu ada 10 airbag pun, if nak mati, mati gak. Merc 320 gedabak hit pokok terbelah dua mati je org dlm tu. Bagi aku asalkan leh jalan, fuel saver and cukup basic tu da kira ckp. Any additional features pad tu just pembaziran yang ditambah2 just utk meningkatkan harga kereta and buat consumer pk keta tu better than kete basic lain n wutsoever. Again, if x mampu and dah beli proton, senyap2 je la. Watpe korg tunjuk and kutuk kebodohan korg sendiri.
Sudah 16 kali tak berjaya? 1Malaysia 1 Car. 16 s? small size?
1.6L + dual airbags in Australia for the same price Malaysians pay for 1.3L + no airbags.
Malaysian customers aren't asking to be treated better, just to be equal is enough. But i suppose that is too much to ask of our "national" car company.
Close down Proton. And that day is our second National Day. Merdeka dari Proton, penjajah dompet rakyat Malaysia.
why angry so much.. proton already lunch the 1.6 saga in malaysia in limited stock be coz proton want to see people respond first on 1.6 version. if good respond, ofcoz proton will produce more.. But unfortunately malaysian people not buy it & comment saga 1.6 is a taxi version (dont buy it!, dont buy it!).. so nak salah sapa ni ??? I think our consumer mentality effect our productivity..
one more think "statement" jaguh kampung not suitable to apply on Proton. at least Proton already did sale their product globally in asian & east asian & europe. not like P2 just sale in Malaysia & UK only (coz hv agreement with T & D company & P2 cars is not malaysia car "walaupun" the cars manufactured in our country ).
People always complaint about high price. Do you all know about concept "High Volume Produce The Lowest Price You Can Get". Example: Price of Photocopy per piece is RM 0.10 sen, Copy more then 50 is RM 0.05 Sen & Copy more then 100 is RM 0.04 sen. Same also car manufacture. Why outside car price is cheaper? becoz "negara mereka besar & permintaan tinggi sesuai dengan jumlah pengeluaran kereta mereka" Other than that their also sell global.
lucky & perhaps, now a days, proton did success export cars into asian & europe, & u all can see the price of cars not so expensive compare lately/previous products.
"I'm not car expert but im thinking logically"…
thats why I stopped buying proton cars….
giving locals craps and sending the best overseas, whose life is more valuable ?
It's a good thing it doesn't have a 1.5 engine, otherwise it'll be called the S15, which is in direct conflict with the Nissan 200SX aka Silvia S15 sold there.
In sarawak not much new register Saga…most of us here go for Vios J also Hilux…..ha ha …..more reliable and safe…..
herm.. giving local craps & sending best to overseas. biasa lah tu. since dulu lagi.
how much rm=arabsaudi(riyal) ?
if rm1=riyal1
then waja CPS sell at 37k?.. MEMANG F(toot)(toot)K la.. kat sini jual 65k. hey.. proton2… pe la nasib anak malaysia kat sini. kalau rugi baik jual kat negara2 membangun & 3rd class country je..
anyway.. australia.. since a few last year proton fight with hyundai.. they fight price/and quality. S16. boleh jual ke?..
Saga is a good car. My wife's car is more than one year old, trouble free, comfortable and value for money. It is also strong as 1/3 of the car is made of High Tensile Steel.
Malaysian mentality.
Want cheap car – go to accessories shop add everything they could.
Want big engine – and complaint that the fuel price is high.
Want fuel efficient car – go to exhaust shop and get the biggest exhaust there is.
Want airbag as standard – still doesn't wear seatbelt when driving and allow child sit at the front.
Want ABS and EBD – tailgate other car with hope these technology can save them from crashing(which is nvr).
Want a nice car – buy a vios or city.
Can't afford a vios or city – blame the gov.
littleboy said,
September 15, 2009 @ 9:14 am
In sarawak not much new register Saga…most of us here go for Vios J also Hilux…..ha ha …..more reliable and safe…..
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i dnt know how save is that dugong J(jerung??). to me it's a very simple machine. not worth to buy(higher version maybe OK)..too expensive for that type of spec.
i believe most people pick dugong lately because of thier promotion. interest rate at 2.68??. try to give proton cars with that rate as well n see what happen..sure melambak org beli proton.marketing strategy maaa
KRoll – itu bkn masalah mampu atau tidak…. masalahnya harga yg ditetapkan tidak berpatutan dgn hasilnya & keutamaan rakyat malaysia diketepikan……. mana kau tau volume aussy tinggi dr mlsia?
Knoxx – boleh ko listkan kat sini negara mana yg ada volume tertinggi jualan proton melebihi malaysia?
disebabkan mentaliti korang berdua nilah proton senang2 aje nak kencing rakyat malaysia….. dan korang berdua ni lah yg paling basah kuyup kena kencing…..
i'm quite aannoyed on how some of people here bashing proton for it offering the higher specs there, and plus they even moaned about the price…i might not have sufficient knowledge about this, but still i wanted to point out to main points against these two pathetic arguements…
firstly, the specs…saga only offered the n, b, and m, and i myself driving the m line…and let us all see which specs on the road right now are the main choice between us malaysian…THE BASE LINE…so…in terms of marketing, why should proton offered this (local) market a higher specs, when most of the target customers only preferred this lower specs…and lets not forgot what is the target customers here in Malaysia…
and secondly the price…we can't just convert aus dollars currency to malaysian ringgit…we have to judge beyond it…in regards of the currency, how strong is the aus dollar in world currency market compared to malaysian ringgit…plus aus have lower tax than malaysia's, and before we moaned about the tax, let us see ourself compared to them the aussies, did we paid any income taxes or other huge taxes other than that? well…they did…
so please dont put your arguments and judges on things that are pointless and in the league of stupidity…
Hahaha…..1Malapetaka…i really dont understand the phrase 'kena kencing' until i read your comments…thanks bro…
Whatever, this is a goood news to us, Proton has trying go out to oversea.
GO GO POWER PROTON!!!
Seluar kita orang basah disebabkan oleh terkenal kencing sendiri dengan sengaja atau tak sengaja???
Malaysian Dacia Logan is on her way =D
illumiricon:
so…in terms of marketing, why should proton offered this (local) market a higher specs, when most of the target customers only preferred this lower specs…and lets not forgot what is the target customers here in Malaysia…
They prefer lower specs or because of the price? Do not underestimate the customers as they too deserve car with better spec. In open market would Saga full-spec be priced at RM25K? Now it's not about competing with open market RM55K Vios or City but a question of why not Malaysians deserved a Saga full-spec be priced at RM25K?
illumiricon:
we have to judge beyond it…in regards of the currency, how strong is the aus dollar in world currency market compared to malaysian ringgit…plus aus have lower tax than malaysia’s, and before we moaned about the tax, let us see ourself compared to them the aussies, did we paid any income taxes or other huge taxes other than that? well…they did…
So now it's all bout how much disposable income we have compare to the Aussie so that the car price can be justified? Higher disposable income means you can afford luxury? Saga is a luxury car, no?
KerelBort,
Top notch answer. Volume speaks. But for Myvi, the highest sales comes from the highest spec. Funny isnt it? But not for Vios. The S grade (now replaced by TRD crap) is even worse. according to sales report they only managed to sell 2-5 units a month. Haha. And Junk grade AT are the highest no of sales now. Who said Malaysians love all the ABS & EBD/Airbag? Janji bawak Vios, Junk pon Junk lah. But bila proton buat, tak prihatin lah apa bagai.
Choice is what we need. In Europe/Japan, we can even customise the trim colour, material, 4WD/2WD, electronics. Corolla comes in 30 variant, and their plant still cam maintain almost the same quality standard over complicated assembly instruction. Our plant? I shall leave that to your imagination.
Jumbsuck:
They prefer lower specs or because of the price? Do not underestimate the customers as they too deserve car with better spec. In open market would Saga full-spec be priced at RM25K? Now it’s not about competing with open market RM55K Vios or City but a question of why not Malaysians deserved a Saga full-spec be priced at RM25K?
I would still say yes the customers here preferred the lower spec. My argument is on this : I paid 487/month for my M-line, and if i choose B-line, i have to pay 460+…that is a VERY SMALL difference between lower spec and higher spec, and yet people chose the lower one…on this particular matter, do u still think PRICE is the catalyst on people's choice?
Sales and Marketing is a very serious part in selling products…do you think why Toyota offered the J variant of Vios here in Malaysia?
Jumbsuck:
So now it’s all bout how much disposable income we have compare to the Aussie so that the car price can be justified? Higher disposable income means you can afford luxury? Saga is a luxury car, no?
My point is not on "disposable income" but i'm pressing on currency and taxes..I cant see any relevance on your argument and i quote "Higher disposable income means you can afford luxury"…u seems didn't understand wholly about the taxes and the stupid currency conversions…u kept repeating 25K SAGA, and full spec?? please man, u have some serious issue here…u just cant converted it that way…u have to look at it deeper, the power of money there in aussie, consumer's power, the inflation rate, gov's policy…bla bla…it's just not that simple…
At least Proton will bring in money to our country. Understand the profit margin is low but if this price can translate to mass volume sale, Proton might earn more. When the money comes into our country, than we will become richer. If money goes out, then we become like zimbabwe. 50billion zimbabwe dollar just can buy 3 eggs. Oh sure, let Proton die now and let's migrate to Australia.
if Proton is sold like buy-1 free-1 in Australia, ppl stil wont buying it, becoz its a plastic car with metal made from milo can….hahahah
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RotiBoy,
if you are so damn f@ckin smart abt tax and economy, why not u fix our economy rather than so busy commenting on other ppl's comment? I comment what I want la. I need not ask you what is right or wrong.
Roti boy-boy, you sounded like a kintergarden boy here. Are still a little boy and still taking 30sen from your mom for schooling everyday?
take your 30sen and go buy yourself some junkfood….
idiotic acts by Proton… selling such good spec in other country while own country spec like shiat… no wonder the grass next door is always green, now i get to understand clearly regarding this theory…
n btw, Protons are not popular in Australia anyway, cant see Protons everyday on the oz roads… Top Gear Australia even calls Protons are cars for the elderly and the retired (they would rather drive Audis or Korean cars)… in fact Korean cars are much common and proved to produce better economical cars than what Proton claims to be their cars cheap and better quality… pity and sad to look at the Aussie market here for Proton…
so Proton FAILS! it FAILS again and again and again and again…
Typical Malaysian always want things with as easy as they want but nothing comes that easy. Our economy is struggling due to depleting foreign reserves. Yes every Malaysian worry and aware about that but when there is effort from People to improve the reserves, start making noise here and there. An export base country like Japan has huge foreign reserves and has benefit their people for long. It was from their people sacrifice working under tough condition, drown in machinery oil to achieve that. We Malaysian? Complaint and complaint and continue to complaint.
Bro…Japanese people are different…in fact i think they are from another planet. Take example their rubbish, have to sort out in very complicated manner, plastic also have to separate according to categories and if you can't simply throw rubbish like here. In Japan, if you want to act like trash, there have a park where you can wear anything you want, and do weird things. We here kena control by government…internet also kena filtered but we dont complain much…..we complain our right as buyers only…that also cannot meh? Let it be lah…people airing out they unhappiness as buyers or owners, to IMPROVE. And dont forget that 3 years ago Proton sells were so bad, the scenario of Proton going under was real. PROTON, DONT FORGET THAT IT IS US MALAYSIANS THAT SUPPORT THE CARP ALL THIS TIME…..
Mlaysian
want sexy as japanese car
want performance as european car
want it with malaysia price.
semua org marah proton sebab jual kete mahal kat sini. kat luar murah. ni semua disebabkan oleh cukai kerajaan untuk membiayai kos subsidi perubatan hospital2 klinik2, kemudahan2 awam, gula, tepung dan etc. kat luar negara benda tu semua berbayar tanpa subsidi. sebab tu harga kereta murah. kita semua boleh cadangkan agar cukai kereta dikurangkan atau xde terus tp kos perubatan dan lain2 kos hidup tu kita tanggung sendiri…
Wow, looks like there are some people here running out of excuses and resorting to name calling and derailling the topic.
Automotive critic, I agree that getting foreign reserves are important, but isn't it important to look after your own people first? (and by that I mean all Malaysians, just not a certain race). I DONT have to go through again how we all got raped by Proton.
I always maintain that IF (BIG BIG IF) Proton can make good cars for cheap, people don't have to spend more to buy an import. So that helps your balance of trade and foreign reserves as well. Is this point so hard to see?
If Proton can make the Perdana as good as the Accord, why buy the Accord? Same, if the Waja is as good as the Civic, why buy the Civic? Same card can be played by the French, they are damn patriotic about thier own french cars.
The ugly truth is, Proton is nowhere near. If anything, don't blame people for buying imports when we don't have anything equivalent to offer. And yes, people do spend more to get safety items (EBD, ESC, SRS, accredited crash tests etc) or perceived safety…which proton fails miserably on all counts. The automotive industry always compares price alone, which is wrong since tax segments are all different.
And don't give me the excuse that proton is new so it needs protection bullshit. They have been around long enough to make many people filthy rich. Its time that as a National project, it serves the rest of the nation. Otherwise what the hell is its role? patrotism can only go so far.
I will buy another proton provided they made a good car at a good price.
We have depleting foreign resources because some idiot went and bought submarines instead of putting back into the country by improving healthcare, education and public transport. Same idiots went after mega projects (er..disasters). Thats where ALL our foreign reserves went…and for what???
Elvis said,
Bro, Since when Japanese from different planet? Any foundation proves that? Only for rubbish collection system can decide from other planet? Can improve economy? They are all same with us, eat rice also but why they are everything technologically and economically advanced?..Complaint as buyer is OK but the most important thing is to think globally where and how global economic chain been connected. When Malaysian manufacturing sector dies of e.g no more Proton, no doubt car price might become cheaper but the question that we can afford or not even that cheap price due to deterioritng buying power!
Do Japanese say their car cheap in domestic market? NO! It is not cheap but their buying power justify the price.
adik4ever said
You're right. This is easiest way for governmant to skip errant tax payer if medical bill is need to pay through individual tax. In fact, most of malaysian are not in the income that subjected for tax. As many concern, motoring is utmost necessecities for Malaysian that's why government is taking advantage in this sector. On the other hand, this is one way for current ruling government to remain in power. Will use free medical this and that when GE.
adik4ever.
Don't make it sound that the government's only income is car tax.
I don't know about you, but we pay income tax too. Companies pay corporate tax. We pay land accessments and property taxes.
This then opens another can of worms, why is the government taxing us so much for a local made car?
If the government uses the car tax earned for improvement of public transport I would be the last person to complain about the high car tax, as it makes perfect sense. But sadly this is not the case. Our public transport projects are privatized. WTF does all the car tax money go?
Automotive_Critics:
An export base country like Japan has huge foreign reserves and has benefit their people for long. It was from their people sacrifice working under tough condition, drown in machinery oil to achieve that. We Malaysian? Complaint and complaint and continue to complaint.
It is because Japan produce simply quality cars (after selling cheap craps initially) and the WHOLE WORLD buy Japanese cars which translate into huge forex reserves like what you said. Korea did the same thing and improve a lot to the point that Hyundai/Kia don't believe in selling craps to survive anymore. The whole world go for improvement and open competition, offer only the best and widest selection to the customer.
Now look at Malaysia and Proton. Still need another 50 years to improve? Want to fool Australia with that crap outdated car? What next, wanna fool Thai, Indon, Filipino buyers even more? Proton not only causing rip-off to own Malaysians but to ASEAN market also. One nut against the world for wrong reasons. Close down or die trying. It's enough disservice to the people. Sell the scrap irons while still got some residual value.
Jumbsuck said,
September 15, 2009 @ 2:32 pm
It is because Japan produce simply quality cars (after selling cheap craps initially) and the WHOLE WORLD buy Japanese cars which translate into huge forex reserves like what you said.
Now look at Malaysia and Proton. Still need another 50 years to improve?
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How long have Honda existed? Toyota? Kia/Hyundai? All OVER 50 YEARS AGO! How long have Proton existed? Only 24 years ago. How long have Proton DESIGNED their own car? Only in the last decade! How fair is the comparison? Besides, how can Proton improve when Malaysians in general are pessimists! I bet even in Proton there are people like Jumbsuck here! How to improve?
Jumbsuck said,
September 15, 2009 @ 2:32 pm
So Jumbuck, Let us close Proton. So can you suggest what else we can sell after all resources (oil, timber, bla-bla) depleted? Pisang? Can make money? to import car need money. But if already no money can we import car? Can we even import oil to run our beloved imported car? Japan has no oil resources but has the 2nd largest oil reserves after the US. How they buy it? Exchange with Pisang? Can meh?
No Japanese marque is perfect from their start. Daihatsu, the longest vehichle maker in Japan has more than 80 Years and just produce Mira Avy which i believe you also don't want to sit inside. 80Years!! Just of that! 25Years of Proton is not too late in fact Directors has embarked with Proton 10years improvement plan.
More export means more money come in translate more income to country. If not just become Zimbabwe. People can't afford even 3 chicken eggs.
spot on Tiadaid
pessimists….that summed everything well in one word….
Auto Crititics,
Oi to sell banana also need to compete with Banana Republic la, not forgeting Central American countries, central Africa and Thailand's genetically enhanced pisang that comes with 2 biji.
However what you said is very true. Nak import kereta nak payar pakai apa? Soh kerja ladang kelapa sawit pon panggil bangla kerja. Nak bayar ngan apa? air liur? surat khabar politik? cheh.
illumiricon said
Exactly, here is Winston Churchill quotes;
[A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.]
I don't get it. Whats all these about pessimist and optimists? This has nothing to do with pessimists and optimists.
Its about the degradation of social-economic position for malaysians from the weight of non-performing national projects.
If talking about making "money", if Proton makes good car enough to compete on par, then we can protect against reserve outflow. Isn't this the same thing as trying to sell overseas? If Proton does its part, the rest of us Malaysians will do ours.
Demand = Supply at price equilibrium. Lower price, demand and supply both increase. Look what happened when the old SAGA dropped down to 28k? Market is limited, If someone buys a new Saga because its cheaper, they would have NOT bought a used import and therefore create additional GDP.
If proton can sell at lower price for overseas, why not in malaysia?
i'm annoyed even more when some even saying about buying submarines and mega projects…
d'uhh…please…without those mega projects, do you think how well the world will know/recognize malaysia right now? have u watched NatGeo about the twin towers, about how the foreigners involved in the project sees malaysia during that day? they didn't even know that Malaysia exist…
when the gov spending money, all u can see is wasting money…but all of these involved something more than just spending…way even more….
when malaysia is recognized, see how wealthy our country has become…
sorry if it is off topic…but these kind of comments disgust me….it's somehow pathetic….
4G63tDSM said,
September 15, 2009 @ 3:58 pm
I don’t get it. Whats all these about pessimist and optimists? This has nothing to do with pessimists and optimists.
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Well, actually the pessimist comment's directed to those comments stupidly bashing Proton…
1Malapetaka said,
September 15, 2009 @ 10:34 am
KRoll – itu bkn masalah mampu atau tidak…. masalahnya harga yg ditetapkan tidak berpatutan dgn hasilnya & keutamaan rakyat malaysia diketepikan……. mana kau tau volume aussy tinggi dr mlsia?
Knoxx – boleh ko listkan kat sini negara mana yg ada volume tertinggi jualan proton melebihi malaysia?
disebabkan mentaliti korang berdua nilah proton senang2 aje nak kencing rakyat malaysia….. dan korang berdua ni lah yg paling basah kuyup kena kencing…..
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Viva Elite Cheaper meh?????
Haha..when is comes to Proton car… 'political person' will blame everything.. 1malaysia bla bla.. Barang Naik..bla bla… Parti Kacau Rakyat..bla bla…
then, when it comes to quality.. they said no quality..bla bla.. even proton is their first car..haha.. bodoh sombong..
everything from T and H or P2 is good quality..haha .. 3rd class country mindset… pity Malaysian…
Malaysian always look at the negative aspect..NEVER and NEVER and NEVER think about the positive one… they should realized the changes under DSZ and TM… but Malaysian always like this.. always forget..m**layu mudah lupaa..
Just give a chance to proton to grow up, if u dont want(actually dont have money) please do not simply bash proton, better bash pro2 to force them to create their own car..
so how about tell gov to zero tax on both car "national" & "export Car". So people can make choice to buy their dream car. . .
But at the same time put high tax on spare part for "export car" (10% / 50% / 100% / any convenience rate ) to help increase sumber kewangan negara & the same time people can ride their dream car.. (takkan sebuah kereta import slalu kena hantar wokshop kan??)
Just my opinion, dont take it serious.. :)
I for 1 feel betrayed!! The car is made in our beloved country, p1 and p2 made thier name and bucks from our people. but why when it comes to offering safety levels, trims and quality products, why are often forgotten.P1 cars which is exported has better safety equipments, trims and many other extra. Are we the lab mice for this brands. Dont we all need airbags and more to protect our families in case of an emergency. I think P1 esp owes the malaysians a big favour. Why are we taken for granted by offering us a half past six product? I dont see other car companies do this, many infact give thier people the best.
Dont forget your roots…." bagaikan kacang lupakan kulit"
Mi16 said,
September 15, 2009 @ 5:28 pm
I for 1 feel betrayed!! The car is made in our beloved country, p1 and p2 made thier name and bucks from our people. but why when it comes to offering safety levels, trims and quality products, why are often forgotten.P1 cars which is exported has better safety equipments, trims and many other extra. Are we the lab mice for this brands. Dont we all need airbags and more to protect our families in case of an emergency. I think P1 esp owes the malaysians a big favour. Why are we taken for granted by offering us a half past six product? I dont see other car companies do this, many infact give thier people the best.
Dont forget your roots….” bagaikan kacang lupakan kulit”
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Bro, u use seat bealt or not??? both??? both rear and front passenger?? if NO.. please take back your spit.. malaysian talk about safety? hahaha…
don't want CHEAP LOW SPEC SAGA.. (RM36498 + 1 airbag)
then, buy PRICEY LOW SPEC VIVA ELITE MT..
or PRICEY LOW SPEC MYVI..
Fact:
CHEAP LOW SPEC SAGA – RM36498 + 1 airbag
PRICEY LOW SPEC VIVA ELITE MT-RM37500 (no airbag) -basher wont complain
PRICEY LOW SPEC MYVI – RM38924.10 (no airbag) -basher wont complain
illumiricon said,
September 15, 2009 @ 4:03 pm
i’m annoyed even more when some even saying about buying submarines and mega projects…
d’uhh…please…without those mega projects, do you think how well the world will know/recognize malaysia right now? have u watched NatGeo about the twin towers, about how the foreigners involved in the project sees malaysia during that day? they didn’t even know that Malaysia exist…
when the gov spending money, all u can see is wasting money…but all of these involved something more than just spending…way even more….
when malaysia is recognized, see how wealthy our country has become…
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And what does these do for the rest of us?
I'm in the manufacturing line. Our buyers care about price and quality. Not how many towers we have or we have an F1 team, or how many submarines we have.
Wealthy? or only just look wealthy?
I rather be rich without people knowing I am rich instead of looking rich but only scraping by.
Being able to produce good products at low price is what builds the country. In the case we are doing our part…..something we are continuing to have difficulty in, especially skilled labour. (WTF is wrong with our education system?)
Don't know how old you are, but Malaysia has been WELL KNOWN in the manufacturing world well before the twin towers and all these mega projects. We are going backwards if anything after years of "mega projects".
i second that bro….especially the education part….so sad….will see next generation that cant compete and cant work oversea and end up jobless in own country. Govenment really want to produce stupid next generation here….
Yes, I want sexy as Japanese car.
Truth, I want performance as European car.
But, WHO ON EARTH WANT IT WITH MALAYSIA PRICE!
this is for australians who are not smart enough to buy a holden v8
Because of these Mega Projects we are well known throughout the world. Now our contractors are wanted all over the world to help build their Mega projects too…. building roads, buildings and other infrastructures, because we have the expertise and experience. Well done Malaysia.
nti-Moron said,
September 15, 2009 @ 5:47 pm
Mi16 said,
September 15, 2009 @ 5:28 pm
I for 1 feel betrayed!! The car is made in our beloved country, p1 and p2 made thier name and bucks from our people. but why when it comes to offering safety levels, trims and quality products, why are often forgotten.P1 cars which is exported has better safety equipments, trims and many other extra. Are we the lab mice for this brands. Dont we all need airbags and more to protect our families in case of an emergency. I think P1 esp owes the malaysians a big favour. Why are we taken for granted by offering us a half past six product? I dont see other car companies do this, many infact give thier people the best.
Dont forget your roots….” bagaikan kacang lupakan kulit”
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Bro, u use seat bealt or not??? both??? both rear and front passenger?? if NO.. please take back your spit.. malaysian talk about safety? hahaha…
Bro for your info many malaysian use both fr&bk belts, ignorance does nt take you anywhere. Care to explain why malaysians cant talk about safety? MR ANti Moron. Here goes again the "tidak apa attitude"
most probably this is the last day I'm going to visit this story as it will be relegated to other pages.
Malaysian pay excise tax on every proton sold, on graduated scale.
Taxes:
* A 10 percent sales tax on all vehicles is assessed.
* An excise tax on passenger cars is assessed on a graduated schedule:
First RM 7,000 x 25%
Next RM 3,000 x 30%
Next RM 3,000 x 35%
Next RM 7,000 x 50%
Next RM 5,000 x 60%
Balance x 65%
so we are paying about 9000 in taxes (sales and excise) for every M-line sold. In Australia the excise duty is at 16%.
So effectively the price of cars-duties in sold by Proton to Australian are more than what being sold to Malaysians. Proton make more money selling cars to Australia per car then they do to Malaysians.
i think if saga 1.6 iafm, revise it final ratio to a bit lower value.
it will promiss a good fuel consumption on the long distant use.
for the weight 1050kg having 1.6 showing power to weight is a tad high.
its not a car with sporty suspension ,not ment for spirited drive, its ment for family use, and the strong point for saga is cheap car and economy to run (FC).
i would suggest that 1.6 iafm saga run 2700rpm or 2750rpm for 100kmh after a new final drive.
1.5vvti car can make 2500rpm at 100kmh. so for proton 1.6iafm 2700rpm/100kmh. is competitive enough probally 11.5sen/km or 12sen/km on the highway.
town driving i cant say much, because vvti/cvvt is torque ready between 0 to 3000rpm is great, and town drive you just drive not passing the engine speed of 2500rpm. so vvti is more economical in town, while iafm from 0 to 2300 doest help much in gaining torque. iafm is only effective above 2300, so usebale torque for iafm in town is not to its level of effectiveness in pushing the car with light or pickup sensation like the vvti/cvvt. so push the car in town, a little a tad more depression on the gas pedal is means fuel.
Mi16 said,
September 16, 2009 @ 8:52 am
Bro for your info many malaysian use both fr&bk belts, ignorance does nt take you anywhere. Care to explain why malaysians cant talk about safety? MR ANti Moron. Here goes again the “tidak apa attitude”
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Yeah, they wear seatbelts, but still drive at dangerous speed, cutting in and out of lanes without warning, tailgating. You think ABS, EBD & Airbag can save you if you had an accident while driving like some idiot? So, don't talk about safety features when Malaysian mentality sees people driving like a man possesed! Besides, Toyota's Vios J don't have Airbags and people don't bash.
kereta proton tak boleh
4G63tDSM said,
September 15, 2009 @ 9:04 pm
And what does these do for the rest of us?
I’m in the manufacturing line. Our buyers care about price and quality. Not how many towers we have or we have an F1 team, or how many submarines we have
I'm in business, which involved sales strategy, marketing, implementations, executions, processes, policies, and operations and lots and lots more. There are lots of buyers/consumers who care about price and quality, I would never argue on that, and I'm not in the intention of underestimating anyone…and yes it has nothing to do with submarines and towers, so how come u pointed it out?
Wealthy? or only just look wealthy?
I rather be rich without people knowing I am rich instead of looking rich but only scraping by.
Pity you…i felt like I'm rich, I'm fortunate, and I'm so lucky….
Don’t know how old you are, but Malaysia has been WELL KNOWN in the manufacturing world well before the twin towers and all these mega projects. We are going backwards if anything after years of “mega projects”.
Hehe…no, u are absolutely wrong…Malaysia is known, but not like right now. Not as global as right now. In fact you should read my post again. The foreigners involved are from Europe and Americas. You should watch NatGeo and u'll get exactly what I meant. You're arguing on things with pointless arguments. And you said that we're going backwards? Hehe…
Well, I'm 26. I'm in business, and I considered myself as a successful person, although I'm not rich enough. Maybe I'm younger than you, and you whom is older would consider yourself more experienced, more knowledgable, and maybe far more superior than me, and yet you can't even read and understand a passage/sentence properly.
Stop being ignorance. The more you become, the more stupid you'll sound.
bravo proton. the biggest support you are getting is from malaysia but export markets still get the best specs!!!
for the locals, what better than a Special Edition Saga with blackened rooftop?
Tiadaid said,
September 16, 2009 @ 10:04 am
Mi16 said,
September 16, 2009 @ 8:52 am
Bro for your info many malaysian use both fr&bk belts, ignorance does nt take you anywhere. Care to explain why malaysians cant talk about safety? MR ANti Moron. Here goes again the “tidak apa attitude”
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Yeah, they wear seatbelts, but still drive at dangerous speed, cutting in and out of lanes without warning, tailgating. You think ABS, EBD & Airbag can save you if you had an accident while driving like some idiot? So, don’t talk about safety features when Malaysian mentality sees people driving like a man possesed! Besides, Toyota’s Vios J don’t have Airbags and people don’t bash.
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You are ,missing the point here, the point is why malaysian treat like a lab rat? Do we really deserve this? Mind you, foreign car makers seems to appriciate us, even though we are a third world by offering very good safety features, never knew vios was malaysian. As long as there are some young and fool idiots who think they are L.Hamilton behind thier ah bengized cars which is already time bomb waiting to explode nothing can change, It happens every where not only in our country. Your argument for not providing us with better safety features is totally unacceptable. WE DONT DESERVE THIS!
new Saga is good product compare than others Proton model..
Bravo Proton…
Fark Proton anyhow use Silvia model code,can't use other name liked potong saga
Go for it Proton. I drive the Savvy… makes me savvy. My sister drives the Saga, very good continental ride.
sepatutnya pengguna saga di malaysia yg harus komen sama ada puashati atau tidak tentang berita ini. Tetapi macam banyak komen dari bukan pengguna Saga je??? Rasanya macam basher proton je yang lepas geram kutuk-kutuk disini…
Mi16 said,
September 16, 2009 @ 11:28 am
You are ,missing the point here, the point is why malaysian treat like a lab rat? Do we really deserve this? Mind you, foreign car makers seems to appriciate us, even though we are a third world by offering very good safety features, never knew vios was malaysian. As long as there are some young and fool idiots who think they are L.Hamilton behind thier ah bengized cars which is already time bomb waiting to explode nothing can change, It happens every where not only in our country. Your argument for not providing us with better safety features is totally unacceptable. WE DONT DESERVE THIS!
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You don't get it. When we put safety features in the car, price of the car shot up. Take a look at all those sub-50K cars. NONE of them have safety features. In fact, Proton cars DO have safety features in their top of the line models. Malaysians are cheap, they don't want to pay more for safety, so tell me, do they deserve what they get? Yes, they do! You want safety features, buy the top of the line model. If you want to buy the cheaper models, they drive carefully.
wow, Proton S16 full spec di australia lebih murah berbanding myvi 1.3 diMalaysia.. kenapa org telan bulat2 je kalo myvi mahal ye? err.. mesti org jawab, T & D dna maa….
Prismo said,
wow, Proton S16 full spec di australia lebih murah berbanding myvi 1.3 diMalaysia.. kenapa org telan bulat2 je kalo myvi mahal ye? err.. mesti org jawab, T & D dna maa….
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i agree with u, that why i wonder about the all comments posting here.. maybe all of them not saga user, but basher only…
fakta beli produk malaysia (kenderaan 100% malaysia, keperluan hidup & barang-barang lain:
pengusaha tempatan bayar cukai perniagaan pada negara. (membantu ekonomi & kitaran aliran duit)
pengusaha tempatan bayar pekerja (membantu pendapatan pekerja)
Pekerja bayar cukai pendapatan & zakat (membantu ekonomi & kitaran aliran duit)
Pekerja beli barang keperluan & lain-lain (membantu ekonomi & kitaran aliran duit)
Tauke kedai yang barang nya dibeli boleh bayar cukai & bayar gaji pekerja yang kemungkinan basher-basher kat luar tue..
Jadi jika produk tempatan diketepikan:
keuntungan jatuh (tax tak dapat bayar & pekerja dikurangkan)
ekonomi juga boleh jatuh sebab aliran dalam negara sendiri tiada, tetapi banyak aliran wang keluar dari negara.
i know basher will comment back what im say, but this is fact…
proton sucks!! I'm ashame!!
Just like Knoxx said, pakai pekerja asing juga merugikan negara kita. Please support our worker.
Love my proton, like someone said, european ride and handling, japanese relaibility and Malaysian Price. Well done Proton
hahaha @ illumiricon! 4g63tDSM lived and worked abroad for years in various countries, you're just a kid whose whole knowledge of the outside world apparently came from some show on natgeo, and you dare to call him "ignorance". really too funny lah!
i prefer it to be call proton S16E and S16D
4G63tDSM: u r astonishingly absurd..u cant even reconized the benefits that brought frm da mega project justifiably, n simply bashing anrd with ur ignorance..u knw wat,the impact of our landmark twin tower was so jz huge that significantly improved our vital tourism sector annualy,it hlp to brought in multi-billion of foreign currency for our country ..it's really funny 2 heard that u saying malaysia was ady a well known country long ago with da so called "one of da industrial manufacturer in world'..wat joke…any proves for this statement? it's seems that u really cant assess the value of sumthing that's intangible..very single straigh-foward minded…n sumore,u didnt even knw hw vital for our country 2 hving sub-marine..wat shame..ur ignorance on these are really irritating..
1 Malaysia support Proton, Proton can do it.
Azmi from Bangi to Bintulu with love said,
If the model comes with 1.6 engine, this is so not fair for Malaysian. Proton must remember that their existence and survival are because of Malaysian. Just for thought trigger, is this strategy will boost Proton’s revenue? Or is it just because of a short term publicity? Seriously I hate when Malaysian being treated like this. Why can’t they offer the same model with limited number of production to us. The margin and volume might not be that high, but at least we can have the same privilege.Seingat aku, tak pernah laa aku kutuk Proton. Tp this time .. rasa mcm panas telinga aku ni.
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Wah abg!! marah nampak.. why ?? already bought saga 1.3 ka…
if not u should not angry so much & just go buy saga 1.6 limited edition… tutup case.. remember malaysian.. proton did already produce saga 1.6.. just waiting people to book..
The final price of the S16 has been announced, it will retail in australia for $11,900 AUD, that price includes all taxes and on road costs. It seems to me that Proton is one of the few manufacturers that actually offers export markets better engines and features available as standard. In Australia for example many of the European and Japanese cars, whilst still well equppied, are not as well equipped as standard compared to their local markets. But anyway, as a cheap, basic form of transport for first car buyers I think the S16 will be ok…however it is already recieving much critiscm for its safety, the standard of the Proton cars is just not high enough….one airbag in 2009? Come on….unacceptable when you consider that the commodores and falcons from 1993/1994 mostly all had a standard airbag…by the way, the Australian government mandated the use of airbags in all cars in 2001, and as of next year the Victorian government has mandated all new cars MUST be equipped with ESP….so I'm guessing that either proton will have to add this to the S16 for Australia, or it will be removed from sale shortly…