At Perodua’s announcement of its sales performance in the first half of the year, it was also confirmed that construction of the RM600 million engine plant at the Sendayan TechValley near Seremban – shared with Daihatsu – is reaching 80% completion, adding that it is planning on completing the facility by the fourth quarter of this year.
That’s at least six months ahead of schedule; the company only broke ground last October, and the factory wasn’t expected to be operational until the second half of next year. Once completed, the plant will be able to produce 140,000 engines a year on a two-shift cycle.
Built there will be 1.3 and 1.5 litre mills from Toyota’s NR engine family; these are probably for use on future models, as none of Perodua’s current cars utilise NR engines – could these engines be for the upcoming sedan instead? The 1.0 litre engine in the Axia will continue to be produced in Rawang.
The upcoming plant will be the second by Perodua and Daihatsu in Sendayan – the duo also have a RM200 million transmission plant, known as Akashi Kikai Industry Malaysia, that supplies four-speed electronic automatic transmissions (E-AT) and five-speed manual transmissions to Perodua.
Interestingly, president and CEO Datuk Aminar Rashid Salleh also revealed that the company is currently looking to supply its engines and transmissions to other carmakers. “We are hoping in the near future to offer [powertrains] to other OEMs,” he said. “In fact, we have offered our engines and our transmissions to Proton.”
What do you think – could Proton benefit from the powertrains that Perodua produces, or would it be better to press on with technology from its partnership with Suzuki instead?
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apa Proton tunggu lagi?
angkatlah Toyota Engine dari Perodua.
Tak best, takde turbo
p2 engine got VVTi, that’s a lot faster than turbo right?
Myvi best can overtake Audi BMW Benz for breakfast lunch dinner
Yes, unlike Proton using engine cikai
Those must be people who drive p2 on road like crazy
Crap factory produces crap engine for crap car
Syok sendiri company makes syok sendiri engines. No wonder syok sendiri feel like conti engine already.
Why not? Lotus also get engine supply from Toyota.
Proton with Perodua Toyota engine simply solved the quality and fuel economy problem. Kick out the crappy Campro for good.
And better get gearbox from same Perodua vendor. Again solved the problem of jerky Punch gearbox.
Finally Proton have top quality engine and gearbox from Perodua! No need feel ashamed. Janji rakyat senang hati tidak geleng kepala lagi. Jimat duit, tak payah ulang alik masuk workshop repair.
Stupid to compare toyota engine in lotus. That supercharged engine not crappy avanja vios myvi axia engine. Even CFE is more powerful than n/a japs engines
Cakap salah tapi mahu guna Toyota engine. Ptuih!
Lol no wonder who drive p2 ady feel its JDM. They are being cheated ady. Those toned down cars are for 3rd world countries
Kahkah, are we not 3rd world country? Ah Jib only dream we be in 1st world by 2020.
We are developing country
Proton can do whatever with the engine buy from PErodua.
1. Maintain it as N.A.
2. Tune it and void the warranty, provide own Proton Warranty to customer.
You never learn from history kah? Perdana, Wira, Waja, Inspira etc where got engine tuned? They don’t give permission to p1 to do changes to engine.
1. Proton Satria R3 has a Tweeked Mitsu 1.8L engine.
2. Lotus also tuned Toyota engine.
3. Proton Iswara LMST is also sold with tuned Mitsu engine.
1,2 not mass prod cars
3 – old lame engine noone cares
Campro-based engines will soon be replaced , expected within the next 2-3 years with more advanced (in-house & consultant) designs, and that’s not even counting the Petronas & possibly Suzuki engines.So Proton is not short on engine options, why want to source from Perodua??? As for the CVT, I think Proton should source from the Japanese suppliers, which could offer better CVT performance (albeit maybe at slightly higher cost)..
Teknologi dinosar.
HP per liter macam siput.
No VVT.
Enjin tin milo.
Bagi free pun Proton tak mau
Teknologi dinosaur > Teknologi camtakpro
Lotus hanya mahu Toyota engine
Bagi free pun tak mahu Proton engine
Huh? Campro originally from lotus. Before you say lotus has no frugalengine yes go and read lotus range exender tech
You must be Ahmad Maslan best friend or same gen, good at misleading and making lies.
Well, agree. It’s lotus range extender. No lies or misleading here.
Setakat nak bagi enjin cikai terima kasih aje lah. Lotus/p1 got more advanced engines
Ada engine advanced tapi mahu guna engine cikai, tak logic pun. P1 bodoh atau apa?
p2 pulak kenapa tak pakai hybrid terus? Lagi bodoh company besar pakai enjin cikai
I want to see Axia with fuel cell Toyoda engine, got?
P2 company besar? P1 macai lagi bodoh
Go and see whose behind. Engine plant, isn’t that expensive?
But what engine? If only 1FR 2FR it’s not good enough
Excuse me… dinosaur engine?
Please read carefully, this is the NR engine, launched in Japan not that long ago… The NR engine is equipped in the newly launched Toyota Sienta 1.5 in Japan..
Please check your input, jangan pakai tembak aja !!
Oh im sorry. Let me rephrase that. New engine recycled with dinosar technology with HP per liter worse than siput wombat.
Howzat?
Excuse him. John is P2 terminator gone bad
Dear perodua & japanese- you make bisness good for Malysian, do let Proton people come to you for employment or you will die like proton.
Dear Suzuki, please ensure Proton sack all the failure syoik sendiri including azlano spen a year in itali but gain nothing
Close shop laa…always produce rubbish for what?
Yes, Proton please close shop… So that your macai can stop saying rubbish
Tell me how P2 would want to close shop if the business is good and there is business case to supply engines to other manufacturers? A business will close only when there are not making money for some years.
Why Proton still not close shop even though they are losing money?
Until DRB running out of cash?
Until DRB close shop
Peluang kerja untuk anak2 melayu.. thanks perodua
Proton with proven Perodua engine, gearbox? Hoorayyy! Yayyy!! Yahoouuu!!!!
Kasi tendang itu Campro sama Punch!
Confirm Proton sales naik laku lagi!
Keep it up! Do the best!
#kipidap #dudebest
No power p2 engine. Boring.
No power? Remember FAMILIA? Real powderful. Even advanced tech Pajero also knocked-out. Lagi powerrr lagi best they said.
Yes i remember. Now i scared
Tat’s y Perodua not produce a CAR
Thanks perodua tolong anak melayu..
Yalah…tlg moving to coffin
it would be better for the people of Proton and Perodua have a common drivetrain in terms of availability and cost. However I don’t see Proton accepting that offer. Having said that, I’m still wondering why Perodua and Avanza have a different engine from the Vios. IF the Vios uses a local engine, the tax and therefore the cost price of the Vios will be less.
Vios uses V12 , Avanza V6 je
Proton ego too big to admit its Campro engine and Punch gearbox are simply crap.
If they use Perodua engine, Akashi gearbox surely rakyat more confident and buy its car more.
Even saga is more frugal than vios. Go figure.
Frugal… Your head
Park in SC cannot move confirm more frugal than hybrid.
some part of p1 car come from p2 parent company UMW..no need to go ego..as p2 oso source part of their car from p1..PHN Industry (DRB-Proton) will make part for upcoming Axia sedan..PHN produce 28 parts consisting 11 sub-assembly and 9 stamping parts for p2 car including Axia n upcoming Axia sedan..it clearly say “Secure Business Axia Sedan from Perodua Global Manufacturing Sdn Bhd”
proof click the link below
http://www.phn.com.my/milestone.htm
OMG… some part of P1 come from ‘moving coffin’. Haha
Even Mazda6 only HPF at impact beam, lol
Don’t forget P1 had paid huge sum of cash to acquire the Petronas engine technology. May be these technologies will be incorporated into the new forth coming Proton Saga
perodua created lots of jobs for the local.
But 30 million people suffer to buy moving coffins
The 30 million is Proton owners lah. 30 million of people bought Proton for the past 30 years? Forgot?
P1 moves forward in safety. P2 moves like snail . 2015 stil no vsc in myvi.
Saga got VSC in 2015 ah?
Lol saga is first debut in 2015? New myvi but no VSC? Get your fact right
Yes, Saga 30 years still no VSC lol
OMG Iriz will prolly becomes new saga sedan. No VSC. I think you are dreaming too much
I nampak goyang kaki je…where got work to do?
if this plant produces 1NR-FE it will be an another milestone for perodua with Start-stop n dual vvti tech. Etios-based sedan perhaps?
The Etios used 2NR-FE which is low cost VVTi-less engine. An etios is too small & too ‘cheap-built’ for Malaysian needs… hope new perodua sedan will not derived from that model. Bear in mind that the Ciaz & City already popular as budget sedans in India, we r supposed to get the better ones.
Yg dislike tu msti xxxx
I don’t think Proton would get their engine from P2.
I think it would seriously hurt their image and pride. It would also be an indirect acknowledgement that they are not capable of developing their own engine that can compete with the ‘younger’ brother.
Haha, P1 no more pride
p2 no pride selling moving coffins before and now
P2 no pride like P1 selling burning coffins
OMG p2 have both moving and burning coffins!!
Yes, P2 has coffins for P1. Haha
But later only p2 burns, lol
Don’t think so, Proton already got some extensive in-house engines plan. Which will also be bolstered with the Suzuki technical partnership.
One of the proton vendor supplier just close the factory and sacked 100 ++ worker…proton is going down,even the iriz headlamp is made from depo taiwan,its is no made in malaysia..why….
When Perodua sedan launched next year, lagi banyak lah vendor kroni tutup kilang.
lol P2 vendor oso is P1 vendor oso la…
Bodoh py komen, P2 vendor jg dr cronies. Big boss kt belakang sokong wang byk kpd G
Proof?
Everybody knew only you
Then give the proof
P1 feel they might lost their dignity due to P2 offering engine and transmission supply to them. Anyway, it’s a good move by P2. At least P1 being shame by P2 and hope P1 will be able to cope with it by challenge with P2 for the new upcoming model. Now the real war between Malaysia automotive begin. Good luck to both side.
Alah… Milo tin macam mane modify pun militin jugak la… Perodua and proton, can close shop. No quality n sound like a tin kosong!
Perodua sedan = Proton bungkus kilang.
P1 produce part for up coming P2 Axia sedan
PHN Industry Sdn Bhd, jointly owned by DRB-HICOM Berhad and PROTON Holdings Sdn Bhd
»Secured Business Civic from Honda Malaysia Sdn Bhd
»Secured Business Saga-R from Proton Holding Bhd
»Secured Business Perdana-R from Proton Holding Bhd
»Secured Business Persona-R from Proton Holding Bhd
»Secure Business Axia Sedan from Perodua Global Manufacturing Sdn Bhd
Axia Sedan!!!
Perdana R price Rm120k? Gila ke ape. Bagus aku beli Toyota Altis.
Persona R price Rm60k? Mehh. Bagus aku beli Perodua Sedan.
Saga R price Rm45k? Pfffttt. Baik aku layan Perodua Sedan.
So the conclusion, Proton tetap bungkus.
Accordana D segment while Altis C segment, lower variant for sure moving coffin
Stupid comments of the year
Where have you been in a while? In cave?
5 star Australian NCAP preve is not a joke, only p2 still no improvement since ages
P1 parts come from UMW is a joke
How about perodua supply engine n transmission to proton and proton collects royalty by letting perodua use iriz body? Of course it will be rebadge.
I think it is a smart move for Proton and Perodua to share engines… this could be the start of great collaboration between the two..
Perodua gets new engine from X, everyone says good news. Proton gets new engine from Y, everyone semua kutuk.
Perodua rebadges cars from W, everyone says awesome. Proton rebadres cars from Z, everyone semua kutuk.
I havr this feeling in the next 1-2 years that Toyota will come up with all-new Vios platform to challenge the City & thus, donate the current Vios body to Perodua.UMW knew that they are losing the battle againts Honda, and to gain some ground, why not profiting from its subsidiary, Perodua? After all, a reskinned Vios with Perodua badge @rm50-60k will sell like hot cakes (no matter how less the safety features they put in!!!l
I also have the feeling that Perodua sedan will finally seal Proton’s fate to close shop and packing away to Bangladesh.
Better moving coffin p2 to close shop
Gives me the feeling of 1NR-FE (for new myvi) & 2NR-FE (for sedan), the 2NR-FE is without VVT and produces comparatively lower torque, 1500cc engine with 132Nm, not very promising.
as long as with better fuel consumption and same power delivery.
Our fuel price is going higher and higher.
u want power?
buy a secondhand car.
Why p2 no turbo engine?
Nanti bocor like p1
Lol dun say keicar before got no turbo engines. Why no until now in bolehland?
mmm… can it be 2NR-FKE 1.5l, the engine used in the new Toyota Sienta launched few days ago??
If yes, bagus bagus !!!
Dun like ARS face. Like a bad guy thinking suck more money from idiots
Jangan cakap banyak.. tak suka diam je.. orang lain usaha untuk maju kan lagi malaysia.. yg segelintir ni tak habis2 komen negatif.. berubah la.. jadi la orang yg positif.. jangan meludah ke langit.. nanti kena kepala sendiri
Why cannot talk? We even mention p1 in bmw thread why not p2 in p2 thread?
It is much more interesting when they build 8NR-FTS.
Since Perodua is planning to provide drive train for other companies,
it is high time to remove all local car industry protection right
Although I’m not a supporter of Perodua, I still feel they deserve praise for their achievements in the last few years. They’re a modest company with modest aims, they don’t take unnecessary risks. Of course, Perodua has a ton of room for improvement… starting with their safety emphasis, their export markets and most challengingly, the depth of their Research & Development into new models.
But anyway, I’ll leave that matter for another day. I would like to congratulate Perodua and Daihatsu on the progress of their new engine plant in Sendayan, I’m sure it will take them to new heights when it’s completed, just like their second plant in Rawang/ Serendah which produces the Axia today.
I feel that there’s nothing wrong if Proton decides to buy transmissions from Perodua. Currently, Proton imports their transmissions from the following companies;
– Punch Powertrain (Belgium)
– Getrag (Germany)
– Jatco (Japan)
However, I do not know exactly which country Proton imports from (either European, Chinese, ASEAN or Japanese etc.) because all of the above companies have multiple factories around the world.
Punch supplies the CVTs for the Saga FLX, Exora Bold, Prevé, Suprima S and Iriz. Getrag manual transmissions are used in the same models above. For Proton’s older models like the Persona, Satria Neo, Inspira and Exora CPS, Jatco transmissions are used (both manual and auto). Jatco supplies transmissions to Nissan and Mitsubishi as well.
It’s expensive to import transmissions and there’s a lot of import and excise tax involved, because Proton does not manufacture the transmissions in Malaysia. Even if they do, they still have to pay royalties which is another problem.
Proton has never made their own transmissions, but they have made their own engines under the CamPro nameplate. While Proton saves on royalty costs by making their own engines, they have not been able to develop all-new engines (they’ve only improved on the original CamPro design from 2004’s Gen-2). Developing new engines is costly, and could stretch into the BILLIONS of ringgit. In comparison, Proton can develop an all-new model from around RM500 million. And that’s just the engine, mind you, the transmissions are a whole new story, and so are the airbags, BCM, ESC and whatnot.
Which is why Proton has to import transmissions today while they work on developing all-new engines for future models. So since Proton has to import gearboxes anyway, why not get them from Perodua ? Proton will save on import and excise taxes, and customers will benefit from even cheaper models. Perodua uses Akashi Kikai transmissions and Daihatsu/ Toyota engines, which they manufacture under license in Malaysia. If Proton imports automatic transmissions from Perodua (and possibly manual transmissions too), they will reduce capital outflow and strengthen our economy. On Perodua’s end, they will gain more economies of scale and hence more profits in the long run. The only problem I can see is that Proton may have a binding contract with Punch Powertrain and whether they like it or not, Proton must use their CVTs until the contract expires. OR, Proton may not have enough money to buy better transmissions from Aisin or Jatco. This is PURELY my speculation and I cannot confirm it, but I feel that’s the case here because Proton knows their CVTs aren’t very good and yet they still use them (albeit with yearly improvements of course).
However, for the upcoming Suzuki-based A-segment Proton, I feel that Proton should just use Suzuki engines and transmissions instead. It will make for good competition against Perodua’s Axia. If Proton uses the Axia’s 1.0 engine and auto/manual, Perodua will have a monopoly and that means less incentive to move forward. As such, if Proton wants to buy transmissions from Perodua, they should buy for their B-segment models ONLY. Perodua’s 4-speed E-AT would be a joke in the Prevé and Suprima S, it’s only suitable for the Saga and Iriz. There’s no need to buy manuals from Perodua, because the current Getrag ones are excellent already, but if it saves on costs, I don’t see why not.
” Built there will be 1.3 and 1.5 litre mills from Toyota’s NR engine family. ”
Perodua is interested to supply 1.3L and 1.5L new Toyota NR engine to Proton. Other than just Axia 1.0 21km/L engine.
If not mistaken macai said Punch gearbox bikin kat China, company saja dari Belgium.
After this some people come and say BMW parts also from China
Your cellphone also uses parts from China
Why always associate China with subpar quality?
Have u ever heard of FoxCon China which is main Apple Samsung supplier? Do u even know that most laptops sourced parts from China?
That’s why Proton better rent contract out its half-empty factory to assemble 1 million units of Perodua sedan car soon.
Suzuki can never have 1 million car sales potential unlike Perodua. Time to face the reality or close shop.
The old 4-speed auto gearboxes are from Mitsubishi, which have since been produced locally.
Only the Inspira’s CVT is from Jatco.
The current Punch CVTs come from Punch’s factory in China and hasn’t been localized.
Proton used Akashi Kikai’s manual transmissions for the Saga BLM and FL but it proved to be crappy, so they changed to Getrag manual transmissions for Saga FLX, Preve and subsequent models.
If Proton were to get the engines and gearboxes from Perodua, it would be a step backwards from the direction that they’re taking, i.e. moving away from 4-speed autos and low-capacity N/A engines
Tau takpe
Campro-based engines will soon be replaced , expected within the next 2-3 years with more advanced (in-house & consultant) designs, and that’s not even counting the Petronas & possibly Suzuki engines.So Proton is not short on engine options, why want to source from Perodua????
“Developing new engines is costly, and could stretch into the BILLIONS of ringgit.”
That’s why Mercedes/Smart is using Renault engines, Renault/Nissan is using Mercedes engines, Ford is using Peugeot engines, BMW/Mini is using Peugeot engines, Mazda and Ford are sharing engines, etc. etc.
Could be that the updated Vios when it comes could get the NR engines from here instead, since in China, they already use the NR engine already. And after all since Perodua and Toyota are under the same group here, it is possible.
1NR engine? No, thanks
See folks, being a Malaysian-flag bearer isn’t just about being a home made product. Being a flag-bearer means you also help fellow Malaysians with employment opportunity, skills advancement and raising the standard of living. Make this home of ours lovable to live in.
This Daihatsu-Perodua JV is one act that is exemplary. You strive and you thrive not at the expense of others.
Helping MAS and Proton sustain their business is a commendable act, but there’s only so much a man can do. When you have a rotting leg due to diabetic, you have to chop it off, so the doctors said.
OMG you cannot listen to those rotting-leg-chop-it-medication only because more and more advanced techniques are coming in
Advanced technique pun tak guna, fikiran sama kuno macam 30 tahun dulu. Protection Melayu diutamakan
Anywhere got protections, why so much fuss?
If still fail better close shop and retire in Bangladesh.
Fail what? To be real moving coffin?
Now this make more sense for Proton. Proton will never get it, no matter how many new models or marketing gimmick Proton is trying to stage, the average Malaysian car buyers will continue to shun Proton, because it is a…. Proton. Proton as a brand name, has been synonymized with lousy quality, rattling dashboard, lousy fit and finish, always broken, lousy SC, lousy engine, fuel guzzling engine…. etc.
Now, by putting Perodua’s drivetrain in Proton car, this certainly helps to mitigate the negative perception people has towards Proton car, bacause Perodua has what Proton doesn’t – Perception. Stats don’t lie, for Proton fanboys, don’t come here and argue that Proton make its own car, Perodua is merely rebadging cars bla bla bla…. Show me how many cars Proton sold compared to Perodua, that’s a bitter fact for Proton fanboys to swallow. Face is not important, survival is. Only if Proton is able to understand this simple fact.
The PRIME and ONLY purpose for a business to exist is to MAKE PROFIT, and to make profit, you gotta give what the market wants. If not, you are not doing business, you are simply syiok sendiri.
Most Malaysian car buyers prefer cheap, reliable and fuel saving cars, most carbuyers ain’t give two shit about of ESP and airbags. the selling stats of Toyoya and Perodua tells all, why is it so hard for Proton to comprehend? Proton certainly fail miserably in creating cars which are cheap, reliable and fuel saving. Putting up a big advertisement in TopGear magazine emphasising about safety isn’t gonna help either, because that’s not the market wants. Business that ignores market demand is doomed to fail, however, Proton has a big cashcow to continue its syiok sendiri failing business- the taxpayer.
Lol old lame engines, p1 can make much better engines. It’s not worth to use.
Wow… the Perodua is gonna make the NR engine… hope that they will make the 2NR-FKE 1500cc (the same engine used in the newly launch Toyota Sienta in Japan.
And imagine that this 2NR-FKE is used in the Myvi 1.5, Alza 1.5, Vios 1.5 and Avanza 1.5 !!!
Why not HSD engine?
Perodua engine my ass.
What is Perodua’s design input?
Let’s call a spade a spade.
Its a Toyota engine plant in Nogori (not a prefecture in Japan).
And don’t keep harping about Proton’s cronies.
Who do you think own big chunk of Perodua?
da hell..no from perodua..it’s like you buy oppo hp from low yat