Proton Persona launched: Proton’s new sedan

Proton Persona

I guess today is the day that most of you have been waiting for the day that the car that promises to set off a snowball effect of recovery at Proton. First sightings of the new Proton sedan were early this year in April, but we actually got to see 3D renderings of it in March. Little did we know that it was a real car to be put into production.

UPDATE: Proton Persona SE now on sale for RM59,800!

As most of you have known by now thanks to a tip off by The Edge, the new Proton sedan is called the Proton Persona. The name is not unfamiliar as it has been used before for the UK market Proton Wira. This makes the name somewhat apt, as it is finally the car that will replace the Wira, something the GEN2 did not do when it was introduced a few years ago.

Proton has taken steps to ensure the Proton Persona is what the customer wants, not what the management wants. Many models clinics and surveys have been conducted to ensure market acceptance. After my first impression of the car at the media preview earlier this week, I must say that Proton has done a relatively good job with this car!

Proton Persona

Most of you have an idea of what the exterior looks like already. Its basically a GEN2 with a boot. Other than the tail lamps, the entire car from the B-pillar onwards has been reworked. The new car is 167mm longer than the Proton GEN2, and 12mm longer than the Proton Waja. The boot is a respectable 430 litres in size, which is larger than the Toyota Vios at 400 litres. It also features a lock, something that was missing on the Proton GEN2. A 60:40 split rear bench folds flat in case you need more space.

Rear headroom has been improved by 43mm over the GEN2 thanks to a redesigned roof curve at the rear. It now measures at 980mm, compared to 950mm in the Vios and 970mm in the City! It only loses out to the Myvi which has a pretty tall roof at 995mm.

Proton Persona
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The interior has been thoroughly reworked and I can tell you this – the interior plastics arent the best that Ive seen but it is better than some C-segment Japanese sedans Ive driven recently. The dashboard is based on the one from the GEN2 but it has had its quirkiness removed. Normal is the new black, I say. I think the public is fed up of Protons previous attempts to be all “sporty minimalist Lotus”.

Other than the twin-pod meter panel (which now features fully black meter faces instead of the black and white one on the GEN2), the GEN2s interior felt like the Wira replacement it should be. Even the Pirates of the Caribbean cutlass-style handbrake lever is gone now. One qualm I have is that the buttons in the center of the dash still feel very cheap, and they do not really have any obvious switched on or off feel when you press them – or you could say the buttons provide not much feedback to tell you you’ve pressed them.

Proton Persona

The door panels have been completely redesigned. The power window switches are now on the armrest which is the preferred location for many. There is some decent cloth trim on the panels. I dont know about you but I prefer my elbow touching some nice cloth or leather instead of bare plastic. The seats have a new design and now the front seats are more conventionally shaped and feature a headrest.

The little analog clock which no one could read has also been removed, so the dash lines flow a bit better now. But the best part of all would be a glovebox, although it is not a particularly cavernous one. With just a few minor changes, the functionality of the Proton Persona’s GEN2-based interior has improved. I hope this new dash carries on to the new GEN2 facelift as well.

Proton Persona

There is central locking and 4 power windows on all of the Persona models from the base line to the high line. You can control the central locking either from a button near the power window button cluster or a button on the dashboard which the passenger can use in case of an emergency. The dash button also doubles up as the alarm deactivation button in case you mistakenly trigger the alarm system. The doors automatically lock themselves once the system detects all doors are closed, the handbrake is released, and the brake pedal is pressed.

Rear legroom was not too bad, a testament to how the increased legroom measurements translate into real life application. That said, once someone tall sits in the driver’s seat, the rear passenger behind him will start to suffer a little, but it is typical of a sedan car in the B-segment size.

Proton PersonaNow on to how it drives. Proton allowed members of the media to drive the car around its test track in Shah Alam. At first impression, the Persona feels like it has a more comfort oriented setup unlike the GEN2, and this contributed more to body roll – you cannot have everything of course.

Proton included a 9-point Vehicle Dynamics Chart in the press kit and it shows that the Persona outperforms the GEN2 in terms of Ride Comfort and Roll Control but the GEN2 beats it in terms of lane change stability and cornering stability. The car generally understeers a lot under pressure but most of the time it is recoverable via throttle lift off.

If you want to toss the car around, it can be quite lively but the supplied Silverstone Kruizer 1 tyres are not exactly performance oriented. I would say its a case of the Satria Neo 1.3 with Sime tyres all over again. Do change them if you want to have some fun with the car and have the budget. But I am sure Proton has reasons for the Silverstone Kruizer 1 choice as they are generally known to be one of the quietest tyres around within their price range and by far the best tyres to come out of the Silverstone labs to date.

Proton Persona

I can see what Proton is trying to do with the new Proton Persona sedan. Families want refinement and general quietness in their drive. They dont want anything trashy or noisy. That explains the choice of tyres. The NVH is also significantly improved over the Satria Neo especially – and better than the GEN2 of course. There is minimal loud and boomy engine noise towards the redline. It sounds rather refined really. The Campro engine had an appealing sound in the manual transmission car. It had a pleasant growl that was not overpowered by vibration or metallic notes, and despite going way over the 6,500rpm redline it felt like it could still go. The rev cut off was a little over 7,000rpm.

We drove two automatic transmission cars, and one of it had a little irritating zingy noise towards the redline, while the other was as aurally smooth as the manual. Upon checking with Proton later, they took note of it and said the noise could be coming from the heat shield, so if you buy this car and get this problem, you can give the service center guys a hint on where to look for the source.

Proton Persona
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As for the Campro engine, it is pretty much the same as previous units. Still the same 110 (82kW) horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 148Nm of torque at 4,000 rpm. There is still a general lethargy with the throttle at low to mid engine speeds, but the engine shines at high revs. This engine still does not have the Bosch Variable Intake Manifold system yet, but the automatic model does have an improved TCU. The improved TCU or Transmission Control Unit seems more intelligent now, making up for the Campros unfortunately torque curve shape by having no qualms about downshifting when needed with reduced delay, and the shifts are rather smooth.

There is nothing new about the Campro engine in this car really in terms of performance; its just that improved sound dampening have managed to make the car in a whole appear more refined. But there are some design enhancements over the original GEN2 Campro engines that have served to make the engine more reliable.

For one, the oil pan has been redesigned to be more crack-resistant. The drain plug has been moved to the side instead of it’s previous position at the bottom, and large ribs have been added on the bottom for protection. The oil pan in general has been moved higher up in the engine bay, but the volume remains the same.

Proton Persona

Now on to some specs. The base-line model will have 15 inch steel wheels and wheel covers with 195/60/R15 tyres, central locking, 4 power windows, alarm with immobilizer, front disc and rear drum brakes, reverse sensors, fixed rear seats, and a normal CD player with 2 speakers.

The medium-line model is further enhanced with alloy sports rims and 195/60/R15 tyres, a drivers SRS airbag, a foldable split rear seat bench, steering wheel audio controls, an MP3-capable CD player with 4 speakers, electrically adjustable wing mirrors, and foglamps.

The top of the range high-line model gains additional features over the medium-line model – antilock brakes and electronic brakeforce distribution, disc brakes on all four wheels, both driver and passenger airbags, and remote trunk opening.

Proton Persona
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Proton Persona Prices

Proton Persona 1.6AT H-Line Metallic – RM55,800
Proton Persona 1.6AT M-Line Metallic – RM52,800
Proton Persona 1.6MT M-Line Metallic – RM49,800
Proton Persona 1.6AT B-Line Metallic – RM48,449
Proton Persona 1.6AT B-Line Solid – RM47,999
Proton Persona 1.6MT B-Line Metallic – RM45,449
Proton Persona 1.6MT B-Line Solid – RM44,999

All prices are on the road with insurance for Peninsular Malaysia. The prices have changed slightly since the teaser prices were announced last month. The Base-Line models are now slightly cheaper. While it wont really reflect much in your monthly installment amount, breaching the RM45,000 barrier by RM1 ringgit serves as a psychological encouragement to buy the car. Proton has negotiated with all banks for them to offer an interest rate of 3.88% for the Proton Persona.

At first impression, the Proton Persona is a worthy successor to the Proton Wira. It is improved in almost all areas compared to the Wira and even the GEN2. However there were still some build issues here and there, for example some wiring was left exposed, like the lock for the rear boot as well as some wiring in the footwell of the dashboard. The steering boss assembly in one of the cars I drove was also not up to standards.

These are normal quality issues with the early production batches of any car from any manufacturer. The true test of whether Proton has changed or not will be the test of time, and whether its service networks have been improved or not. It will be up to early adopters of this car to tell us of their experiences.

Anyway, for those who have the intention of buying this car and want to do something to it aesthetically to keep it a little different from the rest of the Persona crowd, this post might give you some ideas.

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Blueberry Tea – exclusive for the H-Line models. Click to enlarge

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Proton Persona Rear Seat Bench
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Paul Tan

After dabbling for years in the IT industry, Paul Tan initially began this site as a general blog covering various topics of personal interest. With an increasing number of readers paying rapt attention to the motoring stories, one thing led to another and the rest, as they say, is history.

 

Comments

  • wookie00 (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 12:30 pm

    Definitely a great improvement with all the quirkiness wannabes removed. This model should pose quite a competition against the basic Japanese models. Haven’t feel the seat yet though… you can tell the quality if when you are in the driver’s seat and fiddling with all the knobs and cracks. We’ll see. ;)

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  • ganz (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 12:31 pm

    mmm… pray for proton… and continuous bashing from this thread.. from the spec it seems that persona may capture buyer.. few friend already ask me (since i’m using gen2) what the possibilities of similarity of this car from gen2 ..

    all i can advice to my friend is:-
    1. wait till it fully launch.. feel it..
    2. give first batch customer to give feedback .. there will be group of Persona (like prohatch, gen2club, V6sixxer, etc)..
    3. don’t bash if u don’t have any interest in buying this.

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  • Infinitt (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 12:36 pm

    Wishing all the best to proton of new born baby..Persona.

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  • longdongsilver (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 12:42 pm

    Paul, great article. Please do a tech article on the improvements. It looks like Proton have started to get with the program. The Persona actually looks normal!!!
    Hope they get rid of all that crappy Lotus DNA. “Handling by Lotus” is all they are worth. Have a regular car for the masses. Black/ grey interior is definately a good and classy choice.
    If the quality and service network can cope with the customers, I am sure the Proton Persona would give the Honda City and Toyota Vios a run for their money (never thought I would say that). They certainly got the prices competitive.

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  • bestofamat (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 12:45 pm

    haiyaa… i want to change my car…. who want to buy my kelisa?

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  • revive (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 12:45 pm

    Nice review Paul, let’s see Proton will revive after this

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  • mutt (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 12:59 pm

    thanks for the review Paul. like it very much. hope Persona will stop all Proton bashers mouth.

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  • satun (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:01 pm

    aiseyman 56k already dapat kereta with ebd,airbag,abs… rugi loo beli waja tahun lepas….

    What to do…

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  • Aril (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:02 pm

    nice nice nice…This is good….as i hope in the previous post…YES

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  • ab (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:13 pm

    a direct competition with the waja 1.6 if u ask me

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  • blunt (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:15 pm

    Paul,
    During the media preview, Did somebody ask why ‘persona’ insist on using the same crop design tail lamp.

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  • Paul Tan on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:18 pm

    I did ask. The answer made sense somewhat. It is a supply issue. The previous management overestimated by a large margin how many GEN2 cars they were going to sell. So certain commitments have been given to suppliers to enjoy a certain price for a certain amount. As usual in business larger quantity means lower price. Now Proton has to continue with that amount of rear taillamp orders, so they have to use them on the Persona. Hopefully with a facelift later the design will be changed.

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  • blackcipan (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:21 pm

    Wow!!This is what Gen2 should have been right from the day one.This car surely is more practical,a bit more spacious and less-challenging to be accepted by the market.Judging by the amount of things changed on car (higher roofline at the rear,a proper trunk with clearer visibility,a totally new and more quality looking door trim, availability of glovebox),it really justifies a new name to dis-associate it from current Gen2 hatchback.

    The price is definitely competitive,especially the low-line variant doesn’t seems to give away too much of the equipment from higher end variant. RM45k might draw the sales away from the smaller hatchback that is available on the market now.

    All in all,I hope this car stays to its promise-that it has a higher quality.Let see how the sales shape up and see whether this car can end the dark days of Proton.

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  • F430CS (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:22 pm

    Success or failure. Now all depends on marketing.

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  • Aril (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:23 pm

    So PAUL, Any Star from YourSelf? How many? So when the launch by PM ?

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  • rosdi (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:24 pm

    No manual for the H-Line model?? Aiyoh!… I want manual car but I also want airbag for both driver and passenger!

    Only H-Line model has two airbags.. but it is Auto only!! Damn! damn!

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  • Aril (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:27 pm

    I found here that there is no detail on the back seat….hemmm, would to see more PAUL

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  • neo2 (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:27 pm

    I m not here to bash P1, after carefully reading through Paul’s review, I find refinement and improvement to Persona. I also have computed the monthly instalment as follows:
    Persona Car 7 year 9 year
    Model Loan (RM) Interest Interest
    1.6 HL (M) AT 55,300 15,019.48 19,310.76
    1.6 ML (M) AT 52,300 14,204.68 18,263.16
    1.6 ML (M) MT 49,300 13,389.88 17,215.56
    1.6 BL (M) AT 47,949 13,022.95 16,743.79
    1.6 BL (M) MT 44,949 12,208.15 15,696.19
    1.6 BL (S) AT 47,449 12,887.15 16,569.19
    1.6 BL (S) MT 44,499 12,085.93 15,539.05
    Total Total Total
    1.6 HL (M) AT 55,300 70,319.48 74,610.76
    1.6 ML (M) AT 52,300 66,504.68 70,563.16
    1.6 ML (M) MT 49,300 62,689.88 66,515.56
    1.6 BL (M) AT 47,949 60,971.95 64,692.79
    1.6 BL (M) MT 44,949 57,157.15 60,645.19
    1.6 BL (S) AT 47,449 60,336.15 64,018.19
    1.6 BL (S) MT 44,499 56,584.93 60,038.05
    Instalment Instalment Instalment
    1.6 HL (M) AT 55,300 837.14 690.84
    1.6 ML (M) AT 52,300 791.72 653.36
    1.6 ML (M) MT 49,300 746.31 615.88
    1.6 BL (M) AT 47,949 725.86 599.01
    1.6 BL (M) MT 44,949 680.44 561.53
    1.6 BL (S) AT 47,449 718.29 592.76
    1.6 BL (S) MT 44,499 673.63 555.91

    Assumption: Downpayment RM500.00 only, the rest financed by loan. Annual interest charged at 3.88%.
    I also check the controversial “tax-free” price for the following car:
    Toyota Vios 1.5E RM47,281.62 1.5G RM54,325.70
    Source: http://www.toyota.com.my
    Honda City 1.5 i-DSI RM53,800.00 1.5 V-TEC RM56,800.00
    Source: http://www.honda.com.my
    All prices are based on Langkawi selling price.
    I believe with the improved technology in engine, built quality and achieving economy of scale, P1 will be able to emerge as global reknown automaker, EVEN AND ESPECIALLY WITHOUT EXCESSIVE PROTECTION FROM G.

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  • 4G63T DSM (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:29 pm

    Thats a good start. Hopefully it will carry though the rest of the range.

    Wonder if they went through all that trouble with the interior, why didn;t they improve the feel of the steering wheel.

    Nice split/lift rear seats. Dont see seats that fold this flat (which is even better than the satria Neo) very often. Definately useful.

    Whats with that fender gap though…?

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  • xstan (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:29 pm

    Just got back from the shoowroom. Didnt get to test drive , just see-see, look-look, feel-feel & hear. Many of the observers are rather impressed with it. I tot it will be drastic change in the dash, but still same only quality improvised. Solid feel door when u slam or close the door. Indeed spacious for such segment. I actually like the front grill, its soooo very nice. I like the addition centre crome grill that go accross the logo. Side view is indeed better than my expectation. Obviously soooo much better than Gen2. The interior feel present a comfy seating. Overall its a good car for such price range & definately it will beat Viva or maybe Myvi in sales segment & market. Its a car for a family of 5 & unless u r timid driver & of lady gender , student, then I understand Myvi suits u.

    Proton certainly deliver on quality improvisation. Good work.

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  • Aril (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:35 pm

    No changes to the engine improment…Only TCU for Auto……So, conclusion is this car only my dream, I will move to Waja…:(

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  • drebar (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:36 pm

    double thumbs up to proton if this persona is as good as we read here and saw on picture.

    will go check it out tonight…

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  • szw (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:37 pm

    very nice.
    but if they would debut the CPS here , then proton just hit the right spot .
    in the mean time , just wait for the CPS to come out .
    all the best proton !

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  • haroldz (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:42 pm

    As usual Proton basher, i would like to start bashing them.
    so far i can only find these:

    1. the aircond controller is similar to saga/iswara
    2. no LED indicator at d side mirror?
    3. tail lamp similar to gen.2 (then again paul tan oredi explain why)
    -hope 2 c a different design
    4. no improve over d engine
    -is persona heavier than gen.2?
    5. similar bodykit wit gen.2

    overall: Not original design (adopted from gen.2).
    Same engine but bigger cabin/ rear boots.
    Improved safety feature
    Another reason to trade ur aging saga/iswara

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  • edwindudley2003 (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:43 pm

    The door trims looks way better …looks like it doesnt have that cheap plasticky feeling on it anymore..

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  • e-nabilll (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:46 pm

    paul , ur driving impressions are so different from the one chris yap wrote on motor trader ! bt it loks nice.large rear makes the car looks grown up….

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  • Aril (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:55 pm

    This price will a bit up when CPS + VIM introduce.. next year

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  • timber8115 (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:57 pm

    hi paultan,

    let me give you a round of applause for the good article review as i always like the way you do it. Bravo paultan.. keep up the good work…

    As for proton, i would like to wish them all the best as this is the real car we are waiting for although it is not perfect but yet it is what the rakyat wanted.
    Keep up the good work as the rakyat is proud of you…

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  • badsoulfly (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:58 pm

    first time in my life this is the first time i’m really really proud with PROTON..
    even they only add the butt of Gen2..and then becoming as Persona..this is the most beautiful 100% made in Malaysia..lot of improvement air bags and new transmission like imported cars..but just only RM50,000something…better peoples take this chance to have one… look like new Lancer GT from the side

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  • silverfish (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 1:59 pm

    Well, it looks like a whole hearted effort to improve and make a more wholesome product. For that I give one thumbs up. I would have given another half if they had specced it higher or priced it lower. And simplify things. Just offer a premium version with everything in AT and MT and a basic version with AT/MT. And stay away from the Waja’s price range.

    That said, if you didn’t need the extra boot space, save the extra dough and go for the Myvi. I would.

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  • Apathy (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 2:01 pm

    If what Mr.Paul’s review is true, kudos to protonG top ppl. i know it’s hard to change rakyats perception towards protonG. Let’s wait 1 year after launching this model, then ppl who bought it can share with us your experience. Hehehehe you all jadi protonG’s lab rat ler. Hohoho. Then baru we all can bash/defend this model. Viel Glück protonG.

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  • timber8115 (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 2:02 pm

    but the meter cluster on the rpm side look crowded with the fuel, door ajar etc…. should share with the other jiran… hahahaha

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  • Apathy (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 2:07 pm

    Finally…..a boss who listens. Congratulation from the bottom of my heart.

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  • zanggief (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 2:09 pm

    Woo..!it looks like the quality has better improvement. It can give some of the imported model a challenge…good work for proton…

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  • acbc (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 2:12 pm

    No improvement on the engine? Still suffering from poor low-end torque? No way… I’ll pass.

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  • nescartel (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    vielen dank proton!!! :D i’m gonna get one!

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  • Aril (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 2:14 pm

    silverfish

    If this model got premium version, it will kill Waja production…..Marketing man…. :)

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  • piston (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 2:23 pm

    Its a Sedan hope the best for Proton.

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  • kei9 (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 2:23 pm

    Dat iridicescent black purple is awesome! totally luxurious colour…

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  • narrowband (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 2:25 pm

    Well done.

    Like the Gen.2, I really love the design of the car.

    Other than that, very minor – if any ‘considerably’ notable – improvements.

    It’s a step forward nonetheless therefore I’m optimistic of Proton’s future again.

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  • Skyline (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 2:29 pm

    Have improvement on the engine power.. I love it !!
    Paul,
    Any Persona R3 pic?

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  • ob8 (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    the ribena colour is cool, remids me of the old putra. its definitely a balik kampung car. better nvh, big trunk and just in time too. i would wish for a diffrent rear lights though. myvi and viva is not a balik kampung car, its more of a go to 24hr mamak stall car. go go proton powerangers..

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  • umarss (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 2:36 pm

    i wonder how close the photoshop pic that was featured in the blog few months ago with the REAL Persona?…from what i remember..it seems quite close…nice job whoever did the photoshop thing…(dont remember his name..sorry)

    anyway, i think this is a sure hit for msian market,give it some time to be somewhat more ‘matured’ though..kudos to proton!!

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  • offroader manix (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    Mind you..this could be a dangerous car when you step on it.

    The rear of the car is too high……so when you brake hard into a corner or any E brake situation.the car rear might wants to come around……this car got weight distribution problem.

    Just like the previous Camry model which is a disaster in weight distribution…..which is dangerous.

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  • gow8 (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    Still an ugly looking car. Will not be seen in one. We have better choice from other car manufactures. Better to have a good partner like VW and we get to see better products from Proton. This car will not sell.

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  • ali38hak (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 2:44 pm

    nice job, but i am still waiting the estate (wagon) modell from proton and with diesel engine…
    i contacted the proton and they answeared that is in process.. :)))
    i wish all a happy day… hallo from Türkey

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  • Vegatron (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    PLEASE no estate with diesel engine!!!

    I only have 2 questions not answered, maybe those who viewed and test driven the car can tell:-

    1. Is the power window still auto down only? or have they finally given it auto up as well.

    2. Why don’t have H-line M/T? Manual drivers don’t need ABS EBD????

    my 2 sushis worth

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  • xstan (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    Boy..there still so call BLIND BASHER. Never see one but just simply bashed. Well cant blame…this blind basher must be an UGLY chap so would not one to sit in one, right?? It’s not sellable only to this UGLY CHAP.

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  • bmx (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:04 pm

    Is the ABS here stands for Anti-Lock Braking System or Advanced Braking System?
    Heard from mechanics that both are different, as Anti-Lock Braking is the ‘real’ thing.

    Have they improved the CAPTOR? sucking too much battery power?

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  • Ricc (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:07 pm

    This new Persona really impressed me.. The price is very competitive.. Good move from Proton.. Lets see if this will change our mind towards Proton… But I personally not really like the dashboard design.. If like Waja.. then yes.. this car is near perfect liao..

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  • engtaokia (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:07 pm

    basically there is major improvement from Proton. good luck lah…

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  • leongylun (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:11 pm

    this is new car?? haha..it sounds funny..it’s just a long version GEN2 and no much differences between the GEN2 and Persona..and this car will replace the best selling Wira? But GEN2 was already replaced Wira wat? then this car will replace GEN2 lo? haha!! P1 pls dun waste money in developing something useless stuff, what we wan is totally new car model…
    And i personally think that the current GEN2 owners why they pay higher price for hatchback and now the long GEN2 only cost 46k..not fair la…

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  • david_loves_cars (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:14 pm

    In any fair society, and this is one I believe, credit where credit is due. congrats Proton.

    clearly the Proton team has been listening and has re-doubled their efforts to get it right.

    hey, it will not be a perfect car – none of these modern day production cars are problem free – hence all the recalls across the world from the big guys – but it is now up to world standards. No small effort lah

    so well done Proton, coz it appears to be great car and the start of a real turn-around.

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  • moha774 (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:14 pm

    To Proton, thanks for a well priced and specced car. I t should be like this from the beginning, more proactive and listen to their costumers… by the way that manual gearknob will rattled in due time since it is a 2 piece construction just like Savvy…. better make sure the vendor screw in 3/4″ screw to keep them together to avoid rattling…

    By the way I’m impressed by Offroader manix… we dont need a state of the art design tools to know the handling and stability of the car, just ask him he will tell you by looking at it…. no need to do test drive also…

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  • silverfish (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:15 pm

    Aril said,

    silverfish

    If this model got premium version, it will kill Waja production…..Marketing man….

    ———————–

    This just tells me you don’t know what I’m saying. Premium ie highline lor.

    Speaking of which, its already going to steal part of the Waja’s customers anyway.

    This is an age where cars overlap segments. Like the Latio which competes with both the B and C segment. Consumers don’t just look at the size of the engine anymore. For people of the more cynical kind, like me, They’ve got to have something extra to convince to pay the extra dough over a top spec Myvi for example. Just the 1.6 vs 1.3 don’t cut it. Its not like you’re going anywhere much faster with a slightly bigger engine. In fact, fuel economy seems to be the bigger draw these days. Right now, the only really obvious thing the Persona has over a supermini like the Myvi is a proper boot. And if I don’t need that, why spend the extra cash?

    Not so much a criticism, more thinking out loud. I still think they could price it more competitively. I don’t really get the M line. Skip that and just have the B line and the H line (with manual option) and price the H Line manual right smack into Myvi territory. Now that’s going to get people going.

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  • mr42 (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:16 pm

    Hiii…no time yet to see the car in flesh…I’ll give my congrats and wish Proton good luck…

    BTW, does the H line version come with full leather seatings?

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  • fairozee (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:22 pm

    leongylun said :-
    “And i personally think that the current GEN2 owners why they pay higher price for hatchback and now the long GEN2 only cost 46k..not fair la…”

    The hacthback always priced higher than the sedan. So wut are you talking about?

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  • lowprofile (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:24 pm

    i’ve seen it, touched it, felt it and it’s miles better than the g2. i think i’ll stop being a proton basher… may even consider it. overall, for the price, it is good value for money. quality is almost a quantum leap over the g2. all that remains is the achilles heel – the power windows!! this remains to be seen if it is as good as the proton ceo says.

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  • jDheng (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    Hi Paul,

    What about fuel consumption ? With full tank of fuel, how far can you go ? I mean for average/normal driving condition.

    Full tank = little ?

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  • zack_keyme988 (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:26 pm

    HOHO…THATS THE IMPRESSIVE IMPROVEMENT FROM PROTON…THE

    INTERIOR HAVE SOME IMPROVEMENT LIKE GLOVEBOX AND THE DOOR

    TRIM…LOOK NICER AND CONVINIENCE THAN THE PREVIOUS GEN.2… ALSO

    GOT NICER N BETTER LEGROOM AND HEADROOM… THE GEAR KNOB ALSO

    SEEMS LIKE USING IN WAJA… MAYBE CUT COST…..

    GOOD JOB PROTON…..

    TRULY MEM’PERSONA’KAN….

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  • jehutyz (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:29 pm

    Not yet go n check it out.
    Actually i feel this one is nice enough. With the spec and price is not bad at all.

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  • Dogster (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:31 pm

    There are 3 things I just cant understand about this new car. Why cant they redesign:
    1) a better looking steering wheel?
    2) a better rear light?
    3) the air-cond controls?

    Other than that, everything seems better. :) Removed the clock, relocate the window controls, changed interior colors and looks aggressive from the front …..

    Hmm maybe the long logo on the boot should be shifted abit lower?

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  • panzer (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:33 pm

    test

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  • panzer (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:35 pm

    I dont think this model will bring proton back to profit.People are fed up with the quality and after sales service.As usual,all proton are overhyped during their launch.

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  • leongylun (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:36 pm

    fairozee
    The hacthback always priced higher than the sedan. So wut are you talking about?

    then how about the proton 27k proton saga vs the proton saga iswara taxi model( the long type one) with 34k. 27k car is the newer model while the taxi model priced 35k currently with 15 years old designs. Proton always sell the new or facelifted cars with lower price la…go to check it out….

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  • AMG (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:40 pm

    Ok, that the real proton…
    Better car…..

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  • ys (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:43 pm

    i just wonder this new long ass Gen2 still giving the low roof line problem as compare to Gen2. i still remember when i sit in Gen2. i hardly can sit up straight at behind. i am a 6 footer and there are sure more of malaysian taller than me.

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  • malimkundang (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:44 pm

    One thing that I always don’t like the way proton build the car is that seems they neglected the aesthetic and functional look of the car. The design of the headlamp and the tail lamp looks appropriate and aesthetically good for Gen-2. But I don’t see it works for the sedan. I think Proton designer need to look at that first. Nowdays buyers don’t look at the price only when they want to buy a car but design is under their consideration too. The centre panel for the dashboard seems out of place for the sedan. It works on the Gen-2 because of the sporty theme. I expect more conventional centre cluster which run down towards the arm rest. The front end (nose) is totally not harmony with the rest of the car shape.

    I think more conventional and functional front end would be better. The interior in general doesn’t look solid enough. I prefer something that is more thick in terms of the lining and solid dashboard. I wonder how the sound of the door when it close.

    Actually I am in a middle of buying a new car, but at this point of time I didn’t put Persona in my list. Not because I am prejudice towards Proton, but some of it details is just not of my liking especially the headlamp, the tail lamp, the side mirror, the dashboard, the interior lining is not solid enough.

    This is just my personal view and it didn’t reflect the others. There might be someone who like the design.

    For the price range I think it is reasonable because of the national car title.

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  • garend (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:45 pm

    Hi Hi Paul..

    I am a newbie.. I just started work recently… I was actually planned to buy the Wira Special Edition… until I saw this… both is within my budget.

    Wira Special Edition is cheaper.. but it is of old technology.

    Please help by giving some advice as which are is more suitable? I am travelling around 80 to 90KM a day because my job is in Cyber…

    Please HELP… !!!!…

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  • gonggok (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:50 pm

    Low roofline?

    Come on la…read Paul’s post. The Persona has more rear headroom than the Vios & City!

    Went to the showroom the car looks good and that base line price is tempting. I’m sure many Myvi salesman are busy thinking up ways to bad mouth the Persona.

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  • lowprofile (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 3:55 pm

    yes, rear headroom much much better thanks to the higher rear roofline.

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  • xstan (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 4:02 pm

    In order for Proton to sustain profit is not to entirely produce a new model, changing all its design or whatsoever. So, financially smart they just enhanced the existing unit so u still see similar dashboard, stering or the rear lights etc. Anyway, they just cant please everyone. I too doent like the steering wheel but other features is really a boost to the entire enterior.But…I kinda like the rear lights. Its unique right??? Different from other car designs…at least its original design. As said…it just cant please everyone. But judging from teh response, this car will certainly sell.

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  • ariff (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 4:03 pm

    why persona aa??
    why not Gen.2 sedan..
    anyway..thumbs up proton but thumbs down again bcoz no CPS

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  • timber8115 (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 4:04 pm

    hi ys,

    i am a six footer also… let me go and have a try and i will post comment tomorrow…hehe

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  • ilmondo (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 4:05 pm

    yea it surely is tempting at tat price.. thinking back those days wher 1.5 wiras r around dis price.. so far it seems really +ve.. think dis is proton’s rakyat’s car.. hope dis car is ‘big’ enuf 2 save proton.. really hope so.. n also hope tat gen2 facelift will receive similar treatment on its refinement.. i think waja has d potential 2 grow too.. cant wait 2 c waja cps.. hopefully they tackle owner’s feedback..

    back 2 persona.. those 15 inch rims looks small on dis! surprising! hmm.. dis wil surely look sweet wit some nice but no overstyled bodykit.. cant wait 2 go n check it out.. test drive maybe.. well done proton.. really do hope its well enuf! PROTON..

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  • fairozee (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 4:09 pm

    leongylun,

    I’m talking bout hatchback and sedan in term of pricing in generic term. It is a common practice by any manufacturer to priced their hatchback slightly higher than the sedan model.

    Yes it not fair for current Gen2 owner coz sedan is more value for your money imo, but what can you about it?

    About the cheaper Saga, well they are selling it cheap becoz the replacement is coming out next year. You can’t expect lower cheaper every time they launch a new model even though, it would be great to do that.I think that only will happen in the next future when they already have replacement for gen2/persona in line.

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  • bobdbilder (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 4:16 pm

    Dudes

    Everything is uberhyped. Hype makes a salesmen job easier. We thrive on hype! Remember the Ce’ed? City’s elastic 7 shifter. Constant Variable Transmission. Chris Bangle.

    However, I do not think the Persona was an overhyped campaign. It was subtle. And it did not need to be overhyped. The campaign may be understated and rightfully so. Haven’t seen the TV ad yet. Everybody knew it was going to be based on the Gen 2 plus the cellulite. Its designed to be practical. Toyota did preach the benefit of small constant changes. Looks like Proton’s on the right track. Very refreshing that they did not stop while the VW talks are still on. THAT takes a lot of guts.

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  • khimfoh (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 4:30 pm

    Overall the exterior looks decent not ‘ground-breaking’ but just enough to satisfy those who want a decent looking sedan.

    The glove-box compartment honestly though, looks like an after-thought. It doesn’t seem to blend in with the entire dashboard.

    Good that the power-window controllers have been reposition to the doors for easier access. The seat fabrics looks inviting.

    I kinda agree with one of the post that Proton should do away with the M-line model and just have a Basic and High-line model.

    However at this day-in-age, dual SRS airbags and ABS should be standard feature irregardless whether the car is a lower spec or higher spec.

    Perhaps the High-line model should have leather seats to differentiate it from the base line model.

    Whether the Persona will bring back Proton to its ‘glory’ days is another story all together. Personally Proton cars a good, is just that the service centers doesn’t do a good job of providing car servicing.

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  • iamamonkey (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 4:36 pm

    I have a gripe.

    Why the hell the highline only have 15 inch wheels. Wheels are like shoes. A nice suit/dress requires nice shoes, not flip-flops.

    The Proton Persona is a nice car. Rather bulky in the rear, but with 15 inch wheels, it looks soft and un-garang. 16s or 17s will do the job. But then again the R&H might be affected……harsher ride, compared to the softer ride that they are trying to go for……

    Looks nice in the pictures, but then again, so did Gen.2.

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  • proton GL (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 4:41 pm

    i think they ll about stopping the waja,
    and prepare for MPV,

    and a small hot hatch LOTUS, (high performance satria neo)

    bad idea?,, no
    last time there were Cortina, Carlton,
    this is the major event that change the whole perception of proton brand name

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  • Remedy (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 4:47 pm

    I bought perodua MYVI 4 month ago.. Today i book Proton persona for my second car.. because it so much better than MYVI… Thanks proton.. Your interior very nice.. Quality great.. Love the persona door slam sound.. sooo much better than myVI.. For me as a student.. this car is a must have..

    p/s- Who said p2 make a great car???

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  • xsi (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 4:47 pm

    (quote) neo2 said,
    August 15, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
    Assumption: Downpayment RM500.00 only, the rest financed by loan. Annual interest charged at 3.88%.
    I also check the controversial “tax-free” price for the following car:
    Toyota Vios 1.5E RM47,281.62 1.5G RM54,325.70
    Source: http://www.toyota.com.my
    Honda City 1.5 i-DSI RM53,800.00 1.5 V-TEC RM56,800.00
    Source: http://www.honda.com.my
    All prices are based on Langkawi selling price.
    I believe with the improved technology in engine, built quality and achieving economy of scale, P1 will be able to emerge as global reknown automaker, EVEN AND ESPECIALLY WITHOUT EXCESSIVE PROTECTION FROM G.
    (quote)

    this guy must be kidding, comparing a gen2S penisular malaysia price with vios/city price in langkawi…hehehehe….not a proton basher? yeah right…

    but surprisingly, this sedan base model price about the same with myvi….and myvi is at then end of the day, is still only a smaller car that looks better. Power wise, ride wise and handling wise, even crappier than a kelisa….

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  • itstime (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 4:49 pm

    Silverfish said:
    “Just the 1.6 vs 1.3 don’t cut it.”

    Not quite true. Those whose mileage claims depend on the cc of the car will go for bigger engine. A good example are the civil servants. It used to be a difference of about 15cents per km. Not sure about it now though.

    Anyhow went to see the car just now. Perfect car for couples with small kids especilly the balik kampung type. Better finishing than gen 2. Those who wished for a bigger space and a sedan will probably opt for waja and others.

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  • razor_clawzz (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 4:50 pm

    The only factor that drives the sales is the price. And that’s it. Anyway Proton will always sell well in Malaysia. The only thing that can take that advantage away from Proton/P2 is AFTA.

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  • e-nabilll (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 4:54 pm

    i jus saw it in showrrom , only highline have 4 disc brake,others only disk/drum…..rear is alot of headroom compare to my gen2…overall is a nice and sensible purchase,bt ya as some ppl mentioned above…y wd anyone buy a waja now….almost 7k more,bt doesnt offer anyting more than the persona has….or maybe its an indication a new refreshed waja is on the way?? othr diferences is the higher tyre profile,60 rather than 55….

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  • ganz (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 4:55 pm

    well already see THEM..but no test drive.. the sales person do not entertain me as i just using old cup cai today..

    my view.. far better than gen2.. esp on interior… dark look kewl.. with glove box and also with central lock..door trim also look far better than my gen2..

    if only i want to comment (without discussing about engine performance) is driver and co-pilot seat.. look cheap.

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  • e-nabilll (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 5:00 pm

    another two info , persona doesnt come with captor like the gen2,and althought the rear boot hav alot of space and very deep,the opening is pretty small….

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  • brusli (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 5:01 pm

    Well….after seeing the car, feel it, touch it, and sit in it, my conclusion is that its just a normal sedan car….and a normal sedan car that actually the market wants. I dont fancy the exterior look, but I believe this is what most customer prefers, comparing against the Gen2.

    On the interior, I can see and feel a lot of improvement. The seat feels more comfortable and the seating position is better than Gen2. The door interior panels have been redesigned and better materials have been used.

    Overall, as a budget car, I consider the Persona as worth buying. But if you have extra fund, then Waja is definitely a better choice.

    Good luck proton.

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  • hughie522 (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 5:12 pm

    From the rear, the Persona looks quite good, but it looks awkward from the side and ‘stock Gen.2’ from the front. A revised front end would most likely help sales on the international market.

    I’ve seen a handful of Gen.2’s driving around (Brisbane, Australia), and the occasional Savvy. However, Proton is still very much an ‘unknown quantity’ down under, and I doubt this new sedan will help sales on the international front.

    The interior is a vast improvement, but why the tacky steering wheel? Is this too a pre-ordered stock problem like the tail-lights? It works well with the Savvy’s low-cost interior but in a car that’s set to compete with the Nissan Tiida and Suzuki Swift it seems cheap. Also, there doesn’t seem to be enough to differentiate it from the Gen.2 hatch (aeroback); I doubt it’ll attract new buyers in Oz or the U.K. The Satria Neo was a step in the right direction, but this seems almost like a step backwards.

    Sorry to be a P.B., but it really is a disappointment…

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  • schdmitz (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 5:13 pm

    congrat! P1 for introducing the old new car….its looked nice and stylish….how about the FUEL? tats the thing we concern these days…..Looking forward to hear from those owners….i’m not bashing but saying the real thing….

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  • Aril (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 5:21 pm

    Silverfish
    =============================

    Yeah..just an opinion. But basically if you study marketing…then you will no.. but i respect that..

    BTW, HL and Premium is different…even both got ABS, EBD, and so on.
    Premium at Waja is traditon and suppose limited, even in 2002, 2003, 2004 all got premium version same like 2007. As i said, if both segment got premium, Waja will dead. And i think Premium only for Waja dude

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  • wong (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 5:24 pm

    good to hear Paul tan say theres improvement overall..the steering wheel looks similar to my Neo..dont like it at first, but its okay once i got used to it

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  • xstan (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 5:26 pm

    BTW, anyone remember this chap who promised to be back with Bashing or Critic by on 15th August. Neo or something…just expecting his comments.

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  • Aril (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 5:30 pm

    yeah…his name NEO2…..I think he go and book this car..hehehehehe

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  • pipzs (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 5:44 pm

    yeahh… i went to the mutiara d’sara branch… overall it was ok for family car, bigger boots… confirm booked!!! but one thing, the seats looks cheap, the persona font on the back looking a lil bit funny.. im ok with the rest… oh yeah paul, i think for all comment on ur page, it’s better u place the latest comment on the top so we dont have to scroll all the way down to place a comment =) anyway, thts just a suggestion frm me…. proton here i come.. mempersonakan….

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  • xylencia (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 5:45 pm

    this is just to answer garend who asked if he should go for this or the Wira SE.

    Go for the Persona, do not be taken in by people who say that the Wira is “proven technology” bla bla bla.

    These ppl will still buy the Wira, knowing that things will break down and they will start shouting and complaining later. For their own MISTAKE!

    I was at the launch at COE. and I must say the Persona thoroughly impressed me. For the price, this is a real winner.

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  • wong (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 5:50 pm

    I think let this guy neo2 give his opinion…

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  • encikwan (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 5:55 pm

    If the price is the range of USD 10k, I will consider.

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  • xylencia (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 5:56 pm

    ariff said,
    August 15, 2007 @ 4:03 pm

    why persona aa??
    why not Gen.2 sedan..

    ——————————————————–

    A good question. I asked a corporate comm guy the exact same thing. He said it was to show a progression. Of how the Persona brand has improved. This is not for the benefit of Malaysians however. But for overseas countries who have been exposed to the Persona brand for a decade. So what they are doing here is like what car manufacturers always been doing. Use the same name but show how the brand has improved.

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  • tHe CuLpRit (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 5:59 pm

    im not getting a car anytime soon or anything, but i still dont understand proton’s decision not to offer a manual high-line option…

    but since this is targetted at budget buyers, proton probably assumed that those wanting to pay more will want an auto anyway (lotsa kl-ites prefer autos these days, esp due to jam), and the manuals are just there to give option for those wanting even more cheaper Persona…

    i guess if u want a stick shift, have to go for the “sportier” Gen2..

    speaking of Gen2, i had kinda half expected the facelift to be launced together, but looks like that aint happening…. any ideas when this will be?

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  • mockviper (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 6:15 pm

    i think the manual H-Line will be available soon with CPS… just maybe. to make it the top of line Persona.

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  • Aril (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 6:22 pm

    Yeah…we want manual HL….manual..manual…..

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  • kerelbort (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 6:25 pm

    Good job Proton… guessing this can compete with like of City or Vios outside Malaysia.

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  • sobri (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 6:29 pm

    Paul Tan, Gen 2 has copied a lot from Mazda 3 exterior styling, if I may say so. However, the interior and drive are definitely inferior.

    How would you compare Persona to Mazda 3, in terms of quality and drive?

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  • Paul Tan on Aug 15, 2007 at 6:33 pm

    sobri: the gen2 and the mazda3 was launched only about 6-8 months away from each other. if proton can restyle the gen2 to copy the mazda3 in such a short time we are giving them far too little credit than they deserve. in other words, i dont think the gen2 copied from the mazda3.

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  • pipzs (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 6:35 pm

    when i was at the showroom, there’s one “leng-lui” who wants to explain me bout the car and she said “this car arr, got auto-break” and i was like laughing and i said “u mean, auto door lock?” and she said “aiya soli soli soli ya yah, auto door lock, soli ar boss”… and i continued laughing…. she’s definitely want the comissions…pity…

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  • ASIMOtypeR (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 6:36 pm

    remote boot opening (h-line only), good move proton.
    I still worry about fuel consumption..

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  • Aril (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 6:37 pm

    agree…also we can check PROTON design at intellectual property for trademark purpose…..

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  • pipzs (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 6:38 pm

    if im not mistaken, full tank u can fill is about RM90…think so..

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  • Aril (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    all salesman and girl should study properly on the new launch product…..this is must for consumer for better understanding…

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  • faizulamin (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 6:43 pm

    hi all..

    it’s only that i’ve owned Savvy. if not, definitely i’ll buy this car!
    and “berlagak-berlagak” during this coming hari raya! hahahaha…

    p/s: just wondering, who is the head design engineer for waja, savvy, satria neo and gen2/person…

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  • proton GL (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 7:04 pm

    subtle side skirt there

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  • sylkhannaz (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 7:04 pm

    Nice effort by proton.

    Proton may also benefit feedbacks from internet media such as yours, Paul, and some other. As seen from posts above, there are a lot of positive feedbacks but as we can see, most of them demand engine upgrades. Well, as we know, Proton is currently working on that as well, the CPS.

    However, those who actually leaves comments here are mostly motorheads/enthusiasts so their comment might not align with general public or target customers.

    In my opinion, Gen2 doesnt look that bad, and to use it as a base is actually not a bad idea. Should Proton used Neo as a base, I guess it would be even more appealing especially to typical 4-door loving users.

    Anyway, i think they should lose the long Chrysler-like chrome.

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  • J (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 7:09 pm

    I think this is great from Proton !

    Is this the one which will be exported to China (30,000 units) ?

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  • cbljkkj (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 7:11 pm

    Wheels still look far too small, disproportionate to the overall size of the body. The interior looks like a Gen2 made love to a Neo. Styling cues such as the air-conditioner dials, steering wheel and the gear box looks to be a direct port from the Neo

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  • hyundai (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 7:22 pm

    proton is so funny to let persona fight wif waja! persona is the latest model and size is about wif waja but cheaper than waja…

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  • happymeal (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 7:32 pm

    wishlist for the car.

    1. higher rear seat bench please. its so low, as if sitting in the old iswara. once seated, your knees are forced to either place high up, or spread your legs to the side. a myvi wins on the rear seat accommodation.
    same goes for the front seats. it really reminds me of the wira, positioned low and thin cushion.
    2. door panels quite impressive. but the door locking mechanism sounds abit loud each time it goes up n down…maybe needs some refinement.
    3. centre array of switches. someone mentioned its not “informative” enough ie. dunno if its on or off. needs a more solid feel.
    4. steering wheel still not as comfy as waja with the thumbrest and curved/rounded 9-3 position spoke.

    improved stuff –
    1. instruments stalks and a/c controls have good weight to it. not loose and plasticky like the waja.
    2. aircon vents not as tacky as Neo. Full closure mechanism (pushing the left-right fins shuts the airflow) feels solid and works well.
    3. interior door lever has a good weight to it, not loose and flimsy like waja.

    still prefer the gen2 design as this car seems out of proportion. probably like all car shapes, need time to grow fond of it.

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  • tech.titan (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 7:36 pm

    paul, great coverage on proton persona. i’ve been reading your articles for a while and today i’ve decided to sign-up and give some comments.

    proton persona definitely will meet the needs of family oriented buyers. proton certainly moving towards the right direction. it will probably help the company to boost its sales. i’ll buy my persona once its fitted with cps & vim.

    however imho proton still need to restructure its product offering. i’m no marketing expert but for malaysian market, 8 models ( with variant like baseline, medium line, high line and premium for each model) are not going to do any good in terms of achieving the economic scale for each production.

    all in all, kudos to proton.

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  • Remedy (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 7:39 pm

    if anyone asking which one to choose gen 2 or this persona.. i go for this new sedan.. see for your self the quality and the interior..

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  • rhinodatum (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 7:54 pm

    Still there’s one thing i don’t like- the steering wheel. Gosh it looks like those go-cart steering wheel yaks!!. The Waja steering is far better and classier.

    Well at least now they changed the door panel and removed the center pop-up clock which is a good thing!

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  • wong (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 7:59 pm

    manage to see this model,I would say theres real improvement, dashboard looks more solid,steering wheels looks like Neo,s, but better ‘feel’, spacious boot, sit inside and the family car ‘feel’ is there..very different than Neo..good work Proton..

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  • topgunthang (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 8:10 pm

    ok. proton is so successful with this launch. lets drop all anti-competitive taxes on foreign cars.

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  • nmh (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 8:16 pm

    i second that topgunthang

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  • chanel (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 8:21 pm

    hey i think everbody miss out something……

    the boot no longer using old type method….now Proton put in a pair of absober to support the trunk….hence making the boot space more bigger

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  • PTAllTheBest (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 8:23 pm

    ha!! funny…
    50k for a old looking car…just redesign something and sell off at that price.
    please dun waste rakyat money.

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 8:43 pm

    Good review Paul. However, hope more photos you can put in such as the door opener, rear seat, over internal view of front and rear panel and others. Anyway, good work.

    Until now, there are more than 2200 booking of Proton Persona since the soft launch back in 21 July 2007 – if not mistaken about the date. So less than a month I personally think it is a good starts.

    Still have no time to check out Persona closer but passed by two showrooms after work just now seems there are quite many people inside and saw one car outside the showroom for the test drive purpose.

    Based on Paul’s review, Proton Persona really much better compare to the older model especially the Waja, Gen2 and Savvy. For Satria Neo, still have room for improvements.

    That’s all I can say and will post again after I really seeing the car nearer.

    All the best to Proton and weird there are few Blind Bashers here talking something without facts.

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  • PTAllTheBest (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 8:45 pm

    there is 1 thing which i very hate about it.
    only HL got disk brake. come on la. what century oledi.
    dun give a $H!# on this car
    better save a few k. go and buy myvi
    more spacious

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  • hcgui (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 9:01 pm

    A Hi-Line Proton Persona complete with CPS and VIM selling around RM58K will surely kick new Vios, City and Latio’s arse REAL HARD!

    come on Proton, give us the CPS and VIM in Persona! Waja will get CPS very soon so we know basically it’s ready! i understand from the marketing point of view tat this will surely hurt the sales of ur new Waja and new Gen2 but this is the BEST way for u to turn everything around!

    Cheers and Happy 50th Merdeka! Persona launch is just so perfectly timed! Malaysia Boleh for once!

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  • fastcx (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 9:05 pm

    PTAllTheBest, ur myvi also have front disc brake in all range, stop putting out nonconstructive words!

    Personally driving satria neo, when i went to show room, i really can see a lot of improvement in persona, i definitely want the door panel on my neo ;) and the dashboard plastic is much better than neo’s even the instrument knobs are solid, more solid than neo’s! and now u can easily close doors! for boot space, u can imagine put in 3 golf bag in there, 2 at the bottom, 1 on top

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  • hush (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 9:05 pm

    wow… a great leap forward… keep it up proton…. they seem to have answered to what the public want… the interior looks good… glovebox, black interior and many tiny details… well done… but exterior wise, i think the front looks okay but the chrome finish on the rear looks ugly… i think it will be better without that…

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  • ezralimm (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 9:07 pm

    Nice review Paul. It helped prevent WWIII ;-)

    Hey, has anyone been in a Persona AND a Corolla? Can someone please comment on the size of the car? Specs wise, it should be bigger than the Vios/City. The Vios/City should be compared to the upcoming BLM.

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  • fastcx (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 9:09 pm

    1 more thing, neo’s steering isnt this, this is original gen2 design if any ever really saw gen2…

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  • fastcx (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 9:16 pm

    i notice for the rear they make the suspension setup higher might be for people who carry things in boot, n or carry 2~3 person at the back will make the car lower due to weight, with tis setup the tyre doesnt hit the inner wall so soon gua…just my guess as this is family car, it’s to carry people, so proton make it higher at the back

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  • BigFish (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 9:16 pm

    “First UK export specs” car selling locally by Proton! That should be the way for Proton to show they are patriotic and take pride of rakyat support.

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  • darren82my (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 9:18 pm

    WELL DONE!!! PROTON!!

    But i hope that it will be a replacement of Campro to CPS in nxt yr…

    for Persona, RM55k for H/Line. it is reasonable price and suitable for maket nowadays.

    for me, it is only my dream car also, i will take Waja since it has discount RM3k rite now…. and will be ard RM59k++…. jz more expensive than Persona RM4k.

    however, i will ask my friend to go and take a look for the Persona, i think they may be affortable for M.Line package.

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  • kevyeoh (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 9:19 pm

    just went to see the car…love the black interior…love the new side door panel, pretty huge boot space….

    some cheap looking gaps at side window bar….didn’t like the built in cd player… :)

    but overall, not bad…hehe…

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  • BigFish (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 9:19 pm

    Just now someone post link showing there are two petrol indicator in the RPM and speedometer! What is that? I will go to showroom to find out the truth!

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  • echun79 (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 9:19 pm

    The pesona official website is congested!Luckily i able to get the review from the site. Is anybody know what colors are available for this pesona huh? Does it have the City’s light blue color?

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  • frezzoed (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 9:34 pm

    that is truth..i also surprised when looked at the speedometer.i thought that car have a two petrol tank.huahahahaha……that showed the final control doesnt work at all…

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  • prometheus (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 9:36 pm

    The blueberry purple color is nice on the car..
    Looks like a great “starting out to work if you have some money” car

    But dunno why the tyre and the fender got so big gap? All cars like that ah? or is it more on the persona? my imagination?

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  • Dogster (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 9:48 pm

    “I bought perodua MYVI 4 month ago.. Today i book Proton persona for my second car.. because it so much better than MYVI… Thanks proton.. Your interior very nice.. Quality great.. Love the persona door slam sound.. sooo much better than myVI.. For me as a student.. this car is a must have..

    p/s- Who said p2 make a great car???”

    A saying: Don’t count your chickens before they hatch…

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  • calwinsingh (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 9:51 pm

    Give u guys credit for the improvements… The car looks nice… Lets pray the windows don’t get spoiled in the first few months… =) Good work and Good luck Proton…

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  • idiomanic (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 9:52 pm

    i hate mindless bashers… come on laa… grow up pls!

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  • prometheus (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 9:53 pm

    very rich student.. change car every 4 months.. when i was a student I ride moto also happy… then bought a 10000 ringgit car in the last 2 years.. Times are changing for the better..

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  • moto_moto (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 10:07 pm

    i went to the showroom this evening. i looked and feel the car already. i’m happy with the material quality..im happy with the back seat roof.. the dashboard + exterior design not bad..
    err..im a biiiiit not happy with the engine.
    i was not managed to get a test drive because the queue was so long. i will test drive it some other day. the base-line $48k for manual metallic. otr. kuching. not bad.

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  • moto_moto (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 10:14 pm

    later proton put CPS on this, dont jack up the price lahh..maintain.

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  • kingglim (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 10:16 pm

    Oh…sorry to say that I think this will be the nail on the coffin for Proton! The car looks like a poorly put-together rojak.

    First, it is very obviously a Gen2 with boot. Unfortunately, in bid to stretch the rear end and to raise the roof line for rear passangers, the beautiful smooth curveline of Gen2 hatchback is totally destroyed. The car now does not look sleek at all…in fact, the car got crooked line. Now, the car is neither sleek to attract young ah beng crowd, nor classy to attract conservative family uncles & aunties. The car has no more identity, no more soul.

    Second, the interior is also trying to do too much. People want glove box, so they finally put in the glove box. But, problem is, the Gen2 dashboard is designed w/o glovebox, so this Persona dashboard with glovebox looks very very forced. Too bad, it is good to have the glovebox but it is now also an eye sore. The interior has a lot of Gen2 and Satria Neo parts put together. Like bad rojak, neither classy nor sporty. I think it will be much better if Proton just put in entirely Satria Neo’s interior into Persona.

    Third, the price is not cheap at all. Starting at RM45k because Proton put in all the low-end cheap parts; fully-loaded at RM55k but no leather seats and no auto cruise, buyers have got short-changed by Proton.

    Last, Campro still the same old inferior Campro with no CPS nor VIM, and the the auto transmission is still the same old 4-speed (ok, with improved TCU lah). This car will remain so so on power but still a thirsty petrol drinker.

    Conclusion, most people will still rather pay RM30k more for a toyota vios or honda city (not to forget, new vios and new city will be coming this year and next year, rumored to be at lower prices some more). Most bean counters will likely keep spending their precious RM40-50k on MyVi.

    Of course, Persona will still sell, but unlikely at the volume needed to save Proton. Unlikely it can steal market shares, more likely will just cannibalize Gen2’s market share. Appreciate Proton’s desparate efforts to rescue itself…but i think this car is definitely not the ONE. Satria Neo was almost the ONE.

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  • raptorclans (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 10:22 pm

    I dun have to comment much on the positive stuff, cos I kinda like what I see… it’s a good car, but here are some stuff that could be improved…

    1. the door used to have grab handles to close it, u know, those modern, bar-type. the ones in the persona are a bit 80’s-like
    2. i liked the old handbrake lever much more
    3. the dash meter color is very dull… wonder if we could swap it with a GEN.2’s :)
    4. dash with twin tone would be nicer
    5. hope they have leather on the door panels :)
    6. i actually liked the clock (heehee)

    PS: I absolutely love the gas struts for the boot. a definite improvement fro a proton sedan… it’s just like my alfa’s boot :)

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  • tokmoh (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 10:28 pm

    hcgui said,

    August 15, 2007 @ 9:01 pm

    A Hi-Line Proton Persona complete with CPS and VIM selling around RM58K will surely kick new Vios, City and Latio’s arse REAL HARD!

    come on Proton, give us the CPS and VIM in Persona! Waja will get CPS very soon so we know basically it’s ready! i understand from the marketing point of view tat this will surely hurt the sales of ur new Waja and new Gen2 but this is the BEST way for u to turn everything around!

    Cheers and Happy 50th Merdeka! Persona launch is just so perfectly timed! Malaysia Boleh for once!
    ————
    >>>Patience, young Padawan. Addin CPS n VIM isn’t a Lego stuff, and I’m sure the engineers are working very hard now to test them to be completely bug-free when it’s ready. Although of course, realistically, they dun hv much time as the competition gets stiffer, they just need to work harder. Speakin of which, today’s Lego are more complex than 10 years ago…..

    When I came to the small dealer in front of Carrefour Subang aroun 12.30, they were still not ready, and told me it’s 1pm, so I came back at that time. IMHO, I think Persona is pretty much Gen.2 which get things right at most of its weak point. Gen.2 had some of the nastiest interior I’ve ever seen in a car, so much it made cycling sound exclusive, bt that’s pretty much ironed out fairly well in the Persona. The controls hv been moved to the door, there’s also cloth trims rather than some naked plastics from Mattel’s reject bin, the clock is digital, which I couldn’t see cuz it’s nt turned on (duh), there’s glove box…..FINALLY!! A lot more to say, bt in short, it was actually pretty normal. Nothing to make u like or hate the car tbh, but for its price, it could’ve been worse. So that said, Proton listened to its customers (and bashers as well), and did their homework. Congrats Proton, I hope you can keep up this gud job. Hooray…..

    Also, I saw a video in the showroom of Syed Zainal giving a message to all its dealer abt “it is nt just abt selling the car, but selling the customer service too. Customers should be treated from the moment they enter the showroom,” and dealers should have the “passion, pride and joy in their work, just as the new addition to the family is our source of pride and joy, it should be present” in all the dealers. Good message, Syed Zainal. You’ve impressed me as you have always do since you took over Proton as its MD. I wish you all the best then!!

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  • frezzoed (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 10:28 pm

    where’s my comment b4???dun bash me.i just want to revealed the mistake that made by proton on the first day of launching…

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  • frezzoed (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 10:35 pm

    just check this page….

    http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5635/1508071724sq9.jpg
    http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/2384/1508071726hs8.jpg
    http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4313/1508071725jd5.jpg

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  • mits27 (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 10:38 pm

    Not the best , but it is still the big improvement…it is good thing they have designed the normal car that accepted by most people…

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  • frezzoed (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 10:50 pm

    this problem should not happen on the first day.they should check it first before delivery it to the dealer.now the dealer facing a problem.the need to answer the question.WHY THIS CAR HAVE A TWO FUEL GAUGE??????whoever buy this car,dun forget to check the meter panel…:)

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  • fastcx (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 11:06 pm

    haha frezzoed, thx for pointing out, i think its the supplier’s issue and just “luckily” proton QC’s random pick for checking didn’t pick tis car, and the dealer’s fault didn’t check the car before showing ;)

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  • nizam80 (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 11:07 pm

    Paul, does the Base-Line Persona have rear seat headrests?

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  • Jake (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 11:07 pm

    ..i think i’ll buy the Waja..err.. or the PV6, it’s about RM90K now..but my wife wants the Civic..ahh.. damn!

    ..anyway good effort Proton, but Mr MD, still a lot more efforts needed to achieve “Proton Myvi”!!!

    ..as for me i still love my Gen.2, when the need to upgrade later, i’ll wait the Proton R3 version!

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  • Rolling8 (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 11:08 pm

    I’ve just seen the car in Pandan Indah show room. The logo caps of both front wheels went missing and the door closing sound like this “BOOOMM” ! Cool.

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  • silverfish (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 11:12 pm

    Aril said,

    Yeah..just an opinion. But basically if you study marketing…then you will no.. but i respect that..

    BTW, HL and Premium is different…even both got ABS, EBD, and so on.
    Premium at Waja is traditon and suppose limited, even in 2002, 2003, 2004 all got premium version same like 2007. As i said, if both segment got premium, Waja will dead. And i think Premium only for Waja dude

    ———————-
    With all due respect, you still don’t get what I’m saying. BTW, I used the word “premium” in the general sense, meaning top of the range ie the equivalent of what they are calling H-line. I don’t know what Proton uses the word “premium” for and I don’t really care.

    PS: I don’t need to study marketing to know what common sense can tell me. Proton has a long history of screwups. They probably had a lot of people who studied marketing in there. Didn’t do them a lot of good did it?

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  • afroiq (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 11:16 pm

    huh?!..two oil gauge..where..in the picture or in the showroom…

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  • faizulamin (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 11:17 pm

    i just noticed
    the door panel has a Savvy door’s dna..
    hahaha..
    but, this one is prettier than my Savvy indded!

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  • mattyboy (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 11:22 pm

    Frezzoed – are you really so stupid to think the car has 2 fuel gauges, come on show some intelligence please!

    It has 1 fuel gauge and 1 water temp gauge

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  • Goniothalamus (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 11:23 pm

    As i said before, if u have 45k budget to grab a 1.6 family car, this base line is very reasonable. Yes, only for base line. If u want spend more later, just modify it, 16inchers, rockford fosgate, bride seat, Koni, R3 stuff, go on.. :p

    By the way, i wonder what will happen to the original Gen2. I thought rakyat very love this. The sake of the Gen2 will be cloudy man…

    Come on, do something. So the proton come out with Gen2 feat CPS, VIM, sporty bodykit, leather seat, 16inchers, more bhp, sport exhaust., bla..bla..
    target for ethusiast only. (“,)

    Just meaningless comment.

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  • nizam80 (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 11:24 pm

    Anybody who’s been to the showroom who have checked out his car can tell me whether the Base-Line version has rear headrests or not?

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  • orangetribal (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 11:30 pm

    what’s a CPS and VIM???
    anyway good luck Proton in this new model

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  • denfire (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 11:55 pm

    Just go to see the car, overall it is a satisfactory view as the car looks nice and good, but there are three weakness of the car that might halt people from buying the car

    1. The rear seat head room got changes and that is a good thing, but the problem is the design of their seating, they push too much space to the bot, this has cause the rear seat become not that good.

    2. The quality is still not that good, just now i go showroom at Mutiara Damansara, i saw the rubber at the back door has been distract from the car, then i ask the salesman, why the rubber come out, he just told me 1 funny answer, he says too many people open the door and want to try to sit inside the back of the car, that cause the rubber to come out. Hahaha, i personally don’t think that will be a good reason.

    3. They are still using same engine which does not got improvement but just tuning by the engineer.

    Sorry if my words got offence anybody.

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  • dm010 (Member) on Aug 15, 2007 at 11:57 pm

    nizam80, I just got back from one Proton Edar and have checked the H-Line on display…The rear seat does have a headrest but I don’t think it’s supposed to be there…Even without it u can still sit comfortablly…

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  • nizam80 (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 12:07 am

    But how bout the B-Line? Does the rear seats in the B-Line model have headrest?

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  • dcwhz83 (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 12:15 am

    overall a very good car indeed… and good effort by Proton…
    but still has several flaws:
    1) steering wheel has the same feel (try Suzuki Swift and u know what a world of difference, i mean putting in a better steering wheel shdnt be tat difficult or expensive rite? coz its the thing that drivers are going to hold every minute while he is in the car!!! the driver is not holding the comfy door panels while he/she drives!!!)
    2) the armrest is positioned good, which is good for auto drivers… most cars like the waja, swift, vios sucks at armrests as they are too low to offer support… but the hard plastic on top of the armrest sucks… i feel my elbow could break if i am going thru a huge pothole… no complaints abt the elbow on the door panels though…
    3) the interior door handle material has improved but still not solid enough… i have the feeling it could break if i pulled it extremely hard to open the door.. no complaints abt the exterior door handle though… no complaints abt the door closing, but it requires quite a huge effort to close the door compared with vios/city/swift… 90 degrees door opening is good…
    4) the absorber mechanism on the boot is not properly done… if u put a bit too much pressure to close the boot, it closes automatically for u… and its quite fast too! it can cause injury to someone else sticking their head into the boot while u are just trying to play around wif the boot…
    5) rear tail lamps design sucks… well if i am to buy this car, i am going to go to Abang shop and change to the Taiwan LED design rear lamp even if it costs few hundreds and the LEDs could burn out easily… i cant bear my face to see my frenz with such “original” rear tail lamps… they are not going to laugh at Proton, but gonna laugh at me… lolz…

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  • king (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 12:19 am

    impressed with the interior built…..now better than cheap plastic myvi. just disappointed with the steering wheel. they should get rid of it at all cost. its the part where the driver/owner touches all the time.

    $44,999 for baseline. p2 really the blood sucker now selling tiny viva at 45k.

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  • dcwhz83 (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 12:20 am

    fyi, for those complaining abt the seat height, i found it to be more comfy having a lower seat height like the wira…. especially for long distance ride… sitting upright for longer periods is not comfy at all… having to split ur legs a little or put ur legs higher actually is more comfy and gives more room for adjustment… its a more sporty oriented seating as sporty means low seats… high seats like the myvi doesnt feel nice for long distance especially if my elbows cant really touch the door panels to offer me support for long drives… maybe myvi seat position suits shorter ppl…

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  • Goniothalamus (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 12:36 am

    Aiyaaa nizam80, go see by yourself la.. Persona base line not only just for rear headrest available or not.

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  • king (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 12:51 am

    a agree with dcwhz83,

    which is more comfortable? sitting on a stool ( higher leg position) or sitting on a sofa? its just impossible to please everyone

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  • Javanese (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 12:57 am

    Although this new Persona is a nice effort from Proton, it still carry Gen2 single BIGGEST FLAW… That bloody plastic steering wheel. My god even Viva and wira got a better steering wheel. Dont they realise all the effort making the car more pleasant, comfortable blah blah can be spoiled just by touching the steering wheel (which feels like touching a stool). It’s car design 101 Proton!!!

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  • proton GL (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 1:06 am

    the ll be leather wrapped

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  • marnik (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 1:16 am

    Dear Paul, you make a good report.
    As far as i’m concern, proton already backrupt of idea to produce new model and i’m very sad that proton way of thinking is so bad.
    Gen2 already in the market for how many year they still think that the design still good and carry on to the new model ?
    Please don’t look things just around us or malaysia please go more beyond that, or at least see the latest model around the world and they must grap what is the future model i’m sure people will appreciate it.
    Simple thinking is that, is current Gen2 sales good enough now, so that just by make some face lift can boost the proton sale ? i don’t think so. the reality is that the market has no choice to buy it, i’m sure this can be seen through the sale of the car later when the sale will drop after few months introduce it to the market.

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  • topgunthang (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 1:30 am

    2 fuel gauges…
    maybe they wanted to make a hybrid petrol and hydroxene techonology. just forgot to install the hydroxene powerplant.

    oh wait, there is no hydroxene technology.

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  • gq (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 2:10 am

    anyone from bintulu. pls feel free to come to EON show room or contact thier sales team at 086-336000 for enquiries. They are very helpful and supportive.

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  • ingolstadt (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 2:27 am

    Besides the reliability issue of Gen2 which some might have some don’t, my main issue with Gen2 is the thing that ALL prospective buyers will seat into and touch first – Steering wheel.

    A decent quality steering wheel with comfortable grip and texture is the most crucial thing of making a customer feel-good the moment they sat in it, why blow that and offer the same crappy steering wheel from Gen2?

    WHY CAN’T THEY JUST USE THE WAJA STEERING? Which is oh-so-nice ?

    And like Silverfish said, it shouldn’t eat into Waja pricing territory, Proton needs more of a Myvi direct competitor rather than a Wira replacement now. Or one that could do both.

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  • adunadun (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 3:42 am

    good p1…make good effort, this is my country car, i need proton to have political strong also, p1 cannot penetrate oversea market without political strong, its not about have good ur car, its about how ur political in market, then slowly ur quality n product will be improve. i support p1, and please dont make me dispointed me. thanks

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  • adunadun (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 4:14 am

    by the way,do you think proton easily could go to china? i think this is contra with penang 2nd bridge, yeah china company fund it and build it :P

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  • PTAllTheBest (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 5:09 am

    very very extremely exceedingly expensive.
    46k for just a longer gen2 with a old 1.6l technology engine.
    with no paint on the cheap door handle
    no paint on old direct remote door mirror (aiya, electric motor cost how much, kedekut)
    no foldable rear seat
    no alloy rim with a set of very unreliable tyres
    no basic features like airbag, ABS, EBD (feels like wan to cut cost)
    no fog lamp
    only can pirate CD with 2 radio quality speakers
    and the most important, old campro engine (no CPS + VIM, aiya, this blood sucker company move very slow)

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  • PTAllTheBest (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 5:28 am

    add another few k and then u can a few cheap features available on the Mline
    just some lousy paint
    electric door mirror
    foldable rear seat
    fugly rim and torch beam look alike fog lamp
    another two radio sound quality speakers
    and a airbag which can only function after 10 seconds when collision
    $h!#…! they will suck your blood until u dry up

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  • PTAllTheBest (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 5:43 am

    forgot to mention.
    disk brake on B & M line. they will not care about their customer.
    as long as they can save much they can then if u die it is your problem. none of their business. 4 days old also can get fire easily. $H!#…!
    but there is 1 thing i very love. 2 fuel gauge on a car which is i never seen.
    they probably know that their product got defect and will often malfunction.
    so they equip with not 1 but 2 fuel gauge. damn clever!!!
    $H!#…! EVEN STUPID THAN DONKEY!!!

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  • PTAllTheBest (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 5:45 am

    and also provide better reading accuracy inside your fuel tank with 2 fuel gauge. $H!#…!

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  • azrai (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 7:14 am

    Better late than never. It seems Proton starting to realise the power of consumer or rakyat. They have to compete using pricing and quality as their main strategy. For the disc brake, even Naza Edition Wish come with drum brake for the rear. Proton should conduct more market survey before launching any new model after this. Anyway, I like the way the manage to cut cost of development of this car from RM600m for Gen2 to just RM100m for this Persona. Now they are thinking like a true entrepreanour. Good effort by Proton. If this is the way they are heading after this, not only AFTA even in WTO they can survive. Now I must say I’m proud to be Malaysian, and proud that Proton is Malaysian. Please don’t dissapointed us as rakyat again Proton.

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  • frossonice (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 7:27 am

    Went to see it yesterday night and quite impress with it. Built quality is better and the improvement over the old Gen.2 can be seen clearly. The fabric trim remind me of the old Wira. Engine wise, i shall not judge it yet as neither of you guys (except Paul Tan and lucky few maybe) had tried it yet, even though it is an old engine. Before making any stupid remark on how the engine might perform, you better test it first. Oh, someone show me the CPS engine. The cover is red and it suppose to come out when updated Waja come out this October. Don’t take my word on it.

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  • NiceCar (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 8:04 am

    Great improvement by comparing to proton previous car;
    still far far behind by comparing to others car manufacturer.

    P1 should not sastify with current level but must keep improvement.
    or else P1 only able to earn M’sia citizen money only…

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  • Bigfoot (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 8:11 am

    Thank you all forummers who give positive and negative feedback here. I am certain that a lot of Proton engineers and staffs valued the feedback from Paultan.org It is currently the best platform for us to get feedback. Thank you again, whether from basher or fans, except Joe Ooi…just kidding

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  • wuichi (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 8:54 am

    great review, i have yet to see the person in the showroom. Will drop by for a look

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  • apparaa (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 9:13 am

    To all Bashers….

    Dont bash so much laaa, one day it might end up with u guys buying one!!…. hahaha… who knows?

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  • raverus (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 9:15 am

    i am skeptical about the quality, i hope it’s better this time.

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  • Dogster (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 9:16 am

    “mattyboy said,

    August 15, 2007 @ 11:22 pm

    Frezzoed – are you really so stupid to think the car has 2 fuel gauges, come on show some intelligence please!

    It has 1 fuel gauge and 1 water temp gauge”

    Its apparent that you didn’t see the picture. Don’t simply call ppl stupid without seeing the picture…

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  • nescartel (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 9:30 am

    a wise man once said:
    “Never argue with idiots.”

    so i would suggest that if we come across
    some of these people who give comments
    with no fact nor anything useful,
    who bash without even seeing the actual thing,
    maybe we should just ignore them. :p

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  • neo2 (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 9:31 am

    Competition leads to improvement. In absolute economy term, monopoly enjoyed by GLCs is an advantage and also a main killer when it is indulged and fantasized of its commercial success created by monopoly. For instance, local ISP is monopolized by TM, so what can you do when the line always down? Stop paying the monthly fixed service charge? Unless there is a second choice for customers, otherwise does TM bothers at all? Same applies for P1, it used to be arrogant and designing its preferred racing and sporty cars without conducting market survey or at least listening to its customers. It had its fall and now it’s back in action again. Kudos to P1. The typical and major problem plaguing GLCs is politics interference, it will always be in a multi-racial country like us. How long does P1 needs to attain and sustain possible future commercial feasibility? Nobody can guarantee that existing MD will stay forever. As soons as P1 returns to black, things might change (I mean P1 management). Trust me on this. If greedy politicians come back in future and takes control of P1, the blind followers of P1 would be much disappointed when the same problems (the problems that we used to bash about) go back to square one. Do not be blind-folded or get over-excited by short-timed and little achievement, Persona just a starter, P1 still has a long, windy and rough journey down the road. should P1 or even Malaysia no longer a mere “Juara Kampung” (aka Local Champion), time will tell. Like I used to said, P1 should not targetted P2, Inokom or Naza as competitor, instead it should aim for Toyota or Honda. Typical politicians mentality is they like to compare ourselves with less developed countries, instead of developed countries. What a crap! How to become developed country in that sense?
    By the way, as a Malaysian, Persona is a timely gift to celebrate 50th Independence Day. Selamat Merdeka, Malaysia!

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  • Alifz (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 9:33 am

    Aiyoo…to many comments over here, could not even finsh reading on it…

    Anyway good job to Paul for giving extensive review on this Pesona.

    Well all commentors, since the article said Pesona suffers from handling since it’s giving up Gen2 specs, dont expect the CPS and VIM to be inside this car, very dangerous cause the car cannot handle the power. As my 2 cent point of view Waja CPS really meant for it as the original body track is wider than Pesona and Gen2, shorter than Pesona so the weight distribution and handling could be only be capable by Waja.

    So for all Waja owner, don’t be sad and regret, this car just a normal mass car. You could ‘tapau’ it when comes to the bends. Not enough power? Just invest and put an AFC and you can ‘tapau’ Putra…hehe…

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 9:38 am

    PTAllTheBest said,
    August 16, 2007 @ 5:43 am

    forgot to mention.
    disk brake on B & M line. they will not care about their customer.
    as long as they can save much they can then if u die it is your problem. none of their business. 4 days old also can get fire easily. $H!#…!
    but there is 1 thing i very love. 2 fuel gauge on a car which is i never seen.
    they probably know that their product got defect and will often malfunction.
    so they equip with not 1 but 2 fuel gauge. damn clever!!!
    $H!#…! EVEN STUPID THAN DONKEY!!!
    —————————————————————-
    As what Dogster said. It has 1 fuel gauge and 1 water temp gauge! By the way, all cars come with front disc brake and rear can be either drum or disc brake too. What do you mean by they will not care about their customer?

    Please get your facts right!

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  • motoaku (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 9:38 am

    wanna see some r3 / modified version of this car …
    hope fully will come soon….

    waiting for cps + vim to be trnsplant, doa…doa….it willbe less then 60k…ahaks…heheh

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  • RM (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 9:39 am

    Seriously in these days and times where product innovation is a core competency, it’s a real letdown. Passing of a reworked car from 2004 as a new model is quite lame and having its Chairman declare expectations of a proton revival on this car, is a huge concern for investors/shareholders.

    I’m also questioning the strategy here – pitting the Persona head to head with the Gen2 (a.k.a Persona hatchback) at a critical time when there are so many unsold stocks of Gen2 still out there. Two wrongs doesn’t make it right…and so soon after going in the right direction with the Satira Neo.

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  • motoaku (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 9:42 am

    ahahah….unicorn…

    dont see aaa?…city use still drum what…
    not mentioning others….who want to add….??

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  • kevyeoh (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 9:54 am

    RM,

    i think it’s the same issue as Proton Wira sedan vs Proton wira hatchback right? look at wira sedan and wira hatchback’s sales…do you think they are in direct competition?

    will it kill each other? i don’t know…because maybe there are different ppl with different taste… the gen2 hatchback looks more sporty while the sedan type is more to family oriented…

    so will it kill each other’s sales? in my opinion…not really that much la…. :)

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  • motoaku (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 9:55 am

    opss…sorii unicorn…..,it was for PTAllTheBest…heheh

    here people discuss using their head,so please …do think before u bash..

    let revolutionize this industry….make the consumer demand for what they want…
    not the managers dictate what they want…
    even we cant have them all…..but atleast therei are some protonians was listening what we talk about….

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  • dcwhz83 (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 9:57 am

    eh guys,

    CPS + VIM cant tapau anyone ok? for sure it cant tapau a Vios on straight line also… CPS + VIM main purpose is to improve FC becoz have more low end torque… Toyota’s VVTI and Honda’ i-VTEC is alrdy here years ago and has went thru many generations of improvement while Proton is working on its 1st generation of CPS + VIM…

    so dont expect miracles… its supposed to smoothen the acceleration, dont expect more than 10% bhp increment… and for the weight of 1200kg car, tat 10% is not much… it feels better but realistically it wont be able to tapau any fast acceleration cars like Putra, Sentra 1.8, Vios, City, Latio 1.8 becoz these cars have good power to weight ratio and has variable valve timig tech long time ago…

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  • bht xxxx (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 10:23 am

    GOOD JOB PROTON!!!…this persona dont have campro with cps because this is one of their marketing strategy…they will only put the campro cps in the new waja maybe next year…then the new waja price will increased about 4k…there will different price range from this new persona…

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  • xstan (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 10:23 am

    PTallthebest. don have to keep repeating over & over again in hope to disuade or corrupt the others on how bad the car is. Typical one sided basher. I know u prefer puny size car. Yes puny size car is good for ladies & students, not for real man like HULK.

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  • albagmane (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 10:33 am

    the volume control of the from the cd player on the steering captures me… have to see the owner opinion then we baru see wat proton says is right onot… btw, the headroom and legroom is greatly improved… can say like a Myvi Sedan???

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  • Rolling8 (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 10:41 am

    I hope Proton can do well. But I don’t think this car will be a sensation in Malaysia because the faces of prospecting customer in the showroom look not so amazed and keep on asking the salesman why why why (on certain parts which are not satisfactory). Good luck P1.

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  • BanyakMasukWorkshop (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 11:03 am

    the car seems to be selling well though.. 2000+ bookings by the time it was launched by people who have never seen the actual car. seems to show that there are still plenty of people out there who trust proton.

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  • mosfet (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 11:06 am

    i have to say i like this car a lot
    the quality has greatly improved
    no so cheap plastic like interior anymore
    however i dun the steering and the not so responsive buttons
    nway … gud luck proton

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  • BanyakMasukWorkshop (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 11:08 am

    neo2,

    but according to chips yap’s article in motortrader.com.my, he said that proton are targetting the persona at the city, vios and like it or not, the myvvi also, just because of the price point. So i suppose what you said about proton only targetting naza and inokom is not accurate.

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  • aesthari (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 11:11 am

    IT HAS A FREAKIN GLOVE COMPARTMENT!! AT LAST!! lol, not that I care about it, but it seems Proton’s put in the effort this time. Not bad all, it even looks better than the hatch. I like the side profile of this one better :)

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  • Akazamabamaboo (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 11:16 am

    This seems like a nice car…apart from the oh-so-ugly tail lights, the cheap-looking steering wheel, and…just look at the gap between the tyre and the wheelarch…eek… =/ I think the car would have a better stance with a lower ride height…I suppose Proton gave it an apparently large ground clearance to tackle the huge speed bumps on our streets? =P

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  • Skyline (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 11:19 am

    Info, I ‘ve made some comparison between Persona, Vios and City. Persona win in term of power/Torque, handling and comfort. Congrat Proton!. Proud to be Malaysian! I will book 1 I-White Colour..

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  • drebar (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 11:26 am

    i used to dislike proton also becos the built quality is questionable. but credit must be given where it is due.

    i think since Savvy, proton has improved, albeit there are still some built quality issue with Savvy, haven’t heard of any complaints about Proton Satria Neo. or is it i’m not updated?

    from mah humbah point of view, i think the main reason Proton Satria Neo didn’t sell so well is becos it’s a two door car. and some ppl do not like the design. me too actually.

    but from the outlook, the Proton Persona looks like a really good buy… can fight with vios and city… almost the same type of customers… if latio a bit tough…becos latio i think is of higher end customers…

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  • mattyboy (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 11:38 am

    Dogster – now you win title of the most stupid person to post! Of course I have seen the picture you fool else why would I post.

    I urge you to go look at the picture yourself, now, go on, then come back and tell me what those two gauges are!

    The one on the left has a pic of a petrol pump with markings 0, 1/2 and 1/1 where as the one on the right has a pic of a thermometer with markings 60, 90, 120 degress celcius.

    Now, any person with one iota of a brain would sum up that one gauge is for fuel and one is for water coolant temp – I will let you guess which one!

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  • Paul Tan on Aug 16, 2007 at 11:49 am

    Guys, rather than bash blindly here, I have asked someone in Proton for an explanation on the meter panel with two fuel gauges. It is not a Proton assembly problem but a vendor problem, as Siemens VDO delivers the meter panel as a complete unit to Proton. The photo is a pre-launch leaked photo as there were only 3 Personas with these sesat meter panels, and they’ve already taken steps to rectify it as well as on the supplier’s side before the car was launched. It’s not fair to just bash without knowing whether the photo came from – now we know it is a preproduction car.

    mattyboy: the meter panel in question here is not the meter panel in all personas but the 3 links posted by frezzoed in the comments section of this post

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  • Akazamabamaboo (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 12:01 pm

    A good step by Proton…utamakan kehendak & keperluan pelanggan/pengguna/pemandu/whatever… =) Hmm…I bet in a couple of months from now we’ll start to see different customised variations of the Persona on our streets…heheh… =P

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  • Akazamabamaboo (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 12:06 pm

    But…what about the safety of the occupants? Why don’t the airbags come as standard? Why isn’t ABS a standard feature? Why…er…hmm… =/ A lot of European cars nowadays come with ABS and airbags as standard features. And road accidents are more common in Malaysia…so…hmm… *ponders*

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  • Akazamabamaboo (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 12:08 pm

    I’m not bashing…sekadar mengkritik…hehe… =D

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  • crully (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 12:08 pm

    Guys, Guys…

    This is a good car.. It might not be to everyone’s liking, but it is. Just accept it, ok? I sat in it. I liked it. It has a sporty-ish interior. I liked it. It has a big cabin that I can sit properly in at the back. I’m a 6 footer, if I can sit in the back, I like it. My mum’s Vios, I can only sit in front. Back seats are not comfortable enough. Boot space, big, though the boot opening could’ve been bigger. That said, it is a sedan, and it is actually better than my mum’s vios. So, yeah, u guessed it, I like it. Engine might be a bit weak, but what are you gonna be doing with the sensible 4-door sedan anyway? Race it up and down the north-south highway? It’s good up to 120kph, and that’s more than enough for the speed everyone drives at during balik kampung (no more than 30kph). If u want a faster car, get a satria neo. It’s less comfortable, but since u like it fast, u’ll like it. The car’s got good mileage according to the salesperson. About 6.3L(Manual)-6.6L(Auto) per 100km. With a 50L fuel tank, considering it’ll give the low fuel warning with 5 liters to go, brim it and u’ll be doing nearly 720km before the warning comes on. Even further if you’re brave enough to dry the tank. So it’ll go the distance as well.The steering, well, if you don’t like it, wrap it in leather or change it to ur favorite momo or sparco or nardi wheel. 70% of Gen-2s i see change theirs anyway, I can’t see the problem with you changing yours. The pedals are at the right place, shifter is too. I test-drove the manual M-Line yesterday, it was rather ok. It is a heavy car u know. And it is very quiet inside. Personally, if I had the money, I’d be going back to the showroom now, and put in an order. But, alas, as a student in uni, can’t afford it yet. But still, thanks proton for giving me another choice than the inflated priced Myvi and Viva. If the BLM comes out before next may, I might even get to buy that one instead.

    Bashers, please be rational when u talk. The way u bash proton like u din go school before. Everyone needs time to pick up the pieces when things go wrong. It went horribly wrong for proton when Gen-2 and Savvy came out for the first time. But it is mostly ironed out by now. What u get now is years of careful planning, research and development. If you think all proton R&D ppl are doing is sit sown all day drinking coffee waiting for 4pm, then why don’t u try to do a better job. Go there and apply for a job there. The problem is that Proton was for too long too protected by the Government. New proton CEO is working hard to change the mentality of the workers there. What I think is some of the proton bashers are the ppl who work for P2 or sumtin who want to bad-mouth proton when they haf a superior product.

    And for those who rather buy the myvi, go ahead and buy it. No matter how good it looks, myvi is still a subcompact hatch being sold being at the same price as a car from 1 step up in size, a compact sedan. Yes people, see properly! It’s a sedan. There, I rest my case.

    Proton, I wish u all the best to get up and running from now with ur new baby. Destined to go places. Hopefully to stuff those bashers’ mouths.

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  • kohbk (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 12:14 pm

    saw the car, overall quality had improved but the weird looking centre console not really my cup of tea all those tiny buttons just harder to press. The power windows control panel is huge improvement. Overall i think its a fair car to buy.

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  • Skyline (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 12:17 pm

    Yala Paul,

    The meter panel already detected in Proton. Supply problem. Should be no issue..

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  • v (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 12:19 pm

    GOOOOOOOOD JOB PROTON….REALLY LIKE IT…GO AND HAVE A LOOK ON IT:…AERODYNAMIC SHAPE THAT REPRESENTS IT ADVANCE STYLING ….ELEGANT REAR END DESIGN WITH ATTRACTIVE REAR GARNISH

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  • neo2 (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 12:40 pm

    @Banyakmasukworkshop
    If u have read my comments carefully, what I meant is “I used to say ….”, which means that P1 previous models were targetting so called national car makers. For instance, P1 Savvy 1.1 was targetting A segment car market and etc. However, now, please take note, NOW, P1 comes up with Persona 1.6 is targetting B segment car like 1.5-1.6 car like Toyota Vios and Honda City.
    I m sorry if u have mis-interpreted my comments.

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  • wong (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 12:49 pm

    Just noticed a guy at the showroom yesterday,very curious looking..even tried to pull the rubber door seals..too excited maybe,but I thought Persona is a good effort..btw, I noticed on tv Naza too have 2 new models,Rafidah Aziz launched it..is she “somebody important” in Naza? Happy motoring..

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  • drebar (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 12:52 pm

    i will wait for few months before buying… a good car indeed.. but let the other test it first…

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  • JULIANLEE2 (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 2:10 pm

    why do we have to pay so much for cars, for RM44,999 i can buy a lot more cars
    which are 10 times better

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  • kei9 (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 2:10 pm

    WHOA! 200+ post in juz a day???

    hot….

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  • drebar (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 2:17 pm

    so RM44999 can buy which car which is 10 times better?? Perodua Viva??

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  • motoaku (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 2:18 pm

    juliaanlee ….please name one

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  • razor_clawzz (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 2:22 pm

    I wish this car used as taxis (to replace Iswara especially)

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  • renyeo (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    IS THIS THE NEXT BIG ONE FROM PROTON?

    This new car was even reported by Singapore’s radio, tv and print news media.

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  • JULIANLEE2 (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    well, not in malaysia, in other countries, what i meant was for that kind of money i can buy cars 10 times better in other countries, the tax here is too high, a tax is fine, but it should be lower

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  • KelvC (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 2:27 pm

    Firstly, bravo to Paul for the extensive review!

    I went to see the car yesterday evening and I do agree that this is the car that the general Malaysian market wanted (albeit 1 year late). As many have echoed, Proton needs car for the masses (bread and butter car), once the economies of scale are in, and then you can have niche product with good margins. As for the similar steering, rear lights, etc, it is a matter of good business sense and economies of scale. Maybe we should wait for the next face lift version (1.5yrs – 2yrs time?) for better designs before assuming that this will be the base DNA of the Persona.

    Looking at the timing of the launch this will certainly coincide well for the “balik kampong” crowd (early adopters) however I have this nagging thought, if most of the target group are currently tied up with 9 years loan, how is this target group going to purchase the car? The bulk of potential buyers have bought their cars not too long ago and, in view of the low resale value, the take-up rate will be badly affected as well.

    We can also see that the car was launched right after iCARE which is a good thing. The iCARE launch is to rebuild their service credibility, while we do not know how well it was received amongst the Proton car owners and translate that to more service $ales in the Proton Service Center, it is definitely a step in the right direction.

    The Persona has added a little sparkle for the national day for many of us. With 2 more weeks to go, this nation definitely needs a lot of little sparkles to commemorate the 50th Independence Day.

    PS:

    1) I hope they would seriously consider to rename the Gen2 in the next facelift (Persona Hatch/Hatchback/HotHatch/Aeroback/etc, perhaps?) because having too many Brands creates too much confusion amongst customers, resource wastage, etc.

    2) Please stop comparing against Perodua as this company is competing in the different market segment; i.e. Persona against MyVi/ViVa??? Let us be realistic here, despite being within the pricing scope, it’s still a different car segment.

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  • JULIANLEE2 (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 2:30 pm

    its sure good business, for the people of proton, why should they be given the unfair advantage over the malaysian car industry

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  • wong (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 2:32 pm

    Julianlee2,what do u mean by 10 times better..and buying a lot more cars? u must be very rich..enjoy your cars…cheers!!!

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  • pipzs (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 2:33 pm

    wht’s there to argue and bash around? proton did their bests.. just take it this way, if u like it, u buy it and if u dont, u go find another car… and when u keep bashin’, i tell y’all got no point at all because the final product has been launched and it can’t be changed… so be it… kan? kan?… whetever it is, i am booking one soon, it’s gonna be my first proton car…. suitable and effordable for a family type of car.. and “duuuhhhh”, everyone knows persona is a gen2 base, so say no more… don’t get suprised one day proton do a neo sedan, savvy sedan, waja hatchback and whtsoever… let them be… they have their own achievements and targets… i also heard that lots of goverments staff now using vios&city, so this persona purpose is to attracts them who changed to vios&city today…

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  • leongylun (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 2:33 pm

    Skyline
    Info, I ‘ve made some comparison between Persona, Vios and City. Persona win in term of power/Torque, handling and comfort.

    you can’t compare small sedan car with sedan car…they are quite different segment. Some more they are different in engine capacity…although only 100cc differences. You should compare Persona with Nissan Latio or Altis 1.6 or Sentra 1.6 gua…i think..but Persona really showed lots improvements..well done…

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  • fastcx (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 3:08 pm

    leongylun, u cant say like that, persona is in which segment? B? if B then compare with vios and city la, altis isnt in B segment, Waja is the one should compare to altis, u cant compare them with engine capacity, its not auto race :D car segment created for a purpose to identify which car is for which segment, some like latio might even have cabin space like C segment car, but tats latio, today’s star is persona ;)

    Julianlee, for 44999 u can get what oversea? state 1 pls. n tell me whether u really tried them or just listen to who n who said so?

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  • longjaafar (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 3:08 pm

    At last! A car that Proton can be proud of. It has all the attributes that appeals to the bulk of Malaysian car owners.
    One thing that pleased me is it’s cavernous boot which would appeal to families and golfers.
    The Proton designers have a winning formula in terms of design and I think it will do very well.

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  • fastcx (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 3:10 pm

    leongylun, shouldnt say like tat, u should compare by segment, what segment is vios n city in? B? what’s persona? B also rite? so y cant compare those in same segment? its not race, dnt compare engine capacity…altis is for waja to compete

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  • 4G63T DSM (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 3:32 pm

    200 over posts….

    No doubt that The Persona looks better and maybe “built better” and priced quite attractively. Stopped by the showroom yesterday. They still could have made a better steering wheel. Would like an option of a manual for the H-line.

    Question is, isn’t the market too saturated already? I mean, Perodua gobled up a good chunk of the mkt last year with the Myvi, and Proton itself exhausted the low end market with the Saga (which no doubt put some brakes on the Viva)

    and lets just face it. it’s still expensive. a 5 year loan with a 20K downpayment will still run you about 700 per month. Not exactly budget priced for the low to mid income families. Anything over a 5 year loan would be financially silly (as of this calculation, you are already paying $100/mth on interest).

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  • wildthingz (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 3:57 pm

    congrate proton, nice baby u have.but there is some thing i think need to be improved …..the meter panel and the stering wah that stering macam itu plastik rejected its make pesona like kereta potong lah and meter panel can u make it more exclusive bcuz pesona more to exclusive vehichle rather than sport one overall good one more thing that spoiler baik tak yah cam tak wujud jer i tengok tadi hahahahahahahahah

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  • adunadun (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 4:06 pm

    i read some body look down to p1. buy RM44999 car which 10times better??
    hello….name me 3 other country that geografically big as Malaysia that dont have their own brand car but their standard of living better and their have big number of expert engineer in anyfield much then us? taiwan may be? 2 more others? if we dont have p1 and p2 , do you think we could catch up korea?

    What ever p1 done, it will never make everyone sattisfied, 44999 got 10x better? huh! be reallistic loh.

    but paultan,thanks for ur review, very good reading material

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  • proton GL (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 4:15 pm

    WAJA?

    remaining current waja will go to Iran,
    next…. new waja is to come , another excitement,

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  • Skyline (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 4:22 pm

    JulianLee,

    If u think car from others country better, better u live there hehe

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  • calvin5189 (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 4:26 pm

    pipzs said,
    August 16, 2007 @ 2:33 pm

    wht’s there to argue and bash around? proton did their bests.. just take it this way, if u like it, u buy it and if u dont, u go find another car… and when u keep bashin’, i tell y’all got no point at all because the final product has been launched and it can’t be changed… so be it… kan? kan?… whetever it is, i am booking one soon, it’s gonna be my first proton car…. suitable and effordable for a family type of car.. and “duuuhhhh”, everyone knows persona is a gen2 base, so say no more… don’t get suprised one day proton do a neo sedan, savvy sedan, waja hatchback and whtsoever… let them be… they have their own achievements and targets… i also heard that lots of goverments staff now using vios&city, so this persona purpose is to attracts them who changed to vios&city today…

    Very good , I agree with you.

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  • ezralimm (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 4:43 pm

    JULIANLEE2 said,
    August 16, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
    well, not in malaysia, in other countries, what i meant was for that kind of money i can buy cars 10 times better in other countries, the tax here is too high, a tax is fine, but it should be lower
    _____________________________________________________
    My god you are misguided.
    Dont believe? Go check out ACTUAL ON_THE_ROAD (OTR) PRICES OF CARS IN OTHER COUNTRIES.

    RM50 for a ~1200kg sedan….OTR.

    (if NAP/Proton didnt exist – no extra tax on foreign cars.)
    The cheapest Corolla would be ~RM75k OTR
    The cheapest Civic would be ~RM80k OTR

    The cheapest Corolla in Australia is about RM72k. while the civic is close to RM80k.

    As someone mentioned, it IS bigger than the Vios. The Vios/City (~RM52k OTR if NAP/Proton didnt exist) should be compared with the upcoming Proton BLM instead.

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  • tanasi (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 5:20 pm

    Be realistic la people. It’s not a Dalcia Logan or a beca. Sub 45k also people complaint? Come on. What do you expect, Proton to ammortize the factory for 100 years, vendors to quote price for 5,000,000 units/year? Pay the engineers RM600 per month? Come on, have some sense.

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  • Dogster (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 5:22 pm

    “#
    mattyboy said,

    August 16, 2007 @ 11:38 am

    Dogster – now you win title of the most stupid person to post! Of course I have seen the picture you fool else why would I post.

    I urge you to go look at the picture yourself, now, go on, then come back and tell me what those two gauges are!

    The one on the left has a pic of a petrol pump with markings 0, 1/2 and 1/1 where as the one on the right has a pic of a thermometer with markings 60, 90, 120 degress celcius.

    Now, any person with one iota of a brain would sum up that one gauge is for fuel and one is for water coolant temp – I will let you guess which one!

    U blind isit? Paul also said there are 2 petrol meters there.. And mind your language pls.

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  • BanyakMasukWorkshop (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 5:27 pm

    JULIANLEE2

    car tax is high in malaysia.. but when you live in the UK, or Australia..etc. your income tax will kill you dude, about 30%+ or more of your income will go to the govt. ;) dont forget the higher cost of maintenance, insurance..etc… and the cost of goods and services will also will kill you.

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  • boredofschmucks (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 5:30 pm

    it’s tiring to read unconstructive comments….

    grow up!Comments/critics are welcome but baseless bashing are going nowhere.If you have a need to do some mindless/baseless bashing, go open up ur own blog or something

    It is true Proton has sins in the past and it is true they still have it now. But from what I can see,they are trying very hard to repent and do a better job. Of course they can’t do everything in one go!Who can???Is Perodua doing a better job?I can honestly say they do but if you look from a different point of view,they are not!Assembling cars cost less than building your own car.Proton is trying to stand on it’s own but if people keeps on kicking them,how can they?At least they are trying to create a pool of people who are capable of designing their own car @ R&D wise

    Design wise?Who in the world can design a car and satisfy 100% of the viewer?None.Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You have the right to say it’s ugly but you are kicking below the belt by saying the designers are stupid and don’t know how to design.why don’t you apply a job to become one? It’s not as easy as drawing a table and manufacture it.It involves lots of procedure, consideration,manufacturing limitation,vendors capabilities,budget etc..etc…

    Automotive sector is a difficult industry where you invest millions/billions for 1 model and gain little from it.The way to go is to reduce cost and capture as much market volume as possible!

    I sincerely believe Persona has what it needs to push Proton to a better state but it depends on market perception.It has taken into consideration of what the public want’s and don’t in the product.So it now up to marketing and public likes/dislikes

    Just by looking the car you can judge it?Poor weight balance?WOW!You must be padawan of Nostrodamus! Drive the car dulu lah…go see it…feel it …experience it.After that,if you feel the car is not to your taste,jangan belilah!Habis cerita.If you feel you need to comment,go ahead,by all means but don’t bash when you have not drive the car or personally feel and see the car. Telling a bad stories about Proton based on what you heard from another basher does not count.Its a statement of you wanting a cheap publicity and to make your self heard

    Proton habiskan duit rakyat? Proton have been standing on its own 2 feet financially when they launch WAJA.The money is from their own pocket! Government don’t give money to Proton,it’s the other way round! They have their own reserves. So stop saying habiskan duit rakyat. I doubt the tax you are paying goes to Proton. That is if you pay tax la….

    ABS?Airbag?Sure I want those but there are people who don’t want them.(don’t ask me why). So options are there.If you want,buy the ML or HL lah. Don’t have enough money but still wants a new car,buy the Low Line versionlah. Don’t like it?Don’t buylah!As simple as that!

    Expensive?Donno what to saylah…. nak berapa baru murah?RM30k?RM20k? Be reasonable. Kalau mampu beli kereta lain yang lagi mahal,silakan.Tak mampu beli pada harga RM45k,beli kereta lain yg mampu.The power is in your hand!

    I have my own grudges with Proton but not to the extend of lowering myself by mindless/baseless bashing

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  • david_loves_cars (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 5:35 pm

    interesting watching this discussion…it takes a while for people to put some grudges down…but i can see most people are pretty reasonable and call it as it is. good deserves credit.

    proton has made genuine effort to produce a good car, look right at an acceptable price point. in simple terms it probably is a good car and that is a real victory for a company that we all (me too) started to write off.

    let’s give them a bit of credit and see how they fight back. who knows….they still have a chance of fighting on the world stage…and let’s face it, not a bad effort for a small player with very, very limited resources compare to company like toyota, omg!

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  • david_loves_cars (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 5:42 pm

    i am beginning to like the under-dog! lolz

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  • Skyline (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 6:05 pm

    Boredofschmucks,

    I like your comments.. Just to add some..

    Actually, Proton contribution to gov is more than u all think. Proton have improve our economy. U all see at Shah alam la last 20 years.. Not like some people just talk only, live at malaysia but give contribution to others country.

    I buy Persona, I also contribute to Malaysia economy hehe. Merdeka!!!

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  • orangetribal (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 6:07 pm

    just got a hands on look at the persona.didnt really like the steering wheel,looks flimsy like those used in the arcade games.seats are like easy to spoil but as a whole if offers great space inside.exterior the car looks solid and rigid.very executive-ish infact it’s rear view is a lil bit like mini-Camry(waitin for the R3 bodykit =)).offers a lot of compartment space but only thing i hope P1 would change the steering wheel and cover the cloth-like cushion with leather as its easy to get dirty.
    as a whole,i am in love with this car after waja and truly what the others said is true,Proton has evolve into something that we can be proud of.

    MES QUE UN CAR!!!!

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  • kennyyeoh (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 6:11 pm

    hmmm, im not a proton fan but always admired how the waja performed, never how it looked. Why did they reverted the design back to gen2? it never looked good as itself yet it does look better here, yet not impressive. true that the price has went down to cater to the masses, but it could have done so much better utilising the neo body with some modification to make it look proportionate as a sedan. I for one likes how the neo looks and if it was 4doors i would have bought one by now, i just fell it was a fabulous model..as for this i think will pass. true the myvi isnt as spacious as it gets but it sure is a sight for sore eyes. want that much of space? then go for the waja, im very sure it does offer a lot more than just that….just my 2 cents

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  • mr_chubab (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 6:19 pm

    im pround wit the new peson produced by proton..congrat proton
    i juz womder about the fuel comsumption on this new persona..anyone can tell me??paul

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  • avanza (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 6:29 pm

    Does anybody understand why Proton is still producing the Waja along with the physically identically Persona? Price also almost identical. Paul? Anyone?

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  • peYno-1 (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 6:42 pm

    Omedetou Proton..

    REAL MAN /FAMILY MAN definetely will go for SEDAN car.. now Persona is a good choice..

    then who wanna buy Myvi??? Ah soos ,aunties will

    prrrfthhh

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  • 2ST (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 6:42 pm

    Dear Watchman of Proton:

    Night Watchman
    Once upon a time the government had a vast scrap yard in the middle of a desert. Congress said someone may steal from it at night, so they created a night watchman position (GS-4) and hired a person for the job.

    Then Congress said, “How does the watchman do his job without instruction?” So they created a planning position and hired two people: one person to write the instructions (GS-12) and one person to do time studies (GS-11).

    Then Congress said, “How will we know the night watchman is doing the tasks correctly?” So they created a Q.C. position and hired two people, one GS-9 to do the studies and one GS-11 to write the reports.

    Then Congress said, “How are these people going to get paid?” So they created the following positions, a timekeeper (GS-09) and a payroll officer (GS-11) and hired two people.

    Then Congress said, “Who will be accountable for all of these people?”

    So they created an administrative position and hired three people: an Admin. Officer (GM-13), an Assistant Admin. Officer (GS-13) and a Legal Secretary (GS-08).

    Then Congress said, “We have had this command in operation for one year and we are $18,000 over budget, we must cutback overall cost,” so they laid off the night watchman.

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  • 2ST (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 7:07 pm

    Irma Hisham kene tukar kete la.Bulan depan gaji baru dah start.
    me?still using green car la.protect environment maa.

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  • monomania (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 7:21 pm

    guys, guys,

    come and think of it, it is the PROTON style. The style of a national car which resembles since day 1. If you are comparing with the others it wouldn’t be fair to both. If budget allows go get a better car, at least proton is making its best effort. Thumbs up for the Persona!

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  • cetait (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 7:26 pm

    #
    Skyline said,

    August 16, 2007 @ 4:22 pm

    JulianLee,

    If u think car from others country better, better u live there hehe

    —-

    Ironic from someone named Skyline.

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  • azmiam (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 7:48 pm

    This is good stuff. Lesson learnt to all the designer, automotive engineer, powertrain engineer in Proton….. do your market survey, engage your customer & ignore your management if they are lost touch with the customers because they will still drive their BMWs or Merc, its the PEOPLE out there that will buy these cars NOT the MANAGEMENT. Again, I belive PESONA will have a bright future and probably will save Proton future. However, continue to improve your quality and the most important aspect right now is to build a car with all the specs which PESONA offers right now BUT with better fuel economy….. its a challenge!

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  • torishimeyakuin (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 7:49 pm

    GOsh…the comments spread like wildfire..

    Well i just wanna say:

    Congratulations to Proton for their new lunched model – Persona.
    Kudos to Paultan for the review and…
    To Malaysians people out there, it’s up to you..you determine it.Should it meet your taste and expectation, so get it…if not, well.. like i said , it’s up to you, your money..your choice.Make the right decision folks !
    But in case you put Persona, Honda City and Toyota Vios in the same league…i’d say, i’ll go for Persona anyway.

    Cheers all..

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  • Remedy (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 8:00 pm

    proton basher.. ill give u ‘luahan hati engineer proton’.. u read this and ill sure will cool u down.. leave ur email please..

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 8:10 pm

    JULIANLEE2 said,

    August 16, 2007 @ 2:10 pm

    why do we have to pay so much for cars, for RM44,999 i can buy a lot more cars
    which are 10 times better

    ANS: Please name. I’m sure everyone in this forum wanted to know. Since you got good stuff might as well share with us.

    ———————————————————————–
    orangetribal said,

    August 16, 2007 @ 6:07 pm

    just got a hands on look at the persona.didnt really like the steering wheel,looks flimsy like those used in the arcade games.seats are like easy to spoil but as a whole if offers great space inside.exterior the car looks solid and rigid.very executive-ish infact it’s rear view is a lil bit like mini-Camry(waitin for the R3 bodykit =)).offers a lot of compartment space but only thing i hope P1 would change the steering wheel and cover the cloth-like cushion with leather as its easy to get dirty.
    as a whole,i am in love with this car after waja and truly what the others said is true,Proton has evolve into something that we can be proud of.

    MES QUE UN CAR!!!!

    ANS: Yes, I also don’t really like the steering wheel too. However, I will disagree with you about the seat. My aunty’s BMW 3 Series E46 seat also spoiled. Sometimes it depends how the owner treat their own cars. Always remember no car manufacturers produce 100% perfect car with perfect quality and 100% accepted by all people.

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  • schdmitz (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 8:18 pm

    Look at this OLD NEW CAR really dissapointed lah…..Do they improve the fuel consumption???? at this moment i wan to sale of 1.8 Waja…….the minyak really KUAT….RM 10 only go for 30km or less….anybody interested????

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  • tech.titan (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 8:33 pm

    you made a good point there boredofschmucks.

    anyway, from automotive point of view, you can’t compare proton with toyota, honda, etc.. (toyota and honda spend huge amount of money in F1. citroen and subaru in rally). proton is a small automotive player. so their budget is also small. proton tries to define the meaning of a malaysian car, designed and built by malaysian. it’s totally different when some others still rebadged.

    A friend of mine is working with Lotus Engineering Malaysia. She told me if original interior for Gen.2 (not the current ugly, cheap ones) is implemented it will cost around 90K++ per car. Yes it will look thousand times better (i have seen the photo) but who will buy it? At the end of the day, cost saving is what you see in Gen.2 today.

    If you say Gen.2 (or Persona) design is ugly, i believe honda city is even uglier. The beauty lies in its beholder my friend.

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  • Frostfire (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 8:44 pm

    Just went to see persona just now and all i can say is i’m really proud of it and proton! satria neo is already great improvement and persona is much much more better. So you can see where proton is heading. In fact i believe they already improve from savvy, it’s just that the savvy is a bit overpriced otherwise it would have been a success already from then. Pricing for this persona is very tempting.

    Persona= nice exterior and interior+lots of accessories+awesome boot space = GREAT VALUE!

    Kudos to Paultan for a nice review and congrats to the proton management and teams!

    I will definitely get this one.

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  • frezzoed (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 8:48 pm

    halo people out there…to mattyboy..of coz i know this car only have one fuel tank.even everyone also know that.but dun just simply said that im stupid k.i just wanna share the mistake that made by proton.and to proton also,dun just think the money,how to sell the car…check the quality first.i also dunno how many car that fitted with this NICE fuel gauge..hehehe

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  • GlowJo (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 8:52 pm

    JULIANLEE2 said,

    August 16, 2007 @ 2:10 pm

    why do we have to pay so much for cars, for RM44,999 i can buy a lot more cars
    which are 10 times better

    ANS: Please name. I’m sure everyone in this forum wanted to know. Since you got good stuff might as well share with us.
    ————————————————————–

    I know one kereta that does not use any fuel, better than toyota or hybrid or electric cars!!! Kereta Lembu low maintenance just add some water and grass!!!

    JulianLee2, I wanna book one for weekend driving!!!
    p/s : JuanLee please think before you write, or else you’ll sound somebody with an IQ 12.

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 8:56 pm

    Can’t wait to check out Proton Persona on Saturday. From the picture, one of the design I like is the door trim (interior) where the power windows buttons located as like Wira, Perdana and Waja plus the interior door opener which look alike like those in Wira and Perdana or can be say Waja too. Gone is the weird round shape that found in Gen2 and Satria Neo. I hope the Satria Neo will have such the design too except for the dashboard still can be maintain same look like the current one but with better materials even better than this Proton Persona, that will be GREAT!

    May I know when the Waja CPS and Gen2 facelift CPS will be launched? Thanks if can give me some clue.

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  • frezzoed (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 9:04 pm

    thanks paul for reveal the mistake that made by them.i just wanna share.at least now they know what is their mistake.they must improve their QC in order to avoid this thing happen again.

    to mattyboy…
    i know that u are very expert with the car.what bout the people that dunno anything bout the car???what do u think when they see this car with 2 fuel gauge???of coz they also surprised with this thing.so mind ur words b4 say anything k.

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  • BigFish (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 9:10 pm

    Just now went to Jalan Puchong to has a look at Persona. Personally my opinion is it is just a normal decent basic car. Perhaps we Malaysian public suffer too much and too long with Proton quality issues that when Persona come out minus the 1001 problems, it look like a great car if compare to older models. If this car benchmark with others makes like City, Latio or Vios with same B segment, then do Persona on par if not better?

    For it price range of RM 45K to RM 55K, it look like Proton make some effort to come out with decent quality at more competitively price car. One thing I don’t like is the eteering, yaks like my wife Kancil chepor steering. The rest is good in its class. Another, go eat beehoon, cake and drink to enjoy at the showroom!

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  • topgunthang (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 9:11 pm

    yea they are just fiddling around. could have done this 2-3 years ago. every other major car new car will improve alot frm the previous model. this improvement is puny. too puny to compete. but it will sell, coz people cant hold out any longer. need to replace thier car. proton will just wait you out. they understand you wont be able to afford taxed up cars.

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  • BanyakMasukWorkshop (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 9:40 pm

    topgunthang: to be fair bro, proton’s new management has only taken over just barely 1 year and 8 months ago. to say proton could have done this 2-3 years ago pretty much explains why the management was changed right?

    and its unfair of you to insinuate that people are now forced to buy a persona as if hey didnt have any choice. They still have naza, korean, and of course, malaysias best selling car, the myvi.

    sounds like no matter what the situation is for proton, you still have to say something negative.

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  • proton12vauto (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 9:54 pm

    got huge boot, can put NGV for better FC.

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  • owaief (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 10:02 pm

    went to see the persona just now…i must say..this car is so freakn reasonably priced!! 45k-55k for a 1.6 sedan. what more do those “bashers” want?? yes, it is the same as gen2, yes, it has the same engine, who cares? 45k only!!! and one more thing….the color scheme (including the black speedometer) really do make the car look and feel more classy and upmarket….

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  • mits27 (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 10:08 pm

    The engine is the weekest part, if the engine come with VLM sure will help the low torque power for auto transmission…

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  • mits27 (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 10:10 pm

    The engine is the weakest part, if they have the VML, it sure will helps the low power of anti transmission…

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  • Aril (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 10:54 pm

    i step in the car today…OK..Comfort front and back, but at the front seat after i close the door, the door panel seem a bit close to driver. Emm, trunk quite ok but so deep inside . other than that fabulous….I try to spot the wire that paul mention under dashboard, luckily i didnt find it..hehehehe..So far this car will boost Proton as it would be..

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  • Prem3377 (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 10:55 pm

    i went to 4 showrooms to check the same car!!luckily all different colour,the blueberry tea is by far the best colour!!the quality seem to be better in certain parts but some other parts remain the same!!luckily the certain part is not frequently used button!!the button which paul mention were terrible..not only we dont know if we its on or what but we dont even know if its pressed or what!!same as the previous gen2..but maybe this is due to the same reasons as the rear light so we hope for the best for the facelift version!!rest of the car is very good and a decent effort by proton!!they did listen to many of us and followed what the japanese been doing since late 90’s!!the door trim is the best of all the improvement and that how proton should have done.

    all the best Proton!!hope this is the beginning and better cars will roll out from proton!!

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  • frezzoed (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 10:58 pm

    one more thing…thanks to DOGSTER.only people that really know bout car knows this all.hehe…read carefully before said sumting…dun simply say stupid.now,that person who say that is really stupid…huh

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  • Aril (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 11:00 pm

    spoke with the salesman…recently they went to glenmarie for CPS engine training..maybe they need to understand technical issue before intoduce to customer..But the engine will be next year fitted in Gen2 and waja. He said that CPS will come with folding side mirror and other new tech part.. Good for PROTON

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  • alexking (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 11:18 pm

    i like it….but just like the toyota vios model…….

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  • observerV (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 11:21 pm

    deifinitely looks better than the ugly GEN2.
    However for the performance and quality, its too early to judge.
    Just wait and see. Good response and i will be getting one.

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  • mits27 (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 11:25 pm

    I just compare the weight between persona and city, the weight of persona quite heavy; persona: 1180 – 1210 kg vs city: 1090 kg, and the perona engine lack of VLM or CPS, which made the car quite slow on low speed for auto transmission. I think the weight of persona is due to the enforce protection bar from side door and the width of the car…not sure…

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  • LittleFire85 (Member) on Aug 16, 2007 at 11:55 pm

    JULIANLEE2 said,

    August 16, 2007 @ 2:10 pm

    why do we have to pay so much for cars, for RM44,999 i can buy a lot more cars
    which are 10 times better

    ANS: Please name. I’m sure everyone in this forum wanted to know. Since you got good stuff might as well share with us.

    ————————————————-

    I can give u some.. since he say cars only, so i consider second hand car also..
    2002-04 Waja 30k between, 97-00′ perdana also below 40k, 97-00′ Toyota Corrola SEG 1.6L below 40k,Sentra 1.6L & 1.8L below 40k, 97-98′ Camry 2.2GX below 40k, Honda Civic 97-99′ With Vtec between 45k; no Vtec below 40k, 97-98 Honda Accord 2.0L & 2.2L SM4 between 40k.. All these car can still be loan… Well.. I can tell that Civic 1.6L Vtec can win both is style, elegent, power and FC.. Who don’t like the 97′ Eagle eye civic ferio?

    Besides that, for performance tuners.. 40k is alot man.. U can get 90′ RX-7, Celica, Galant VR4, Civic DOHC type R, Wira GSR,Evo, Mivec.. Is a lot.. U buy the secondhand car megazine u can find a lot of performance car just below 40k.. but these are mainly Cash..

    If u people still dreaming that Campro is malaysian made engine, just ask the salesman from proton… I already confirm twice this day that Campro is made and modified from Renault engine. 1 is from Eddie Chan and another is Shela from Autocity Juru.. They don’t admin it at first, but when i ask why Waja 1.8L & Savvy use Renault engine? They at last admit it that in their training their supervisor told them not to tell customer to cut the fear of people about Renault expensive spare parts… !@#!@$ AT Last my instinct is TRUE! The only Thing Campro technology made in Malaysia is CPS+VIM! If u want the salesman hp, u can phone him and ask him about it! Eddie Chan 012-4163577. He also told me that proton will hard to survive if they dont faster came out the CPS+VIM engine.. A lot of customer complain of buying the Expensive Gen.2 compare to this persona lolz…

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  • Paul Tan on Aug 17, 2007 at 12:17 am

    littlefire85: if you do not have hard concrete proof that the campro is based off a renault engine, i urge that you stop throwing those statements around whenever you feel like it. someone in proton might decide to call a lawyer to do something about it.

    i personally know some proton powertrain engineers, one of them is a good friend of mine and he confirms what your so called trusted salesman says are absolute lies. i have even had a salesman telling me the campro is an f1 engine prototype. says something about salesman credibility. why do you think proton has efforts such as livemarketing? to get the truth across.

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  • BanyakMasukWorkshop (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 12:37 am

    LittleFire85:
    to be honest with you, your most recent posting is by far, one of the most silliest postings i’ve ever read on paul’s blog.

    considering you are making such outrageous claims, i’m surprised the only info you got are from 2 so-called sales people? (whom you’ve even posted up a phone number)

    dont you even have the “intelligence” to do your own research of a subject that is so obviously well documented?

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  • trasher (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 12:38 am

    LITTLEFIRE85:

    SOME REMARKS TO YOU…

    YOU REALLY LIFT UP TO YOUR NAME:LITTLEFIRE COS YOU REALLY NO GUTS AND GIVE NEGATIVE REMARKS WITHOUT KNOWING THE FACT.

    PLEASE HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE, SECONDHAND CAR LIKE YOU LOST YOUR VIRGIN. NEXT TIME IF COMPARE, PLEASE COMPARE APPLE TO APPLE. IF DONT KNOW, GO BACK SCHOOL AND STUDY. SOMEMORE YOU SLAPPING YOUR OWNSELF WITH YOUR REMARK “but these are mainly Cash”. YOU THINK EVERYONE GOT ON HAND 40k CASH TO BUY A SECOND HAND CAR. IF DO, 40k CASH TO BUY SECONDHAND CAR, ANOTHER 20k TO MAKE IT AS NEW AS POSSIBLE, ANOTHER FEW HUNDRED BUCK FOR FIRST 3TIMES SERVICE COS NEW CAR COMES WITH 3 FREE SERVICE OR 10,OOOkm OR MORE. THEN END UP YOU OWN A ‘LOST’ VIRGIN CAR AT A COST OF 60k+. WORST YOUR SO CALL ‘NEW’ CAR IS 5-10YEARS OLD. SIGH…LITTLEFIRE85 = WORST IN DOING COMPARISON.

    LASTLY IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON PUBLIC FORUM, PLEASE DO NOT EMPHASIS THE SALESPERSON NAME WHO GIVE YOU REMARK. THE SALESPERSON MAYBE NEW GUY ON THE BLOCK, SO HE MAY NOT KNOW MUCH AND SHOULD GIVEN A CHANCE. IF THOSE REMARK NOT FROM THEM AND YOU MAKE UP THE STORY, YOU MAY JEOPARDISE THEIR CAREER. IF WANT TO COMPLAINT ON THEIR WRONG REMARK, DIRECTLY TO THEM OR TO THEIR MANAGER AND NOT IN A FORUM. SOMEMORE YOU PUT HIS HP NO? R U LOST YOUR MIND OR YOU TOTALLY IDIOT. PUT YOURSELF IN HIS SHOE, IF YOU SAW PEOPLE TALK BAD ABOUT YOURSELF AND PUBLISH YOUR HP NO AND NAME, HOW YOU FEEL?

    PLEASE USE YOUR BRAIN NEXT TIME…

    PAULTAN: I AGREE WITH YOUR REMARK. I RECOMMEND FORUMER LIKE LITTLEFIRE85 COMMENT SHOULD BE REMOVE AS HE MAKE BAD REMARKS ON OTHER PEOPLE WITH THE DISPLAY OF THE ‘VICTIM’ NAME AND HP NO.

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  • BanyakMasukWorkshop (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 12:49 am

    mits27,

    the city and vios we have in malaysia are “asia only” cars..
    do you want to know the weight of the vios? only 980kg

    thats only 17kg heavier than a savvy(963kg)

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  • king (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 12:51 am

    crully,

    only prob is if change the steering wheel outside will lose the airbag n audio controls…sooo unpractical. only practical for base line model.

    one more thing, this car feels at least 100kg++ heavier than gen2. just the doors alone are so much heavier….about 3 times the weight of viva’s paper thin door. but the spec shows roughly the same weight as gen2.

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  • Prem3377 (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 12:53 am

    LittleFire85,

    again another crap from you!!how can you trust a salesman??yesters a lady saleswomen told me that the h line version will have shiftronics..and i had to explain to her and tell her to be acurate with the info!!

    this is third time i am asking you to stop your crap!!how can you give out people number and name in this kinda website??are you mad??

    paul i think you should ban this kinda people here or atleast delete his comments!!

    he is putting eddie chan in trouble(even if i dont know if he exist or what)but what u did is very wrong man!!

    and how a company like proton lie to its customer and people as you claim??its so stupid of you and your action of revealing others indentity is a prove of how immature you are!!

    please grow up man!!!do not spread rumuors and stop talking crap!!ur instinct is absolute dumbness!!

    you should stop writing here man!!!or stop craping and be logical,practical and please stop using ur instinct!!!!!

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  • king (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 12:58 am

    littlefire,

    u sure that was a proton salesman or p2 salesman?

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  • Prem3377 (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 12:58 am

    Paul,
    did you sit at the rear seat?anyone else did??i think there is a problem and a few people who was in the showroom agreed..the rear seat is too upright..so its not comfortable..its like sitting on the dinning chair…its me or others here felt the same?

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  • by2k_maverick (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 1:27 am

    Hmm… Well, being new around here I didn’t know that there was such a review going on until Google led me here. I saw tons of fliers and heard news of the new Persona, so I thought I might as well save the few Ringgit of Petrol and see if the trip to the showroon is worth my money.
    Sadly, there are many critic’s posting here who might enjoy life in heaven rather. There is no such thing as a perfect car. Just as there is no such thing as a perfect human being. A good example will be yourself.
    The fact that Proton is actually making ammendments to customer’s feedback shows initiative. And even if the launched models comes with defects, at least they do have the effort made to improve their future models.
    I was wishing on Silverfish’s side though. I was hoping for some of the specs from the H-Line. I don’t really fancy the Airbags and the ABS/EBD. I was actually crossing my fingers for the disc brakes. And being a person with a Heavy Foot Syndrom, I was hoping that they had the CPS integrated. Never mind bout that though. Like I said, there isn’t a perfect car.
    I’ll be making that trip to the showroom thanks to Paul, and if the real thing there really make an impression on me, I might just get one myself. After all, my 12 year old Iswara is all worned out and starting to scream at 6,000 rpm.

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  • paxter (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 2:13 am

    Damn i was thinking of changing my car… persona is not bad for the price you are paying. It is a last ditch for proton, i bet pm tiu them nicely prior to the car release. Anyway i saw this car and brand name a month back was tempted to show it to you guys but its P&C. Its great that they manage to make a decent product. Which is good, trend, savvy, neo(sort off) and this one.

    Anyway proton being proton, i am going to sit on my $$$ and see how the first batch like this car. I love the robot arm ad. Esp the toy at the end. lol

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  • by2k_maverick (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 2:31 am

    To: boredofschmucks
    Well, I’m one of those petrolheads who don’t want the ABS and EBD. Trust me. If you ever get a chance to sit in my car with me driving, you’ll understand why. The only time the rpm stays below 4,000 is in a bumper to bumper traffic. And I have to say, great comment there.

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  • Remedy (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 2:39 am

    To littleFIRE

    “Kalau kita lalu kat kawasan glenmarie tu, akan ternampak lah satu tanda… Kilang Enjin Proton. Tanda tu tak duduk kat situ untuk suka suka je. Kalau kita jengok kat dalam…. Boleh nampak besi cair yang dituang kedalam acuan untuk membuat enjin block. Memang proton ada mengimpot enjin tapi dari kelas 1.2 dan 2 liter. 1.2liter untuk Savvy (enjin Renault) dan 2.0liter untuk Perdana. Tapi untuk enjin 1.3, 1.5, 1.6 proton buat sendiri. Untuk pintu pulak… hanya kereta-kereta Perdana sahaja yang proton beli pintu dari Mitsubishi. For your information, Untuk membuat pintu sahaja memerlukan dekat 20 acuan. Bayangkan lah 4 pintu. Modal itu shaja sudah hampir RM50 juta. So untuk kereta yang volume kecil, kita beli dari luar. Untuk kereta Isawara, Wira, Waja, Gen2, Savvy… 100% body dibuat di Malaysia .”

    p/s : extract from article “luahan engineer proton”,

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  • DrA (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 5:10 am

    This is so going to be a hit!!! I hope the marketing people would work hard on it. This car would actually turn Proton around. I haven’t seen the car in metal, but by the look of it, the fit and finish are superb. And quality has improved. Proton actually listened to us – they put in a glovebox, added not 1 but 2 airbags and its cheap, RM56k for a lot of metal. I would choose this over KIA spectra/sephia anytime. WELL DONE Proton!!!!!

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  • Remedy (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 5:17 am

    ya.. lots of metal.. same size as vios.. but 200kg heavier.. huh..

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  • PTAllTheBest (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 5:22 am

    I think many smart consumers did not like the design of the steering, the rim, the seat and so on. But there is someone who comments to change the steering if they dun like.
    So what is the point of having to change the accessory on a newly bought car. Who want to pay for another few K on an old new car that cost at 50K. This is the most stupid consumer I never meet.
    If you thought that u are very rich then how bout u buy a brand new skyline or 350Z and modify it like a superGT and race at sepang. U can smoke a Ferrari on that.
    Even the stock ICE bluepunk head unit also very fugly. $H!#!!!

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  • PTAllTheBest (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 5:25 am

    now ppl will not compare car segment by segment. they only think which that is worth buying.
    first of all is the FC. like the previous comment 1.8L only goes for 30km with RM10. damn, very high FC. I very pity for u. sorry no offend. now ppl dun prefer power comparison. a different between 1.3 and 1.6 is not very much. so if compare this old new car and myvi sure myvi wins.
    secondly is the space inside the car. now myvi wins a lot.
    third is the quality. everyone know that p1 quality suxx. $H!#!!! a car with 2 fuel gauge. those QC ppl sleeping everyday inside the factory.
    conclusion is better buy city or vios or save a few K go for myvi.
    for honda city, a single penny u save on your fuel u can buy another myvi.

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  • BigFish (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 5:42 am

    Comments so much, let the sales figure do the “last talking”!

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  • BigFish (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 6:18 am

    I am not an engineer, but with relatively heavy body in it segment couple with Campro non fuel efficient, do this car have relatively high FC? For those looking for budget car, FC is one of major consideration.

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  • PTAllTheBest (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 6:20 am

    hey! big bro.
    forum is for ppl to give comments freedomly. then y do forum exist?
    pls dun simply ban and block some ppl from commenting.
    btw, this is a democracy country. everybody has freedom to talk.
    we have to accept every good and bad comments given.
    after look then forget it la! just to laugh only ma. y do some ppl wan to take it seriously ler???

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  • prometheus (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 7:05 am

    steering is quite nice for my taste.. why izzit everybody don’t like? Slightly small, thick but not too thick.. It got quite a nice sporty type look.. Not fat in the centre like the old airbag steerings..

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  • BanyakMasukWorkshop (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 9:02 am

    PTAllTheBest – paul still owns this site, and he has the power to decide who to ban, and what get published. you technically dont have the right to do as you please here. please show some respect to him, and the other users here.

    btw, freedom to talk does not translate to “no responsibility for your words”.

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  • awie (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 9:03 am

    dont simply2 critic or banned car design..proton,perodua, toyota, nissan, kia etc got each beautiful n aerodynamic..the most important is quality issues.. Dont even compared the FC between Campro engine & VVTI engine, pls be professional bro..

    if u got extra money..pls go to imported car which u personaly trusted.
    if not u can go proton..so the issues is the cars quality n the service parts.

    if u critics the steering design..pls draw the best steering design then submit to proton..i think they will give u a reward.
    Even do u think LRTdesign is the best, do u think Petronas tower design is best..
    design is subjective bro…

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  • fastcx (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 9:19 am

    PTAllTheBest, freedome of speech comes with responsibility, its not free all along

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  • fastcx (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 9:21 am

    PTAllTheBest, freedom of speech comes with responsibility, not totally free, if u cant even respect others, we wouldnt c u as someone respect urself

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  • lolo (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 9:21 am

    congratz PROTON….saw the PERSONA – meet the parents yesterday in newspaper…very proud of MALAYSIAN..!

    to the basher, dun give silly comments lo….support proton..this is their comeback…we should support PROTON…

    PROTON boleh…!!

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  • skizzo75 (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 9:30 am

    PTAllTheBest said,
    August 17, 2007 @ 5:25 am

    I very pity for u. sorry no offend. now ppl dun prefer power comparison. a different between 1.3 and 1.6 is not very much. so if compare this old new car and myvi sure myvi wins.
    –>WOW MYVI sure win punyer masuk GAUNG HAHAHA maybe ur Mathemathic in SPM Gred 9 pity guy can u email me ur IQ or i can arrange ur one session test for u
    .
    for honda city, a single penny u save on your fuel u can buy another myvi.

    —> WHOOOOA confirm this guy really stupid in mathematic i think 1+1=5 according to u aint it riight…DO YOUUUU UNDERSTAND MEEE OR DO I HAVE TO SPELL IT TO YOU(OR ARE U ALIEN??)

    First of all MYVI suitable for young couple but if u have child than better buy persona or MPV if you can afford one. MYVI bonnet is too small if u put one stroller inside then little space left for you.
    I think persona is a good buy cheap and comfort and value for money. even toyota vios is crammped at the back and it is 1.5 litre only MAAAAA

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  • antnagir (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 10:18 am

    Saw the car. Love the car. Things for Proton to do: –

    1. Change steering wheel.
    2. Change 3 centre knobs.
    3. Put bigger headlamps.
    4. Improve engine performance especially fuel consumtion.

    Congrats Proton !!

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  • clutch_plate (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 10:23 am

    :) Wowwww!! Very hot topic here… there are too many bashers & supporters of proton here but actually it’s balance. hehehe…

    I have go to Proton showroom in Seremban. Hmm.., Personally, nice interior & more comfortable than Gen.2. Easy to access console for power windows and side mirror adjustable button just like Waja. Audio control button on steering wheel. Hey! somebody dun like the steering ah? Apa susah, tukar aje laaa… Itu pun nak bising ke. Heh! It’s subject to eye of beholder man…!

    I don’t think this Persona will kill Waja production. Eventhought it’s have the same engine capacity, personally i think Waja have it’s own ‘class’. Ehehe…, i don’t know why, but only when you own & drive Waja like me, maybe you can feel it! dunno to describe la… ;) anyway, congrats to Proton for their new baby born. At least, they show some effort to improve their built-car quality & try to understand the customers need. To the bashers out there, please give a chance to Proton. Yes, they have a past ‘sin’ under the past management team, but now the new management team is try very hard to clean all the shit from past management. Do u think is easy meh!? Give him a chance. No one is 100% perfect even you all the basher out here.

    Hey! making a car is not easy like a makan kacang man…!! Be reasonable when you give a critics ok!

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  • xstan (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 10:28 am

    Like u Avril & few other Waja fanboys. Anticipate for the release of Waja CPS version. Actually is already available & is awaiting for launch probably by next month. Comparison with Persona, Waja has better room space (+ wider). The new Waja CPS rumored to maintain same price added new enhanced CD player, Motor-Side mirror, HID lights, 16’ Rims, addition new colour choice, leather seats, better safety seatbelt, improvised gear (shiftronic or something), better comfy seats etc in addition to old existing features. Only thing, I prefer Persona Door which is heavier.

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  • wajarion (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 10:28 am

    Hi all!

    I wanted to share my views. Frankly, I do not know much of cars technical things, please correct me if i am wrong.

    Firstly, I do not much concern about FC, well, I am aware of it. But then, its depends on where you drive (city or highway) and how you drive (hardcore type or sentimental type). If you drive like Michael Shumacher, off course your FC is like peeing at the road side.

    2nd, off course I am a bit dissapointed of the Persona design; nothing much of changes and still have the Gen2 faces. But, to make the mould already cost millions and yet Proton just woke up from their financial nightmares. So I can accept the situations. Another things is that, I am not really fussy about the looks of a car. As long as the car can drive me with comfortable, provided with safety, I really most appreciated it.

    3rd, to get a car with the price of RM59k, provided with EBD, ABS, dual Airbag, is really reasonable price compared with others car with same safety features that can almost reach up to RM80k. Pricewise, Proton has offered a good bargain.

    4th, If people really care about the cc; 1.3, 1.6, 1.8, how fast you can speed up? BTW, why want to speeding? Have you lost your mind for not taking consider of safety first? Life is fragile. No matter how good your car is, still you can’t againt the law of physic.

    5th, I bought Waja early of this year. So, hafly frustrated. If i knew this, really worth it for me to wait.

    6th, I am proud to have Malaysian made car. Lets Proton to have their chance to upgrade themselves. For long time they have been in the critical deep shit, at least they have produced Proton’s Persona with same features as others car mufacturers and yet the price offered was really really good. See korean ppl, even though they stayed in Malaysia, still they using theirs korean made cars and why not we?

    Happy Merdeka Day!!

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  • bobtahar (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 10:33 am

    Just looked and feel it at the show room… good job Proton… its a decent proper value for money car. Its not a waja competitor… waja do have its exclusiveness.

    For a big man like me… I hate the power window controller at the door panel… its push my tigh and not comfotable. When I closed the door it feel more cramp than the Gen-2 (I own).

    I dont know why everyone hate the steering… but I love it its small and feel good in the grip….

    One more thing… Why no autocruise on the H-Line. Paul, any idea why?

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 10:44 am

    Mr. Paul Tan, I agree with you comments and remarks on what LittleFire85 said. LittleFire85, your so called trusted salesman is playing with your mind and lying to you. Please use your own intelligent instead of trusting blindly to what everyone have said and told you.

    LittleFire85, JULIANLEE2 said with RM44,999 can buy lots more cars which 10 times better. You helpped by giving me all the second hand cars?

    PTAllTheBest, yes we can say and write freedomly but this freedom have limits including NOT TO INSULT PEOPLE FOR BUYING PROTON PERSONA OR ANY OTHER PROTON CARS! SAYING PEOPLE STUPID?

    I’ve seen lots of people changed their original stock steering wheel to Momo, Recaro and other types of sport steering wheels. As long as the car doesn’t fit with airbag on steering wheel. I even seen lots of people modify and repaint their brand new cars. FREEDOM! They can do anything to their cars!

    Well, people as I said long before. Blind bashers will be always blind basher. No matter how good Proton does, going to do etc. they will bash. No matter how bad other car manufacturers do, they will still say is good thing, good cars and so on. We should give comments and complaints based on the facts and not BLIND BASHING!

    Cheers all and happy motoring to all.

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  • wong (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 11:09 am

    PTAIItheBest, u mention a few times about Myvi..if u already bought it,go enjoy it….downgrading what people like is NOT FREEDOM OF SPEECH,calling CONSUMER STUPID is not a joke for laughs…yes critics and bashers too is important in any industry..even as a person..but being rude and pathetic is not “the’ way…

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  • xstan (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 11:16 am

    PTallthebest likes everything PUNY size. Small capacity & small for him so that his small size body can easily sit the car. He fear driving Family Man cars as he is too short to steer. BTW, he could be a student or maybee Aunty. He can easily park the tight parking sapce lane while doing her marketing. UNDERSTANDABLE.

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  • tec96248 (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 11:35 am

    wow, more than 300 comments already and a lots of nonsenses too. me just tried of the car on the day of launching. nothing much to comment on this car for the price of 45k to 55k. my point of view is that i still don’t like the dashboard and the engine bay.

    if can’t buy lancer 2.0gt, so go for the persona 1.6. something similar on the rear bumper or the dashboard meter gauges. hahaha, still a good choice to hv both myvi and persona.

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  • mukhri88 (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 11:56 am

    Ringgit for ringgit, dollar for dollar, your salary RM2K here and some dude’s salary is AUD2K in Sydney. I ask you how much is a Vios there and here. Reasonable comparison? Don’t convert the currency, doesn’t make sense.

    Anyway, good job Proton for finally shutting down Wira production. From now on maybe we can see new model replacements 10 years apart instead of 15 years?

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  • mukhri88 (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 12:09 pm

    Hey! Maybe we can mod the Persona to look like the Lancer. Some similarities already exists, like the dash, hoffmeister kink, arches. Who was it that said the Lancer dash look ugly? Maybe aftermarket designers are already designing a new tail to look like Lancer. Maybe also can tebuk somewhere on the body for an air scoop.
    Mod the thing up, we might just have something here. Throw in an Evo engine, 18 inch wheels. The works. C’mon, artist’s impression.

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  • BanyakMasukWorkshop (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 12:19 pm

    mukhri88, the guy in australia pays more taxes, and his pays more for food, services..etc.

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  • intermilan (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 12:33 pm

    finally, got some time to post some comments… where’s Joe Ooi? love or hate him, but he’s honest.

    i’ve decided to post only critic ‘highlights’, if you gonna / plan to buy this car hopefully my comments could served as guideance, checklist or tolarance test of some sort for you.

    START
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    Steering – not reach-adjustable. But expected. Nice if have. Overall -> below par, disappointed, too plasticky and its wrong to expect people to ‘balut’ leather themselves. Proton should offer leather steering as an upgrade option (not ‘forced’ optional accessories like usual practice but truly optional.. i guess many people would like it if reasonably price).

    Centre console button – again …not so responsive, not tacky, feel light and cheap as usual. expected but .. *sigh*.

    Rear boot hatch- opening could’ve been bigger but this is not very big deal lah..

    Engine – might be a bit letdown. FC might not be stellar. based on gen-2 comments by many.

    Drive train – no comment.

    Weight – 1200kg is a heavy car. i don’t know how advance is Proton weight reduction technology is but they should improve on this.

    Suspension – i’ve been told its on the comfy side.. i don’t really prefer this but its align with the car design theme.

    Tyre – i’ve suspect the kruizer offer quiet and comfy ride (60 series), align with car design theme. Handling… expected to be so-and-so. Not for spirited drive. Never. But test drive it yourself. Hey, some people thought honda city handling is great! My gosh.. at straight maybe .. but that’s not what handling is all about. oh boy..

    Door lock button – might have intermittent issue – a show model i’ve scrutinised refuse to let the door open for quite a while (to the salesman ambarassment!).

    Chrome / bling-bling radiator and bonnet liner – do not match with its more conservative design theme. But customer reaction on this is always subjective and divided as some do have positive appetite for chrome parts, *sigh*.. i’m not one of them.. aluminium like the door handle ok..)

    safety-oriented equipments – should be made mandatory to all models (at least the driver airbag). Show that you care about safety, the way people understand / thought (or forced / manipulate / mind-shaped to understand.. depends on your view aboutr this).

    crash test – send the LOCAL version for EURO NCAP crash test and publicise the result nationwide. Dare or not, Proton? Must get at least 4-star for occupant protection.

    Seat and door trim – the ‘ala’ alcantara trim for the seat and door panel is welcome but feel slightly a bit on the cheap side. Not plush and durable enuff. Its ok for B or M line model but should offer upgrade, more premium alcantara trim for H-line (leather? maybe later).

    Window control – located at driver door panel… emmm.. they seem to be undecided abt its fixed location.. either to follow the european or the japanese. the button don’t feel tacky enuff but bareable.

    Rear seat – rear leg room a bit cramped. but still acceptable to me. Seat offer the correct sitting position (upright) and therefore support your lower back (very good for long distance journey or any journey for that matter). Some people might think this as not comfortable sitting position, coz they cannot slouch and don’t feel ‘absorb’ by the seat. If you are one of ‘them’ then unfortunately you don’t realise enuff about the right sitting position then. i am satisfied that proton finally improved on this. no more wira sitting position.

    Front seat – also offer sturdier and correct sitting position.

    Ergonomic- This is something that is hard to explain but I’ll try. Personally, when sitting in front seats, I prefer everything to be reachable and the ergomics of dashboard and front seat are designed such that is in ‘harmony’ with the occupants. Whoever sit in front seat should ‘feel’ part of the overall design. Naza Bestari and some new Citroen car are good example. Traditionally French cars do have good ergonomics.

    As for Persona, dashboard and front seat design still not ergonomic enuff. Still feel a little ‘detached’ when I sat in both front seat but still a lot better than gen-2 or myvi (which is too spacious + lack ergonomic glaringly)

    Sitting position – Its still a bit low but not as bad as wira (some people like this thou i.e. sportier driving position but this is not a sport or sporty car. So, there a little confusion in design theme of Persona). The chassis floor should be made lower but then offer a little bit higher sitting position. That should be the perfect design but hardly car been designed this was anymore.

    Steering is not reach-adjustable. But expected. Nice if have.

    Air cond vents – feel cheap and near flimsy.

    Alloy rim – the design is conservative enuff. Align with car design theme. Some might not like it. This is always a difficult one to get right. But people reaction shouldn’t be as bad as neo bling-bling alloy when people first find out. Passable.

    Tail lamp – what can i say..

    Front lamp – as above. but not that bad / pressing for new design.

    Side signal lamp – i wish they dont use that circular design. oval (and clear crystal) seems better.

    Arm rest box – the locking mechanism should have some ‘buffer’ to prevent abrupt closure. surface feel slightly cheap but acceptable. they seem to improve a little on the overall plastic feel.

    Hand brake – convervative design. Acceptable.

    door handle – good improvements over gen-2.

    interior colour scheme – good combo.

    front head rest – wish it could be adjustable (horizontally), in addition to the normal vertical adjustment.

    front bumper – wish they use different design that gen-2 one’s.

    rear brake – cost cutting rule over safety in B & M line model. a little disappointed but you get what you pay. no disc mean no ABS and EBD.

    That is all.. i’ve yet to test-drive it (will do so), so cannot comment on driving dynamics and experience but i took the liberty to put in some comments based on what i’ve seen and been told about.

    My guess is for an affordable sedan, this is in a nutshell, promised to be one fine car. Only time could tell whether its reliable or not in fulfilling our expectations.

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  • wanwnp (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 12:58 pm

    what intermilan said is acceptable..

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  • Aku (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 1:02 pm

    actually with 55k we can get vios, city or mazda3…but since our automotive industry was protected by G, so all that car goes to nearlly around 80k…but we must “berpijak di bumi yg nyata”…u must deal with it since we’re all in m’sia rite…we can blame but cant do nothing….persona is good msia car for msian ppl….

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  • Dogster (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 1:04 pm

    “#
    frezzoed said,

    August 16, 2007 @ 10:58 pm

    one more thing…thanks to DOGSTER.only people that really know bout car knows this all.hehe…read carefully before said sumting…dun simply say stupid.now,that person who say that is really stupid…huh”

    HAHAHAH. I now i be more humble. I gladly give the title of “stupidest person” back to him!!! lol. Print big big for him FOC 2!!!

    Anyway, back to his car. I personally feel that this car can be a little more refined. Change the steering wheel ( instead of copying Mitsubishi), back lights( put leds ) and make a horizontal air-cond control (easier access to control + more legroom).. Should make this a very appealing baby!

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  • prangin (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 1:09 pm

    Congrats to Proton on the latest addition. for RM45K-RM55K, u get a decent looking car that fits the bill for most average msian family. All that’s needed now is the proper execution of marketing strategy (with continued emphasis on family theme) and most importantly, uncompromising after sales n service quality and u’ll see customers will return in droves.

    Just a note to Paul. why no post on the new spectra5 and optima? i noted that even in other auto forums there’s a dearth of discussion on these two models, lack of interest maybe?….

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  • by2k_maverick (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 2:59 pm

    Erm… Just for your general information, I’m not sure how true this fact goes, but from all of my Mechanic friends, the Kia Sephia/Spectra has a very limited lifespan of the engine. I’m not sure if it’s 3 or 5 years whereby after the church bell rings, it’s time to either overhaul the engine or, get a new engine transplant.
    I also forgot to mention that I do know of someone in the Proton’s management team who was working in UMW before. No, the reason he left UMW was not because he was fired. He left because he thought of retiring. When he left UMW, he did not find it normal to lead a life with just an authorised dealership licenced shop selling Toyota’s spare parts. And with the offer from Proton, he went in wanting to make a difference there. Bear in mind, this person was getting a 5 figure sallary in UMW. So, I think you can picture it yourself at what level of management this guy was in.

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  • ezralimm (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    Aku said,
    August 17, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
    actually with 55k we can get vios, city or mazda3…but since our automotive industry was protected by G, so all that car goes to nearlly around 80k…but we must “berpijak di bumi yg nyata”…u must deal with it since we’re all in m’sia rite…we can blame but cant do nothing….persona is good msia car for msian ppl….
    ______________________________________________
    come let’s “berpijak di bumi yg nyata”.

    Find me one other country where you can get a MAZDA3 for RM55k OTR.

    The vios and city are budget cars made for South East Asia.
    Someone mentioned above about Vios in Sydney. Nope. They dont sell the vios range in australia.

    The Mazda3 is a very nice 2.0L car. Good driving characteristics but mediocre fuel consumption as it’s a 2.0L car in 1.6-1.8L territory. It’s baseline model is more pricey than the baseline Civic. Expect to pay about RM85-100k for a MAZDA3 OTR (if Proton/NAP didnt exist).

    The OTR price in melbourne is around RM80k-RM110k. (excluding insurance as it’s not required here. insurance would range from RM3-8k depending on a range of factors)

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  • farghmee (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 3:02 pm

    Guten Tag!

    I’ve always love to drive my mom’s GEn2 HL ( though she seldoms drives it :P ). I don’t like the auto transmsn. My 54 y.o father hates the driver seat. My younger brother, whose height is more than me doesn’t like to sit at the back.

    Erm..we often hear about Economy of Scale..when will we hear Mass Customization next from Proton? Ye la kn..kdg2 nk airbag ABS EBD, core xnk those electronics ( me lah ;) ). It would be a good idea to propose Mass Customization.

    Cadangan je~

    Tschuss!

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  • trasher (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 3:06 pm

    ATTN: PROTON Basher,

    If you are so great, why sit at the back of the monitor and keep bashing,you should be at the RND design a car….When do comparisons,pls be apple to apple.

    Secondly, dont expect pay 1cents and get 20cents worth of product…if you can pay more, PROTON car can be as great as those KOREAN or JAPANESE model. Ask urself, willing to pay or not. IF not then keep your stupid ass mouth shut up!

    Thirdly, if you have that much of money to buy Vios & City, juz go ahead..Even City have transmission problem, big gap..and etc..you pay 80k+ juz buy the HONDA name not the quality,k…

    If you are real driver, you know handling wise, PROTON new model much better than CIty or Vios….

    Lastly, PROTON develop own car, dun compare with PERODUA or NAZA, they do rebadging..The term copy cat please check dictionary the meaning…PERODUA & NAZA is the real copy cat not PROTON cos they dun even have the expertise to develop a fresh car…

    Btw, I just wonder why you all as a basher keep bashing PROTON but end up still driving or intend to buy PROTON car?

    To LittleFire85:
    Listen here, you really lift up to your name, No Gut and blindly shooting around….

    Secondly, use ur stupid brain 2 think not use ur ass to think, next time in public forum, dun mention other people name and HP..either u don have brain or your brain is at ur ass..

    Put urself in this salesperson shoe, suddenly u found out ur name n hp appear in the public forum n get bashing..how u feel? Cold Blooded Idiot!

    think you are the worst person doing an analysis. Feel bad for any company employed you to do analysis, or if you still study if I’m ur teacher sure i will fail u…

    U compare a secondhand car with a new car? u like compare a virign with a non virgin,k…

    well if you have 40k+ cash then you wont buy secondhand car,k…..secondly you buy 40k+ cash for secondhand car, u need to repair which cost another 20k+ plus first 3 service cost..another few hundred bucks..TOTAL you buy old car : 60k+ without warranty, old design, old car….

    So easy you also dun know how to compare…please lar…get your fact n figure correct before posting in the forum….

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    For me Persona price is worth the money,

    1. Better than Myvi – 1.6 vs 1.3, boot vs no boot..bigger size vs medium size..new design vs copy cat design (rebadging),

    2. Handling much better than Vios, City and Myvi

    3. Price much cheaper than Vios and City…

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  • Aku (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 3:29 pm

    How about the fuel?? can persona get 70-80km for RM10 like vios did??

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  • xstan (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 3:37 pm

    Yup..based on Waja Campro 1.6 it can if it runs on highway.

    How about REALITY price? Can Vios priced at RM45K.

    Can Vios plastic component & build matched Persona?? Is the old Vios Design match Persona?? is the rear space matched Persona?? Heard Vios gave problem too for such pricey car but cheap economy components. Never mind mah..its Toyota . Brand show status. Somemore I take 100% financing over 3 years & the intallment can never kill me. Who cares if I cant service promptly ah??

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  • xstan (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 3:42 pm

    Yes..based on Waja Campro it can achive the figure cruising the Highway.

    BTW, how about price in reality. Can Vios price at RM45K. Can quality of Vios up to Persona?? Can Vios run as fast as Persona on highway?? Can Vios reduce the complaints of owner ?? Can it be as spacious as this??

    Oooh, nevermind mah..its Toyota. Don care if the quality of plastic & struture is cheap..its Toyota so muct be good. Funny…it simply got hurt/dent by just kicking.

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  • namiabeeR1 (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 3:44 pm

    id test oledy that car.. but got to try the auto.. not manual..(so sad)
    btw, i like the suspension, heavy door so smooth when u close it..so cold ar the air-cond..like the steering but hate the buttons. very berat la that car.. when u drive the auto tarak pickup la.. but its ok for me..
    dont like the brake.. so like modenas one la.
    but overall ok la..

    good job PROTON.. may god bless u..

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  • Remedy (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 3:44 pm

    trasher..how about fuel consumption.. can beat honda city? hehe..

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  • jared323f (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 4:04 pm

    #
    ezralimm said,

    August 17, 2007 @ 3:00 pm

    Aku said,
    August 17, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
    actually with 55k we can get vios, city or mazda3…but since our automotive industry was protected by G, so all that car goes to nearlly around 80k…but we must “berpijak di bumi yg nyata”…u must deal with it since we’re all in m’sia rite…we can blame but cant do nothing….persona is good msia car for msian ppl….
    ______________________________________________
    come let’s “berpijak di bumi yg nyata”.

    Find me one other country where you can get a MAZDA3 for RM55k OTR.

    The vios and city are budget cars made for South East Asia.
    Someone mentioned above about Vios in Sydney. Nope. They dont sell the vios range in australia.

    The Mazda3 is a very nice 2.0L car. Good driving characteristics but mediocre fuel consumption as it’s a 2.0L car in 1.6-1.8L territory. It’s baseline model is more pricey than the baseline Civic. Expect to pay about RM85-100k for a MAZDA3 OTR (if Proton/NAP didnt exist).

    The OTR price in melbourne is around RM80k-RM110k. (excluding insurance as it’s not required here. insurance would range from RM3-8k depending on a range of factors)
    ________

    Ada.. just google…..
    Cuba try kawasan USA dan Kanada… around RM55K THEIR MONEY. If you’ve taken Economics 101 before… thats damn cheap… it’s like RM24K malaysia money, earned in malaysia. Why? because it costs only USD15K, and most people in USA make more than 15K per year. …. mcmana nak cakap ek… hope u understand…

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  • jared323f (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 4:09 pm

    baru balik tengok persona… ugly…

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  • fastd (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 4:48 pm

    Thanks Prem3377 for taruk sama itu Littlefire85! How come this ppl should easy to trust salesman… I guess he always scratch ‘gores & menang’ bcoz not too difficult to cheat him…

    Ok, back to the topic. I hope Proton R3 wiil come out with new tail lamp & body kit (with new lancer 2.0 GT spoiler type) for next Persona ‘facelift’….

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  • BanyakMasukWorkshop (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 4:55 pm

    jared323f , the vios as we know it in our part of ASIA does not exist in the US. The asian spec. toyotas are not equal to the ones sold in europe, or anywhere else, thats how they control the cost.

    but your view of a person living in the US is still too simplistic.. you dont take into account their higher taxes, higher cost of living..etc .etc. higher insurance rates…

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  • ady (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 5:06 pm

    littleFire85
    pls check before u put the comment, are u sure the Eddie Chan 0124163577 is from proton juru auto city. ??? what can i answer u is WRONG … maybe he want to spoile the market or may be u want to spoile the national product. bcoz i know very well all the proton auto city salesman…I called the Eddie, now he is work with one of Toyota dealer in bkt mertajam…so next time dont simply shoot.

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  • blunt (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 5:10 pm

    jared323f said,
    August 17, 2007 @ 4:09 pm

    baru balik tengok persona… ugly…

    ——-
    So dont buy and dont bother to tengok…as simple as that

    ta

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  • Infinitt (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 5:19 pm

    Dont make up things Little fire. poor littlefire, poor eddie chan. tak pergi sekolah ye.

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  • ezralimm (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 5:27 pm

    Cuba try kawasan USA dan Kanada… around RM55K THEIR MONEY. If you’ve taken Economics 101 before… thats damn cheap… it’s like RM24K malaysia money, earned in malaysia. Why? because it costs only USD15K, and most people in USA make more than 15K per year. …. mcmana nak cakap ek… hope u understand…
    _______________________________
    urgh…i’ve been in this argument before…

    1) Internet Prices are ALMOST NEVER OTR prices. (The gen2 is only RM36k non-OTR)
    2) You cannot compare the PURCHASING POWER of people from first world countries with the PP of people from young 50yr old developing countries. People in first world countries earn about RM30-50 per hour for unskilled labour (eg. cashier, gardener)…no comparison at all.

    My point in raising the issue of prices is to prevent MISINFORMATION that cars are so cheap overseas.

    The reality is Proton is selling budget cars to suit the Malaysian market. RM50k for a Persona sedan is very reasonable by any standard. A sedan of similar weight, (Corolla/Civic/Mazda3) will cost about RM80k even if Proton/NAP _DID NOT_ exist. So yeah, it may not have the latest tech or best trim, but for the price it is reasonable. Stop spreading the idea that a ~1200kg jap sedan only costs RM55k… it does not. OTR prices are often 20-30% higher than the non-OTR prices you see on websites.

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  • torishimeyakuin (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 5:32 pm

    intermilan said,

    August 17, 2007 @ 12:33 pm

    finally, got some time to post some comments… where’s Joe Ooi? love or hate him, but he’s honest.
    ************************************************************************
    Yeah i am wondering myself..where’s Joe Ooi.Long time no hear any from him. I’d be glad to hear some review from him as well.Gonna miss him huh.Or is this Joe Ooi has something to do with Jeff Oii ?

    Dear Ezralimm,
    In Japan, Mazda 3 or known in its domestic market as Mazda Axela is priced at: Reference: http://www.axela.mazda.co.jp/?bt=1

    15 F, 1500DOHC B-line = 1,510,750 Yen (~RM 45322.5)
    20 F, 2000DOHC = 1,980,000 Yen (~RM 59400)
    20 S, 2000DOHC (Top Gred) = 2,060,000 Yen (~RM 61800)

    Just for your info, generally, fresh graduate engineer’s starting monthly salary in Japan is 200,000 Yen (~RM 6000).So roughly speaking,the price of Mazda 3 at the least is 7.5 times of the freshies engineers’ monthly salary. And the top of the range is 10.3 times.Well of course, undeniably there are several other parameters should be taken into consideration for any car manufacturer to come out with one good competitive pricing, i suppose.

    I personally do think that this Persona’s pricing is quite competitive and attractive though.Proton might hit the jackpot with this new fella.Malaysians don’t have much choice of good reasonable cars anyway.

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  • fi3rldy (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 5:35 pm

    dear jared323f, the states itself has a huge automotive market, automotive companies are struggling among themselves to sell cars. they might selling cars cheap because the market is vast, second hand cars has no value there due to market nature there, even my friend studying in the states bought a second hand Deo sedan car ( i guess it’s under GM now) for 900USD, thats cheap man. U cannot compared, US with our country, we are still 3rd world developing country, just look at the koreans, it’s the same, they have certain policies protecting their national carmakers (hyundai/kia). pinpoint = Proton actually produce good/reliable cars, and pls as Malaysian we just need to support them bcus at the end of the day it’s made in Malaysia product, and we should be proud that how much Proton has achieved. Good Luck Proton!

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  • jared323f (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 5:40 pm

    Banyakmasukwokshop,
    I was referring to a Mazda3 1.6 base model. Yup, too simplistic but based on per capita income of USD40K against us 6K, a USD15K car is relatively cheap. Factoring in everything you mentioned, USD300per month lease on mazda3, mortgage of USD700permonth, insurance of USD300permonth and so on and so forth, a bank officer there can live happily compared to a bank officer here. A bank manager in Singapore can afford a BMW 3series, A bank manager here can hardly make ends meet if he is to own a 3series eventhough it costs twice as much there in RM.

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  • globrac (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 5:44 pm

    hey Paul.. is the livemarketing you mentioned the proton >> live thingy on edar site? anyone else tried out the service?

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  • jared323f (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 6:02 pm

    ezralim…
    yes … cars are so CHEAP overseas. Just cross the causeway…
    but anyway, what abt the first clas this and first class that but when it comes to cars we are just like any other third world country.. Why cant I compare salaries between here and there? as if we will live here in this life and live there in the next life. No.. we live only once.!!!
    So, how do you explain the THB510K pricetag for a vios in Thailand? Because the people there earn more and Thailand is a first world country?
    Regards..

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  • Skyline (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 6:21 pm

    Blunt

    Whatever u say, to me its better than Vios, City, Myvi, Altis and Latio. Sangat mempersona..

    I test the car already. hmm very comfort. Proton also offers 5 years warranty . Lugi tak beli lo!!

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  • kereta328 (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 6:29 pm

    i sudah tengok persona, harga ok, kereta ok, everything ok.pun sudah booking, have to wait for 2 mth lorr….

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  • transformer (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 7:02 pm

    with all gov servant salary increased recently, i don’t see that 2000+ units presale are a big success!!! and bear in mind that gov servants have special interest rates much lower than Rakyat!

    *just my personal feel
    i don’t feel going see Persona as its just 1.2ton butted Gen.2! and with some “improvement” here and there nothing more! Ops almost forget on its weight gainning issue… and it still carry over that old pathetic CAMPRO!

    the same CAMPRO haunts me its gone into WAJA(dogbone taillight facelift!)
    Wished the next WAJA will have a better engine(than current CAMPRO) combine with interior of its latest facelift but please remove that dogbone tailight!

    Dear, Paul
    Do remember to put up a post 3months later(15-Nov-2007) for owner to share their “mempersonakan” or “dipersonakan” experiences….

    Thanks for providing a very good platform(and very informative) for everyone to share their thoughts…

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  • proton GL (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 7:10 pm

    havent tested persona, no cahance yet,
    but ive been in a early waja (4g18) at 160kmh almost constantly ,at night,
    JB to KL, all i say rock steady,

    i belive this proton platform, and suspension, persona will likely have that character

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  • escan21 (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 7:57 pm

    It’s the 1st time I’ve come across someone saying that the Campro engine is derived from a Renault design.
    Several years ago, b4 the Gen2 was launched, a local car mag reported that Proton was road testing the 1.6l Campro engine in the Waja in place of the MMC 4G18 engine. In addition to that, the Campro engine block was mated to a gearbox from MMC. I don’t think a MMC gearbox would easily mate to a Renault derived engine block, would it? Pls note that in the current production
    Gen2, Waja Campro & Satria Neo models, they r still using MMC gearboxes with the Campro engines. Should be the same for the new Persona.
    OK. Proton did produce the Waja 1.8 with a Renault engine but its birth was delayed bcos the engineers had to spend more time redoing the engine mounts on the Waja engine bay which was originally designed to take the MMC 4G18 engine.
    Also recently, there were also examples of Gen2s featured in local mags, which had their original Campro engines transplanted with MMC engines with little or no changes to the engine mounts.
    So, it’s no surprise when there were stories that the Campro engine block was said to be derived from the MMC 4G18 engine block.
    Anyway, back to the topic, it’s evident that Proton is trying to give Perodua a run for its money in the domestic market by pricing at the basic version of the new Persona close to that of the MyVi.
    So it’s up the potential buyers out there to chose: a 1600cc 4-door sedan or a 1300cc 5-door hatchback?

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  • tam (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 8:48 pm

    persona is a good and nice car

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  • paxter (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 9:05 pm

    Lol i look at this forum its impossible for proton or any car company to satisfy their needs… buang airbag, anything that slows the car,then ppl will say its not safe la ni la tu la… then put all of the stuff in then the same ppl who said those things above will say so heavy la cant race the kancil la going backwards on the way up genting etc etc etc….

    For me i think the car is decent for its price purely by specs, needs, and price. Take out the fact we have high taxes for foreign cars cause lets face it you want that to change… it wont period.

    So either live with it or get pr(as i did) and you have the option of leaving this so called hell hole. My office mate ordered his today, and for him earning 4k was a decent change from his shitty iswara he has been driving since college. Its not a wonder car and some may like it, some wont. Who are you to tell those who do they are wrong?

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  • ezralimm (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 9:17 pm

    jared323f said,
    August 17, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
    ezralim…
    So, how do you explain the THB510K pricetag for a vios in Thailand? Because the people there earn more and Thailand is a first world country?
    _____________________________________________
    Let me set this straight.

    1) I was referring to the Mazda3 and Civic.
    2) The vios/city WILL be around RM55k if proton/NAP didnt exist.
    3) …But those two cars are ~1000kg…same class as the upcoming BLM Proton.
    4) So the ~1200kg Persona, roughly the same size as the new Corolla, is quite a deal at RM55k for the H-Line variant with Auto and ABS/EBD. It is a bigger car than the vios/city. The Corolla will be about RM72k for a baseline version OTR if proton/nap didnt exist.
    5) Are you sure the 510k baht (RM53.5k) vios pricetag is OTR?
    6) I mentioned about the first world country’s higher purchasing power as someone had brought it up. I was simply saying that regardless of tax, cars are more affordable in first world countries.

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  • mystvearn (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 9:57 pm

    Finally a new Proton car with a way to open the boot from the back

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  • BigFish (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 10:03 pm

    ezralimm, let me rewording your statements 3/4 & 6 to reflect more “realistically and factually on the ground”: –

    Items 3 & 4 – As I mentioned before, the auto industry practice DO NOT categorize car by weight, but say for example by Segment (A, B, C, etc), Types (e.g. passenger car, SUV, MPV, Truck, etc). Your argument based on weight is very “misleading” or “misrepresentative” and “too weak” to be adopted as a apple-to-apple comparison! I hope you stop this kind of comparison onward!

    Item 6, car is not more affordable in the first world simply because it is not a subsidy items like in the case of some basic daily need like foods (bread, butter, diary, etc) “are damp cheap” to make it even most affordable to the poorest. The car price in first world is generally reflect the market or value for money products, couple with high Purchasing Parity Power (PPP), this generally make public able to access to goods with “real value”.

    In our car sector, the NAP slap prohibitive tax on import (even tax on national car by FTA standard is still high), couple with relatively low PPP, this 2 main factors make the car ownership in our country is “tough”, even basic sub-compact like Perodua Viva offer up to 10 years installment with zero entry cost is “ridiculous”!

    This type of car if in China may sell at RM 15K but with US income, it may be equivalent to average 1 month salary only! So, Ezralimm, stop making statement about compare car by weigh!

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  • paxter (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 10:03 pm

    LittleFire85,

    considering you are only 22 i kinda forgive your foolish post. You dont i mean NEVER post someones mobile number in a forum i taught that would be stupid proof 101 but i guess i was wrong. that

    A second hand car is very risky, YES you may save money if you find a gem but knowing malaysians and how they care for their cars it is only good when you know the person as in your friend selling his car. I got a friend who bought a 2nd hand bmw 3series and he ended up paying 1/3 of the cost again cause of repairs, parts, etc. Also 40k cars are 10 + years that is very old and would have been worn and torn by then.. that = more money for service and repairs…

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  • Daddy (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 10:55 pm

    good to see a lot of comments here..btw..i worked with automotive comp but not Proton. I would say that Persona has the best quality among all the models…everything is tested and Proton has made a lesson learn from the past complaints and claims..improvement all done into this Persona

    syabas to Proton!

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  • Ramessrban (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 11:04 pm

    Hi Friends…

    i begin with…
    Best of Luck Proton….

    i am Latest Gen 2 user (latest Light Gold Gen2)
    It dashboard is, totally black. No more 2 color.
    (this year – March 2007 Production) – bought on May

    For me, Persona is just the same as Gen2 with some improvement.

    Dashboard without analog clock etc…
    The switch for power windows (i like this).
    ALL sound better.
    Outside body –
    its the same at front with some design nearby Logo.
    At real, it like –
    Push “clay made cars” to bottom/shorter + longer +++
    It almost the same.

    But, i wish …
    they install their latest Campro EVE engine/
    but – not happen…

    Overall, Proton is on right track.

    Going better than Perodua.

    Perodua,
    Using Others Body, Engine, etc. (made minor facelift)
    and sell it.

    Persona is pure 100% Proton made Car and going forward.

    Best Of Luck Proton///

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  • ezralimm (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 11:23 pm

    BigFish said,
    August 17, 2007 @ 10:03 pm
    ezralimm, let me rewording your statements 3/4 & 6 to reflect more “realistically and factually on the ground”:
    ______________________________________________
    Who said “realistically and factually on the ground”? Erm… i mean, who are you quoting?

    RE: Points 3 and 4
    I leave it to the readers of PaulTan’s blog to think for themselves. IMO, the Persona is simply a bigger car than the Vios/City.

    BigFish said,
    August 17, 2007 @ 10:03 pm
    This type of car if in China may sell at RM 15K but with US income, it may be equivalent to average 1 month salary only! So, Ezralimm, stop making statement about compare car by weigh!
    ________________________________________________________
    ==This is the mentality of some people. Let it be known that BigFish thinks that a car similar to the Persona costs only RM15k in China. Of course, BigFish also thinks cars should not be judged by weight. So 400kg difference in weight is also probably nothing to him. Hence, a chery QQ costs only RM15k (non OTR btw) in China. So yeah, you could get a Persona equivalent car for only RM15k in china. What BigFish says is so true.

    rotflmao ^_^

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  • Sulastri (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 11:30 pm

    Drive a new Honda Civic 2.0s 17″ factory fitted rim but still cannot forget Waja handling. What a driver’s car. Now I’m truly impressed. Prior to Waja a Honda City, still way off in handling. PROTON improve other areas.

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  • kingbrutal (Member) on Aug 17, 2007 at 11:38 pm

    wow… so many comments… shows that a lot of people are still interested in Proton. Sadly haven’t got the chance to see the car yet.

    BTW, did anyone see the orange Satria Neo in Stadium Putra during the World Championship? Looks different, a R3 Neo maybe? Love the lowered stance with the bodykit and I think a 17″ wheels and not to mention the rear spoiler. Out of topic, I know but I can’t help it…

    And lastly people, give Proton a chance to redeem itself… They are trying but all would be lost if we don’t give them the benefit of the doubt. Can’t wait for the Waja CPS though, I’m targeting that as my next car… Ciao.

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  • Vegatron (Member) on Aug 18, 2007 at 12:19 am

    it wasn’t too long ago that proton distributors used to force customers to take over priced useless accessories. Now I don’t know how many of you remember, It was so bad until the govt had to step in to put a stop to it and force the distributors to allow accessories other than audio system, power windows and aircon to be optional. Even then many distributors were defiant until the advent of honda city and vios that shook proton up so badly they were beaten to submission on letting customers opt not to take accessories.

    Having said that, I had just spoken to a proton sales man on the pricing of the persona. When I asked to opt not to take the accessories he said no can do, the accessories are COMPULSORY. Come on man I have to pay 2.6k for a bunch of over priced rubbish? They too easily forgotten their “near death” experience prior to the launch of the persona. Suddenly they are enjoying good sales and suddenly all their ugly cocky proton salesmanship of the early 90’s starts to rear it’s ugly head again! so fast! To all of you reading this, please test out your proton sales advisor on whether you can exclude accessories. As far as I’m concerned, … I’m pissed. The show room I went to? Jalan Sultan Ahmad Shah Proton Edar show room.

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  • Prem3377 (Member) on Aug 18, 2007 at 12:41 am

    i manage to test drive the car early in the morning around 4 am with two salesman who happens to be my friend’s friends..first of all its very different from gen2..i dont know why exactly but its totally a different car if anyone been driving a gen2 before this and thinks this car is a gen2 with a extended butt!!its super quiet inside even if your radio is off…its just so quiet inside similar to the new civic!!i think proton have put in too much sound insulation and maybe thats y the car is 1200kg plus!!i drove an automatic version and this area again is totally different from gen2..if whoever drove a gen2 before you will surely notice when u stop at a traffic light and the light turns green we do have to be heavy on our throttle but its not the same case in persona even if its heavier!!and during overtaking too…we dont have to floor the throttle like gen2 used to do before this..the suspension soaks up all the bump and port hole in kl road very well…dont see much difference compared to gen2…the meter panel lights is very beautiful and reminds me of BMW cars..

    handling wise i dont see any difference compared to gen2 and the car manage to reach up 175 km/h in the highway heading to putrajaya(near uniten and UPM)

    finally about FC..with 3 diferrent drivers and we were thrashing the car but we managed to travel 200 kilometer for rm 30..and that when the fuel light started flashing..so the FC should be around 13 kilometer per litre…(in the car we drove,but similar to my gf’s gen2) so i dont think FC will be the main worry for PERSONA owners…i travel 60 km everyday and i only fill up rm 40 per week for the gen2 and still have enough fuel to use for atleast another 20 km before the light start flashing..but i wont face heavy traffic or jam so maybe thats why i save alot..this car should be a good family car and i felt better sitting in the rear seat yesterday and its kinda comfy and the front seat too!!a good car and will put proton on the right track again and a worthy wira successor!!!love the design of the door panel…its so comfortable and useable..you can rest your elbow there comfortably compared to waja and gen2!!good luck proton!!you are in the right direction now…please continue your effort!!

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  • trasher (Member) on Aug 18, 2007 at 12:48 am

    To answer those curious forumer on the fuel consumption of Persona against the Vios & City…

    Basically, on the fuel consumption, City may given advantages, HOwever, i believe the diff may b little…i think around 80.00 extra per month?(well the diff i use is quite high).

    So with a diff of almost 20k in term of the OTR, if you purchase Persona,, it take almost 21months to match up the City price (at 80k+).

    However, I want to ask, how many of us drive car slow n steady. Maybe sometimes but most of the times, nope…so it wont make a big diff…

    But if you looking at the design, is City a good design?For myself that a weird design…tall roof n shorter length…sooo it look very cacat….

    However Persona in term of lenght is much longer than Waja and in term of the rear seat, it given advantage. (please read the comprehensive write up by Paul Tan).

    Overall, design wise x length x height…it a perfect for the eyes..

    Did everyone think before why HOnda and Toyota or even Kia can offer lower price? This is bcos when they develop a new model, it involve a lot of cost and if vol is low, then the price of the car is expensive..

    Well, the automotive industry now looking at parts sharing…that where the manufacturer able to provide better price and of course easy to source part..
    This i believe wat playing in d mind of PROTON.

    For those who said Korean car is better than PROTON, but do you really test the car or bcos ur biased to PROTON. In fact korean car famous 4 high fuel consumption…if in term of handling, it really no match 2 proton.

    if you all looking for low fuel consumption, then go 4 Savvy…proven low fuel consumption & even recorded in M’sia Book of Records…

    But still not received good response..That why…no car in this world is suit to everyone in term of design, economical,price and etc..live with wat is offering in the market…

    If you really look for cheap car..go for China Brand…but still, even with low price, China Brand car no response..for those PROTON basher, answer this question with ur so call ‘expert’ answer….

    Dont compare much our car price with oversea market…remember u r malaysian living in m’sia…either u take it or leave it(migrate off)…

    Lastly, for those PROTON basher and those blind basher, which car in this world free of problem? Benz ( even in our weather, it also can overheat), BMW (u may afford 2 buy the car but maintenance will kill u off), Honda & Toyota (City & Vios is a targeted 2 compete with PROTON but with the price, sorry…)

    REMEMBER! PROTON HELP PUT M’SIA IN THE AUTOMOTIVE WORLD AND GIVE LOT OF WORKING OPPORTUNITIES TO US EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY..

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