Proton Iriz meets Euro 4 regulations, foreign engines considered for markets with Euro 5 and above

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At the press conference of the new Proton Iriz today, company chairman Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamed confirmed that Proton’s new B-segment hatchback meets Euro 4 emissions regulations with the current 1.3 and 1.6 litre VVT engines.

However, he said the company is looking to acquire new powertrains to meet stricter Euro 5 standards and higher (the European Union has already enforced Euro 6 standards for the approval of new vehicles at the beginning of this month) in other markets, and that may involve getting engines from other manufacturers.

“Meeting Euro 5 requires a new engine. We are working on getting a new engine, maybe not our own because it takes about five years to develop a new engine, and we cannot wait five years. We may have to source the engine from abroad so as to comply with Euro 5 standards.”

Dr Mahathir also said that the Iriz with the VVT engines can still be sold in markets where Euro 5 regulations are still current, but penalties may be incurred onto the company.

This announcement is intriguing to say the least – Proton currently has ties with Honda, and the former PM previously stated that the company was in talks with several Japanese companies regarding future collaborations. Prime minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak, on the other hand, said that Proton has signed an agreement with Geely to expand the former’s market in China, adding that it may produce cars based on Geely models.

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After trying to pursue a career in product design, Jonathan Lee decided to make the sideways jump into the world of car journalism instead. He therefore appreciates the aesthetic appeal of a car, but for him, the driving experience is still second to none.

 

Comments

  • Krasher on Sep 25, 2014 at 10:21 pm

    So now the old man is trying to tell us that our global car ain’t going global?!

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    • komen berfakta on Sep 26, 2014 at 12:54 am

      proton memang dah tahu awal2 lagi…kat sini saja nampak bagus kat luar sampah… itu sebab daripada GSC tukar jadi PCC

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      • YeapyEvo on Sep 26, 2014 at 1:32 am

        In earlier Iriz post I commented about Proton VVT engine itself is a factor it cannot be call a global car and this post prove that I am right.

        Proton supporters simply thumb down my post by ignoring the cruel reality.

        Euro has already started implementing Euro 6 regulation since 1st September 2014, there is no way a normal VVT engine can meet the strict regulation without going the the downsizing and turbocharged route.

        Anyway I have seen the Iriz, very impressed with the solid build quality that I have never seen it with any other Proton makes before, way better than the suppose flagship Suprima S and Preve. But the only thing is can Iriz prove itself over time in terms of reliability?

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        • Vader (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 7:49 am

          I think the engineering team had done their part and this Iriz is not bad and improved a lot from previous models.
          But the management just spoil it!!!
          A global car which target to enter global market, and try to claim RM1.7billion for its R&D purpose, at the end the engine still not meet requirement and need to outsource???
          Is a joke right? Do they really planning well before launched a new product?
          Some potong supporter may say engine development not cheap, you so clever then you build yourself… bla bla bla..
          But fact is fact, look back that DRB acquired all of Petronas’ engine technologies (7 engines) with the associated 117 technology patents at a cost of RM63 million.
          So the RM1.7billion (equal to RM1700 million) still not able to develop new engine that meet requirements?

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          • Same L0rrr on Sep 26, 2014 at 10:47 am

            End of the days, burnt so much money still can’t make a good engine.

            Solution is simple, go get a Toyota engine, then you can easily enter all markets in the world.

            You should have started sourcing Toyota engine (like Perodua) in the very beginning stage and spend your R&D money wisely.

            No need to build everything from scratch for “syok sendiri” feeling. Like our 86, Toyota chassis Subaru engine.

            Like Peyno said, Rakyat smart already, when can Proton get smarter????

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          • New Engine? on Sep 27, 2014 at 2:36 pm

            Why oh why the “new” engine has the same bore, stroke, displacement and compression ratio figure as the old Campro IAFM+? Even the torque and power figures are the same if the spec sheet on Proton’s website is to be trusted.

            Can’t wait for Paultan to feature this so called new engine with “new piston, new block and even new VVT”. This is something big unless it is just a Campro with VVT added…

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        • brazbuz on Sep 26, 2014 at 8:29 am

          And honda engine that we used here is still euro 3, except earth dream. That’s reality too… Owh our fuel standard is euro 2 too n that’s reality

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          • Same L0rrr on Sep 26, 2014 at 10:51 am

            GLOBAL Small Car (GSC) but can’t export to Europe?? LOL

            Never knew that Europe is on the moon.

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          • samelorsark on Sep 26, 2014 at 11:42 am

            Abbreviation of GSC later changed to PCC
            Get your fact right

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        • dont Buy Iriz with Proton engine.
          No RV.

          Later New Proton, got Honda Engine.

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          • Same L0rrr on Sep 26, 2014 at 10:52 am

            We all are waiting for the perdana accord, less modification better.

            Proton’s bumper, skirting, spoiler are all crap!! Like the fugly Inspira.

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        • slewe on Sep 26, 2014 at 8:50 am

          The market is not only Europe, so Proton can still export to other continent that doesn’t implement the standard.

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          • Peynoo on Sep 26, 2014 at 11:23 am

            European cars like handling, interior, design and tests but can’t export to Europe???

            Is like you selling sushi that banned from Japan. lol…

            Millions spent for what?

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          • GotFuel on Sep 26, 2014 at 5:14 pm

            Other place got people want meh?

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        • ProtonGSC on Sep 26, 2014 at 8:52 am

          Can’t agreed more, m’sia Automotive industry keep lacking and leaving behind because of “too much protections on P1”.

          Things didn’t changed much seen TDrM days and current najib kor century.

          Malaysia Automotive moving backward.

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          • Motorhead (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 11:05 am

            You get the point.

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          • Same L0rrr on Sep 26, 2014 at 11:25 am

            You are right! Whoever talk and blow so much of Proton, actually don’t own a Proton. Look at the VVIPs yesterday morning then you will know.

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          • samelorsark on Sep 26, 2014 at 11:50 am

            Proton needs protection because too many fake Japs cars and people got conned.

            Example? Vios engine only meets Euro 3/4 only. Nothing to shout about.

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          • Same L0rrr on Sep 26, 2014 at 12:41 pm

            Time to use your brain and think further!
            Why Malaysian get Euro 3/4 engine from Toyota? Because Toyota Euro 5 engine is TOO EXPENSIVE!

            Why too expensive? Because high tax imposed to protect Proton!!!

            Prius/ Prius C engine are in fact Euro 5 compliant. You got money to buy (RM153k and RM213k)??

            Every ridiculous thing is because of Proton.

            Faham?

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          • vti-L on Sep 26, 2014 at 2:45 pm

            Last time checked Accord 2.4l in Thai cost 180K, almost similar like here.

            Thai has no national automaker like Proton in bolehland, why ar?

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    • prabowi on Sep 26, 2014 at 8:08 am

      No surprise here. VVT is so 10 years ago. Even perodua have been using VVT since 2004. Should have skip the VVT route n go for DI FI instead. New engine is hardly new. Global car term probably a marketing gimmick.

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    • Motorhead (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 8:54 am

      Mari abg motorhead add more news on this matter.. byk lg x masuk.. I masuk sikit2. .

      …”This also implies that Proton will not be able to export the Iriz to many developed markets unless it produces an engine that meets Euro-6 emission standard.

      The short-term solution would be for Proton to source the engine from other manufacturers.
      “To develop an engine, it usually takes four to five years. We cannot wait so it is better for us to acquire it from other party,” said Tun Dr. Mahathir….”

      TADA ENJIN.. KITA BELI ENJIN. ..

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    • wajunk on Sep 26, 2014 at 9:12 am

      Mana itu Peyno? Keluar sekarang defend your crap Campro.

      Macam sial punya fanboy.

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    • If you check properly, you’ll find that only the door handle at the driver’s side has the button to lock/unlock the door with the smart key. How much does it cost to have another button on the other side as well? It shows that Proton is only interested to mislead buyers by saying they have this and that but provide only partial solutions. There could be many more “missing” features which are hidden.

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      • Super Saiyan (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 10:06 am

        do u want ur car to unlock other doors when u r alone in parking area? it is for safety.

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        • Same L0rrr on Sep 26, 2014 at 11:12 am

          Our Toyota keyless system also can lock/unlock from the passenger side door. How inconvenience it is if you have to go driver side door to lock/unlock every time?

          Is like to on your master bedroom light, you need to go your living room the main fuse box to switch it every time.

          Partial implementation and claim the credit. Yes, this is Proton.

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        • Super Saiyan 2 on Sep 26, 2014 at 11:21 am

          Dude.. I think you better go and try before comment.
          The driver’s side of unlock button only activated when the smart key approached to the sensor. It won’t activate the passenger’s side of unlock button because it is different sensor to the smart key to activate :)

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        • rally_fan (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 11:52 am

          totally agree on the safety aspect.. if all your doors can be opened when you approach your car with your key.. an intruder can easily hide and get into your car from the opposite side once you are near the car.

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          • I think you misunderstand and have not tried how to use a keyless entry system. There are steps to unlock a car with the keyless entry system and it won’t unlock just by approaching the car.

            If you have use a keyless entry system like the one in Honda City the door can only unlock when you are standing beside the door and put your hand at the door handle. Should another person place his hand at the passenger door handle before you unlock the door on the driver side the system will not work as it detects an unknown entry on the passenger side without a key.

            This system is in fact safer as normally when we use a normal remote control, we would unlock our car from a distance before getting into the car. With a keyless entry you have to practically stand within a meter from the door and place your hands to the door sensor before you can unlock your car.

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    • jaguh shit on Sep 26, 2014 at 11:33 am

      Typical jaguh kampung. Global to proton means Malaysia, daerah, mukim, kampung, hutan dan semak samun.

      Maybe the orang asli, iban and kadazan will like this proton.

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    • mascaretaker on Sep 27, 2014 at 9:04 am

      lol how many nation use euro5 and 6? can u share info

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    • ProtonSyokSendiri on Oct 01, 2014 at 12:34 am

      Bergegar2 promosi Iriz sbg global car..
      rupanya pusing2 kampung jugak…
      penipu besar.. kosmetik sana sini mcm gempak.. tp engine outdated..??
      karutlah Proton.. tunggu 50 tahun lagi lah.
      mcm dh kena sumpah.
      xboleh keluar kampung..
      20 tahu dulu punya doa org2 terainaya yg terkena dgn Proton..no compensation.
      nah smpai skrg CURSED.. cannot go any where la…

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  • NemoX on Sep 25, 2014 at 10:25 pm

    They should source Honda diesel engine for European market with 6 speed M/T as this engine is very popular in there…..

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    • ya I do agree with u on that…but the problem is the price…now just vvt is alrdy cost u this much…once if their put the diesel engine…the price…lol

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  • Angkat Bodek Culture on Sep 25, 2014 at 10:26 pm

    That person in blue next to TUN. He is the Chairman of DRB

    Remember that face. That is the face of how a BALL CARRIER look like.

    Anyone hear the speech he made on the launch will understand what I mean. Simply shows he is without substance but only a ball carrier

    Please remember that TUN detest lazy malays.. esp those that angkat bodek him

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    • driver on Sep 26, 2014 at 1:12 am

      you mean that shiiinee guy? I don’t like to judge his overall personality, but specifically on his speech this morning… I didn’t feel comfortable as well. No substance, or anything related directly to Iriz. Nonsense. If given an opportunity, I would like to ask him, how many models of proton has he owned?

      Back to the topic of this posting.. I foresee that using a different engine for outside market vs local market will create more mess. Understand the need for complying with stricter regulation, but ain’t that double standard? Kera di hutan disusukan right? But, please… until this actually happen, don’t judge them.

      To proton, if this is definitely your plan forward, then please think of something as compensation for us rakyat for having stuck with the Euro 4 engine (hybrid? cheaper price?). More importantly, if that engine has a better FC, it’s definitely going to be a ruckus to proton image. Iriz has just started to fix the bad impression. Making a mistake is bad, but repeating the mistake will destroy the reconciling trust that is happening right now.

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    • sudonano (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 10:33 am

      He took ball carrying to a whole new level.

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  • steven on Sep 25, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    Why don’t just use iVTEC engine from Honda for all models? I’m pretty sure sales will at least double up!

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  • jolly_idiot (Member) on Sep 25, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    Hahaha… after so many years finally we came out our own maCampro. Now gotta scrap it coz not comply euro 5. Then gotta back to where we started. REBADGE with other engine.

    Proton best. Dr.M best. Malaysia boleh.

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    • Annoynimouse on Sep 25, 2014 at 11:26 pm

      Sharing platforms and powertrains are a common thing in the automotive industry nowadays… in case you haven’t noticed.
      E.g. Volvos, Mazdas and Ford share their platforms and engines. As long as it works…

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    • MoFaz (Member) on Sep 25, 2014 at 11:37 pm

      they’re not saying they can’t build it, they just don’t have time. and they need the engine now for Iriz to penetrate UK/European market. so, for now they take engine from their partner. but at the same time perhaps developing engine for the future standards.

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      • no time…what a stupid answer…how old alredy the proton?….this means that their are all sleeping n count money before that…if not what their doing?… what a shame…

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        • keyel on Sep 26, 2014 at 2:56 pm

          Japs also needs time to produce own engine. If muti-national company, that’s different story.

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    • rajinikan on Sep 26, 2014 at 12:34 am

      i guess ur forget about pro2 rebadge daihatsu. oh ya i tink u forget daihatsu actually rebadge toyota cars. oh ya i tink u forget toyota use subaru engine for their cars. why toyota use subaru engine when they have so many years of developing hi performance n hi durability engine. maybe u can start by critising akio toyoda. JAPAN BOLEH.

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    • komen berfakta on Sep 26, 2014 at 12:57 am

      hahaha dah sama taraf dgn perodua je… ingatkan bagus sangat…

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      • driver on Sep 26, 2014 at 1:22 am

        well.. at least they don’t just change the bumper (and name). right?

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    • Krasher on Sep 26, 2014 at 3:18 am

      This car suppose to be the turnover point for Proton to sell it globally that they bragged over and over again in the news before it was even launched!!
      Now only noticed cannot sell to Europe kah?! Ptuiiiii!

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    • maCAMPRO..dats a good one.anyways this car I think is proper enough for our market and it deserves proper support as well for it to be better.if you need a compact, value for money, 5 stars ASEAN NCAP, 4/5 stars EURO NCAP, EURO 5 compliant, reasonably reliable car, you know there’s one little Kimchi that is available.Heard it will come up with 7 airbags and increased safety features.but again,as far as the p1 goes,IRIZ can be considered as ok la jugak.Kudos p1!

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  • AVH (Member) on Sep 25, 2014 at 10:30 pm

    acquire new powertrains?

    Currently as official, Proton has ties with Honda, and Honda has plans to replace all of its 2.0l VTEC K20 series with 1.5l Turbo coupled CVT( a Preve!) including the upcoming next-gen Civic. Its official as of now that the 2.0l K20 engined JDM Honda Stepwagon will be the first in line to recieve the engine. Honda itself is rushing to get new engine in European models and the Civic Type-R will be the first to get these new engines.

    Than again what about the Preve’s engine, I thought it was claim to be Euro V capabled.

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    • nabill (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 12:14 am

      well , the assumption is based on if they choose honda …
      maybe , thy wil go for toyota , based on the fact that toyota is alot bigger than honda in europe , and seeing how closely lotus is working with toyota for their engines,and the fact that toyota have few more small engines that suits the iriz like the 1.0 and the 1.33cc that thy have in their aygo and the yaris,which is similar to size to the iriz…
      i jus dont think the 1.5cc turbo engine from honda wil be in a B class car , its probably made for the civic n similar sized segment cars as u mentioned..
      anyway can only speculate at this moment…

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      • AVH (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 12:23 am

        Probably, Toyota diddn’t pop into mind partly because well….. I’am currently in paultan. Other than that, we have Mazda or Nissan, Both are enjoying some degree of success in Europe with their Turboed engine(Nissan) and DI-tech.

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    • kadajawi (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 1:41 am

      This makes sense. Customers in Europe will be a bit worried when they hear Proton engine. Workshops don’t know anything about it, they don’t know how reliable it will be, etc. What they need in that car is an engine Europeans are familiar with, something every outside workshop can deal with. IMHO that does not speak for the Japanese, because Japanese cars aren’t very popular in Europe, spare parts can be a bit expensive etc..

      If I were Proton I’d be looking at the TCe 90 and TCe 120 engines from Renault. They are modern, efficient, clean, and Renault has a good track record. Besides, Renault is one of the companies that doesn’t mind selling their engines to anyone, and these engines are used not only in Renault cars. Dacia and Nissan should be using them, and I believe Mercedes too. And finally Proton has been Renault customer before, so there is some precedent.

      A diesel engine should be available too, IMHO.

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      • Jacky on Sep 26, 2014 at 8:53 am

        no you are wrong.

        Toyota manufacture in Germany.
        Honda manufacture in Swindon, UK
        Nissan is from Sunderland, UK.

        Their parts are super widely available. Majority European prefer Japanese car over french technology. If you have any fren from Europe, you will know.
        My swiss fren totally into Subaru, reliable, fast and reasonable price.

        Japanese cars are popular there, not far off from VW. They are good and reliable

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        • Peynoo on Sep 26, 2014 at 11:15 am

          They are all JDM wannabe, like P2.

          Only cars made in Japan are real japanese cars!

          Rakyat smart already, why European still bodoh?

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        • Heng Lee on Sep 26, 2014 at 11:44 am

          You’re ‘super popular’ Toyota has a market share of 4 to 5% in Europe.

          Subaru is only popular in tiny switzerland because of four-wheel drive and the snow covered swiss alps.

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      • go big on Sep 26, 2014 at 10:31 am

        A diesel engine will open up a lot of market for proton they should really consider countries that prefer using diesel like india and many other euro countries. Is time proton think bigger.

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      • burn69 on Sep 26, 2014 at 11:42 am

        Another renault. Oh please. It will be another disaster like proton sawi.

        See how many sawi left on the road side or outside mechanic workshop and owner not bother to even collect it.

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    • iskhalifah (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 1:14 pm

      Honda also have this new 1.5 Direct Injection engine (not sure if its Euro6 compliant, but since its new, why not) which I’m pretty confident that can be fitted to the Iriz, if Proton chooses the NA route instead of turbo.

      Another engine that is very efficient, light & powerful is the Mazda Skyactive 1.5, which is found in the Mazda3 sold in Singapore. Surprisingly it’s quite powerful for a C-segment car & yet frugal! Early this year, research reports mentioned that Bermaz may bring it as CKD. Hope it materializes soon.

      So Proton, either the 1.5 Honda DI engine or 1.5 Mazda Skyactive, both are fantastic options that can be equipped on Iriz and Preve too.

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  • Pinky on Sep 25, 2014 at 10:33 pm

    After 500million of R&D for a “Global” car, now they say they want to buy engines from others.. Well done Proton! I bet the money they spent on buying the engines will be 10x more than the money they could get back from exporting this car..

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    • driver on Sep 26, 2014 at 1:26 am

      That was partly my concern. Unless it was a diesel engine, than it’s a different story.

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    • Motorhead (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 12:04 pm

      Worst.. you ll get rojak cars.. enjin outsource. . Gears pon outsource. . Semua pon beli lain2 org…

      R&D??? You think lah.

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  • mesinrumput on Sep 25, 2014 at 10:41 pm

    look at the engine cross section…the VVT thing use belt eh? is it better than chain?

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    • gdntsk (Member) on Sep 25, 2014 at 11:38 pm

      I only know that timing belt has to be replaced after every 100000 km whereas timing chain has to be fixed or replaced (not too sure which one) after 300000 km

      Want me to say something? The cost to replace a Proton Preve IAFM+ timing belt after 100000 km is more than RM130 according to a person who wrote (and complained) to Proton on their official Facebook page. That was what I saw.

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      • RM130 every 100.000km sounds not too expensive.

        The belt has some advantages over the chain btw: Better fuel economy is one…

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      • Low Budget on Sep 26, 2014 at 12:05 pm

        Changing Timing Belt Kit for only RM130, sure or not?

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  • eimsperfume on Sep 25, 2014 at 10:44 pm

    Reev?

    Hybrid please..

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    • iskhalifah (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 1:07 pm

      What happened to the Exora REEV project? If that technology is implemented into the Iriz, surely there’s no problem of achieving Euro 6 compliant.

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  • Anti-Fuel-Price on Sep 25, 2014 at 10:49 pm

    How bout Diesel Euro 4???

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  • Àlahai (Member) on Sep 25, 2014 at 10:51 pm

    Use vios’s engine of discussion. That engine is god level already (haha).

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  • hahaha on Sep 25, 2014 at 11:07 pm

    ughhh enough is enough!

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  • hardy on Sep 25, 2014 at 11:13 pm

    Apa laa cakap pasal timing chain…..tiada kena mengena dengan euro 5 pun……Euro 5 itu pengeluaran karbon dr ekzos kereta…..di euro mereka lebih menekan kebersihan alam sekitar….sekiranya kereta yg mereka hasilkan kurang karbon yg keluar dr ekzos….maka pengecualian cukai akan diberikan pada kereta tersebut dan harga kereta itu secara tak langsung akan jd lebih murah….di malaysia belum ada system sebegitu …..mungkin takkan ada sebab kerajaan pun mcm tak berminat nak jadikan itu sebagai 1 contoh pada semua pengeluar kereta di malaysia.

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    • komen berfakta on Sep 26, 2014 at 12:59 am

      kalau kerajaan malaysia buat jugak ..proton la bungkus dulu…

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    • Hardy…I believe you pun tak tahu apa itu Euro 5. Apatah lagi perbezaan antara Euro 5 dan Euro 6. Pegi dah. Sembang je lebih. Ptuihhh!

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    • john hybrid on Sep 26, 2014 at 1:51 pm

      Insentif hybrid CKD pun macam nak dihentikan penghujung tahun ini sahaja… Insentif Hybrid CBU dah tak disambung.

      Kalau govt teruskan insentif2 ni, (dan juga memperkenalkan peraturan berkenaan emission) mungkin akan menyebabkan Proton bungkus dulu. AP dikekalkan sebab dapat bantu govt kutip eksais dan cukai dan melindungi Proton

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  • Syazwan007 on Sep 25, 2014 at 11:16 pm

    Isnt campro cfe euro 5 compliant? Why dont proton use that engine? Or the petronas engine bought 2 years ago. Develop that to meet euro 5, rather than develop new ones from the ground up..

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    • Hi hi on Sep 25, 2014 at 11:50 pm

      That one you need another RM500 m to refine that engine further before they can use it on iriz!

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      • Krasher on Sep 26, 2014 at 3:21 am

        Hahaha!! Now I understand the reason behind why the oldman bring this up.

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  • botolsusu on Sep 25, 2014 at 11:20 pm

    Hahaha. Peyno. There i told u. Ur proton engine is just as good as the kembara engine from 10 years ago. Both of them today are useless for export. Tun smart oredi, he also know proton cannot do. Only rakyat like u still not smart. Go back to your tempurung.

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  • Aero (Member) on Sep 25, 2014 at 11:27 pm

    This is an excuse, and Proton knows it.

    The current CamPro CFE / CPS is not good or green enough to compete with the engines from the mainstream manufacturers. Even the ‘new’ 1.3 and 1.6 VVT engines in the Iriz are not good enough. The CamPro CFE may be Euro V compliant, but emissions are higher than the crucial 100g/km mark. Power and torque figures are just not as good as an equivalent Ford EcoBoost engine either. In an age where efficiency and emissions matter more than power and size, Proton is set at a huge disadvantage in terms of engine technology.

    Anyway, Proton should do what they must. If they really want to stand a chance at tackling the United Kingdom, let alone the European Union countries, Proton will need a better, more efficient and more refined engine and transmission combo. Better get a diesel too. I understand a hybrid and electric (no pun intended) Proton is on the way, and if those turn out well, especially the electric Proton, then Proton will have it a lot easier.

    Good luck to you Proton, don’t disappoint us. We are counting on your turn-around plan !

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    • nabill (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 12:28 am

      ur last sentence , i feel that i have said that for every single proton model b4 it comes out !

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    • Jacky on Sep 26, 2014 at 9:17 am

      forget about it mates, our life been F for so many years.

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  • gdntsk (Member) on Sep 25, 2014 at 11:32 pm

    I just checked the Proton Edar website and I discovered that front foglights are exclusive only for the 1.6 Executive trim and I’m wondering: does the DRLs on the 1.6 Premium come with a second fog light function?

    On another note, I personally won’t recommend the 1.3 CVT versions but go for the 1.6 CVT versions instead because I found out that the kerb weight of the 1.3 Standard CVT is already 1150 kg which I consider as too heavy for a car with a 1.3 litre engine with conventional automatic or CVT gearbox and it’s gonna be underpowered if compared with the Myvi 1.3(AT) SE/Premium which is 970 kg (kerb weight), that’s 180 kg lighter than the Iriz 1.3(CVT) Standard. Both engines’ power and torque figures (on paper) don’t have a significant difference so I assume that both the Myvi’s K3-VE and Iriz’s 1.3 VVT are almost similar in terms of power and torque in the real world.

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  • pondan on Sep 25, 2014 at 11:33 pm

    Hahahaha… Mana penyu eh… Sticking your head in your balless shell. Still wanna carry proton balls?

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    • Low Budget on Sep 26, 2014 at 12:11 pm

      Perhaps on medical leave, having severe migraine due to overdose of Poison Iriz.

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  • botolsusu on Sep 25, 2014 at 11:34 pm

    What a disaster… just launch new car… so full of hope and then this car cannot export europe… euro taste la, euro handling la, urban la hahahha… u just made my day master tun. Proton tutuplah.. buat malu saja. Where is your export volume now?

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    • gdntsk (Member) on Sep 25, 2014 at 11:41 pm

      They better find ways to sell the Iriz in Europe since they managed to do winter testing on the Iriz!!

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      • botolsusu on Sep 26, 2014 at 12:06 am

        Good point. Test in europe for what then? In case it snow in tanjung malim? Rakyat smart oredi hahaha.

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        • CeoDF on Sep 26, 2014 at 8:36 am

          Huh? Do you think all the parts and gadgets are plug and play kah?

          At least for that equipments they dun have to test it again when new engine are deployed later.

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    • komen berfakta on Sep 26, 2014 at 1:03 am

      itu la sebab GSC tukar jadi PCC… takut malu la tu
      nak jual kat eropah pun tak lepas…

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  • pro staff on Sep 25, 2014 at 11:38 pm

    Euro V is for diesel. Euro 5 for petrol. U proton engineer also dont know difference ah?

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    • alldisc on Sep 26, 2014 at 2:48 am

      euro 6 for petrol is also in the pipeline.

      go read.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_emission_standards

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    • DrCooper on Sep 26, 2014 at 6:42 am

      No it’s not, the 1,2,3~5 numerical is for light vehicle doesn’t matter PETROL or DIESEL…roman is for heavy trucks and buses…you also actually don’t know difference ah ?

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  • Alex (Member) on Sep 25, 2014 at 11:45 pm

    No fuel consumption figure for 1.3? Guess the ‘smaller’ engine consume more again. Damn this market practise, down stroke an original engine just so the original can be sold at premium, at cost of both efficiency and output of the ‘smaller’, smaller in displacement not the engine alone. Bet it could weigh slightly more due to extra metal in the block. And also, dohc with single vvt? Why? Why go through trouble for dohc then? Duh……

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  • Old dog on Sep 25, 2014 at 11:47 pm

    So all lies are finally expose…why spent money go test in Europe then? All protong project developed are pure conning local, n the global words are cheating the rakyat money like normal…r n d my ssssss, no economy of scale but for cronies…

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  • BLT_Club on Sep 25, 2014 at 11:47 pm

    R&D konon, GCC konon. Buat malu aje. I was hoping Proton would prove us wrong. In the end, same old story. Test the car overseas but can’t even get the engine to comply with regulations there. Kebodohan yang keterlaulan. Hate to say this but Same Loor is right in the end, it’s just syiok sendiri and other engine manufacturers reap the rewards. If that’s the case, save all that R&D money and just close down. Better use to research agricultural products/ medicine etc.

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    • It’s not only for engine test, the safety systems, the steering, gearbox, chassis, etc. Do you think a car only relies on engine alone? If you dun know better shut up or you just show your stupidity.

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      • BLT_Club on Sep 26, 2014 at 11:03 am

        Ohhh I hit a nerve.. Personal attack much? Read my comment acehole, what is the point of doing worldwide testing if you cannot sell the car in those markets? Why bother develop a new engine that’s is not compliant and call it a Global Car when there will be penalties incurred when selling a car with a non-compliant engine? And then spend more money sourcing from other manufacturers? Proton called this Iriz a Global Car, not me. Transmission test, really? Does it snow in Tg Malim acehole? Also want to do something, do it right the first time. Not by piecemeal. This is a so called national car. It’s turning out to be a national joke.

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        • No need to test second time, you dun read?
          Global Car? They changed it to Compact Car, again you dun read?

          Even you yourself can take the pace, you want other people go faster? Haiz.

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  • The world is laughing at you proton. Look at the 3 guys on top… tun so old… drb bodek guy.. ceo which look like he dontwant to be there in the first place… launch car at factory coz cannot afford venue in town… slogan like mat rempit wanna hump bohsia… dancing kids look like they never had practice… now global car cannot go global…. hahahahahahha i join the world

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    • old dog on Sep 26, 2014 at 11:14 pm

      the $$ is spent for the car testing in a country that cant sell to…

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  • So peyno….compare this to the jepun celup vios engine still meets euro 5 although it’s old engine….what say you?

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    • alldisc on Sep 26, 2014 at 3:07 am

      unfortunately, that vios engine is also not euro 5 compliance.

      reference
      http://www.toyotasingapore.com.sg/cars/new_cars/vios/specs.aspx
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_emission_standards

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    • Vios engine meets Euro 5 std?

      HHHHHAaaaaaahhhhhhhhaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaah

      HHaaaaaaaaaahhhhahhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

      Haaaaahhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahhhh

      Hahhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhahhhhhhhhhhhh

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  • Annoynimouse on Sep 26, 2014 at 12:34 am

    My 2 kupang opinion. To meet the euro 5 standard for a gasoline engine, you have to have a high degree of downsizing (maybe down to 1.0 litre for this type of car) with high output forced induction, direct injection, vvt and plus a few more technologies. Beyond that, hybridization is inevitable. These technologies have yet to be embraced fully by Proton and requires a heavy investment to develop.
    Emissions aside, a consumer’s priority lies in fuel economy rather than emission ratings (at least majority of Malaysians do by the looks of it). So, I would definitely suggest start-stop technology to be introduced to Proton cars. Even though idling fc doesn’t count in standard drive cycles (eg. NEDC) and therefore wont improve the fc figures on the brochure, in reality it helps a great deal.. especially with our crazy traffic jams.

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    • In Europe, Euro 6 is in place since 1st of september already.

      S-Class and 7 series are still available with big petrol engines (although people like the diesels more).

      BTW: Even lorries are Euro 6 now (for instance the 640PS, 3000Nm, 15.2 litre D3876 engine from MAN).

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    • Obviously (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 1:19 pm

      Mazda achieved Euro6-compliant engines without downsizing by using a freakishly high (and freakishly low for their diesel) compression ratio.

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  • RakyatMalaysia on Sep 26, 2014 at 4:10 am

    WOW!! Just WOW!!
    I see a lot of automobile engineers, finance experts and international market analysts here.
    But the confusing part here, Malaysia still cannot be considered as a DEVELOPED nation despite the amount of experts and engineers that we have here.

    Again, just WOW. fuhhh

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  • The company need 5 years to develop Euro 5 engine – if that so, why they talk now? The process should started 5 years ago, simple. Euro 5 is not new, even they should think of Euro 6 already, even though still no standard. They should think for the tomorrow not yesterday!

    Cakap saja besar isi kosong. Main politik.

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    • Motorhead (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 9:40 am

      Pau duit gov utk R&D enjin.. dpt duit kita beli enjin. .

      The Proton chairman did not elaborate any further on the matter but earlier this year Tun Dr. Mahathir has said that Proton is in talks with several Japanese car manufacturers on the prospects of future collaborations.

      “We are looking at other Japanese automotive makers. Right now we are cooperating with Honda,” Tun Dr. Mahathir said in May 2014.

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    • another Savy on Sep 26, 2014 at 10:45 am

      agreed. That’s y now ProTun launched this Iriz as Myvi killer only in 2014 while Myvi already is a hot selling car since 2005. 5 years later, when ProTun reach Euro 5 standard, other car makers already producing Euro 10 standard car.

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  • ionlaw on Sep 26, 2014 at 8:29 am

    How bout foreign powertrain for me in Malaysia…

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  • Sparcov on Sep 26, 2014 at 8:33 am

    Please the current Preve CVT aren’t that smooth and sound rough, can we improve that? at least on par with Nissan CVT ?

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  • complies with europe standard but only selling in malaysia?

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  • azrai on Sep 26, 2014 at 8:37 am

    How about using Axia’s new non DVVT engine Tun? It is made in Malaysia. Good for our economy.

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  • Uncle KOK on Sep 26, 2014 at 8:38 am

    Tun… Thou sometimes I hated u for spurring racial speech while sometimes be the good guy try to bash BN. I cant help but give you credit for guiding Proton to where it is today. Tahniah Tun. However, Euro 4? But our shitty fuel only enough till Euro 2 or 3. Tun, ask the bunch of monkeys try to upgrade our fuel quality alil ok tak? Anywhere Tun. Semoga sihat sentiasa.

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  • another Savy on Sep 26, 2014 at 8:43 am

    What a joke…Why don’t you just tukar logo of other car and make it a proTun car? just exactly like what you did to ProTun accordana. Budaya copy cat, you cant ever make a good engine, this kind of mentality, how to go global? You can even beat perodua locally..

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  • kunun on Sep 26, 2014 at 8:56 am

    aku ingat test lama2 kat eropah, boleh jual kat eropah. baik test kat genting/sepang je. at least boleh improve handling

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  • Vemal on Sep 26, 2014 at 9:07 am

    Good & Reliable Engine with Cheaper car price tag for Foreign country……Lousy & Unreliable Engine with expensive car price tag for Malaysian???????????

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  • guest on Sep 26, 2014 at 9:25 am

    Really disappointed with Proton, make all the fuss while launching new car, says can go global, and now says cannot export to euro due to engine not meet requirement, bla bla bla…
    Need to ask Tun if possible, why you not invest the R&D to the Campro and integrate VVT into it? Although Campro engine is old school, but you have been fine tune it to meed euro 3, not to say after change the air intake module iAFM+ and the engine is a lot smoother to run, You can achieve that.. And now have to integrate the VVT to the Campro along with iAFM+ air intake module, that will easily make Campro euro 4 engine..
    To achive euro 5 and above, go for turbocharge, you have experience already in turbocharge the iAFM Campro, why need to build a new engine and not just focus to the Campro? Waste of money only to invest that much in the new engine but cannot go for euro 5/6..
    Please la, don’t waste people money and do things alang2, people is sick of this already..

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    • This VVT engine version of turbo is CFE / campro turbo. For B segment car it doesn’t have to go until 205Nm. That’s too much unless its performance variant (R / GTI)

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  • Dr.M/Proton & cronies,stop wasting time & money producing empty promise/rubbish excuse!!!!

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  • EmulateP2 on Sep 26, 2014 at 9:38 am

    Over 25 years, Proton have the decency now to announced that you need new engine to be a global car and you know to be competitive you have to innovative and raise standards of your products.

    What Proton R&D and Marketing department has been doing?

    When Proton start using foreign and it become not competitive in price for global market because big 5 auto player overrun Proton. It time Proton have to do soul-searching whether existing resources (skill / talent), funds and technology edge to do it in next 5 years.

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  • shawal on Sep 26, 2014 at 9:48 am

    I read in wikipedia that proton is developing a new 2.0 litre turbocharged engine for the preve and suprima S.
    “proton preve’s article”

    I’m a abit sceptical cuz wikipedia is user submitted article but then again, only proton engineers would have time to update those infos…

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  • outsource engine is normal . imagine infinite a premium brand currently using Mercedes engine

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    • another Savy on Sep 26, 2014 at 10:36 am

      Normal? that’s y infiniti would never beat Mercedes. Makan rasuah is normal lah, beli satu printer dengan 3 ribu is normal, university ranking dropping also is normal, kes rompak meningkat is also normal. With this kind of “everything is normal” mentality, still thinking “go global”, jokers…

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      • Motorhead (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 12:15 pm

        Joint ventures. . Yes normal. Beli enjin org.. only Plotong. .

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        • Shippy on Sep 26, 2014 at 2:51 pm

          That’s normal to auto-makers, from engine, gearbox, chassis, platform sharing, rebadging etc

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  • Garfield (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 10:34 am

    So many single lines and simplistic views here. We’ll probably see bashers saying P1 give more advanced (foreign) engines for Euro 5 markets and leave locals with old-tech ones. There is always something wrong with P1 as much as there is with UMW here giving 4-speed autos and dinosaur engines.

    The markets they want to venture into provides the answer to any strategy as well as the economies of scale. Even when P1 tries to introduce Renault engines here, the synergy didn’t work because the locals were not ready to pay the price (and mechanics not being familiar with different technologies than the Japs).

    It should be worthwhile for P1 to work with a foreign engine supplier for those markets. More avenues for their engineers to learn the dynamics of the engines and the market. They come back and educate the support team on the technologically advanced engine. THEN let the locals choose if they want to buy Iriz with the different engine (sell side-by-side with the current engine).

    They can start with a hot-hatch version, that way the premium that people pay for these cars are duly justified. Actually, VW had shown the way; they sold the Polo TSi over the years and for the local CKD market they have introduced a lower tech MPI engine with conventional 6-speed auto. It is not difficult to comprehend, if the negative commenters would actually themselves jump out from under their ‘tempurung’.

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  • Axia engine met euro 5,better get axia..

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  • abdullah on Sep 26, 2014 at 10:39 am

    Why must other manufacturers collaborate with you?
    Zero international sales. Village champion only.
    No technical innovation and you want 51% share.

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  • ordinary folk on Sep 26, 2014 at 10:56 am

    Paul, you should do an in depth article on Euro emission standard and the pro & con of timing belt vs chain for the benefit of the reader.

    as i see it, automotive maker switch to timing chain to bring motoring cost down in the event of belt failure on modern interference engine with variable valve lift/timing. belt has inherent advantage too. silence, efficiency and on cost consideration. those in belief that the chain is almighty good ignore the fact that you need to replace the coolant circulation pump too on regular interval. so chain or belt, you have to drop the cam drive cover.

    on better emission standard, you need an ecology to support it. euro 5 direct injection engine need euro 5 fuel or you have carbon built up.

    so even if local designer come up with Euro 5 engine, we do not have the correct fuel type to support it. my 2 cents here.

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  • Middle Age Driver (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 11:48 am

    Like Savvy….buy engine from Renault for EU Iriz

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  • Motorhead (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    The fact is.. plotong don’t ve any capability to built a car.. design body boleh la. Students kolej pon boleh buat…

    R&D bollsheet. ..

    Engines outsource. . Gears outsource. . You ll get rojak cars.. like previous Savvy.. Waja Renault.

    Same story..

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    • illis on Sep 26, 2014 at 12:36 pm

      Campro ? CFE? Those are engines, eventhough from Lotus
      Only gearbox is outsourced

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      • Motorhead (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 12:50 pm

        Im referring to this news.. in this interview actually there’s more.. from another source.

        The Proton chairman did not elaborate any further on the matter but earlier this year Tun Dr. Mahathir has said that Proton is in talks with several Japanese car manufacturers on the prospects of future collaborations.

        “We are looking at other Japanese automotive makers. Right now we are cooperating with Honda,” Tun Dr. Mahathir said…

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    • old dog on Sep 26, 2014 at 11:22 pm

      Dont insult my Waja with Mitsu engine..:) Seriously, if Waja not due to the power windows and door handler, its a ok car, and they should do WAJA 2.0 instead of launching so many names…the Waja facelift is *duh*…look at how the after market change the rear lights (to be like Beemer), the inside material is not that bad either, but the gear need to improve…i rated Waja after Wira and Saga.

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  • A new engine, but I still that it is using timing belt whereas most other manufacturers are using timing chain which is maintenance free and proves to be reliable and carefree for daily usage family car.

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    • World class award winning Ecoboost engine is using timing belt.
      So what?

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    • Garfield (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 2:49 pm

      Timing chain is not maintenance-free….. hadoyai typical Malaysian herd mentality. The difference is the type and periodic maintenance you need to perform. On a timing belt, you’re advised to replace the belt once every 80k to 100k km. Tolerance in engineering design would mean that if you dare to ignore this advice, you could typically prolong the change interval by about 30% (warning: not for boy racers). Inherently a well-maintained timing belt engine is smoother than a timing chain engine.

      On a timing chain, you need to periodically check the chain for irregular noise; which means you need to adjust the tension of the belt; which means you may need to replace the tensioner if necessary. Both my current cars run on timing belt AND already had the tensioners replaced. FYI, they are not necessarily any cheaper than a timing belt kit. AND even a timing chain can snap, and I don’t think that I need to iterate here that the cost will be more expensive than the timing belt snapping.

      So Malaysians, just improve your attitude in maintenance

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      • Garfield (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 2:52 pm

        Sorry, MY BAD. I wantED to say “On a timing chain, you need to periodically check the chain for irregular noise; which means you need to adjust the tension of the CHAIN…..”

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        • Obviously (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 3:45 pm

          Heh, I thought that part sounded more like it should be a timing chain thing. And I assume that the part where you said both your timing belt cars that had tensioners replaced were actually timing chain cars?

          A well maintained timing chain can be cheaper (and lets you have more peace of mind) than a timing belt car but the problem would be you having to remember to maintain the timing chain parts. A snapped timing chain rarely happens but when it does, it’s more damaging than a timing belt snap since the chain carries much more kinetic energy and really just becomes a heavy projectile inside your car’s heart.

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          • ProtonSyokSendiri on Oct 01, 2014 at 12:30 am

            noise (chains) vs major damage (belt).. sudah la bro.. bosan la asyik nak membela Proton..

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      • ProtonSyokSendiri on Oct 01, 2014 at 12:28 am

        the probability of snapping out timing chain compared to chances of broken/ slippage timing belting? which one more disaster? closer risk?

        please don’t too much backup Proton.. they were too pampered..until more than 25 years..

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  • iskhalifah (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    I’m just wondering, if Proton knew about the frequent regulation changes in Europe, why didn’t they develop the new engine to be Euro6 compliant in the first place 3 to 4 years ago? They are able to do it (the CFE is Euro5 compliant versus campro IAFM’s Euro 4).

    It is claimed to be a new engine with new block piston etc, but then all those engineering efforts were put to waste if it is not able to compete overseas especially in Europe. I suspect that instead of an all new engine, this VVT engine still has that original Campro DNA deeply embedded in its blueprint.

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    • Obviously (Member) on Sep 26, 2014 at 4:25 pm

      They changed the block, pistons and valves (if I remember correctly). That leaves the crankshaft, the camshafts, cylinder head, gaskets, fuel injectors, etc…..

      A lot of other parts make up an engine, right?

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    • GotFuel on Sep 26, 2014 at 5:18 pm

      Simple answer, Proton is not capable.
      After >20 years proving they are a burden to rakyat, please don’t tell me they are capable.

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    • ProtonSyokSendiri on Oct 01, 2014 at 12:24 am

      I’m so disappointed, unbelievable how long they have been planned from GSC prototyping model until Iriz launched, more than years.. but they didn’t prepare for true-global car specification?

      Just showing off the PCC being tested in sweden in the winter snow.. but now they said not ready to go there?

      This is not the time anymore for Proton to selling the car in this kampung…and make profit good.
      after more than 20years.. then nee another 30 years to complies everything that the world want?

      Sorry.. Proton u will lose!
      no more hope. sadly said…

      Sincerely
      -Proton ex-Supporter-

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  • with euro 2m compatible engine hope to enter europe market…
    what would be the expected volume…250units…or send a unit to jeremy for promo…

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  • ProtonSyokSendiri on Oct 01, 2014 at 12:15 am

    I’m too surprised when reading this entry.. anywhere they said people were praising Iriz.. GSC.. no PCC.. then here the truth?? Engine is the most important and basic thing to be a well-accepted car worldwide.
    With the underpower of 1.3VVT, too sluggish..now another issues coming.. not complies and not able to meet the European EURO6.. ??

    Proton engineer is too much playing with other accessories issue.. DRL, EL, ESC, BCM, bla2.. until they forget about the engine? hayaaii..
    how come they don’t get the time planned over this so called global car?
    how many attempts that Proton had made since Preve.. when to come out from kampung haa?
    stop maa too much decorating with R3 skirting, LED here, DRL there, and now syok sendiri with Iriz Active.. after all the engine not well enough for global market?

    until when proton to play like this?
    nothing is they making car just to be sold out here in our kampung, and next kampung2.. not other state?

    haiyya.. so disappointed maa..
    Iriz.. u will not able to go to Sweden anymore…

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  • ProtonSyokSendiri on Oct 01, 2014 at 12:38 am

    Aku boleh rasakan Tun memang malu lancarkan Iriz.
    25 tahun dulu dia lancarkan Proton Saga, oklah jual dalam kampung..laku
    selepas 25 tahun.. dia lancarkan kereta yg nampak mcm bagus tp rupanya setaraf je dengan 25 tahun dulu..

    tak kemana2.. pi mai2 tang tu lah Proton..
    jgn ckp banyak lah selagi tak masuk pasaran eksport Eropah, USA selepas 25 tahun.. pasaran Indon pun tak laku.. itu tanda2 Proton sememangnya CACAT..

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    • Bodoh... on Oct 08, 2014 at 7:53 pm

      Aku x tahulah kau ni bahalol ke bangang. Proton Saga dah jual kat luar negara, laku apa? Siap menang 3-4 awards lagi, daripada luar negara tu, bukan dalam kampung NENEK kau je. Proton dah banyak jual kat Eropah. Kat Indonesia pun org bnyak pakai MPV. Tu ada Exora tu.

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  • potong will always be potong on Oct 30, 2014 at 4:04 am

    aiya every other car manufacturer also develop their own engine and they never complained of lack of time. talk about subaru and toyota sharing engine. haih, how many of toyota models using other manufacturer engine? Toyota has been hit my many massive lawsuits. why ah then this P ah must use other manufacturer engine? I’m driving a new renault now. best hoh. don’t talk about potong sawi hah – that one use people punya old, old, old engine hoh. btw, got mix with any malaysia parts ar? haiya also assembled here the engine also maybe. must go for IQ test first before hire to work on engine

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