Proton decided to give Media Prima’s TV3 a scoop on the new Proton Waja replacement “P390A” model based on the current generation Mitsubishi Lancer. A TV3 program earlier this week had shots of a covered Proton-badged Lancer with a red paintjob.
The cover was lifted up a little momentarily at different sections of the car to give us a glimpse of the styling changes that Proton has done – the entire front end looks different and I must say quite similiar to the rendering that Theophilus did (shown in line). TV3 also reveals that a manual transmission will be available.
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Dear Paul n Danny, eagerly anticipating ur test drive verdicts, do give us some comparisons to the cars in peer segment but also same price range, cause money really matters in real life. All the bests!
im waiting for the R3 version of this! maybe can challege the EVO version…
who knows… =)
Seems now everybody calling it wajalancer, ive come out with a cool name since its gonna spread very fast and deadly…. lets call it WajaCancer instead
It’s funny, Proton has one of the best automotive factory in the world and all the technology from lotus who are making wonderful cars, yet Proton fail to take advantage of it. The quality of some Proton cars are very bad. What a waste Proton.
Haha ha ha ha…in your dream! Even they produce R3 version of this,, it will be not more than 155hp! RACE, REPAIR & ROSAK..kakakakak
good 1
I doubt they would make an R3 version.
I heard there could be paddle shifters in the waja. It should be fun to drive.
Challenge an EVO??!! I doubt it could challenge the old Satria GTI.
if not mistake proton use back Mitsubishi Mivec engine, bcoz Campro are FAILURE!!! =x Soo, totally is Pirated Mitsubishi Lancer10, itssss so funny~ Hello Proton, you just like selling Nike T-shirt at Pasar Malam! Copy cat! what a shame!!
nothing to shame about, becoz perodua, mazda 2 with ford also doing copy cat job
Still u buy, right? So stop bashing proton just because they are following the consumers’ trends !
poor lancer….
so after 25 years or “excellence”, we are still at where we were, 25 years ago
peug…even worst if u say like that 80-90 yrs before…peug rebadge some of its model base on mitsu
betul3…. tapi peug sekarang ni mantap dowh… i love my peug..
Not really. Please explain with facts next time.
good news! they want another 25 years!
haha..agreed.. affter 25 years… we are still taking the lancer to rebadges…it is a real snap on Dr M face!
Anyway, as a positive person… I still hope that P1 can make the wor…to the world, by putting lotus chasis expertises on handling devision to make the car better then original Lancer GT!
i AM WAITING A DAY THAT I CAN BE PROUDLY SAY THAT PROTON IS A GREAT JOD OF MALAYSIAN CAR!!!
i read somewhere that mitsu rebadges exora and persona as their product at south america…
these ppl only can bash, not knowing that they are using P2 PHOTOSTAT PRODUCT all this while…. what a shame…
we’ll be seeing exora n persona in mitsu products line up. means that P1’s DESIGN IS GOOD!
Helo sekalian alam yg tak tahu apa n wat tau belaka…korang tahu tal kerja tampal menampal edit mengedit rebadge apa la untuk kete adalah benda biasa…jgn jd tak tahu apa…bukan proton ja wat mitsu pun wat bg model proton cth exora tu…itu la dinamakan kolaborasi bg company untuk terus berdaya saing…peugot pun wat…n amost suma wat la basher basher sekalian….if nk sngt naik kete yg hebat yg laju yg canggih tunggu la proton jd semakin matang n they work for it….ingtlah jepun nak kuar kete dl pun seksa samapai nk naik bukit pun tak leh n mkn 40 thn…buka otak anda yg sempit dn bc la magazine kete n suma ada jelas…bukan magazine hiburan….magazine kete selalu wat review kete (ni direbadge oleh kete yg sblum nie n bla bla bla)…
Agreed with some of your points…but one thing..the quality of proton cars are really suck! After more than 10 years of R&D, at least they must know how to control the quality..Nak kate murah x ler murah…mencekik duit rakyat jer!
setuju ngan pendapat u..proud to be malaysian..nape nak kutuk proton..tengok la perodua tu..apa kereta yg dia org produce….semua copy n paste only..dari start ditubuhkan sampai skrg..asik rebadge aje..pas tu declare as national car…maluuuuuu…atleast proton can build a own car n design…
200% tax on cars n expensive road tax is too much…plz do sumthing government….distribute the taxes on else…lets make Proton and perodua stand by themselves…25 years is long2 period of time….
Good Designers Copy, Great Designers Steal – Pablo Picasso
dorg kan dah kerjasama ngn mitsu,ngape plak tiru ,ciplak plak?…
dari dulu waja base on lancer model….
proton mmg asl kerjasama ngn mitsu sjak model awal pon..
Can you read?
I’m not against p1. But, it’s the nature of designing. It’s not just in automotive industries, elsewhere like IT, home deco, even home appliances. Don’t just blindly bash. I’m just saying it’s not a crime if you copy someone else design.
what a shame!!!
c’mon laa.. other car maker also do rebadge.. so what the big deal..?
save cost for the manufacturer that rebadge bcoz doesnt have to take out a lot of money to design, build chassis, testing, test engines and watsoever..
and for manufacturer that give car to rebadge, they earn money from each car sold for rebadging.. just like royalty laa..
still wondering, why when Aston Martin rebadging iQ into Cygnet, nobody bising2..
proton is small carmaker(when come to fact of proton selling market), not like toyota or honda.. rebadging can save coz for proton, then use the saving to build new car.. they cannot afford to build new car, new chassis, new engine if car only sold 10000 unit monthly(include outside market)..
imagine, they have persona + gen2(actually the same), exora, savvy, saga, waja, satria. 6 model..!! if every year have to introduce 1 new model(replacement) or facelift, and let say,( read carefully, LET SAY) 1 model took rm500million to build the replacement, 6 equal to 3 billion.. it is a lot of money..
rebadging maybe took only half of the cost.. dude, great saving, and next model can have their own chassis, engine and watsoever improvement..
You maybe don’t know that Proton already wasting a lot of money in R&D, lots of model they build and tested which are not expose to public openly. If Proton’s business plan already decide to set not to invest in R&D, they shouldn’t waste money in the 1st place. Why is Proton wasting money in R&D, then build good car to compete/sell in other countries but sell expensive & lousy quality to own country?
Pls wake up and think, compare to China own manufacturer, their ppl can enjoy their own country car manufacturer’s car at cheap price.
ini memang la kerja org r&d, buang duit,, bukan semua benda 2 akan menjadi in 1st time.. testing bukan nyr murah.. banyak benda yg perlu di fikirkan dan test lg. sampai menjadi.. isu kualiti bukan salah proton 100% vendor pun perlu di salahkan sbb proton yg design tapi vendor yg buat produk.. proton pun jangan la lambat bayr kat vendor ni.. maner diaorg nak cekoh duit nk bg part dulu.. modal tak cukup.. nk wat maintenance mesin pun susah alat ganti takder, duit tak cukup nk beli.. n proton jangan la membazir sewa tapak kilang.. pzz tanjung malim besar n banyak tangah kosong.. ok?
apa bro coment 2 boleh tapi gua ingat lu duduk kat proton punya R&D bagus dari komen kat luar minta la job kat proton R&D kan bagus tgk u better do it or not dari bercakap tak mendatangkan hasil betul tak
can some please tell proton to take their mouth off the government breast. 25 years I sudah graduate degree and started building my career. Look east policy…look at china lar.
pasaran kereta baru di cina setahun boleh cecah sebanyak 8 juta unit, pasaran malaysia hanya 150ribu unit setahun.. so plzz jangan bandingkan cina dengan malaysia,,
I agree with aduss… We should not compare malaysia with china… there’s nothing to compare honestly!
what we should be doing is questioning the rationale behind the establishment of Proton in the first place when all the govt needed to do was to lower taxes for foreign imported cars… (look at Thailand’s automotive industry… they don’t need a national car… why should we?)
That way, all rakyat would be driving a honda or a toyota who’s quality and reliability surpasses proton a thousand times… oh well… we all know proton was a misstep… but hey, at least we have perodua!
haloo. pasaran kereta baru di cina setahun boleh cecah sebanyak 8 juta unit, pasaran malaysia hanya 150ribu unit setahun.. so plzz jangan bandingkan cina dengan malaysia,,
And after 25 years you graduated with your degree only now you are starting your career? Tsk tsk tsk…..what a waste of time, I bet your friend who started a business after spm selling burgers is a multi-millionaire with a chain of burger stalls everywhere (read: tyco burgers)………..and about your look east policy….China’s population is 1.2billion and Malaysia is 27million…….so, you can’t compare malaysia with china…….
KITA PENGGUNA!REMEMBER THAT.so why should we pay hi price for cheap quality?we already gave them 25 years to evolve,but where are we now?still copy and paste?them kutuk perodua as they also did the same thing.
please compare PROTON-HYUNDAI(younger)-CHINA CAR(youngest) and THINK.no need to argue ANYMORE
Why you wan to compare Proton with other maker? Do you working in car manufacturer to complain about price and quality?
apa ni? buat kereta sendiri salah, rebadge pun salah…apa lagi you mau..? ala manufecturer lain pun rebadge kereta dari brand lain gak
kalau nak buat, buat baik baik. jangan macam petronas advertisement lar, orang bagi duit buat sampan sampan rosak.
bukan salah,tapi evolve.kita tidak salahkan proton sebab proton buat kereta sendiri.tapi dah 25 thn duk tang tu jer,saper tak hangin.dah la jual kereta mahal,kualiti murah.kamu lagi mau back up ptoron?buka lah mata anda.jangan kerana disebabkan kereta nasional anda perlu biaise.tolong compare proton dengan manufacturer yang sezaman dengan die iaitu hyundai dan kereta China.sekian,harap maklum
Kami mahu kereta baru yg original, berkualiti dan murah. 25 years have past and P1 still fail to deliver.
PROTON, would you accept trade-in on my newly bought Mitsubishi Lancer for this new Waja ? Cause I’m a patriotic person and want to support Malaysian made product. I don’t mind at all because people will say all genuine Mitsubishi Lancer cars are PROTON anyway later.
U should be happy, bcos U no need go Mitsubishi Service Center anymore, just go to any Proton Service Center will do and enjoy cheaper spare parts or lower maintenance… Hopefully New Waja wont affect to much on Mitsubishi Service Center Business!!!
totaly wright!
Wonder what change they make to the suspension as the newscaster mentioned “Handling by Lotus”.
the spring rate, damper rate etc is what will help largely is improving the handling….
A LOT.
One of my housemate is an enginner with proton’s ride&handling dept, he said A LOT of work have been done on the suspension, as the standard lancer is setup for japanese road and driving style (ppl there dont like like crazy).
Even the Mitsubishi engineers who came to support the suspension tuning give praised to proton’s ride&handiling engineers… coz there are pretty much lotus’s “anak angkat” by now.
other then the suspension, everything else about this the waja-lancer is crap, inferior to its mitsu counter part. p1 wont get the new 2.0 engine engine and the paddle shift i think.. all this according to my p1 friend..
also he said, the earlier you buy the better.. because the percentage of local parts will be increased gradually.. so maybe the 1st batch will contain 80% mitsu parts and eventually reduced to 10~20% (drivetrain/powertrain)..
But its gonna be made in thai anyways, so dont expect Japanese level QC, fit & finish etc..
anyway, im still gonna get one \o/ vrooooooom
again insider……..
Your friend must be joking,I saw one with paddle shifter in one of the news shown in TV3.
agree…u even can see the paddle shift on one of the spy pic…
Agree!..i saw it too.
I really2 wanna know which engineer is ur friend. cuz apart from the handling thingy all of his other information kinda crap…
Another engineer ni perhaps…
since when MMTh produced lancer in their plant?
ppl kat sana(japan) drive berbeza ke dgn org m’sia? saya pecaya gak yg tue coz org2 muda or sesapa yg suka modified kreta akan buat sekurang2nya luar spec dr asal n pastu complen mcm2 naper kete dia ada bunyi or lain mcm(or pecaya ckp org luar yg sebenarnya xtau psl proton). pastu pemandu sini tak penah kesah sgt psl good defensive driving…cuma tahu nak menunjuk2 power diri yg xsberapa n kete convert lawa out of spec nak tayang bagus. sapa yg bole ubah sikap pemandu kita yer..xsemua mcm yg saya katakan…proton 25thn..wah..dah kluar bnyk model kreta yer
Panjang,
Handling does not only lies within the suspension setup. It also covers the car chasis setup and bodyshell. Of course this tuneup is different from that current Mitsu Lancer and you got Lotus Legendary and Revolutionaly Ride and Handling. The handling is more precise and more agile dan that current Mitsu Lancer. Undeniable.
me said
other then the suspension, everything else about this the waja-lancer is crap
you mean CRAP ?
must be the suspension setup..must be better than lancer..
and much better than altis and civic
civic suck… very geram with civic and satria boy…. always wanna cucuk me coz my car look sporty… Oh.. kamon la.. i drive peugeot la wei.. not evo… why u want to cucuk big sedan like me… i only play with accord and camry la.. go cucuk other car la… dem…
the world of suspension tuning is really wide for ordinary people to comprehend bro…let alone spring change, even the bushing stiffness change, the viscosity of the fluid inside the damper, the damper inner mechanism, the suspension travel and a lot more can change the vehicle handling.being trained by lotus, i fully confident p1 engineer gonna made this car a lot better than the current lancer in term of r&h..(and yes i already test-drive the lancer before n the handling was not up to standard)
whatever lotus did, i’m sure part of the deal involves mitsubishi gaining the lotus input on their lancer as well…
ACCORDING to Top Gear The Current Best Handling Car in World today is R35 GTR 2nd is Mits Evolution 10, if u watched Top gear BBC la. but i dont think current lancer as good as evo 10 though
but nissan GTR and EVO are 4wd car right?
Best handling cars does not mean it is the best in ride quality.
What the point of being the ‘best handling’ if you got a ‘pogo stick’ ride quality.
Proton is actually pretty good in balancing both ride & handling.
to buy it though, burns a big hole in our tiny pocket.
u need to know that NISSAN GTR R35 handling is tuned by Lotus… See… Lotus rules the world….
yeah mitsu WILL ciplak lotus’s ride&handling technology, shame on the big company.
simply means Proton use local made rubber bushings, and short-lifespan absorbers.
havent’ we been conned enough by Proton already?
You must be current Mitsu Lancer owner hehehe. I pity you bro. But I guess, you must have that japan rubber bushings and long-lifespan absorbers though. And you must be very happy on that..
undercarriage and suspension re-designed by lotus. expecting good stuff from them soon..
“handling by lotus” doesn’t mean the suspension is changed to new system. sometimes it could be just ‘re-tuned’. but I believe the lotus ‘magic’ would bring this car into cult status in Malaysia. remember Satria GTi… ?
yup that is the mitsubishi cyborg rebadge.
“handling by lotus” = drool
i also remember proton juara. mitsubishi town box rebadge. they forgot to put the lotus ‘magic’.
dear RAF: mana lu pergi.. during juara area proton not own lotus… lg pun dulu zaman mahalel sekarang zaman dsz
bye bye cvic and altis, you both are too slow at corners so excuse me!
bye bye walan! as we cruise past you on the long and straight PLUS while you wait for the AAM breakdown service, good luck in this balik kampung traffic.
waja lancer is not out yet , you must be too desperate to see it!
how come desprate, the original lancer is already on the road.
waja lancer is definitely suitable for ah beng. hehe.
& the ah beng part providers will definitely happy suck your money out.
poor ah beng, only manage to buy pirate lancer.
hahahaha. kasihan betul.
macperhson front n back. No multilink at back. cheaper that way.
haihhhh….people who buy it sure change the rear badge and the front grille to mitsubishi..
some people = yes
most people = no
and? a lot myvi kancil alza viva out there has changed their badge to toyota…. who cares??
adusss.. ni mmg sebijik lancer nih. rugi aku beli lancer ni thn lepas. toing…
Dont worry iwan Mitsubishi is always mitsu! U cant deny it. I can vouch that your ori mitsu will have 90% better performance in all aspect than what the proton built.
Except the handling…hahaha
do you reli think that proton have a better handling than mitsu? dream on !!!!!!!
u dream la… poor mitsu lancer owner..
its lotus ride&handling brother, go google it! hahahhaa!!!
Talking about stock to stock… Seriously i think p1 handling are more better…
in IRC, proton is better than Mitsu.. Proton always memang dengan mitsu,… and, dont talk about evo…. that is not lancer…
dude, u seriously have no knowledge do u? the ride&handling tech from lotus used in proton cars is considered among the best in world. better than mitsu included. after this, xdehal weh nak cilok2 on malaysian terrain. ^^
yup, coz when you think about it, no reason for mitsu to kacau their own rice bowl by giving proton the exact same car for so much less.
…unless even Mitsu thinks that Malaysians are willing to pay that much more for the exact same car, just to avoid buying a Proton.
As long as it looks like a Mitsu nobody cares.
I wonder if this car install a high end turbo charger in it?
yeah…. pls put the new turbo engine in it.
no..it got 1.8l engine from Mitsubishi too..
NEVER..
Sure but it comes with a few pre-requisites
1) Owner must buy a used unit without warranty
2) Owner should not be able to afford a true Evolution
3) Owner loves playing punk on the road
4) Owner needs to pay cash for turbo-charged options
Not a chance.
1 thing for sure, those bumpers will have [WTS] tag all over the place once been sold to Ah Bengs. Haha
in lowyat.net? hahaha.
pardon me if i’m wrong, but wouldn’t it void warranty? and you still need to send this car to Proton service center for maintenance during the whole warranty period, right?
feel sad for real lancers’ owners, i know proton got a deal wif mitsu but still feel not right. new waja is 95% mitsu lancer :(. there will be no special abt lancer anymore.
there’s nothing special about Lancer from the 1st place.
i cant agree u more.. lolz
yeah.. lancer owner also modi their car, so they can called it evo x…
Dont be sad bro, perodua still mother of all rebadge LOL..
Whatever it is..I like the design eventhough it is rebadge..
If you got more money just buy another car..
But I am stillllllllllll wonder, the price of this New Wajavolution?
I am heard CEO proton said in tv, the price will be competitive?
Competitive comparing to Mitsu Lancer, City or Vios?
below rm80k for 1.8l..still competitive
Perodua is a mother of all rebadge? Actually, Toyota owns Perodua n Daihatsu. And GM owns Chevy, Suzuki, Opel, Vauxhall, Holden, Daewoo etc etc etc etc…… Rebadging? Not a bad thing at all. It depends on their market. You want Passo but there’s only Myvi on the s/room? Tukar badge Toyota je la…. Even Ah Beng doing their own rebadging. Proton wif Mitsu badge. Kelakar kan?
My friend juz got back from Japan 1 day. And he told me that some of Boon/Passo’s owners love the look of our Myvi instead of Boon/Passo. Guest what, they’ve convert them into Myvi. Kind of interesting eh?
It happen all over the world la brother….. Tak payah la nak kutuk2 orang kita sendiri. That’s why Malaysian susah nak maju.
No offence……
“The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence” SYNDROME.
what special about lancer?
it just normal car right?
yes, it is.. except 1 thing…
the price is abnormal… for a normal car… hahaha….
so, change to lancer evo turbo!
totally unchanged, probably frony bumper and rear bumper alter the rest remain same, proton waja lancer will flow malaysia road in no time, Mitsubishi (FAKE) soon will more than T&H on the road
yeah, this car at RM75k will be more value-for-money instead of Toyota, Honda & Kia
how can fake maa.. the have deal
how can fake maaa.. they have a deal remember
maybe 2.0 4B11
It will sell like hot cakes again..
NICE!! i want buy
a sad day for current Mitsu Lancer owner.
their car value will drop signficantly to a level the same as proton.
and their car will be hot stuff for thieves looking to strip off the car for Mitsu parts as demand will be high.
Why steal when u can buy from half cut shop? But if gomen continue to ban used parts as earlier as 2011, expect this thing to happen.
a sad day for mitsu lancar owner but a good day for me if the price is below 80k
yah maybe the polis evo car will be next target :-)
One person’s pain = other person’s gain
why sad? just diff rm30k-40k in price.. better than bmw… cbu and ckd have abig gap in price…
Can’t blame Lancer owners, many drivers have dream and waited for the moment to own a real Mitsubishi instead of previous Wira which some chap buat syiok sendiri by taking out the P logo and replacing it with the M logo and make believe that they are driving a M, so it came to our shores and people were like grabbing them as if they were ‘hello kitty’ during the time when mcD sold them. So orders were placed and some even waited for 1 donkey year for it.
Now being re-badge is an arrow through their ego and heart, after all the effort to promote and make proud of themselves as Lancer owners.
this new waja is exactly the same with the current lancer..i bet >80% of those who buy this car would modify it,make it more of mitsubishi..lalalala
So so typical here, just making believe that we are using some other name instead we are not. Can’t blame us, the price of cars in M is totally sky high, so it makes an average joe still can’t afford other makes.
that why now MMC discount up to RM4.5K for new lancer gt… to MMC i think with this waja will launch soon better u give now for the new lancer gt discount up to RM10K, maybe people will consider to buy ori lancer gt compare to new waja. That will be so competative with new waja if they use same engine (4B11).
Now people will think 2 3 kali to buy new lancer because:
1) new waja will launch next month..
2) second value of lancer gt.. very scare..
3) interest bank more than other japan model..
So, MMC must take some action to counter back.. TQ
they will stop selling lancer, only bring evo 10 here.
Mitsu have no worry, obviously mitsu cooperate with proton maa..
if mitsu worry, why they sold the design & collaborate with proton?
think twice bro hehehehehe LOL
agreed..
m cooperate with p. its win2 situations. maybe M gain profit more then selling lancers in Malaysia by sold their lancer to P before new lancer come out. who knows… .. .
just pity lancer owner..huhu.
maybe that’s where 1st fully imported 500 units Waja Lancer came from or Limited Edition Waja Lancer will have 4b11 engine… hahaha
Proton is performing well. Can we lower the trade barrier now?
only if P1 & P2 manage to export 1 million car per year like thailand.
u r right MoFaz, it’s hopeless………….
in your dreams maybe
sure can… when we sleep…
i hope the price is less than rm100k.also i think i had seen this car at bkt beruntung but there are tape at bumper,tail lamp and grill
The price is around RM80k +++ for 1.8.
Yes currently 80% Lancer, CKD from Mitsu. Our local vendor only produced small parts.
Later the % will increase.
Proton got 2 more models to launch. Just wait for Exora-CVT and Persona-R
RM 8O.K +++, COMPETATIVE ? It should be around 70k. and manual .
Ya, Below RM70k better, bcos a lot of parts need to change….. protn bank interest always high, hopefully this car have lower loan interest offered? 2.98% Pa?
rm70k also can.. but with campro cps 1.6… people still will buy, why? coz only people who visit paultan is care about big engine… people out there is diff.. if have 1.6,1.8,and 2.0…. They will choose 1.6.. why? COZ they only drive 80-110kmh… and use ron 95…. no need turbo engine, no need supercharged, no need 17inch rims…. no need racing clutch…. Waja also have 1.8 variance before, but still people buy 1.6 till 1.8 has been phased out form production… why? is waja 1.8 is a bad car? no la… current Satria Neo s2000 using waja 1.8 engine….. People like Forte 1.8 more than Forte 1.6, but still poeple buy more Forte 1.6 than forte 1.8.. Correct me if i’m wrong….
huge dream actualy!
If later on the Mitsu parts is reduced, does that mean the price will go down as well? Coz less imported parts right?
Forte is same 2.0L 4B11 engine if no mistakes, here most ppl buy 2.0L… From the photos i will said Waja lancer looks better from exterior “with bodykits”…. Forte got 6 air bags!!! P1 can give how many? 2 only?
if the waja gives u 2 airbags, i bet u’ll say “what? only 2 meh?”
if the waja gives u 12 airbags, u will say “why so many aaa???”
forte, why do u need 6 airbags??? hmm… guess the car itself is not safe to be driven, huh?? hahaha….
air bags did not prevent death, dude!! what a silly question!!
a turning point for proton it self?
Are they competing in the same market segment? So price Mitsu Lancer will drop?
Mitsubishi have study first before they release to Proton, are you remember the proton wira ? Mitsubishi got a lot of money, even they share with proton.
cant wait to see it in real world..
nice man!! looks like better built in quality than any proton previous car
I quite like the design of this Waja, price should be around the same as current Waja I hope.
nope, persona already very close to current waja price. if this waja lancer is priced within the same bracket, it will jeopardize persona sales. most probably is around Kia Forte price, or within 75-100k
u r right MoFaz, i think 100k is a good idea, lets see how they compete
It comes with 4B10 engine.
4B10 engine is Mitsubishi 1.8 litre. Pity those existing Lancer GT owners with 2.0 engine. Paid RM 126K last time. Yet, waha replacement will be sold around RM 75 to 85K.
4b10 got mivec ah?
omg … another wira for 15 years….for a company who’s been in the biz for 28 years they r still rebadging mitsubishis?
who cares, as long as fit malaysian taste. yummy
Go learn your history boy. Go ask uncle google to know why they want to exchange platform.
Wow, one rebadge and so many people howling like dingos. Saga BLM, Persona, Exora, Savvy, Satria Neo.. all original stuff, not rebadged Mitsubishi stuff, and people trash like crazy. Proton brings in the Lancer to rebadge as a part of Mitsu deal (that will no doubt benefit Proton’s quality and competence in the long run as well), and everyone hentam also. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. I won’t blame automakers for not understanding our local market!
Yeah Proton Wira just sucks IMO.
I guess proton is targeting those buyers who loves re badge cars. Like those Wira owners who turned to buy MYvi’s.
“These” people has identity crisis anyway…
It’s Waja…bukan Wira! Although the fact they ‘still’ doing rebadge but let’s just wait for it to come out first b4 we judge it, who knows it might be value for money rather than spend it over current Lancer?! No wonder no one being crazy over Evo 10. Simply many people buy Lancer GT then morph it to Evo, now it’s gonna gets worst…soon, Jalan Horsepower at Sunway will be flooded with Waja that morph to either Lancer GT or Evo 10. Kakimotor sure happy wan! ;-)
he said,
“model itu mempunyai bentuk seakan model salah satu model Jepun terkenal, Mitsubishi Lancer”
hopefully, Proton will change the tail light. not only the minor changes.
Yup…Want to rebadge also at least do a bid more work…
i actually hope proton would touch nothing (well maybe some bits on the interior, i reckon they can do R&D on handlebrake levers, gearknobs, steering & the ICE :P ), but have the lotus guys pep-up the handling & work their magic on the motor!
the R3 guys can come up with a better looking bodykits & other kinds of tune-up bits as well.
{ prays }
oh look…..a proton lancer……bwhahahahah
Mitsubishi Lancer + Proton Waja = Mitsuton Lanja.
Proton Waja + Mitsubishi Lancer = Proshi Wacer
Can’t resist:
Proton LAWA (LAncer + WAja )
:lol: :lol:
Seems like most buyers will get it rebadged to Mitsubishi instead.
The Wajalution era is back…!!!
A mere mention of stick-shift transmission make this thing 10 times more interesting.
Thats exactly what i looking for too .. a stick shift Lancer in Malaysia.. woohoo!!
with all the problematics thrown in as well
This is really a GREAT SHAME to M’sia! How come after 25 yrs of “COPYING” Japanese Technology, they can’t even develope a car, which is totally designed & manufactured in M’sia!
Shall we compare M’sia to East TImur one day?
Who support Proton, is supporting such attitudes.
so angry nampak…you buy lancer already aaa
i’m not sure where have you been in the past 25 years..welcome back to malaysia mate!
Typical bashers will always be typical bashers,they even know nothing about automotive industry,simply talk without facts.
Even Peugeot and Citroen rebadge Mitsu’s car,you should wait when Mitsubishi rebadge Exora and Persona.
Pity to the bashers,no wonder this country cannot go further,not because of the gov,but because of the useless mind of certain Malaysian like you.
Companies like Holden also done the samething,they were in this industry for more than 100 years,but nowadays they just rebadging Chevrolet’s car.I know Holden and Chevrolet are under GM.
This is all about saving cost and time,what can I say stupid bashers know nothing about automotive industry,you should wait when they introduce new Persona and EMAS.
Project emas already canceled, get real ok?
PROTON already got another way better emas design n their ceo promised 2 lunch emas on erly 2012~
mitsu wants persona & exora chasis from proton
then proton ask for lancer chasis
deal
Who said it’s cancelled? If you don’t have proof don’t just accuse unknowingly.
where, how, when, why, who???
Proof of GTFO.
Emas cancelled?
Haha,damn another typical basher.
Prove it,people can just simply talk crap.
You’re the one who should get real,OKAY!
prove it..
[Citation needed]
:roll:
yup all the great world-beating malaysians have left the country so all that is left is malaysians like us. suck it up!
other brands rebadge and compete in an open market, can you say the same about proton? life is too short too so why wait for proton, who think they will need another lifetime of protection before they want to compete. proton ada gaya but not much else as is the way in malaysia these days.
You bet.
When other companies except for Holden rebadge cars from their competitors, it is meant to be a technology exchange and program. I share my know how and you share yours.
Proton-Mitsubishi on the other hand is pretty much one way. That is why some commentators are mad about proton. A good example of rebadging is:
Youngman Lotus joint venture between Zhejiang Jinhua-based Youngman Auto and Lotus Engineering. The purpose of the partnership was to sell Lotus engineered Proton models in China.
This Proton Lancer is not so much about exchanging knowledge, it is all about capturing lost market to foreign makes such as Kia, Honda, and Toyota.
Then what about the exchange of Persona & Exora to be rebadged as Mitsubishi? It’s hardly a one way street.
agreed citreon, peugeot or maybe a lot more company rebadging.. but i dont think any will rebadge anything that already in the market.. and keep selling two simillar item with two different name.. what ever it is.. lets pray for the better.. we all here have our portion in proton as a tax payer.. all of us want proton to be better one day.. and we can proudly drive proton.. lets don’t make fun of any lancer owner.. they r driving a good machine.. and now proton r launching the lancer rebadge waja and give opportunity for those who unaffordable to buy lancer to drive the same machine with low price.. so y do we make fun of this original lancer owner?? lets share the road guys.. if mitsu n proton can cooperate each other, y not we proton driver n mitsu driver cooperate n share idea!! 1 malaysia guyzz
Rebadge people car is a simple job.. to to rebadge it and add value is not an easy job… you have to make sure you make the car better than it original.
Holden has the volume, they mean to live. P1, we have less than 500K unit a year…for all model…is P1 still relavent after 25 years?
In others brand, one model can sell more than 1 mio pcs for 1 life cycle…
The hope that can put on to P1 is below:
1) Emas…city car for tomorrow mobility.
2) Exora… with turbo in, a real car for malaysian, big size of family… and good to hear that it sell well in Thailand.
3) Lancer rebadge with Lotus tech…got to be better than lancer GT!
Come on lar ,yes holden did rebadge gm car but they olso develop a few car that are quite impressive The 04 GTO ring a bell ??? ,yes psa does joint venture with mitsu but they redevelope it with better body design and their interior trim .when u see our NEW WAJA its rather pathetic ,it only spot a new bumper and that it.our beloved proton only know how to use excuse only ,look at hyundai ,they started almost the same as proton and see where are they now .
The reason why only the front grill and part of the back is different from the current mitsu is due to the request of mistu themselves. it was part of the agreement!!!
proton is more than capable of redesigning a mistu.. they have build a few models from scratch.. redesigning is a small matter to them
what with your nick?
Well mate….., even Holden rebadge their cars from other company, and how old is Holden already…?
yup, proton been copycat not the first time already………sad man, the top gear sure say malaysia bad thing again….zzz
these basher are crap. do some googling or wiki’ng before you even speak. why can’t an automaker have a deal between they for a win-win situation? How you call Ford fiesta? rebadge Mazda2? since mazda2 came here 1st? you condemned proton when they sucks, you condemned them again when they try to improve.
If you must criticize, do it sensibly and don’t bash blindly.
i don’t know that you notice this.
but when you see lancer gt & persona/gen2 parking side by side you will notice that the design of the door/back door are same. and the design of the meter are a bit similar…
don’t you notice that?
cant wait for the official announcement……..might be my second car if change job
change job, invest your money in something else and then buy your car. i think that is better.
damn it proton.
just change that ugly rear light
dont worry datuk karpal, kedai abang’s will make all accesories for new available within 6 months of launch. taillamp kaa, side skirts, front bumper, spoilers…. etc etc.
see how good is our country wealth distribution is…proton make money..kedai abg also make money.. :-)
Beauty in the eyes of beholder.
To me the read light is simply attractive.
awal bulan depan?
well..
The glorious Proton Wira @ Lancer era returns!
Be prepared to have yet another 15 years of rebadged Lancers on our roads!
Budak2 keje kilang geng wira lancer tonggek pasti teruja! Kopek itu logo proton!
Mitsubishi emblems will sell like hot cakes!
Isn’t this like taking a step behind? After designing their own cars since 2000, 10 years later back to rebadging? malu lah woi! ee malu!
I seriously can’t understand the people who disagree with this re-badging mitsubishi cars. Please tell us why are you disagreeing and dont just click the red button. The fact is Proton is going backwards as a Manufacturer !
Stick with the facts dear readers !
U still don’t know what are the profits will gain from rebadging eh?
then do you think the profit of selling EMAS will be higher than the WAJA replacement model ? think before you write .. The Management should have asked Guigiaro to design the Waja Replacement Model instead of a EMAS which i am sure will never be as important as the WAJA
PERODUA..
15yrs ago rebadging..
10yrs ago rebadging..
5yrs ago rebadging..
now.. rebadging..
5yrs later rebadging..
10yrs later rebadging..
15yrs later rebadging..
forever… rebadging..
Correct ! Proton Perodua same same
I supposed another mitsu lancer owner perhaps?
pakai myvi ke?
he guys!! who are jap wannabes… ready for this hot..
Should buy this one or not?
i feel shame for Proton… again another xerox of Mitsubishi model! with the technology and westerm designer from Lotus yet they still cannot come out with their own design and technology!
same goes to peug n citr..even worst
Why are you basher are so thick minded. Proton already have the capabilities to design and produce their own car. In term of knowledge they are already there. This move is just to increase proton revenue due to the cost savings involve in exchanging platform.
When proton is making loss the basher will ask for proton to close. But when they want to make profit you guys feel a shame. Typical mentality of Malaysian.
Satan
You have been sleeping in hell, haven’t you? Proton’s own design products are the Exora, Saga BLM, Satria Neo, Savvy. What do mean they still cannot come out with their own design and technology? You know what you are mumbling about or not, satan?
Exora? Persona? Satria Neo? Savvy? Not their own designs? One rebadge and everyone is howling like this announcement will make your stock investments nosedive or something…
u think design a car like design a moon cake meh!!
Yes its very difficult to design a car and it took proton 10 years to think .. oh it will be better to re badge a Mitsubishi instead of designing one ourself .. Lets waste the money designing a SAVVY yucks ……
then the other stupid move was to get an establish company to design the EMAS .. its a good car but shouldn’t Proton ask them to design the WAJA replacement model .. i think in business wise the WAJA replacement should be Proton Core model and should put more resources into it rather than wasting the money on a small car like EMAS .. out there when their core model is not establish .. who will want to buy the EMAS !
If the pricing is right this car might just be the next big thing in Malaysia.
i wonder how they implant lotus into mitsu?….so its like white guy + japs girl… = marie digby.. :p
i wonder when can see view the car?
it says it will have a soft launch next month…meaning that can start booking, but the car delivery will start on november??am i right?/
wonder2.. all mitsubishi lancer owner will trade in their car??
lancer GT value will go down? i doubt so. they have 2.0 engines with ‘6 speed’ CVT, 18inch alloys. its time we buy the used ones! this lancer is not new, its almost 3 years already in world market. the replacement lancer could be 2 years away.
proton should have rebadged another great looking car than this boxy lancer..
i wonder does Mitsubishi realise the impact on its Lancer sales volume once waja replacement hits the market? or Mitsubishi no longer care?
i don think mitsu will rugi….since proton must pay komisyen to mitsu..rather sale in low volume with own brand better just rebadge to brand that surely increase sale plus they will cost them nothing..smart move..built nothing but income is coming
Aiyah… the Msia market is too small for Mitsubishi… Who knows, Mitsubishi may make bigger $$$ from the loyalty instead.. hahaha…
Mitsubishi no longer able to push their Lancer forward. Too expensive for hot blooded youngster, too hot for many of those who can afford.
design by Mitsubishi
handling by Lotus
styling by UTM
business model by Perodua
quality assurance by Proton
haha, styling by UTM, classic bro
Quality assurance by Proton???
QUALITY ASSURANCE by PROTION.. that’s already a DISASTER !!!
this will turn a BMW into a crap… hahaha
how about a CVT transmission??
DCVVT??
CVT sucks anyway. no physical gears = no fun.
CVT sucks.. mmm.. wonder why the new facelift Toyota Corolla is using CVT (Super CVT-i) ???
because only old man, ppl with no taste, or a boring person buys Corolla Altis.
hell, it’s ‘Super CVT-i 7 gears’ is not even a physical gear. its a virtual gear.
CVT with virtual gears = slow “gearchange” = no fun.
well of course, CVTs weren’t designed for having fun. but IMO they suck.
unless the CVT box responses very fast, it’ll be fun.
CVT will not be felt responsive as standard auto transmission. it will defeate the purpose.
still like old skool style manual gearbox… love a peugeot 405 with turbo engine and then use manual gearbox from ciroen xantia diesel… its a mabeles combination u know… love old style bmw e30 manual gearbox…. love mercedes w123 manual gearbox…. i’ve drive many modern car with manual gearbox… yes, they are easy to use, faster, but not feel SOLID anymore.. just like missing something…. mbe coz i like the old skool style… mbe other people like the new tech… but for me, the old style is the best… i’m not saying that the old style manual is better, i know the latest tech is better… but the ‘fun’ is not there anymore… About automatic gb, i don’t want to say anything, coz i’m not the type who use auto gb…. that type is just not for me…
so go buy kancil la bro.. it much fun any way.. hahah
The reader nxid still think this model is ‘RENDERING’……..come on la……never read properly
wow…you dragged the issue from the old post till now?
ok…since you drag it…..
your comment on post RENDERING: Lancer-based Proton Waja replacement model
“Looks like proton waja is a mixture of designs from Lancer / Volvo……….proton no engineer to design own car? However, the looks is one issue, how about the quality later?”
how can you make a comment about the design when the actual car are taped? because what you see is just are rendering from TC. for your information the picture below the video is a rendered picture from TC and the pictures after the jump is actual pictures which actually quite different from what TC has rendered.
Nxid still dreaming……..please stick it to yourself. No energy to talk to you. Please read other article as well.
how much do u guys think the price will be?
more expensive than persona/waja CPS, top spec will be in vios/city range.
a little lower then the new perdana price before
I just hate it when Proton tried to imitate Lancer. It will only spoil Mitsubishi branding. Next time no point buying the real Lancer, coz later people will still say that you bought Proton Waja. What a disappointment. Hey Proton, why dont you try to imitate BMW? Or Mercedes instead? Come out with your own design la… since you guys a so good in your R&D. Thanks, you just spoil the market.
another sore current lancer user..on your face mate!
and 4agze .. you are the sore looser which thinks Proton is doing a good job !
and ballon .. you are the sore looserESTSS if u thinks Proton is not doing a good job !(sori just rebadge from your statement)…and i think its better…
blame mitsubishi!
try see mitsubishi persona on the road soon..
a sad day for mitsu lancar owner but a good day for me if the price is at 80k – 90k,
just curious why some malaysian hate this new proton, it a good thing that we had a good option for our buying power, or we should start to do everything by our self, no more foreign tech, everything must be done, start from scratch; pride is good, but to much pride is stupid
They did imitate BMW and gave us the Waja. :P
This is not copy, this is rebadge.
another mitsu lancer owner’s comment…hahahaha
Hahaha! Sore Lancer owner?
brader, If proton imating Mitsu, they will be fined. Looking at the case 150% Proton will lose & fined like millions RM. Jap not moron one. We called this learning, sharing technology, JV or whatsoever.
Dont tell us u sleep for the past 20 years? FYI the world experiencing economic turmoil & some of the mega corporation gulung tikar. Currency speculator, 9/11, banking scandal, just for your info one of recent olympic host is having a real serious financial crisis.
Everyone knows that proton is not designing all of thier model. and some of their product kinda crap (mind my language). And most of us know that local version of existing model is not entirely cool.
Dont u know how much investment is required to a car? And do u know how big MY market? how long proton can reach the breakeven point? Proton can design thier own car but they may face financial problem later.
Think economic la bro. Bear with them. Patriotic la sikit
now i’m interested, keep it up proton!
Yup, keep it up copying other car…lol
Sekali pandang,Proton Walan memang dicopy terus dari Lancer. Tak perlu reka reka…..tukar badge sahaja…
Mitsubishi really has no Respect for current Lancer owners….sigh…awful…
i can smell a lancer owner..lol
you must be a kancil owner
jom beli peugeot…
That’s the reason I don’t buy M. Lancer when it was first launch. I heard rumors that it’s going to be a Waja replacement from some engineers. Now it’s realized. Current M. Lancer sure sakit hati
later got mistsubishi owners change badge to proton coz proton lancer is much better in ride n handling, why not?
business world…..better high volume rebadge rather than low small volume with own brand..money still come
respect?? mitsu respect proton maa that why the hv the deal
this is not about respect for who buy a rm100k++ car.. this is about billions of rm…. see what happen to Ralliart… close oredi.. this show os that mitsu need mofre money.. lagi kesian kalau mitsubishi bankrupt…. waktu tu orang lansung x pandang evo.. lancer lagi la… lagi kesian kat lancer owner waktu tu… resale value jatuh merudum… sparepart semua kena pakai third party punya… apa mau cerita???
i support proton but (humbly n personally) opined and feel as if its a step backwards since proton have come up with good designs lately all on their own. I don’t understand the move. But then again… i’m not in the car selling business just a lowly consumer.
Proton is shfiting its focus to new Persona 2011 and lack of fund for WRM but it cant wait another 5 years to replace current Waja which is where this rebadge comes about. So, i think instead of step backwards, Proton is actually step forward by making right move for their business. As for mitsu, Lancer cant compete with T and H brand due to its brand recognition in Malaysia, so this rebadge is actually a good deal for Mitsu although at some extend, it hurts the feeling of current Lancer owner.
i get what u mean. To me (n maybe its just me) proton doesn’t have to design one model after the next. U can design the models concurrently. Have different teams designing different segments altogether. since the persona is a sedan u can adapt waja name for a crossover based on the already available exora platform (thus cutting down on expenditure). that is a segment proton has yet to enter.
back or forward… from my persepective… from years consulting on design n branding… this venture may be good for the coffers but bad for the brand. Already people are thinking of puting a mitsu-evo brand to this future waja.
every car manufacture tries to be something to the market yet its the market that labels them for what they are. T&H are great for the family/executive with sedans n mpvs… Mitsu performance cars in evo n the 4X4 pajeroes… Suzuki n diahatsu for small cars… but they all still have a whole range of other models in their respective stables.
where does the pride go when u sell a car and the buyer thinks to want to label it as something else. I just KNOW proton can do better than this.
Waja came out in 2000 and are you saying they have never planned for a waja replacement before .. every car manufacturer knows that they have to plan for a replacement once a new model launches !
So this means proton is never going forward
I don’t think Proton have enough resources to work on the replacement. After Waja, they came out with Gen-2, which fared badly. Then they worked on Savvy. Even worse. Then they had to scramble with Persona & the new Saga to recover from the two uhmm… un-savvy projects.
After that, they only have enough time/resources to work on one project: either an MPV or Waja replacement. They chose the MPV, thus short cut is required for the Waja replacement.
In business, you have to get real. I’m glad they get real :-) If not, it will be another round of bail-out. :-(
Well said. But I don’t think the problem with Lancer is the brand but the design of it. Too sporty for many family oriented.
i dunno why, but even young people also did not buy lancer.. they will go for civic….
all because of the resale value
but power wise lancer is have the advantage
once my friend own civic 2.0 want to test power le ngan my friend new lancer gt
he lost by 1 & half door/1 door distance even after 3 time.
they all using auto gear mode not pedal shift.
I’m actually on the same page with you bro..but in an industry where business strategy is equally important as technology, this move is inevitable..as an example, lotus is well known for its ride handling and feather weight technos, but uncoupled with the right business direction, it is suffering. Thats what i think P1 is trying to do to saveguard both itself and Lotus and its a smart move too..
LOLX… i would buy Mitsubishi Lancer instead of buying this Malaysia product
later will have more cheap spec Police Helang on road. and fate Evo kekeke…..
the exhaust nozzle looks big and just single instead of double..supposed the engine will be the same mivec engine on current lancer..
Yup, the same thing i saw. This was shown on 4th September 2010 (Saturday morning) TV3’s Nightline at 12.00am. They also mention the engine will be based on the previous model, does that mean the previous Lancer’s engine, so we’ll be getting an old tech Mitsu engine as usual? Soft launch October. Lol.
This rebadge thing typically reminds me of the Wira based on the GSR Evo3. IMO, this should be the Wira Replacement model since both are rebadging model. I wonder what name has the proton team chosen from the competition which was opened only to their employees.
Pitty those owning a Mit. Lancer… it looks almost the same from the picture.. but pretty sure Mits. spare part business will be very good especially the sales of the bumper and the grille and their logo.. all those wannabe will just buy a Proton Lancer and retrofit it.. hhaha..
i cannot wait to change my Mitsubishi Logo on my Lancer to Proton
Don’t forget the sales of halfcuts.. for those “4G93 terbalik” and “4G63 terbalik” units that haven’t really taken off in the current crop of Gen2, Waja and Persona owners yet.. The days of Wiralution and Wajalution is back with a mighty vengeance. Hopefully it will force the other Jap (and Korean) players to buck up and price their cars realistically (Altis 2.0 for over RM130k, anyone?) instead of taking the local consumers for granted.
no big differences between this car n current lancer lor
ps-i hope my eyes tricks me
its just a copy from mitsubishi lancer, consumer now can own a cheaper version of lancer gt. wonder if still have a buyer for original lancer gt, coz this version make the real one downgraded?
yes…cant wait to check this babe out in the market…….
i like everything about the new waja…except the tail lamp…..damn ugly, if i gonna get one, i’ll change that lamp to aftermarket one………hail to LED tail lamp..,wahahaha
This new replacement model for WAJA will last for another 10~18yrs & they will keep on producing till the mould damage & repair again & still produce.
What do u think?
yea…. at the middle of the period, no, not to long, there will gonna be lancer, ops..new waja taxis….
adios!
I like your nick. I bet if Juara was a Toyota the masses would lap it up.
Lancer was on top of my list when it was launched in 2007. I ended up buying other model from other marque. And I regretted for not buying Lancer. But now I no longer regret that. In fact I am relieved that I dodged a bullet.
I think your assumption is, how shall we say, “bollocks”, sir.
Proton’s Waja/Lancer is also meant for EXPORT as a part of their deal with Mitsubishi.
finally new engine coming in. 1.8L maybe..
y there is no LED lights for rear lamp??
Man, this is going to pull down Lander GT’s prices tremendously! Why can’t Proton do a Protonised Civic or Forte instead? Now lots of Waja will be modded like Lancer GT and we can’t tell the differences no more, exteriorly! I wonder if they would get the more robust Mitsubishi gear or the current GT’s more lady-like ones.
Ya, just like Proton Waja Lancer, wouldn’t it be cool to have Proton Waja CIvic? But in reality this would not happen. We already have Honda Malaysia. Cheers…
i bought the gt not knowing that proton’s doing an almost exact replica of the gt. looking at the pics, all you need are the bumpers and badges to complete the transformation, which should cost less than rm2k if bought new from mmc. if i am a new gt buyer in the market, i’ll be hard-pressed not to go for the waja gt. well-played move by proton.
rm2k? very cheap i think… coz last time i’m checking the price for tail lamp for VW GOLF GTI, the price is rm2.5k… just for the tail lamp.. huhu..
Just ask the current Lancer owner change their Mitsubishi Logo to Honda
proton rebadge rolls royce drophead coupe oso ppl will bash maaa hehehe
i can see it already.
‘poor man’s rolls-royce’
‘ 20+ years oso still rebadge arr?’
‘i hope power window is better on this one’..
hehe
does Lotus go to do with this Proton Waja Lancer type?
25 years ago when Proton started, the cars were rebadged Mitsubishi Lancers with cosmetic changes. 25 years after that, Proton has come a full circle, back to rebadged Mitsubishis with cosmetic changes and tweaked suspension (since Proton owns Lotus, it can tell Lotus to do whatever thst’s needed within Lotus’ field of expertise).
We Malaysians put up with high import duties and tolerated the crappy cars (power-window failures, fuel pump and cheap, hard plastic interior aside) that Proton produces and 25 years later we are back to square one?!
Hyundai (and Kia) are making cars that are selling like hot cakes in the US. We can’ even export our cars without making at least 200 modifications to suit safety and emission standards. And to think that Hyundai started making cars around the same time with us, having Mitsubishi as a technology partner as well.
Proton, as a National industry, you failed us all. Might as well sell-off to Volkswagen. Look at the national czech car project, skoda. A fat lot of good it did them when VW took over. Better cars, better engines (shared with VW and Audi), better built quality, bigger export market. Looks like the very same problems you people in Proton have right now.
Thanks.
jangan jadi bodoh lah! kalau tak tau study dulu. jangan tulis tak guna otak. malu orang kampung je…
Chung Ju-Yung founded the Hyundai Engineering and Construction Company in 1947. Hyundai Motor Company was later established in 1967.
South Korea’s oldest car company, Kia was founded on June 9, 1944 as a manufacturer of steel tubing and bicycle parts by hand — and has operated as one of the country’s Chaebols since. In 1952, Kia changed its name from Kyungsung Precision Industry,[9] and later built motorcycles (starting in 1957), trucks (1962) and cars (1974).
In order to develop the automobile industry, the Korean government announced the “Automobile Industry Promotion Policy” in 1962, and The Automobile Industry Protection Act to protect the infant industry. Foreign automakers were barred from operating in Korea, except in joint ventures with local business entities. The government’s efforts led to companies that were established in other businesses entering the industry, and the formation of new startups. Three companies were established in 1962:
Kyeongseong Precision Industry, which changed its name to “Kia Industry”, and started assembling cars in cooperation with Mazda in 1964;
Ha Dong-hwan Automobile Industry Co. (the predecessor of SsangYong Motor Company); and
Saenara Automobile, established with the technical cooperation of Nissan Motor Co.; it was the first automaker in Korea that was equipped with modern assembly facilities.
The Asia Motors Company was established in 1965, and the Hyundai Motor Company in 1968 with the technical cooperation of the Ford Motor Company.
However, all these companies were then merely automotive assemblers, importing parts from overseas partners.
However, Kia’s bankruptcy in 1997, part of the Asian financial crisis, resulted in 51% of the company being acquired in 1998 by South Korean rival Hyundai Motor Company,
and another piece of advise you go do your homework how much the Korean have to pay for import car.
The origins of what became Škoda Auto go back to the early 1890s
Well done,my friend.
honestly, i malas to read your story, just thumb u down
I’m not sure if any of you two use otak or not. But i still think Proton can be better and a little too behind as compared to its rivals. Any how they are putting great effort in catching up. As a Malaysian I really look forward to what Proton could offer the Malaysian in near future.
R-E-S-P-E-C-T BRO!!!
I think most Malaysian will support National make, it is the politicians that screwed up everything. They want us to drive proton but not their children due to safety issues. Just look at them, they don’t even send their children to national school and for NS.
Not to mention Proton is nothing more than a milking cow for them, they are the suppliers.
The most important thing of all is the LACK OF INITIATIVE TO MOVE FORWARD.
Nobody is asking proton to produce Mercedez quality cars, a good old reliable car with all the basic safety features + reliable parts. It is not that hard, the question is why not? To maximize profit in the name of death?
boleh kira ke brapa MP yg beli exora dan persona compare wif BMW 5 series or Merc E200??? i dont thing much
still, koreans pay less for imported cars than us, for instance, for a bmw 320i, they pay around rm135k compared to our price which is around rm236k, almost double, plus about speaking of automotive company evolution from its roots, certainly a company from the 19th century cannot be compared to one which started in the late 20th century, because of the availability and advancement of technology. in a nutshell, proton shouldn’t be relying on the government to tax imported cars ridiculously, instead they should lower their prices to achieve basic and value for money motoring,just like Korea where their local cars are really cheap’. also stop copying and pasting articles around, better if you hyperlink those webpages here, that way, we Malaysians won’t be known as a copy & paste society…
p.s. this waja lancer, in my opinion, is a good step as many automakers share their platforms or chassis and make rebadge editions of vehicles… Proton, just keep on working hard and forget about protectionism, it feels better for you and for Malaysians…
I dun agree with ur statement
” certainly a company from the 19th century cannot be compared to one which started in the late 20th century, because of the availability and advancement of technology.”
what is so good about availability and advancement of technology, if proton don’t know how to use or utilize it? Experiences matter
Did you know how the currency works ?. It’s the exchange rate same with us ?.
You have to see the exchange rate Korea vs US, RM vs US. Not Korea vs RM.
still Malaysia is the largest market for BMW and MERCEDES in southeast asia….
even so, do you think given another 200 years, our proton cars could compete in the automotive industry that time?
Woo… Bro,
Don’t get to hard on your words… People comments because they concern. If not, what for?
History is for us to learn, especially the mistakes. What state we are now is really matters to the people. The people, no matter drive P1 cars or not have been shouldering the cost of P1 since its existance, directly or indirectly. Thats why they concern.
Remember, P1 own Lotus which has decades of history in bag. All in all, dont put the blame on history. Just move forward with achievements. Or at least, give someting that ease people’s burden.
My opinion is, after 25 yrs, P1 is still making cars with almost all imported built up materials, tools and tools materials, and machinerys. These what greatly dragged P1 behind.
Why are you basher are so thick minded. Proton already have the capabilities to design and produce their own car. In term of knowledge they are already there. This move is just to increase proton revenue due to the cost savings involve in exchanging platform.
why ppl always keep writing like they no better in this world, but the truth is they no noting..
im agree wif u,if not about when the company opened up,who take over,what
happen to the world economy and everthing..
back then the tech develop in a very slow level..when proton opened in the 80s it was the egineering world including automotive world turns to be innovative by producing better quality output..so the time gap is not the issue here..proton almost 25 years cooperating with mitsu motors but im still wondering why proton dont even get near the simple mitsu “auto gear shit tech”.
then turns to lotus for that product..even the eu people thinks twice buying a lotus brand..campro engine are noisy,its will get noiser if you try to used 2 3 different engine oil,door lock,mirror motor soon wear to of,air condition (no need to say lah u all know already),gear transmission 4 level only ,timing belt always want sing..
what the used of handling by lotus if your have this much problem..
im sad for proton – after klcc,sepang klia,bakun project,the smart tunnel,the first man in the outerspace…still they copy other company car. no dignity
A long overdue yet totally exciting piece of news ! Well done proton !! Just can’t wait any longer for the launching date !!! Cheers .
Agreed..
I don’t really care wether Proton re-badge or not.. for me
what important is a great looking car, decent QA/QC (at least same as persona) and affordable price.. that’s what rakyat want..
do you seriously think that rakyat care that proton re-badge cars? hell no
for sure they’ll LOVE it
For you bashers,
keep on bashing.. say what you want to say: shame la, a step behind la, re-badge la.. sooner or later you’ll be proven wrong..
pity you!
proton pls make sure QC is the same with Lancer GT > if not you fail
Wow.. they’re not kidding.. it’s 95% identical to the Lancer GT! I guess those Lancer Evolution X bodykits should be flying off the shelves pretty soon!!
Bravo to Proton’s CEO, lately they’ve been providing the rakyat with cars that we’re excited about and waiting impatiently for the launches, and we’re actually looking forwards to future models from Proton!
gotta wonder wot’s that 5% change is meh?
tires?
wheels?
gearknob?
steering?
lightbulb?
screws?
headrest?
different spoiler?
manual gb instead of cvt?
niche rebadge as proton fanboys say, look forward to it not making a huge impact in the TIV. i just fell sorry for my friend who drive a bona fide Lancer, if i were i would sell it double quick and get something else.
as i mentioned earlier, just ask them to change their Mitsubishi Logo to Honda
woooww!
can’t wait..please put the price under 75k~~
Oh yesss, can’t wait to see the effect to the whole market… Maybe Malaysian economy will get better.
cetttt..under 65k !
y look exactly the same v lancer? should change the design a bit, escpecially rear design……. hope that the lauch of waja will not affect the sales of persona,
actually protn should stop lauching any new sedan since there were alrdy hv 2 sedan, Saga and Persona on the market which achieve the high sales every months.
Proton should start planning to renew the design for Savvy n see whether can fight with myvi or viva or not. SUV is also another type of cars which Proton sholud think of it
don’t you forget proton emas?..but probably we gonna see it in the next 5 years
still only prototype no?
emas in 2012 laaa…
suv is being developed as well, for china market (youngman)
by that time already outdated !
that Proton emas still need to wait long long time
2012 bro…LOTUS badge Emas 2011…come on PROTON!!!
i agree….
Don’t worry bro… .looking at the trend and way of Proton. Soon you will see Proton Pajero, Proton Outlander, Proton Grandis, Proton Triton, Proton FTO, Proton GTO, Proton CYborg, Proton Asti, Proton Colt, Proton Galant, Proton Delica, Proton Toppo, Proton i, Proton Pajero Mini, Proton Minica and etc old goreng balik Mitsubishi stocks. whahahah….. PROTON Boleh!……… Mitsubishi WANABE long life forever…….
Mitsubishi Owner just sad and disappointed.
good one la bearX.. 100 years to come still copy,copy n copy..by the year end tell the media proton this much profit so on and so on…tell u what,people want to buy this car because it is the same with mitsu Lancer,at the end of the day what is the function of producing car by the name of PROTON,just take the emblem and glue it to another car la,senang saja ma…. sincerely
please re-badge the GTO & make it 500kg lighter. :P
Waja should be a class above of Persona. Like City vs Civic or Vios vs Altis. Saga falls below the class of City or Vios.
was hoping that the engine will be a 1.8 or 2.0…huhuhuuu
1.8 kot…coz 2.0 is kacau’ing perdana market already…
if that so then why the gen-2 kacau the persona market meh? same cc wat?
New Perdana will get 2.4 engine meh.. kompom oredi..
I want it now !!! PROTON ROX…tis time…
its time to trade my 5yrs old gen2…cant wait 4 the launchin.
my gen2 4years old…anyone interested to buy? hehehe..or proton will do exchange campaign ?
Me too, im driving a 5yr old Waja now. time to let go for this waja lancer. Hope the price is less than 70k
hope Proton complete it withPHOENIX PROJECT engine, campoTurbocharger direct injection , 6 Speed Getrag Gearbox menual,cps or CVVT system on air intakes valves, and CVT gearbox auto…..congratulation ceo proton..nice job
More likely to have a ZF 6HP series 6-speed auto transmission somewhere down the line.. Probably a ZF unit that’s produced as a JV with Proton and not an existing design, like how the 4HP16 was a result of JV between ZF and GM-Daewoo.
the only thing unknown is the engine.. if fitted with 1.6 campro wonder if suit the weight of the body.. hope that the price range is right because wrong pricing can cause buyer to opt for 2nd hand lancer GT instead..
some lancer in singapore is 1.5 engine
Definitely not 1.6 Campro. Campro 1.3 & 1.6 are for their lower-segment cars like Saga, Persona, Gen 2, etc.
For the Waja replacement, Perdana replacement, etc. they’ll definitely use higher-capacity engines (likely to be licensed from Mitsubishi), and later on, the Phoenix engine. Heard that Proton ain’t so keen on Renault powertrains and engines anymore after their so-so capabilities in the Waja 1.8 and Savvy.
“Crap!” said the lancer owner
“Yippie!” said the other lancer owner.. now they can buy cheaper Proton parts to fit their CBU Lancer GT
The owner of the original Lancer is gonna feel bored now that it will be common on the road.
now everyone can drive mitsu lancer…not for just crap rich n famous only..just like airasia tagline
proton now becoming perodua all over again…
Use same chassis but with different body so it doesn’t look like Lancer.
if the price is right, why not?
why bother?
Mmm… Proton seem to follow Naza that re-badged the Forte. No different between Kia Forte and Naza Forte, just the badge different. Sigh… now Proton is doing the same.
P2, at least some design changes eg Perodua Myvi vs Daihatsu Boon
Which design that u mentioned?styling design or engineering design? is the new waja is rebadge as Forte ? i don’t think so. there are a lot of engineering work to be done on new waja. not as Forte or Myvi. they only change badge, bumper. don’t make joke here.
perodua rebadge all the toyota/daihatsu cars…atleast proton is exchange the platform with mitsu..proton get lancer and direct injection tech AND Mitsu get Exora and the new persona…
hopefully auto version sell at 80k
Proton said prices will remain competitive. Hopefully it’s below Rm75k full specs for auto.
Very similar to Theophilus rendering. Which came first, the rendering or the car :P?
So a Campro CPS engine in it for the manual transmission as well?
same??? wth, it’s totally diff. theopilus got it wrong! see the front-end.
You blind brah ? The front end is sooooooo close to the real thing. And there’s no such thing as he got it right or wrong cause he is only meshing up these renderings based on what he thinks the car MIGHT look like. If you’re any better why not you show us how your rendering looks like.
not similar at all, the one that with similar front end render are from bro campromania@funtastickodesign..
the one that make by bro campromania are the one that similar…
the new waja will use the new mitsu engine la’…hopefully 4B11…
This is awesome. Now waiting for theopilus chin for the newest render based on this.
p.s : I can smell basher is on the way. *wink
After 25 yrs, going back to Day1 of re-badge.
Are we satisfy with this? or may proton just become a trader better (sure makes more money than now) instead of car manufacturer (at least no need take money from G for the R&D fund)
For me,it’s not going back but it give a way buy “Mitsubishi” car with low price. Next model names P3.
other manufacturer doing the same thing.. they have their own /homeground model.. adan also rebadge/collaboration model for niche production
like at Daihatsu.. they have their own model MIRA.. they also do rebadge for luminas/boon
Subaru has their own model Impreza.. they oso rebadge small car from passo.. so wha’s wrong with that??
anyway if u r not happy with this rebadge model… you can go with saga, persona, exora current homeground models.. or maybe next new model persona R and EMAS…
pls open ur mind dude
Yah… agreed with Bro peYno… Open you mind dude…….
Bro penYno is a Mitsubishi WANABE Fans and Proton Supporter…..
hope they get the pricing right.
“harganya akan kekal kompetiif”
ya,you are right mr. proton with the imported car price and current tier interest rates is sky rocketing…
yup risky mah, loan to locals that drive the car for 3 months then cannot pay instalments kena tarik lo! that is why the rest of us all kena high HP rates. all in all, total cost of buying the car bleum kira servicing, is it really competitive.
kompetitif when imported cars are STILL highly taxed
Definitely not 1.6.. i talk wth proton people, he said its 1.8 and 2.0…just wait and see..i cant wait for this…would probably switch my neo cps to this…then convert engine to evo 9…wuhuuu!!
I like neo cps, how much?can nego?
Wah, banyak duit
y convert backward suppose evo10 rite?..do u really mean that switch car..how many yrs remaining to pay ur loan..think twice bro…do like i do..currently salary rm3000 need to find diff job at least rm4000..so the extra can cover this mitsu….hehe
Evo9 engine is good… Many perdana also still conver to evo3 engine… If evo10 engine, i think the price is a bit higher than evo 9…. still evo9 engine is better than current Lancer gt engine…
Firstly, kesian to those lancer owner and if proton using back lancer engine then it will be very demanding, just depends on what accessories proton will provide for this car.
Secondly, there will be more wajalution on the road :(
but don’t think it will same like the real evolution…….
You are all stupid for blaming Proton. Why dont you think properly, Mitsubishi is the one who should be blamed for giving the permission for Proton to rebadge thier current Lancer model. Don’t talk cock la if you don’t know. This is all for the benefit of their business. Both of them gain something. All of you talk like a pro,but the truth is, there is something wrong with yourself & it is HATRED & un-satisfy with your gov, am I right?
wrong. those are the voices from the current Lancer GT owners shaking their head in disgust knowing their car’s residue value is going down the drain.. what more with their 9-year loan……
Proton is a headache to the current government, it has no choice but to protect it, I feel sorry for the government and those boys at MITI.
Mitsubishi is just doing business. Imagine someone knock on your door, tell you that he (Proton) will pay you $$$ on loyalty for your car… would you say NO???
Beside that, how many Mit Lancer is sold in Malaysia? The loyalty gain by Mit maybe more than the profit earn by Mit on its Lancer sold in Malaysia !!
Superman
I 100% agreed what u comment. This is call business. The Mit market cant going far more in bolehland, my op. So, how to maximize the production/Tech R&D cost invested?
Leave it or sale it.
Great decision make by Mit
They just want a E class that cost them RM 100k.
Sad day for Proton.
I think the govt really screwed up by allowing badge engineered Malaysian “Manufacturers”.
Perodua, Naza Kia, Naza Bestari are all a joke and an insult to the idea of a national car company. They were all created to exploit the loophole of National Car status tax reliefs and all had no intention of becoming genuine manufacturers with original design. This mistake has meant that all the years of high taxes to protect Proton were all for nought as it undermined Protons ability to grow and be independent when we could buy badge engineered Daihatsu, Toyota, Kia and Puegeots at National Car prices.
Sigh…..the dream is over for a true Malaysian independent manufacturer…..undermined by myopic policy makers……
unrelated perhaps but did you know, naza car showroom along the federal highway is actually a bonded warehouse, which mean they no need to pay excise and import duty before they sell the cars sitting on show there?!
now NZ get the idea and signing with General next?..mmh…good move, so we wan the Asean market by export tax free to others, but import we still taxed other asean auto manufacturing…mmh…will thai and indon allow that? i wonder.
Man.. Proton is really unpredictable. Too bad for current lancer owner, surely value will drop a bit. The good thing is u can get spare parts easily. We, Malaysians are all screwed up by this unpredictable move. Who knows maybe one day Proton decide to bungkus and we all can enjoy fair imported car price.
sore loosers which disagree .. you will always stuck with a PROTON and never improve
Congratulation to PROTON again.. they manage to COPY CAT another model of car.
This is what PROTON 25th years of achievement is PANDAI COPY CAT. YEAH~~ MALAYSIA BOLEH!!!!
wei bodo, this is what we call as rebadge. in order to save cost. when other car manufacturer like peugeot rebadge mitsu, why r u not kutuk them copy cat?
Perodua also copycat..huhu
people who disagree are the actual looser because you will never be able to PROUDLY SAY I AM DRIVING A MADE IN MALAYSIA CAR
HAha..i wil NEVER proud if i’m driving made in malaysia car.
if cant never be proud of malaysian..dont be a malaysian lah…
no wonder u call yourself balloon………….self inflate lol
if u got alot of fund…do your own design..well see about it
if they dunno do they own design, dun manufacture car la.
Pity u..you dont even know wht’s the meaning of copy cat and rebadge..ouh pls go back to school and learn your vocab..
Let me explain BRIEFLY..Proton doesn’t COPY CAT..they REBADGE it..if u want to know the meaning of ‘copy cat’ please go see BYD(China’s car company) website..
i admit i so not know english so much, then u tell me whats the different of copy cat and rebadge?
we are not paid to teach you
When an automotive company wants to rebadge certain models from other makes..they usually ask permission, make an agreement and with certain conditions so that both of them will gain ‘something’ or to make it (almost) a win-win situation..for example, just see citroen and mazde rebabding outlander..
—> http://paultan.org/2010/06/06/psa-peugeot-citroen-may-rebadge-new-mitsubishi-1-0l-to-1-3l-compact-car/
while if a company did a copy cat..usually they imitate certain model of other makes without their permission and agreement..for example, just look at BYD M6 trying to imitate toyota Estima..
—> http://paultan.org/2009/03/23/byd-m6-estima-inspired-chinese-mpv/
(is it clear enough?)
they are nothing different ~ my friend ? in order to make it sounds well, then we call it rebadge, but actually it’s also called “COPYCAT” ! that’s what this “all new waja” does !
imagine if someone converts this car’s engine into Evo X’s 4B11T, but WITHOUT changing the looks.
this car will be a freakin’ sleeper monster.
the same engine doesn’t mean the same engineering.. are you understand??
the engine cost u 20k. installation 10k = total Rm30k, then Ur car let say is RM85k + 30K = RM115k (Not include ur 9 year bank loan interest) + ur Original warranty Void!!! Worth? During 9 years, u may loose ur job, then no money to pay loan? how? Modified car, most ppl dont want? resales value drop to Rm40k, still hutang bank….. ;p
aku rasa kalau proton pakai enjin 2.0 sah2 harga dalam RM100k. dengan interest yg tinggi untuk kereta proton skrg 3.55% – 4.25% aku rasa better beli original lancer gt. Bulan2 beza xberapa byk, lancer gt interest 3.5% je, kalau civic 3.2%, lagi baloi… sebab ape bila korang kira2 bayaran bulan2 nanti xbeza byak.
so, bagi mengelakkan masalah ni berlaku, aku rasa proton waja ni akan keluar dgn guna enjin 1.6 CPS Manual dan Auto. Sbb 1.6 CPS diguna dalam exora yg berat 1442kg. So should be no problem. And 1.8 (A), 4B10 will use for premium spec… Baru harga murah dan rakyat mampu beli. So owner2 lancer gt takla rasa panas sgt.. hehehe sbb diaorg punya 2.0 4B11.
berat lancer gt 1350kg..aku rasa berat new waja ni dalam 1250-1300kg sebab barang dan besi yang digunakan tak berkualiti.
kalau keluar 2.0 aku rasa rakyat akan pikir 2 3 kali sebelum beli dgn harga RM100K. Last2 jabatan2 kerajaan je yang beli utk jadikan keta jabatan.. hehehe… so just wait n see…
setuju sangat,…mana ada waja 2.0 lagi yg proton keluarkan….tidak mungkin harga 2.0L
serendah 70k-80k……pemilik lancer GT X perlu risau…….
Eleh… Lancer bukan bagus sangat pon.. Baik beli Peugeot 407… 2 kali lagi best..
i prefer a rebadged VW Passat than a rebagded Mitsu Lancer
Way to go brother
once our former PM said that perodua is not considered as buatan Malaysia because they have the DNA of Japan (toyota has 36% share of perodua, IMHO), but now we see that Proton also having the similar characteristics as perodua since it signed an agreement with Mitsu. poor Proton.
i think our increasingly senile ex-pm will then say that it is ok since we have the Look East policy but then maybe will call the japs racist or apanama or the foreign car brands as neo-colonisers since they want to kill off proton’s protected status. haha!
U called him senile.. but still the world respect him.. still they call him to give lecture and pay him millionsUSD per speech… Still they need him to solved world conflict… Sila ambil tahu perkembangan semasa.. jgn jadi orang yg x tau apa2…
i think he didn’t agree that Naza get national car status, not perodua. at least now perodua is using around 70-80% local components compared to Naza…
i like! hahahaha. surely am looking forward to it. i’ll buy this waja! hahaha
1) the reporter looks like he had proton troubles in the past (im sure we all did)
2) the waja replacement looks decent enough , thank god there is no ‘Alfa’ influence on the car , tail lamp looks normal..
3) Proton used up all their resources in making the exora im sure.., they need a c-segment car quickly to remain competitive (survive) , hence the lancer steps in
4)If the basic waja model still comes a single driver’s airbag , then its still a dissapointment to the entire nation,
5) safety equipments like ABS, EBD , dual airbag, all disc brake , these all should be standard even on basic model for Today’s modern standard, dont compromise safety!
6) Old waja was famous for its handling and high speed stability, it’ll be nice to compare this replacement model with the lancer
6) Old waja was famous for its handling and high speed stability, it’ll be nice to compare this replacement model with the lancer
agree
Agree! :)
Well on your point no.5, you can say that especially to Toyota as they are suppose to be one of the world oldest car manufacturers and still offering drums on the rear wheels.
ic ,but we malaysians are never sure of how much a car actually costs, so many taxes, and since the japs have been here long enough , the 3 big companies (Nissan, Honda ,Toyota) sets up the price of what we believe was competitive (b,c,d segment ) , with so called ‘standard’ equipments ( rear drum brakes… maybe all disc shubbe better, i dunno, i think so ) I feel since the arrival of forte ( not sure yet bout its longevity ) and pug 308 turbo, cars like these, where Malaysian can see that cheap cars doesn’t have to be devoid of new equipments, which if the new waja is lacking ,is still a dealbreaker,
Cuz Malaysians still follow the motto ‘ alot of car for your cash ‘
i’m happy, this is the best 25 yrs of gift from proton to us :) a good lancer :)
i’m gonna buy 1
save your money buy a decent house and rent the rooms out and then go buy yourself a real pocket rocket like the ford FOCUS tdci, guaranteed ORI not rebadge! lol!
Then after 5 yours you will regret like hell due to low secondhand value and expensive parts. Talking about irony.
that would have been 5 years spent behind the wheel of a frugal turbodiesel and the best frontwheel drive handling. sweetness! depreciation be damned! if you cannot handle depreciation coz cars will depreciate, TAKE THE BUS!
dot be shock if they start the price at 70s
80K!?
ridiculous! shd price lower than tat!
80k.. 1.8 MIVEC engine, lotus handling
what not?? if compared with super milo tin1.5 cc ALZA @70k
LOL! you would have to be a LULU to buy this car from proton.
if i remembered correctly the 1.8 will be around $69k and 2.0 around $75k… read it somewhere not so long ago.. reasonable pricing but don’t know if we can believe it or not…
69 ~ 75k may kill Alza sales also!!! ha ha ha…. hopefully they kill each other, than every Dealer drop price to compete their sales!!! Ha ha ha ha
no lah the price will be only 45k
ask the govt to lower the tax first.
Buyer sure want as cheap as possible lah!!! Must lower than 80k!!! HA ha ha, all the susu, nasi, mee semua naik harga…. In future Petrol will increse to RM2.7/l again!!! Sure dont want pay more lah~ got extra left, do Saving for Future!!!
Ask govt Tax free this Waja better for …
Ask govt Tax free for this Waja better …
this is bullcrap! all proton knows after all these years under govt’s protectionism policy is to copy paste another product! and they’ve got no shame to of it! Worst of all, Mitsubishi has no respect for their own buyers!
Actually what kind of engine will it gets?
maybe 1.6 campro cps,1.8 campro still under developing progress.. the new mitsu mivec is not for sale to any car right now..
wira mivec old engine that want can buy.
expected many mitsu lancer kena curi from neighbouring countries like sgpore n brunei
mitsui car (lancer m galant) from brunei is hot item from car thief in miri
the bruneian stop bringing their car n use chartered bus
just curious the expected selling price? around 70k-80k?
what crap. Now no longer just ABS and EBD. Some countries including EU zone will ban cars for sale without curtain / side airbags and Electronic stability control. In 2012, it would actually be illegal to buy a proton in its current form in victoria, australia
Proton has grown up and learned to be wiser.
instead of wasting money on R&D for new car, they just wasting money re-design the bumpers of Mit Lancer.
With not much money wasted.. hopefully they can give the rakyat a RM60K proton Lancer lah!
sook, i always back u up when u were under attacked, why u like so support proton suddenly?
I somehow agree with the move taken by Proton. This is a seeding of fund for their upcoming project though. I don’t consider the new Waja as a new model after all. A facelift version maybe the right term.
Waiting for new model expected to launch on 2012 then I’ll buy myself one.
My 2 cents.
don piss off.
we glad coz u country manufacture cars in the first place..
country like sg, thailand.. they got no national car but we have..
anyway.. proton not my cup of tea..
Malaysia has a national car. So what? Somehow countries with a national car are better off than those without?
really? for example?
think harder
definetely, perodua salesman, vios dan honda city salesman not happy with the news
all this time.. they conn customer
” our car designed in Japan, engine from japan.. unlike proton.. local made.. not good”
prrrrrtfhhhh
Lancer owners can say whatever they want, in the end ppl will still buy it. yeah keep on bashing and get ready to be smoked by waja lancer, LOL!
i simply do not understand that after all these years, with so many sources of information available at the tip of our fingers, that so many of you are still completely unaware of the concept of rebadging and react as though it is a sin punishable by death…
what then is there to be said about peugeot and citroen who rebadge the mitsubishi i and the mitsubishi outlander? what about tesla who uses the lotus elise as a base for their tesla roadster? did u know that the tiny aston martin cygnet is essentially a toyota iq? do u know about the bmw isetta? well the isetta was not designed by bmw, it was designed by an italian company called Iso back in the 50s and BMW rebadged it in 1959, when the company was already 43 years old.
are all these automotive companies backward, not up to standard or whatever of the many derogatory terms you used to describe proton for rebadging the lancer? yes proton is imperfect where criticisms are to be made but please criticize where criticism is due and do not blindly bash, it just makes you bunch look foolish…
Those small kids wont understand tis statement 1.
Pity……price is over for Local car ….:-(
Bashers bash for the sake of bashing. No matter how many times the issue have been debunked by so many people, they would still bash using the same issues! They don’t care if rebadging is standard practice among global car manufacturers. If it’s Proton, then bash they must! These people don’t see the big picture.
And the most funny bashers are the ones who said “Hyundai started making cars the same time as Proton”. No wonder the country’s going downhill. They can’t even take the time to read things and gain some general knowledge!
I think people are more worried with the quality of the re-badged Lancer, those re-badged models you mentioned have pretty decent quality I suppose.
I have bought 4 different Protons in the past but none of them is good and I was also forced to buy those overpriced accessories on each occasion. So you can imagine why so many of us have such negative feelings for Proton. We have all paid dearly for the development of Proton.
Thats the thing about life, etc if we saw one person hitting his head on the wall, you might think hes crazy. But when u saw a bunch of people hitting their head on the wall. u might think hey! this might be a new revelation.
Second etc. a person said to everyone that he wont follow the rest and hit his head on the wall, ever! With pride and glory he says it! But after seeing so many other s doing it, he does the same.
I might be wrong, cos im just another everyday foolish bunch….
Everyone rebadge but no one rebadge the MAINSTREAM CAR .. they rebadge a car which they think will only sell in small volume and will never be feasible if developed from scratch ! I agree is proton rebadge the Savvy but not their core business !
nicely said! well done bro! i’ve been telling this to my friends but they just DON’T want to get it. ignorant people. lol
If Proton was a business entity and the purpose of its existence to spur the automotive industry in itself and of itself, then I agree with you. Do you know most of the car companies you mentioned are not driven by political agenda? I think most people’s frustation is not with Proton, its probably the idealogy behind it. Even the editor of NST’s CBT today, has a column on liberalising the auto industry and Proton actually benefiting from it by quoting Proton sales figure in Thailand. So, the fact is liberalise then talk. Geddit?
potong rebatch their main model. did bmw rebatch the 3 series? did merc rebatch C class? did peugeot rebatch 308 or 407???
Potong as a dedicated car company rebatch their bread and butter model, unless u’re telling me saga is their main model, lol. wakakakak, and this lancer is served as expensive model like perdana, so its totally ok to rebatch the cold model to cater niche market. lol , wkakakakaka.
Do you know the meaning of bread and butter or not? It’s the one that provides the most revenue for the company. So the Saga, Persona and Exora are the bread and butter car for Proton, especially the Saga! Not the Waja!
peugeot do that because they did not spend on R&D cost.. Actually PSA is doing that thing.. PSA do R&D, create a technology and then give it to Peugeot and Citroen.. See… Only doing R&D once and they give it to two company under their company.. Actually many of Peugeot and Citroen car is the same car.. they just restyling it… Same car but in two Marque.. In this case Peugeot is already save their development cost… They only need to use half from what the other company spends…
DtG u r right!!
Who cares bout re-badging?? Just do away the NAP. Just give the rakyat cheap cars.
Malaysia car prices is among the highest in the world lah..
agree wit u brooo….sumtime people act like there are clever enough..but fool actually…
Well said DtG.
Dont blame them btw. Its because those bashers wasnt thinking from car manufacturers point of view.
They just want a brandnew good looking car with a cost of a wanton mee.
some are just plain stupid. they born stupid and they reluctant to learn. may be we just cut them some slack.
Are you comparing BMW with Proton??? come on guys..just face the fact that rebadging is what we call “Fishing the fish with Dynamite” or in other word “keje Malas”.
johnny boy..
BMW case mentioned just for example only..
eventhough it is a re-badge.. it is not ‘kerja-malas’
Tell that to Peugeot, Aston Martin, Mazda etc…and see if they don’t beat you with a shock absorber. You think designing don’t cost money is it? Proton lose money people make noise, now Proton want to make money & save money also make noise? Typical dumb basher.
sweet….
Nice!! Now www.wpc.com.my members and www.lancerzone.com members can kam jing together with their Waja….ops..i mean Lancer… or is it Waja ?
so what if it is a copy cat? if u don’t want to buy a copy cat car buy urself an import car that are not copy cat one la.why bising?
I have had bad experience with proton. Avoid Proton or you will just put your money to waste. To all potential car buyers, this is just a quick means to reap off of your good earned money.
as a car user as long as p1 can provide nice looking , reliable (japanese tech) and more affordable car , we malaysian should salute and thank to p1 .
agree~ as long as cheap & sustainable….
Sedih kerajaan ada kakitangan macam ko ni….Sbb orang2 macam ko ni la orang pandang serong kat kakitangan kerajaan
mesti ko org kuat BN.. tahniah . BN kroni anywhere now…very danger..
Bagus pemikiran orang mcam ko ni….tu sbb susah nak maju…suma benda dipolitikkan…x setuju ngan dia dianggap kroni pulak…kenapa la agaknya ko ni keje gomen ek….sedih-sedih
Bila orang cakap logik, yang menolak dalih pembangkang, kata kroni BN. Nilah orang Malaysia. Bodoh sombong.
excuse, u are Malaysian 2. Are you talking yourself ?
u must be the type of person who take bfast break 1hr, lunchbreak 2hr, snake here & there, procastinate on whetever work given to u, spend ur time in office surfing political blogs condeming the gov..talk here talk there, typical self righteous pembangkang..well..my advice is, work properly, earn what you pay, make sure rezeki yg dpt tu halal..most likely you’re just a PAR/N11 grade supporting staff, blaming all other expect urself for ur failure in life, and joining MLM thinking of easy money (then get conned, naturally)..go learn something rather than being so negative, get yourself enrol in college or somthing, then if u hate the gov so much, quit ur job, go to the private sector, in which u will excel if ur perform well…or better still…open ur own business..once ur rich, u can go buy whatever damm car u want..
chap, betul ckp adi tu, kenapa nak sedih plak?? nanti ko jgk susah nak buat loan dgn kerajaan.. unless u eat gov money.. hahaha
adi, ko kerja dgn gov tapi nak kutuk gov? tak sedar ke gaji ko tu pun dpt dari gov? apsal tak kerja swasta je?
BLR takde kena mengena dgn Hire-Purchase rate utk beli kereta. mana ada BLR-2.1 or whatsoever utk beli kereta. gov tak dpt untung secara direct dari bank interest. gov hanya kutip tax. kecuali kalau gov ada share dalam bank tertentu.
cukuplah tu, ni bukan blog politik.
This waja-lancer model tuned by Lotus handling? It’s like rojak, literary. Delicious or not would be known in a short time.
The ultimate question for me would be:”why can’t waja produce something different?! Rebatch-ing mitsubishi like how Perodua rebatch-ing daihatsu.
Seriously uninspiring.
u know what is gonna be selling like hotcakes due to this? Mitsu-evo grille n badge kit to replace on the waja grille.
nah, lotus badge !!!
tahniah proton…sbb slama 25 tahun nie…ni ler kijenye…copy…rebrand jer design org lain….bila nak maju klu gini…….
At todays level of economy…It’s all about business mate (a.k.a making money)…like it or not you have to get used to it..
as expected, basher will twist their word to bash proton….when proton produce their own design this basher will say why waste money to do own design then later when proton rebadge other car they say Proton out of idea to design car pulak…all i can say this basher have empty mind and only know how to bash…plus they are the master of “putar alam” in the cyber world. i salute you all lah…
This are just new business strategy that proton implemented…C/D segment car have high development cost and longer ROI period hence have very high risk plus Malaysian market its not big enough. so its not feasible for proton to develop new waja from scratch…so they decide to rebadge.. to capture this small market…. Proton will continue to develop their own design for savvy replacement, Saga replacement, persona replacement, and exora replacement that have bigger market and more easy to penetrate not only at malaysia but also the Asia market like china and india… which i believe a very good decision made by proton management.
The “Walcer” !
If its price at above 85k, people would rather buy 1.5 japanese Honda City or Toyota Vios !
ya… bank interest 2.98% only!!!
i prefer c segment car rather than light sampan b segment ones!
i think this is a very good step taken by proton..if the car is 100% made by proton, people will not choose it because they have other option like city n vios which most malaysian think the best car in its class. that’s why, proton opt to rebadge the mitsu lancer so people can think twice before they buy their car. at least the engine, the body and few more parts are coming from mitsu.
Proton make thid new waja to fight in same class with civic and current lancer and even altis.. so this will not effect proton, coz compare to civic and altis, this car is RM40k cheaper… and for vios and city.. sorry to say…they just a small little tiny car… Proton already have a product to fight with this two little car… They have Gen2 and Persona.. which is proven more popular than little vios…. But i like Honda city… May be if people don’t want this waja will buy City, but not Vios… Coz City is much better than Vios… i’ve drive both city and vios…. and i like City more than vios…
sigh!!
finally, proton did rebadge lancer for the third time.
first was Saga (on Lancer F in 1982), second was Wira (Lancer 92) and now.
i would be proud if this is a collaboration between proton and Mitsu but sadly, proton managed to engineer the badge. but who knows, i may buy the 1.6 CPS manual – should there be any and priced at 60K! thee hee he.
selamat hari raya to all!
one of my friend has sell his Lancer and buy Honda Civic..hehehehe
wondering who bought from him ?????
Rich noob?
Insult to current Mitsubishi owners. Does Mitsubishi knows what is brand loyalty? Mitsubishi Lancer is just not just a model, its a cult model, now its just another model that looks like a proton. Im not a Lancer owner but i can feel the disappointment Lancer owner is. Lancer have a distinct look, feel and image that current owners look for, imagine those features are being contaminated by another – legally. What a shame. Really shame.
LOL cult car?
Pls la, dont perasan, its just another jap econo box saloon.
Haha, love it. and they paid RM 120k haha……tu la, buy jap trash lagi
Vios J automatic is just around rm75k with one airbag. Waja wants to compete, better be <70k for basic specs with one airbag. The top spec better be cheaper than Vios E. Reliability x 3. Resale value x 1.5
wait till u drive a vios for balik kampung events on windy roads and you will know why waja is much much is better
Persona even better than vios…
Vios J interior not nice looks cheap!!! I went to c already, then end up with alza…..
This is totally shit, i can’t believe proton make such a move to rebadge it’s waja
crucify proton please
if cheap & lower bank loan interest… No big deal….. most Malaysian r not rich!!! but want a bigger & comfort car…..
I see so many basher here…what’s wrong with Proton rebadging?? P2 has this formula all the while and as someone else pointed out, other car manufacturer also do the same. In fact, this is what Proton should be from day 1. Re-badging and just provide the assembly line for other cars. Instead because of over ambitions, the rakyat has to bear the brunt of the Proton failure including CAMPRO…and engine which sucks fuel. P2 has been rebadging since day 1 and nobody complains?
IMO, Proton cars are a hell lot better than P2 cars. I have both a Proton and P2 cars. And i’ll never buy a P2 car again…pales in comparison to Proton, only good point it’s a lot more fuel efficient than CAMPRO based cars.
A mitsu Lancer with Lotus R&H AND NO CAMPRO INSIDE. I’m sold!
Hey please don’t use the name Waja Lancer or Waja Lancar or Waja Sinari; you know Chinese will start teasing it: Waja Lancer = Waja Lanciao or wa te lan ciao. Ha ha. Use more European namelah.
guys n gals,pls have an open mind in this issue, depend on how you all look at from
which prespective,love it or hate it. DON’T simply bashlah!
And people who hate proton will call it waja lan sai.
wonder what the name will be, hmmm……hopefully not waja, i desperately wanna get over the dark age! Proton Satu? As in satu lancer, dua badges….lol , just kidding yah,dun ISA me! any good suggestions?
i can tell from its tyres, its definitely at most 1.6 cps.
with that small tyres, probably not suitable to handle 1.8
im just saying..
Did you know that the Nissan Sylphy with a 2.0 engine only comes with 15″ wheels as standard?
big engines can handle small wheels.
small engines not easy to handle big wheels.
Really Malaysia spirit. Copy bulat bulat. Malaysia memang BOLEH!
did we all know that new gen Mitsubishi Delica (a van) share same platform as lancer it is call Mitsubishi Delica D5…beautiful for van
Rebadging is not something new in automotive industry. In fact, famous carmakers and even the Japs do rebadge as well once in a while. In other words, rebadging is not wrong at all; it is just living by solely rebadging that we should consider as wrong.
One good thing about rebadging is the interchangeability of spare parts. Lancer users may use Proton parts and vice versa. However, Malaysian carmakers should not live by merely rebadging without any initiative to design their own cars. Even certain Toyota models are designed by Indonesians; but still, most carmakers in Malaysia only know to rebadge without even knowledge to design by themselves. That is a shame. We’ve been 25 years in the automotive industry. Perodua Nautica is even worse; that car is essentially a made-in-Japan second generation Daihatsu Terios with a Perodua badge. No wonder it is so rare to find even one on Malaysian roads.
with a damn high price tag..
what does proton engineers do these few years? are they too busy to design a brand new WAJA ? Waja existed since 2000 and yet, still need to rebadge.
kenapa selalu engineer yang salah? they same cari makan & ambil gaji kecil!!!
make it simple lah, keep the existing Mit Lancer hardware and just change the badge to proton, paste logo “Licensed by Mitsubishi & Tuned By Lotus”, and sell the car below rm90k. you can beat the city/vios market and sell like hot cakes!! (but if P1 doesn’t modify the car, how could P1 create new jobs and answer to the G)
1996 hv Proton Wira 1.8 m (72 k),,,2010 Proton P390A..1.8 ~2.0 (70 ~80 k)
is ok to re-badge….but as a new model….now suddenly lancer become waja…. wat’s next?? grandis become exora….galant becom perdana…..
camry or accord become Perdana, FT-86 become Satria neo better!!! Sure buy!!!
i think the right one is exora becomes grandis..
This rebadging makes financial sense especially if Proton is saving its resources for R&D into future platforms and vehicles. This kind of rebadging is just for the interim to keep market presence. If this is not done, people will complain that it’s like the old days where the models are sold forever.
As for those hoping to buy one to convert into an Evo…. good luck. Govt is banning import of used parts next year. That means no more half cuts.
I agree, because it seems that the more recent Proton models will have shorter production life span compared with their predecessors. The cost of an R&D process for a completely new model is very expensive, and a carmaker may not be able to make money if it makes only a model for a very limited time from that R&D. That’s why platform sharing and rebadging are normal practices even among famous carmakers to save costs.
If the news about the ban of used parts next year is true, then the new era for the new Wajalution will be short-lived.
It is a good sign. We do not want our country become scrap yards. I am sure the new parts will become competitive and we got better safety in future.
Not all used parts are dangerous. If you’re buying used tyres, brake discs and brake pads then yes, those are dangerous and you’re just plain dumb to do it.
There are a lot of scrap yards in UK and even Korea selling good used parts like wing mirrors, door handles, dashboards, seats etc etc. These are parts that CAN safely be reused and will be a waste if they’re not recycled. Plus, it lowers the ownership cost of a car if you have the option of buying good used parts.
aku berbangga dgn ko, harap2 org lain boleh bukak mata dari asyik ditipu gov, tapi biasalah ada segelinter still buta dalam terang…takleh nk buat camner dah hati dah gelap
ko pun dah kena tipu.. hati batu.. tunjuk jari kat orng 4 jarin tunjuk kat diri sendiri..
i don’t care what other people says….as long as i can get cheap lancer……..wahahaha
A big disappointment for malaysian, waited for more than 2 years juz to see a rebadged car.
What are you talking about? Membuat layang-layang ke ni?
why should i disappointed…a lot gonna happy with this compared to the one objected to it
nraj
u want a proton non-rebadged car??
just wait for nexyt persona R or EMAS
or get a persona, saga, exora
what’s a problem??
A lot of current Mitsu Lancer owner here. I pity you guys. Lets just sell yours to me half price..will you?
at least its better than waiting another several years for Persona replacement and EMAS.
I don’t know about u, but a rebadged of lancer what exactly malaysian want anyway.
of course, Malaysian like to complain about everything :/
yup!! better to produce cars which can sell like hot cakes, and not investing millions but still hard to sell.
I think all this is CRAPS…… i know with this model, Proton will most probaly will rebounce from the bad sales (lost to Perodua)…. but for all the current Mitsubishi Lancer GT owner,… this is killing their car value directly. Is not fair for all Lancer owner…. Remember the old time story, Kia bring in Carnival…… sell over 100K++….. once Naza bring same car…. same spec…. just badge and name change to RIA…. the price of the Carnival drop like no body business… all Carnival owner is cry with no tears :( Hopefully this Waja replacement will not have to the same effect. :(
Sad for the ‘REAL’ lancer owner :(
p1 salah, p2 salah, toyota salah..sume salah..aparaa..pls read more intelligent comments from persons such as ‘Dtg’ and stop bashing around..a lot of us are mocking ourself for theri own stupidity and ignorance,.
I’m surprised so many people here are talking about suspension, handling and whatnots…
… I just want a Proton car to have reliable power windows!
not that the actual Lancer looks good anyway. Piece of eggthwarts designing piece of ugly comical things like those would easily impress the Ah Bengs.
For Proton, all roads lead back to Mitsubishi.
Yahoo! Rebadged is good! Cheap! C’mon, some of you choose taiwan/china spare parts instead of originals on whatever car you are driving now. It’s all about cost
Some of the original parts may have been made in China in the first place.
best nyer… huhu thumbs up proton.. u give us chance to drive lancer replica with good handling better than the original one.. credit to proton..
Kesian to those who bought a real lancer….
After Proton launch their “lancer”, MAlaysia probably will be the first country in the world that has the most “Lancer” car per square kilometre.
To Brother Accesories shops in MAlaysia, please start making Lancer Evo “bolikit” now…..Anticipate there will be great demand…..
hai all P2/T/H salesman, sudah tergugat kah…soon you all no more king of the road…hohohohohoh…katak myvi akan terlompat2 terkejut wajalancer sergah dari belakang…si dugong pula kecut perot sampai terberak2 atas jalan sbb nak kejar wajalancer
aku yang bawak waja campro pun kena banyak saman sebab speeding… kalau lancer ni, tatau la.. tetiap bulan kena saman la kot…
Guys, other cars in the same category..even from the T&H brands are much cheaper minus the protectionist tax as well as exorbitant profit made by the importers. Our local Proton have been overpricing their cars with inferior parts and we are their guinea pigs.
Why can’t Proton sell decent quality cars for their OWN rakyat and stop telling customers’ “Biasalah Proton” when something fails. Such mind set will never take Proton far, shameless “tidak apa” attitude.
No it’s not. Feature wise you get more for your money from a Proton High-Line. Don’t forget, even Proton cars are taxed. Remove the tax and still they’re cheaper.
WHAT?? SAME CATEGORY WITH CHEAPER PRICE??? DID CIVIC CHEAPER THAN 100k??? THIS IS NOT THE SAME CATEGERY WITH DUGONG OR CITY LA…. THIS IS THE SAME CLASS WITH CIVIC AND CURRENT LANCER, AND EVEN ALTIS..
This move will surely hurt most of the mit. lancer gt owner.
80K++ is too expensive……………
How many Ah Beng, Ah Mat working in kilang afford this??
haish… who said this is for kilang guy..?
do you think there’s 30-years loan to buy car? go buy viva or saga, enough already.
This move either makes :-
A. The new Lancer buyers really DUMB cause in a few months time, they would have essentially a very similar car (in and out) but with significantly lower cost rebadged as Proton.
B. For those willing to wait for the new waja really SMART because of what happens to situation A.
or both….
It is these two groups of consumers that make PROTON the way it is and will be – INCOMPETENTLY CAPABLE TO MAKE ANYTHING ORIGINAL. Alas what started 25 years ago as the first national carmaker and first national car; PROTON turned from the pride of the nation (for the first 2-3 years) to the CURSE of the nation. (because of PROTON, we see the birth of APs, higher import duty taxes and all other form of creative taxation, and burdened financial clout on consumers).
Screw if the car is a re-badged Mitsubishi or whatsoever. We will still buy it anyway. Suka tak suka, if the price is right and the car fits well to our needs, we will buy it. Yes its a rebadged Mitsu, and Perodua’s are rebadged Daihatsu’s but it does serve our financial purpose. Unless we’re like Jeremy Clarkson bashing up a Kelisa just coz he goes for the Benley’s doesn mean we have the means to do that. Cmon guys. If this is a good buy, why not? The price and engine capacity would play a big part. Be proud to own a so called Lancer for the price of the Waja(IMHO). Lets hope it’s a 1.6 selling about 60k plus or below. Then we all get a chance to own something of better quality from the national brand right?
Just worry by the time tis lancer is selling like hot cakes at rm65000, Proton starts to become arrogant again like in 1980’s (treating us like pengemis). And starts to increase the price by 20%. Remember the time Wira was sold at rm60k? If this is a good starting point, then Proton should keep on improving to regain rakyat’s confidence.
To Adi..
As much as you want to denied the fact, there are good things that the government has done to the people / country. Don’t you just focus on matter that you perceived incorrect. I second CHAP_DE_X. Clearly, you are not the type of government officer / staff that the government want in its service either. Running a country is not like running a goreng pisang stall.
Your information is misleading and malicious. There are ways for you to voice out your opinion, with dignity and respect to others. but not thru bashing and hearsay. Be courteous in voicing your opinion rather than harsh and blind bashing. That’s not the right way to get your idea across to others.
If you have any self respect, i believe that government post wasn’t meant for you coz you only know how to nag to get things your ways rather finding the solutions. You have only yourself to blame if you can’t afford to purchase your dream car. Don’t pass the bulk to others and pretend that you’re a victim here and try to act heroic by disclosing the information that you think you know better. You only knew 0.01% of the whole things and talk as if you’re the representative of Tan Sri Zetty from Bank Negara.
Sometimes, its better to be silent on things that we don’t know for a fact rather blew up the trumpet and show to the world, how stupid we are.
Now at least we know what happened to the previous supposedly agreement between P and Bm..which ended up between P and M..there’s pros and cons over here..pros P don’t have to invest so much on R&D (in which i felt P never did) and cons pity those M’s owners..anyway don’t think P care as well..if P really invested on new Waja then i don’t think Emas will ever come out..
Think back it’s like Wira…almost the same shell but different engine..and worse still wira selling like hot cakes..maybe that’s what we called “experience”..tried it and got lucky and retrying it again..
Just that there’s no rooms for improvement in P..always the same car…same style just different design..look at Satria & Neo, Gen2 & Persona??..
Moral of the story = lucily i din’t buy Lancer..
I’m just thinking about to get a vios or city or even forte. Looks like i’ve got to wait for next month. Dont get me wrong guys,i’m a wira owner,i’m pretty tired and sick with all the problems i get but i really have faith in proton. If the pricing is right,and the spec is good. I’ll get it definately.
Btw,do you guys think that proton this car’s price tag around 65-75k? Assuming its a 1.6 or 1.8 liter engine? I dont expect proton to develop a 2.0 CPS engine or using the current lancer’s engine.
it’s 1.8 – 2.0 mitsu engine la…
and probably.. price is between 75-100k depending on engine.
proton is growing up. the decision to re badge that they are taking is one concern with growing the company. it cost millions to develop a new model. its makes more economic sense to focus on one project well(i.e.persona exora phoenix), then try and be a jack of all trades and master of none. besides, basher and supporters alike will eventually be flocking to get themselves what is in essence, a Japanese if i may say “luxury” car at Malaysian prices which means regardless of what you think proton has achieved their target of launching a product that people will actually buy. kudos to proton for moving towards a better future.
Stop bashing proton lah..rebadge this and that toyota did the same to boost their sale indirectly please lah, I think this is a good move by proton. Jimat R&D Cost JIMAT NI SEMUA JIMAT TUKAR LOGO SAJA hahahahaha I will get one of this machine who care about those who bought lancer. They got money so it is fine, how about those who cant afford? Change their wira and waja engine to mitsu engine and put body kit to resemble evo? waste of money! proton move are smart ! they are actually letting rakyat to use this kind of car. Go Proton!
If dun have money, dun manufacture car la.. just sell other country car is enough and the most important is cancel the TAX TAX TAX.
yes its a CAR!! = )
It is a win win situation for Proton and Mitsu. All car manufacturers do the same thing. Proton gets Lancer and Mitsu gets Exora and Persona.
agree with malaysia memang boleh… MMC got Exora, Persona, Campro engine… Proton gets the Lancer chassis only.. 3 vs 1.. thats a tough call.. but its up to you to think it.. thats my point of view.. i am not bashing anyone..
nope, mitsu is not taking campro engine. Exora and Persona would be equipped with Mitsu engines for sale in south america.
fair what. p got lancer platform+engine, m got exora+persona platform without engine. if price slightly under 70k for base model, sure booking one la..hahaha
hahaha…p2 slalu kene kutuk ngan p1 fans aka salesman sebab p2 copy n paste jepun… skrg p1 copycat jugak…. hahahaha.. pasni perdana plak … amek VW passat…
Let Proton install Power Windows that function properly, along with quality parts such as door rubbers etc…. Only then will I seriously consider any of their other more high-tech “improvements” like suspension etc.
aiyoo..
still power window story ka? sudah BASI la bro
Well, the story may be stale, but the problem is still very real and present in Proton vehicles…
if your car is an old proton car, for sure the problem continues. just scrap it and the problem will go away. i’m driving a 2007 satria neo, got no issues what so ever.
To sustain in car business, we have to follow the leader as a best way. buat design merapu2 pun belum tentu org terima. yg penting low budget /maintenance..pasal yg nak pakai majoriti yg gaji ngam2 cukup makan dan pertengahan.ckp besar,komen itu ini..baik u all beli BMW/Merc/Lambo/Porche..yg bad komen ni last2 pakai jugak,kalau beli BMW 2nd hand pun larat ka maintain. But, for Proton jgn la kedekut ABS-EBD-Brake assist.Ini dah thn 2010 la bro!! All the best, janji Proton ada kereta baru..WAJALUTION II..yes!!
Die ni bukan kakitangan kerajaan sebb kakitangan kerajaan sbnr ada etika, tidak sbrgn dedah maklumat di blog2, tak sebodoh mamat ini buat fitnah. Simply link everything to politicals action..
I bet u this guy kakitangan Politik Pembangkang..terlepas masuk. sini.
damm..
wait n see how’s this new Waja would be..
right price n specs will raise selling like hot cakes..otherwise..Proton i’ll learn a lesson again..perhaps..
a big “in your face” to kiasu mitsu lancer owners. lol!
yippee, 2011 malaysia will have plenty of evo x running around.
good job proton. this car will really sell well. only need to buck up on delivery period.
syabas.
i think it’s no use for you all keep commenting on proton or tax because all the comments bukannya sampai ke Proton CEO or PM.. For me, don’t care whether re-badge or not, as long as the quality and price is right, don’t mind getting one for myself.. what matter is company that produce cars that suit customers’ taste… WINS… regardless what brand pun..
Can see alot people don’t understand the meaning of rebadge. Just bash Proton without using their GOD given brain to think first.
I have seen few comments and especially from DtG. Well said. Nowadays alot of car manufacturers are rebadging cars from another manufacturers. Why? To keep competitive in the market without spending more money on R&D.
Kudos to Proton for producing Savvy, Exora and Gen2 platform. Mitsubishi wiling to let go one of their best selling chassis in exchange for the Exora & Gen2 platforms. That means Proton is doing something right.
Unlike Perodua which is i would rightly say 100% copy cat company as they never produce their own platform. Relies heavily on Daihatsu & Toyota to give them the platforms.
I believed Proton will develop another new platform but that will cost quite alot. We just wait and see till the new Persona replacement and our first Hybrid car to come out. Definitely few car manufacturers would be knocking Proton’s door to get the platform and in return trade their platforms as well :)
I would like to consider this new Waja as my second car if the price is right and has value for money :)
weee huuu…!!!! one day out of showroom, straight into halfcut, hello evo x…even the colour fits..Thank you Proton…finally you did something right for the masses…congratz!
Pity for you guys(lancer’s owner)..soon there will be more “lancer GT” and “EVO XI”(for sure because i bet these kind of people is more extremist like what happened to “myvi Passo”).Proton make their own decision and lancer’s owner get the concequences.
no hatchback version?should try to come out with one like the gen2 n persona….since there’s already a hatchback version of lancer….
youngster like hatchback!!!so I am…XD
The be honest im a huge fan of PROTON coz Im Malaysian!!!I totally appreciated since proton introduced a 100% new model like Waja and so on after that.No more copyright from Mitsubishi model such as Waja,Pesona,Gen-2,Savvy,Neo,Saga…and all the models i can rate it 7/10.Im proud to be a Malaysian that time.Compare to Perodua,u can see the sales of Perodua slightly high that the Proton due to ‘photostat’ back Daihatsu model.Memang la senang!!!Just take any chasis,buy the model and then sell back put the Perodua logo.That is call Malaysia made???Even the sales of Proton was not beating the sales of Perodua in almost 4 years time,I respect Proton coz they dare to change.They make a 100% new chasis and design somemore they build their own engine Campro and improve time by time.BUT…………….after they announced for new replacement model for Waja,IM TOTALLY DISAPPOINTED!!!Where is Malaysian proud anymore.Do you want to be like Naza and Perodua???Just photostat for new model???To be honest, u can copy the design like maybe 50%,but now we can see u copy the design almost 100%!!!This is call Malaysia Boleh???To win back the market, is not about u be like the past or u be like others.Its about YOURSELF.Think…
maybe this will make you proud:
Youngman (china) rebadge Proton’s Gen 2
Youngman ask Proton to develop SUV based on Exora Platform
Mitsubishi will take Exora, rebadge as Mitsu
Mitsubishi will take Persona, rebadge as Mitsu…
enough?
cmon..do u understand the word rebadge itself? its not copying or cloning or whatever word synonim u want to use it. its a thing u do for saving ur capital in short period of time for proton. Naza is not a manufacturer of car so how come they can copy others product like Kia or even copy about 50%? or 70%? the assembler is an assembler n let themselves be happy as they are n we should understand y proton do this n how mitsu do this also. but wondering after mitsu rebadge persona & exora, i bet it be more beautiful compared to ours now.
nice car….i want one as well
You work with gorv. doesn’t mean that you know everything about its policy. We as Malaysian also belong to this country and deserve the benefit from its policy. BLR is not only something to do with happy go lucky policy. Everybody seems to see our BLR is high wthout knowing developed countries have even higher interest rate, this shows a sign of stronger economy. I am sure if the car purchase index become lower, the manufactures and their dealers will offer other incentive to make your purchase affordable. Past records had shown that.
When Proton made losses in the past, everybody condempt, and when they make money, we also complain for putting the price high (eventhough their price is lowest in the market). When Proton decided on short cut business plan for such model, people also complaining as copy cat company. I think this is a smart move from Proton to stay afloat and not wasting their money and resources on R&D at the moment. Capture the market when it is still hot and spend some of their efforts in expending their design on other segment that they know best. Gorv. for sure will look into the car industry for better benefit when Proton keep on making money.
what rubbish are you talking about. Please do some indepth study before commenting on this issue. Perhaps you hv worked too long with the govet, ot you are a Proton employee
Let me tell you this…. At the end of the day, everybody just want an affordable quality car and not the existing craps by Proton today. So, a rebadge of the popular Lancer is actually a right direction. (Provided they price it affordably)
Economics lessons a side, most people just bash Proton because they are just so frustrated of Proton for producing sub-standard cars. Coupled with the high taxes, it indirectly forces people to purchase a crap Proton. Come on, Malaysians deserve better cars. What is pride if compare to the pleasure of owning your favourite car at affordable price.
i dont have any problem with proton….u got money buy other brand than proton…it’s simple dude…get a life loser….hehehe
Have you tried the new Protons? The ones that are made under DSZ’s helm?
no not yet i only know T and H because my father told me to buy only that cars and to get rid of any protons. one day a persona smoked my beloved civic on half circle shaped highway with 90kmh , really stable and i know now a proton is not a joke, i regret to buy a civic
the new protons? they suck just as much… eg IAFM .. cannot even last 2 months. queue for spare parts.. another 2 months… nuff said. only the owners will know.
Well I’ve got friends who are owning IAFM Persona & Saga. No problems whatsoever. Are you sure or not?
terharu…
“(even though their price is lowest in the market). ….. ” sure dude? I got mine F.O.C. Only dumbass buy lowest priced cars in the market. See the problem here dude?
Gov + Proton = exclusive and displacement of competitors.
If Proton is just Proton alone, I’m sure it will command lots of respect from people for giving us affordable transport for the last 25 years.
Lancer is already the most successful halo model…
and now with this, it is the most successful halo halo model…
hahahaha….
any idea when it will be available in showroom for test drive?
any idea what P390A stands for??
it just a code~
my fren just sold his lancer,afraid the market of mits lancer will drop..huhu
Does your friend using the car for the sake of market price or for the real benefit out of the car? The reason “market of mits lancer will drop” is just another reason for him to sell off the Lancer. If he is a person who goes for the quality and performance of the car, he should not sell but drive it proudly….
the next step is for Proton to rebadge EVO X.
A rumours from the proton staff that this “wajalution” is offering the mitsubishi engine for first 100 units. Sure the sales for Lancer will drop drastically and even the current owner might thinking to sell the car……it is really an embarrassment while driving a Lancer stoping side by side with the “wajalution”.
WAJA was a very nice model when its first comes out~ euro feel~ crystal bright head lamp~ that was about 7-8 years ago~ and the audio control on the steering wheel was consider at the advance design in its class at that time~~
I was expecting more variant of the waja would comes out, such as hatch back, 2 door or wagon version~~
but then later on…suddenly proton come out a GENERATION 2 the Gen2, to wat? to give a Proton a new life? the segment so close or its the same as waja~~
then i felt waja was being dump aside~ in fact, it is~~
so now ~ as the replacement model of waja~ just use the lancer shell~~
can anyone tell me while the waja was already exist, why the Gen2 still comes out?
waja – sedan
gen2 – hatchback
so simple
Gen2 was supposed to replace Wira. The packaging was wrong. Lack of QC. Disaster.
Waja was targeted at family men/executives. Gen2 was targeted at young men.
I think that kind a strategy is wrong. They should both appeal to wide audience. Let the buyer decide which one to choose.
waja – sedan
gen2 – hatchback
so simple
Tgh tunggu exora turbo
i think the price is at low 70s, and very good enough if pricet at higher 60.
this is normal, most of car brands do this exchange/rebadge thingy…, proton helps lancer sales figure and mmc helps proton market theirs in not-so-hi tech countries to sell proton cars under 3 diamond logo .. (i.e. Persona n exora),
Proton would gain new knowledge of cvt (chain type) tranny n pedal shifter n also true valve lift+VVT tech, mmc would gain RnH, although they already hv good suspension setup such as super AYC in the evo… But cost a lot
Etc, etc
thank you proton,
can buy cheaper japanese car with better engine, n pls a manual box..
i think its at mid or higher 60s for 1.8 manual
y can’t Proton rebadge? standard what… u so rich to develop all model urself meh?
btw, now its totally different Proton co. I guess lots of development going on it there. let list.
1. EMAS
2. Persona Replacement
3. Turbocharged engine.
4. This rebadged Waja/impian
To keep the money coming in to develop the other model, it is normal for Proton to take the marketing opinion and rebadge another mitsu. Even if original Mitsu is not so hot selling here, ppl still looking forward for a cheap mistu.
MMC also quite on the hot track launching model after model in Malaysia to keep them afloat here in Malaysia so selling a rebadge Lancer is like what Proton do with selling rebadged Proton as Youngman in China.
engine 1.8l from GTi. easy to maintain and cheap too..
getting the best from both world..handling by lotus..engine and gearbox by mmc..nice
Why Proton only rebagde Lancer, can they rebadge BMW or Ferrari then I can afford to buy.
Rebadging is not isolated case for Proton BUT the industry’s practice. Only idiot think that this exercise is unpatriotic, or whatever. We’re talking about economies of scale. Before talk nonsense over your PC’s keyboard please equipped yourself fact about this immensely competitive industry.
Smart move from Proton as user will benefit from this effort. God willing this car will priced starting from RM80k+. Not bad, huh?
i agree that rebadging is the norm these days. even toyota and mitsubishi have active programmes with european brands to rebadge.
but at least, proton should make it difficult for the wannabes to change the new waja back to be a lancer. why couldn’t they change the whole front and rear? they changed the whole front, rear and dashboard of the 1st gen saga and dashboard and rear of the wira. at least the new waja should have its own identity rather than selling on the strength of the donor model.
my gut feel is, proton does not want to make it look too different from the lancer because of:
1) they do not have the brand strength to look like a proton and get the sales.
2) they want to sell it as a cut price mitsubishi. this is what all salesmen have probably been trained to say… it is a mitsubishi.
3) they are thinking of profits only (who isn’t) and not their own brand name. can’t their marketing and pr departments sell the car on it’s own strengths? why leverage on mitsubishi. this is lazy but sadly, the best course that proton can take to maximise profits.
to me, it is a disappointing event and the proton should be a proton… regardless of whether or not they use other platforms. they can use platforms or even do rebagding but at least, have some pride in the own brand.
haaa…. haaaa…. Ramai yg bengkek sama Proton.
Congrat to PROTON & DSZ .
You all betul 2 cemerlang .
Biarkan Yg Lain TERLENTANG .
Aku beli keto ni nanti .
Haha, not know what to say already !! This car will last for another 25 years !!
For me it is not really on disappointment. I just judged base on facts and I think most Malaysian also did that. If Proton can come out with really quality products, I mean really quality products, I think most Malaysian will not care so much about whether it is re-badged or not.
Malaysian so disappointment because Proton doing business not so sincere; I own 2 Proton(Wira and Waja) both of them almost 10 years old. Both of them give me a tons of quality problem:- Fuel pump problem, power window problem, door handle problem, Audio player problem, body rust from inside out and much much more. Even I myself can be mechanic already, I know how to dissemble and fix a lot of this problems.
To be shame of are the heard of the both cars, the engine which is form Mitsubishi and this never fail me at all. Until today both of them are running very well.
In short if Proton really come out with really quality product and responsible for what the issues with the cars and treat us well and not like dumb Malaysian, I will still support Proton, after all a car is a car which bring you from point A to point B.
proton “kipas susah mati” swallow back ur curse about p2 whos just have copycat model….
Proud to have non copycat model : Saga Campro
Kesian..jangan jadi seorang rakyat berfikiran sempit..
sekarang ni projek tak semestinya dari kerajaan, tapi banyak Private Funding Initiative..
Company swasta yang punyai dana akan buat projek dengan duit mereka sendiri, kemudian mereka kutip sewa/tol dari rakyat, kerajaan hanya beri kelulusan sahaja.
Sedarlah dari tidur..
I’m excited about this! Hope they’ll price the manual 1.8 between rm70-80k.
proton should not be happy with this new waja. alll cdredits must go to mitsubishi..
proton doesnt have own idea to create such a design.
proton should nt be proud but to be asshamed.
try to b e creative.
proton as a malaysian car maker must come with new ideas on making new design of cars.
They’ve got the Persona, they’ve got the Exora, they’ve got the Saga. All are designed by Proton. Yet you blame Proton when they rebadge this car? It’s not like EVERY MALAYSIAN is buying Proton & only Proton so that the company is flush with money to spend on designing every car by themselves willy nilly. When Proton lose money make noise, when Proton save money also make noise.
Think before you talk.
when they try to be creative with gen-2, persona and saga ppl bash also…
then how?
proton not have 2 b proud or shame….proton just have to make RM….lol,later…proud
What the hell man…..The price is to expensive …….Why???? Cause proton has to pay copy- right to Mitsubishi which makes the car expensive……..
original is Lancer, Mitsubishi Lancer
so from proton it will be Lancar.. Proton Lancar haha!!!
untuk bagi semua rakyat mampu miliki this waja.. proton maybe akan pakai enjin 1.6 CPS Manual dan Auto. Sebab exora yang besar dan berat pun bleh masuk dgn cps 1.6 ini kan pula kereta sedan.. so proton bleh jual dgn harga 60-70K. maybe for premium spec proton will be use 1.8cc auto MMC (4B10) and price around 80K. so rakyat bleh la beli. kalau pasang 2.0 dgn harga around 100K maybe rakyat akan pikir 2 3 kali sebulum beli. tambah plak interest 4.25% ~ 9thn. xbeli kut.. second value lg teruk.. dan owner lancer gt pun tak la hot and spicy sgt sbb diaorg punya keta 2.0 4B11. fare and square..
Malaysia perlu adil… baru la rakyat pangkah.. BN = Bank Negara = BLR Naik =Barang Naik )
I wonder which university are u graduating from? Ooh wait, I’m sure you can’t go to university since this you don’t deserve to pass economics.
People put their money in a country because of interest. When your interest is low, everybody pack their money and walk out of this country. How much money do you save in the bank for our gorv. use?
My meaning was high interest wasn’t referred to a ridiculously high higher purchase interest rate of 8% or so as mentioned above by one of our member.
Where do you think our gorv. keep our EPF money? Low interest rate bank?
BTW, FYI I never enter university, I am a kampung man, only passed std 6.
nothing to be proud of with this model..just typical proton..lol
sure u never drive a lotus r n h tuned protons , shame on u!
Wonder why Mitsubishi sell the new lancer design to proton, this make Lancer seem worthless in Malaysia Market,
they should sell those blueprint of a car that they dun sell in Malaysia to PROTON, like wat Daihatsu did to Perodua,
Daihatsu BOON / Toyota Passo is Perodua MyVi, Daihatsu / Toyota did not sell this model in Malaysia… and this make MyVi Unique…..
Lancer Base Waja make PROTON design engineer a bad name,
on stability and handling side, I agree the suspension tune is very good, drive my friend persona before, but Suspension only play abt 20% of the stability, there are other thing to see also, including ur body design, tyre and rims size and etc.
On performance, CAMPRO is a GOOD engine IF it go for RON97 petrol, my friend did try RON95 in his CAMRPO Persona, 1st and 2nd pump is still look ok but after 3rd pump onward, the car feel underpower, very bad. BTW we try it uphill, on city run still ok.
overall, feel very bad to Mitsubishi LANCER on making the wrong decision on selling the design to PROTON, i think many ppl will buy PROTON WAJA LANCER instead of Mitsubishi LANCER after the car launch….
aiyoh.. u still don’t understand… Boon and Passo oredi in malaysia… But here they called Myvi… Myvi not unique… They don’t sell blueprint to produa.. U know why? becoz Perodua is owned by Daihatsu… More than half of Perodua share is owned by Daihatsu… Same with Boon… Boon also the same with passo… becoz daihatsu is owned by Toyota… Mbe u don’t know this…
That is not a bad decision for mitsu…. Why??? becoz they did’t sell blueprint to Proton, but this is exchanged program… they give lancer design to Proton, and at the same time proton give Exora and Persona design to Mitsubishi for their market in Africa…. so, Proton and mItsu both can save R&D money… Proton will sell lancer as waja here and other Proton market.. and at the same time, mitsubishi will sell Persona and Exora at the other places as mitsubishi car… that is the deal… This is win-win situation..
Malaysia did it again.pity for lancer’s owner.the trend has come again.”Lancer-lution”.sigh*
current lancer owner :(
wanted to be lancer owner :)
proton :p
just like u drive a CBU Peugeot…. U will be more happy… Why?? coz u think the other Peugeot u see on the road is CKD… that make u seronok sangat2… huhu.. believe me… this situation also the same.. When u drive the ori lancer, then u park ur lancer beside the other ori lancer….. still u will think that the other one is waja… and it just lancer wanna be… U will be very happy for that..
A fren’s lancer suspension started to make noise after 3 yrs. After checking in SC, found that the suspension was accumulating water causing rust on some parts. This problem is alo encountered in proton cars too as mentioned by SC. So hopefully the lotus design would be better against water accumulation.
Proton Lancer..can you say, ‘POSER’?
If rebadging can come out something better and more pleasant to the market, why not? Lancer is a very nice model afterall..
the front bumper similar to s40. hmm.
everything is about profit.. if i were to make money by rebadging cars, why not? gaining profit is much more important than building something -like juara- and losing people’s money.. And, it doesn’t look bad anyway!
BTW, Juara was a rebadge of the Mistsubishi Town Box.
Mitsubishi Town Box also sold as Nissan Clipper Rio in Japan.
nampak sangat ko tak belajar Economy. Interest guna untuk apa ya? Bukan reduce inflation ke? Tak ka itu maksudnya the economy is growing? balik sekolah before cakap banyak.
The TV3 news clip says ‘…dengan transmisi auto dan manual’ sounds like a CVT. As opposed to ‘….dengan transmisi auto atau manual’ which would mean that it comes with a Manual or standard Auto setup.
Hope it is not true. There must be a manual version. It’s a Proton for goodness sake! Where else can I get a a new manual 2.0 car with less than RM100k?
no la.. 1.6 CPS Manual and auto.. Done!!
anybody know what is the engine spec/ model
good move proton….. been waiting ages for a another rebadge.
Manual GB also a good move….
I hope they will use 1.8 mivec or 2.0 mivec engines.
I bet when the booking opens there will be a long que….
I bet it will hold good value as well.
MOstly u will get gema engine only cause Mivec is specific for Mitsubishi Car only.
I got friends in proton said price is rm80000
dont worried saiful, no way near 80k, nanti gulong tikar
wei peyno, malaysia gonna flooded with all JDM lancer wannabe. what you have to say about this?no diffrence with perodua la wei. bashing other cut n paste KONON….what goes around comes around…..ludah ke langit kene muka sendiri….prfttttt
hahaha…
p2 ada improvise ride&handling ke?
at least, p360a ni berbeza driving dynamic.
With all the money they got from ripping us using the car tax system, they still resort to rebadging….hopefully it will be around rm60k, just like waja
Just checked out the Mitsubishi Motors’ Malaysian website and did a comparison between the Ex and the GT.
Its just funny when in the specs, under category ‘Performance’ it shows; Min turning radius 5.0m (GT) and 5.7m (Ex). What do they think ‘Performance’ is? How fair we dance around roundabouts? :)
interest 3%?
hot car….shud me more then 4%
4.25% ~ 9tahun
Yes, rebadging is also done by other car manufacturers with their own twists and inputs. BUT mixing the re-badged version with the real deal in 1 market is kinda unfair to those who have forked out their hard-earned money to buy the real deal in the first place. This is made worst when the two brands are not at the same level and don’t compete in a level playing field.
No, i don’t have a lancer GT, cuma gua kesian beb. I would have felt cheated if i did have one.
well.. blame the Mitsubishi then. they just proton the approval for rebadging
yeah..blame those Japanese~ no la..even there’s a lot of pirate evo, it wont be any special than the original 1~
Why not blame proton for lobbying mitsu into the deal when they know many lancer buyers would be effected? Yeah, yeah its business, nothing personal. But thats NOT MY POINT and I’m NOT PLAYING THE BLAME GAME like u r. My point is that its unfortunate that some peoples ‘good news’ is somebody elses misfortune….
strange. mitsubishi does not allow peugeot and citroen to sell the rebadged outlander in malaysia when they themselves don’t even sell the new outlander here.
yet, they do this with proton. come to think of it, the citroen c-crosser and peugeot 4007 have more visual differences to the donor model than this proton. why the double standards mitsubishi?
“”We are now live from Proton’s Centre of ‘Excellence’ for the launch of the ‘all new’ Proton Waja Replacement model, which has been given the nickname Proton Harimau Malaya, for it is the pride of the nation and symbol of domination. This new and latest model from proton is the result of 25 years of collaboration between proton and mitsubishi. Other local companies and research institutes that have participated in the development of this new model include Lotus Formula 1 for handling, Universiti Teknologi Malaysia for styling and Perodua for inspiration and direction. After long delays due to cost cutting measures that were introduced after successive losses by the company, proton has finally set up a special department – department of Quality Control, specifically to oversee the production of this new model at their spacious Tanjung Malim plant as well as the workshops belonging to their suppliers’ suppliers’ supplier. Safety experts from MIROS have certified the new Waja as the safest local car ever produced. This new breakthrough design from proton heralds the carmaker’s comeback to an automative market long dominated by more expensive rivals.””
it’s so funny if you read this out loud, you should listen how you made yourself sounds very dumb and stupid. only clowns do stupid things to make everyone else laugh.
haiyaaa no more half cuts? i want K20 engine for my civic! :D
If the waja is going to be a locally rebadged lancer, then i have to say the quality of the car should a huge leap against the current one. unless the cost cutting measures and/or the interior design is totally different, then it will be ashame really to have all the design specs transfered from the japanese not implimented.
Many will love this new Waja! Who care about what all the proton bashers have to bark about. They hate it because they can’t believe that proton can produce such a beautiful car. What they want to see is Proton to die with hope that when proton does actually go, every Merc and BMW will be as cheap as Perodua Viva! That is their dream and their wish.. so in the mean times, they will drive anything, paying premium price for half baked cars, so long it is not a proton though it may be just as ugly as a bulldog or dynamically as lousy as a coffin. (Have you ever seen a coffin that can take corner fast?) And all pretend to being patriotic by condemning Proton blindly. My challenge is that if you are good than you can make a better car then Proton, then why don’t you be abother Ferruccio Elio Arturo Lamborghini ? Emulate what he has done.. anyone?
Any why no one of you say a word when Mercedes, who have been in car design for hundreds of years, brought Brawn GP and rebadged it MERCEDES GP!!!!!! ha ha ha
Analyse this case study and
1. will you say that Mercedes Benz has committed a sin to all German for rebadging Brawn GP after failing to shine in F1 with own-designed car in 1950’s.?
2. will you say WTF .. after 100 of years still cannot produce own F1?
3. MB is worst than Force India?
4. or rationally, would you say that it is a smart, strategic business move with long term objective which require an instant ‘kick’ to move forward in this competitive world?
F1 car and Car sold in market are totally different story,
can u afford to buy F1 car for ur daily use?
F1 = Motorsport
Normal car eg Waja: Business
The issue is 2 car manufacturers – MB & Proton.. both doing rebadging because, I believe, money reason. Question: why only Proton get bashed?
Your example is superficial. I understand the feeling of proton bashers as they couldn’t get the car that is worth for their hard earned money for 15-20 years. It is understandable. They hate is because of the government policy to protect them but never give their client a satisfactory product and services.
Last time when proton sales was top….a car sales personal said to the client….’Kalau you mau spec berikut (lower spec)…kami tak layan’ …. that was the attitude when proton was ‘king’. But now let the power of the market determine who is the winner.
Maybe you are lucky as never bought a car which has so frequent problems and on top of that ther service center mechanic also don’t know how to fix the problem.
hello potong I nk bli tp enjin + bumper depan x nak bleh?
When perodua rebadge car, ppl make so much noise. But for Proton to rebadge car after so many years is total crap.
And proton is the real copycat. After seeing myvi become so successful after being rebadged from a jap car , now this stupid proton wants to rebadge a jap car to try its luck. See whether can change ppl
Perception towards proton! Total rubbish, what is etched in ppls mind wont change.
It just shows that jap cars are still the most desirable in msia. Try rebadging a kia or hyundai and it wont sell at all. Rebadge a jap mk and it sells like hot cakes.
But pity proton lah, they not only rebadge car but copy perodua business strategy. Failure lah. Only ” you know who” will buy this crap..
proton does not copy perodua business strategy…
initially, proton also rebadge, saga, wira,satria ..all thease are rebadge business..
actually proton is copy most global company business strategy (Daihatsu, Subaru, Nissan etc)… they do rebadge and also homeground model..
perodua business strategy is actually 100% rebadge all their models and they have no own/homeground model… and this kind of business strategy is practiced only in BOLEHLAND.. perodua, DRB hicom, Naza and they are called NATIONAL CAR
prrrrrtfhhhh
I don’t think anyone would want to bash Proton for this. At least it’s not their genuine effort and it can only be a good thing. I’m sure Proton would get an instant success from this model. Finally, a dream come true for all who yearn for an affordable Mitsubishi Lancer. On the othe hand, many existing Lancer owners would be crying seeing their vehicle value depreciating badly….
How I hope the same could be replicated for my dream car, the Volkswagen Golft GTI.
i hope proton rebadge a C class and sell for 50k, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee
Proton is making many people smiling now. Drive a “Lancer Evol” with a cheaper price.
Soon this will become No.1 Ah Beng car in malaysia.
However, in order to sell well it must not priced more than 80K
I don’t think Mitsubishi loses anything over here..
Look around you, how many lancers out there?
Compared to H or T.
Meaning Lancer is not selling well over here.
I don’t have facts but it’s just based on what i have seen on the road so far.
Mitsubishi might as well just agreed on the technology transfer and out they are making tons of profit by “Royalty”.
Imagine 1 car gets minimal 5k (just imagine la), think Mitsu will get alot oso..
Then impose that the new Waja kanot be sold out of Malaysia for ** years.
Mitsu still earning over here.
For example our very own WIRA!!!!…it used to be tons on road previously isn’t it?
cheers.
I am just to sceptic, but anyway for MOST of us middle income earners, these the only choice for them.
many more choice lah.. buy Persona also can, Alza,Accent and many2 more..
Everyones is talking about changing to Mitsu’s bumper….. don’t forget the steering wheels … too. :)
I hope they have enuf spare parts for power window, door handle. They totally immersed into handling only, as always and not into quality.
Since the car is “rebadged”, the quality should be better too. Because weak designs leads to short life span of product. As the parts are designed by Mitsu, i hope the parts will last long compared to our previous P models….
Has anyone realised that this Lancer does come out with a 1.5 model. So don’t be surprised if there is one in the launch… yeah biggest joke is the manual gb is with this engine. hahahaha! and what price at 70 – 80 k?
Oh man, I’ tired of reading comments which really don’t understand the point of Proton rebadging the Lancer. It is all about the cost. To develop a new car cost more money than to rebadge one. Since Waja and to some extend Perdana are low volume models, it is only viable to rebadge. If they waste billions to develop a single model that sell about 500 units per month, can you imagine how long they would take to regain that billions?
If they start to rebadge a Mitsubishi for a Proton Saga, then you guys can bash with a valid point.
depends on your perspective, economically ofcuz everyone knows it’s for the good for both, if it’s not, either party wouldn’t have agreed to do so. creativity and inovative? well, judge yourself :)
Creative & innovations can be applied and seen on the other non-rebadge cars. For a low volume seller, it pays to care about profits. Spend so much money for a car that caters for a niche market and would not bring returns is just a waste! Better use the money to further improve the best sellers they have. Other car companies have done this many, many times with little or no fuss whatsoever.
At least it’s better than 100% rebadge, like some other car companies.
rebadging is nothing wrong, like wat perodua does, but rebadge the same car model that rolling in Malaysia market will look no good,
i see ppl comment already, this car will be Ah Beng car in malaysia..
last time Proton Wira also rebadge fr lancer also, but tat time lancer not in malaysia market yet or not so popular, now lancer sold in malaysia and tis make lancer-waja an ah beng car and mitsubishi lancer an very overprice car,
if PROTON want to rebadge, they should use Perodua marketing strategy, rebadge ONLY the model that not in Malaysia market yet… this make Perodua MYVI unique
if Mitsubishi is okay with it, why would we think otherwise?
And for sure Mitsubishi don’t mind because if they do, they will not agree with it in the first place. I’ve yet to see any statement of disapproval from them except from Malaysian who think they know better.
don’t bother explaining. bashers are not competent readers anyways…
tell them to invest a million if they want proton to produce a brand new car
oppps a billion sorry
might be good if interest is lower than 3% :p by the way, just finish reading all the post. seem like everyone is bashing proton for copycat? how about myvi? i thought its from toyota passo? no? i hope this car specification is attractive enough :)
again, I just repeat my sentence,
‘if PROTON want to rebadge, they should use Perodua marketing strategy, rebadge ONLY the model that not in Malaysia market yet… this make Perodua MYVI unique’
AGREED!!
FYI, T, D & P2 have an agreement that they won’t sell the same model in the same market. for example, in indon, they sell myvi with D emblem and sirion nameplate.
it make perodua myvi unique? there are many on the road nowadays, how unique is that? i dont see any problems with this model. what i concern is the price and quality tho.
I think govt got their money mainly from our national oil n gas company and taxes..not bank interest..=)
For Lancer Owner: You don’t have to worry about your Lancer value, do you think Mitsubishi will give the latest technology to Proton? What Lancer GT is having will be still better than Wajalancer.
Yea agreee..
Mivec will still remained with Mitsu..
Guess Wajalancer will still use back Campro until the turbo comes out.
Then that time we’ll have WajaEvo??
That’s a good start for Proton’s turbo.
Cos Exora turbo won’t make any differences on the turbo itself..cos the body is heavy..
You will only feel significant extra hp if it’s in a lighter body (ie wajalancer or wajaevo).
Maybe that’s why Proton came out with CPS..
For Wajalancer?
BTW, Proton sounded like Protong (i.e Potong)
They have successfully Potong the car although the G doesn’t encourage it anymore..hahahahahaha
oh sure you dun know what is lotus ride n handling, i’m not surprised
bro, just had your wet dream??
what’s inside it will be on Proton, maybe few features will be take out.
4B11 engine with CPS system, anyone? xD
Seriously…if the price around RM80k+ , id rather go for Kia Forte….if the price between RM65k-RM70k…then i will grab it.
if this price, go for forte, or vios or city or mazda 2, better choice, better maintenance, better resale value, peace of mind
this is about the place that u send ur car for maintenance … My house mate change his honda jazz bearing for rm400…. and i change the same thing for my Peugeot for only rm200…
in your wet dream..
you need to let go steam bryan, or else go see Doctor….why always wet dream?
there’s no kia forte in Malaysia, just naza forte.. hehehe..
A friend of a friend of mine with a salary of 3k+ brought Mit. Lancer GT last year and willing to pay 2k+ installment per month leaving him a balance that forces him to eat maggi every day. He doesn’t car as long he got his dream car to show off. Wonder how he would feel right now?
earning 3k+ but paying 2k+ a month for installments? boleh pulak bank approved? but seriously…even i earned triple his salary would think twice to pay 2k+ monthly for a car. i just use MyVi je.
I earned 5.5K a month and currently driving Kancil 660. But i have 500K house
respect
you are the MAN, ROST.. SALUTE
that is the reason why every day 500 people bankrupt, 20+% is credit card, and 20+% is car load.
he feel very proud… because Proton help him to get cheaper spare parts…
I’d laugh at him out loud because he’s an idiot. When you’re a slave to a car you deserve to be laughed at! No wonder more young Malaysians are becoming bankrupt. All style and no substance.
Seriously yo? I believe banks would not approve your loan if the monthly repayment is more than 30% of your monthly gross salary.
excuse me if u know how to calculate properly even if u take 10% loan the installment will not come up to RM2k+ per month…please get ur facts correct and don’t bullshit here
why proton did’t choose lancer fortis?..i think that model is look greater than sporty ‘lancer waja’….hurm
i heard, p1 will rebadge one japanese sedan model exclusively for all ministers to replace perdana.. as for sporty lancer, i think they are aiming for young people.. but maybe old people also will buy this model also la like pisang panas.. PANAS!!!
of course,i think many buyers also change the proton logo into mitsu logo to look more lancer,not waja…haha
to be frank, proton made me lost great desire on lancer
Unless proton and perodua start producing cars in a highly competitve market (lower protectionism eg lower import taxes), there is a low chance they will start producing much better cars than they do right now. It is the same with german and jap manufactuers. They work their ass off to produce better cars than competitors, local and int.
No issue for mitsu owner. This waja model will last for next 10yrs.
By that time, mitsu lancer oledi EVO 13.
I wonder what will happen to the real Mitsubishi Lancer’s value?
“London bridge is falling down, falling down”
I am BEING big fans of Mit. Lancer especially when facelift with shark nose Evo. X front look. Thanks to Paul organize this blogger website to allow me express my feeling to what Proton will do next. First, I must use the word “PITTY” to those 110k over spend Lancer Owner’s and their royalty to follow Mitsubishi product since 2007 (I believe over 5000 unit Lancer GT sold in our country). Of course, Lancer GT second hand price value will drop drastically after this “WAJA” on the sales. I believe, over 70% of our current lancer owner will agree with me that in future regardless of what generation Lancer launched will in Malaysia, they will not confident to buy Lancer anymore coz Potong will slave it become their next product. I agreed with other people comment that posted earlier saying Lancer are not selling good in Malaysia previously, yet consider again our taxation and duty problem that make this car price so expensive.
For sure, Proton sure selling well with this Waja replacement model if selling below 90K. My point here is, can this product after introduced in Malaysia and Mitsubishi still able to survive. I totally disappointed with Mitsubishi Malaysia that allowing Proton to rebadge their current HOTCAKE selling model to Proton.
By the time you’re saying this, Mitsu would already have a better design to serve his customer and preserve his brand.. this is how Wira aka Lancer/MMC born in Malaysia….
agree with you……Mitsu already has newer product la, they are not stupid
Very nice.. I think it’s a win-win situation for both MMC and Proton. Now, Proton can rebadge the Lancer into Waja and MMC can locally produce parts & local assemble their own Lancer through Proton’s existing production hubs, which could bring the price down against their no.1 rival, Civic. Remember MMC’s footprint in Msia has shrunk tremendously since the collboration with Proton, now this is the fastest way they could re-establish their presence in the Malaysian market.
I think ppl shd stop shouting & screaming about “still rebadging” although it may seem that Proton is going backwards.. thats the not the case im afraid, it’s actually a good strategy for automotive industry to keep the cost down and speedy time to market. We have done it ages ago in the 80’s and you can see how many car manufacturers are doing the same thing nowadays. It’s all about keeping the cost down and maximising profit.
re-badging car for a country like us is actually very good, its good in the sense that the company can reduce the cost and whatnot. And for consumers.. we can get the car with less price. remember sorento? it cost around 200k+ when the KIA logo placed on the hood..but it becomes 130k+ when its Nazas…
Country like us where imported brand car is very expensive definitely benefit alot from this as we can eliminate the crazy tax that been imposed to the import car (although its CBU). so now its new lancer turn for proton to re-badge. how much the car now?.. somewhere around 120k…but wit this “new” proton model ..it will cost around 80k (hopefully) so we can now enjoy the “US” priced lancer in our land.
In the down side, it’s actually will damage the value of the original cars and not to mention the heart of the owner.
What they have to do actually is to re-badge this car before it came to our shore (that in case they can see the future). Anyway Good Luck proton for this new model and I hope its gonna generate more profit and profit to their employers as well… ?. As for lancer owner sorry.. this happen to you but decision has been made..take care of the car keep the millage as low as you can so that the value will be at the “highest”.
Cheers…
sory..CKD actually :)
I wonder if this is a worthy replacement for my 08 City. Seems like a very good one to me.
Always like the original lancer but not the tail lights/boot.
What I want to see is what will happen to the other Jap equivalent models e.g Civic.
People who “tasted’ Jap models will not be revert to P UNLESS these new Lancer WAJA’s satisfied his owners in terms of quality, performance, reliability and efficiency… But anyway this model will serve better to their owners as proton has improved the existing Lancer (fine tuned)…
After 25 years,still a copy cat car industry…….Still cant catch up ah? aiyo,how many years of time frame u need,proton? Others copy cat their own pasal la,but u with 25 years of history………..no need turbo campro here and there la…..create ur own car first……….if cannot,mah tutup kedai lo,gomen dont need to subsidies tax payer money for you to copy cat cars,and then sell back to “Rakyat” with “GOOOOOD” price…………Jeremy Clarkson,please take the new Proton WAJA+LANCER=WALAN and humiliate it…….Thanks…..Its not Mitsu fault to sell its model,it is always Proton.
mitsu/proton….who cares??? Im gonna get one if the price is right!!
Ughh… Why not just sell us the Mitsubishi Lancer at its price without the crazy tax
well seems no everyone who happy when the news confirm that the new waja is based on the lancer…
i got this un confirmed info from my sisters …she working in a ministry of…. and they have received some of documentation from proton to declare the new waja price…for those who ask for evidance..sorry i dun have one..just from the source that i believe..
Base model at RM83499…
Hi End model at rm92399..
so..the price is not cheap oso….
The best part of new wajalancer maybe their paddleshift ;-)
dang! diz ride iz da sh!t. gotta get one ma broda.
Stupid rapper like you dont drive a sedan like this , ma broda dang4x
i just wonder how u pronounce that sentence
Ok lah sekurang2nya takde alasan mat jenin mahalel ‘Waja – Asia’s answer to bmw 3-series’ lagi dah.
Number plate belakang at least berbeza letak kat atas bonet belakang (macam Lancer Fortis version), ini sebijik betul macam Lancer luaran 100 percent.
Tak hairan lah lepas nie ada pemilik Mitsu Lancer original mintak gantirugi minimum RM20,000 cash refund dari Mitsubishi Malaysia atau Proton. Dah kereta takde beza dari mata kasar apa salahnya Mitsubishi jual aje model Lancer full CKD unit pada harga RM80,000 juga?
Kalau pun Proton nak rebadge kenalah banayak berbeza design luarannya dari bumper depan ke belakang dan offer enjin 1.6 CPS RM65,000 (sama harga Waja sekarang) untuk halalkan sebab mengapa model rebadge berbaloi untuk Proton dan berbaloi untuk dibeli pada harga murah.
Kalau nak harga murah komponen kena 30% local made.
woww… nice model, almost 100% Mitsubishi Lancer GT, How about suspension? interior material? Engine?…. da*n? why proton just not take and rebadge only without change anything? Price? is it same as Kia Forte? same as imported car? is it worth it to buy this local car instead price almost same with fully imported car?
but nevermind la… this is BOLEHLAND… Merdeka!!!!
Dear normal_user,
People put their money in a country because of interest. When your interest is low, everybody pack their money and walk out of this country. How much money do you save in the bank for our gorv. use?
My meaning was high interest wasn’t referred to a ridiculously high higher purchase interest rate of 8% or so as mentioned above by one of our member.
Where do you think our gorv. keep our EPF money? Low interest rate bank?
BTW, FYI I never enter university, I am a kampung man, only passed std 6.
guys…
my first car is proton wira, and i convert as EVO II, I feel like im driving Mitsu.
My present car now Proton Perdana, I convert as Eterna…
all this because i dream to have mitsubishi long long time ago…. but in fact… i still driving our low cost product which everytime give problem to me….
i have spent most of my salary to maintain this crap product…. if i able to buy this new model, i wont… as long as it came from proton factory.. enough for me…
hahaha…
you convert the car, then you bash it bcoz give u problem…
who’s fault is it? the car? or you?
yes .. i convert my perdana to eterna… why?… becouse Original perdana engine really2 suck, thats why i convert, SC cannot do anything, just change new spare which same quality, ……. power window always problem, odometer & fuel meter kaput,…
mmmmm save money now hehehehe not to buy this wajacer..but to buy EVO10 halfut b4 the price too expensive hehehehe…than buy 2nd wajalancer and transplant….walaaaa no wajavo10…
now need save money to buy EVO10 halfcut hehehe, after 3 year than buy 2nd hand wajalancer…do transplant+Evo10 bodykit…walaaaa now got WAJAVO-10..below 80k….hahha, proton car better buy 2nd if duwan rugi kaw-kaw…
ada keta beli untung ka? common sense.
will the power window and the door lock stay trouble-free this time? heh
C’mon guys…. the new Waja is
England suspension setup (LOTUS) + Japan Body Frame & Design (Mitsu) + Malaysian Price = NEW WAJA
I will be the first to book this car. Of course with Manual hehehe….. No complaint, even though if they still has problem with the power windows +_+
*plzzz don’t critic this new baby, gonna hatch soon, sorrieee if I offend anyone in this blog
protonbasher is now mitsubasher!!! muahahahah
gonna spend my all my 40k savings to mod this new waja kaw2 then tapao all the lancer gt hahaha…go proton go!!!
with this i can tapau even a c class or 3 series , lol
40k cukup tapau everything, i support you
I hope the Waja replacement Lancer will have this Varient: Baseline Manual 1.8: RM 64K, Baseline Auto 1.8: RM 68, Midline Manual 1,8 RM71K, Midline Auto 1,8 RM75k, Highline Auto 2,0 with Paddle shift RM80k
The thing was simple… Proton have spend the money for R&D Exora also new persona, not to mention new engine & powertrain and also EMAS. It’s not wise to spend on new waja platform on this short period… Mitshu have the good platform already & for sure proton will test first if it can be rebage new Waja or not…
Think about how many RM have safe for now on the platform. Even now the best is it tune by Lotus… So think by your self, standard new waja with lotus tune compare with Lancer EX (Mitshu tune). Then we see what target market…
I think all of you proton basher cunt should have a read at this.. Bloody oath proton do some re-badging here and there. But techno-wise, they certainly bloody capable of being on par, if not better compared to other manufacturer.
http://paultan.org/2010/08/04/proton-r3-rally-team-fail-to-convert-pace-into-win-at-the-rally-of-queensland/
This is the fastest way to bring the product to the market without incurring high cost, kinda make business sense. P1 will make more money from the poor rakyat without spending much on R & D, and where is all the R & D funds that the govt. gave them ? Its few hundred millions rakyat money btw.
dunno the signal and wiper control would be continental style or japanese style
SInce this is a Proton, (Malaysian brand)
The cost cannot be more than Kia Forte, Chevrolet Cruze, etc. means must below RM100K.
Anything more than Kia Forte, people will go for Kia Forte. So must be less than Kia Forte, Toyota Vios, Honda city. Eventhough is different segment. I trust people will choose Honda or Toyota over Proton with the same cost. Because is not Proton.
a realistic start up cost will be RM65K above for low spec 1.8 all the way up to RM80K for high spec. 1.8 Auto. Since this is a Mtisubishi Engine 1.8, I trust this is a good bargain. (compare with the available brand in the market in Malaysia)
Look at Persona start up around RM 45K for campro 1.6. So for New Waja, 65K start up should be realistic to remain competitive and to achieve production number.
people get it all wrong.. What they have here is NAZA Forte… If have KIA Forte, also is the same just they called it CKD… but still came from the same NAZA plant here..
How much is this junk cost? What will happen to current/future lancer owner? Should they cancel their Mitsi booking?
Lancer + Waja = Lanja?
More like Wancer…as in Wanker
paul, this Waja-Lancer same as this:
http://media2.paultan.org/i/namakan-proton-sedan-large.jpg
Job “well done” P1~
Masih X tukar concept of rebadging~ =.=
apa salahnya bergaya dengan kos yg rendah..tak kan itu pun jadi masalah…
kecoh betul…kereta import lain di rebranding cuma tukar logo xpulak korang nak bising…hipokrit sungguh..
One question. Will it be FR or FF?
y?
P1 and P2 have always been FF based. If P1 makes this an FR it’ll be a breakthrough for the local auto industry, or will P1 maintain FF on this model?
agree..but if it FR does the engine should have more torque for the pulling power?
if the WanCer got the mitsu hidraulic auto gear trans i must test drive it first.
they said proton get this lancer bcoz they trade it with Gen-2 CPS to mitsu..
really?
is lancer FR available in other region?
lancer FF.
lan evo 4wd.
FF
i think FF simon..
Couldn’t agree more. Let’s wait until the curtain raiser.
to all people who noob about automotive world and bashing p1 without knowing how the business work..plz sell your keyboard and your brain.
what p1 are doing now is good..coz other car manufacturers are doing the same strategy- rebadge.
i hope they can rebadge outlander in the future.
dont live in a cave and come out to shout they never design their own car. instead, go to the side road and wait for a gen2/persona/neo/exora/saga passing in front of you.
the bad thing about p1 i know are the protection they get and the local price..
I will twist my Lancer 2.0GT into scrap immediately very soon. I dun want my love one became public cab or ah beng evo x.
Beng…Lancer already has unsur ahbeng…
You do not own a Lancer I know, you are driving a MyVi. Lancer owner will not speak like your tone
no need la, sell to me, half price.. ok?
Theo!
If u read this then I think its time to update ur rendering!
That white piece of paper really blocking the view…huhuhu
what do you expect? it’s just a logo behind that paper…
Rubbish. Proton just now how to copy.
? what u mean by “just now” how to copy? apa lu cakap?
yes, naza, perodua and all moto cmpny,
What an ugly front grille. Go find a better one please
SOrry for to slow… also using mitsubishi engine? i tot proton got 1.8cps…
so what happened to proton’s words saying that perodua is a “rebadged enginerring”? hahaha
proton is just doing what is normal like many other companies. most companies design their own car platforms and rebadge some.
unlike perodua that only can rebadge 100% of all their models.
get that into your brain once and for all!
agree , if its a value for money car,reliable n reasonable in specs,it wil be hot cakes , i dont think customers wil actually care if its a rebadged lancer or not , at this segment , price is king, and proton has a golden chance to repay our faith in it n produce a killer product , nobody gave a rat where myvi came from , infact , thats why its a successful product bcos its taken from a reliable brand(toyota) n rebadged here , customers didnt care , thy jus want a car thats easy to live with…..
its important for proton to educate customers that a rebadged car DOES NOT MEAN INFERIOR car , , its jus made in malaysia rather than japan n thus the lower price….
i bet wen its finally in the showroom , it wil look beter in flesh than in the pictures , and for godness sake to ppl talking about politics ,G,NEP,n bla bla, get a life seriously…
as long as it is cheap, reliable & looks good “Lancer GT or Evo X look a like” sure buy!!!
Well i think this is really a win win situation for both P1 and Mitsu….The sales volumn of Lancer GT is not really pretty on the paper, exo X is far out from average joe’s pocket. They might as well transfer the whole thing to P1 in exchange of a fee which is profitable in the long run.
So sadly to say ‘wajalution’ is back. I dont say it’s bad thing…but for me if i have the juice, i’ll go for the real sports car instead of ‘lution’ here and there.
Back to the topic, i do hope P1 will really sit down give it a hard thinking about how to price this car instead of take T & H’s pricing range as a benchmark to set your price as below:
A:” Wah!!! this Waja Lancer 1.8 90k le… so exp”
B:” aiyo.. where got… Toyota Uglier Dugong Full spec 1.5 oso more than 90k edi la… Forte 90 k because Naza pricing crazy wan mah…. Lancer GT 120k.. P1 bring it rebadge and CKD u save 30k edi lor… can put at dp to buy a medium cost house lo!!”
1 more interesting fact. Malaysia’s vehicle price is heavily influenced by own tax system. T & H are victim of the system as well as bloodsucker abusing the system to squeeze the max out of malaysian. However most of the vehicles launched over here used TnH price as the referrence!!! it is so funny and yet so sad.
wow,,,, another CHEAP car on the road… and this time even on the MALAYSIAN NEWS… come on, just a copy-cat works what! what the pride/ cheers for?? To thanks proton EXCELLENT~~~ engineers (i’m sorry but don’t you all think they’re, after, how many years? 25 years, brothers). Or to thanks proton do a great copy works that now we can afford a very nice looking car that we’d dream to own one long long time ago. Maybe the next generation, use this as title: “Design by Lotus!” (NOT proton).
Should we ask proton ceo to come here and see how peoples say about their HARD works… i remember one of their managerial officer said “Everyone will like it.” Don’t you? Me?? i’m sorry…
i don’t understand why so many people like you here, got many posts up there explained all about rebadging in automotive business, you really like to blind bash only , correct?
pelancong luar/jepun tgk kereta ni atas jalan nanti mesti ketawa kecil dalam hati diaorg.. hehehe.
Soalan utk Proton:
1) kenapa perlu cetak rompak? kan kerajaan marah.
2) kenapa tak buat model yang baru..? Xde peruntukan ke? Modal pusingan pi mana?
Jualan sikit punya banyak, kata untung la tp kenapa jadi mcm ni Proton?
3) Cakap kat rakyat suruh ubah pemikiran.. tapi tgk tak berubah pun.. WHY?
3) Something wrong inside proton now.. call SPRM.. hahahaha
Sedih la aku jadi rakyat Malaysia…Aku malu..
soalan tuk ko.
perodua, naza, hicom, tcm, modenas dia org citak rompak gak ker.. kau rasa ko ni cetik tak pun pendek fikiran.. ko datang dari maner? bulan? ko ni mahluk asing kot.. ko jd rakyat indon lg bagus kot.. sama jer pemikiran ko dng indon..
naza = peugeot regional hub, ok?
eeer sutera, suria, ria, kia regional hub?
eeer rondo juga,, aper lg yer.. tambah lah kalau aku terlupa
stupid 3008…
yer la.. kau rasa proton buat mcm ni sbb dia orang bodoh macam ko gak zul.. fikiran yang sama bodoh.. mcm aku gak. duk kutuk ko.. aper aku dapat.. aku pun bodoh mcm ko zul.. kita semua rakyat malaysia yang sangat bodoh.. kutuk diri sendiri.. di sbb kan kita semua bodoh, so tak mampu buat kereta sendiri.. tp yg pandai tu wat gak keta sendiri, waja, gen 2, savvy, neo, new saga, exzora, campro, yg kumpulan ni jer yg pandai.. yg lain bodoh mcm kita zul.. erm
I think Zul is a Lancer owner la…..
pity zul….frustated coz spend big money for his lancer
ayat mcm budak 10 tahun.. mane leh beli keta.. bapak kaya pun masih tak boleh bawak keta lancer 2.. sbb serba serbi pendek..
zul…
malu jadi rakyat malaysia…pi la migrate tempat lain..pi indon ke..
baru kau tak malu.. Malaysia tak perlu raykat macam zul…
meyemak je..
Bro…. Aku rasa ko ni tak reti pasal ‘global automotive strategy’ laaaa… Banyak buat research sebelum keluar komen. Komen ko nampak sangat ko ni tipikal dan kurang knowledge… Aku bukan nak menangkan Proton semata-mata…. research dulu macam mana lain2 big automotive company buat nak penetrate kete2 diorang… It is just not copy and paste!!! Feaseable for business or not is the aim.
(zul cakap)
Sedih la aku jadi rakyat Malaysia…Aku malu..
ish3…pindah la dok jepun tu….dgn taraf pemikiran en. zul mungkin bleh jadi….
pembantu bandaraya osaka(pembantu kutip sampah bandaraya osaka)
kui3….
I feel bad for current Lancer owners.
why pity them.. they got money mmeh… they can trade in and go for civic…
What a pity, just because cannot afford imported cars (most of them are poor), people use proton as punching back. The reality is whether proton exist or not imported cars remain expensive..just look at Singapore as an example. Do you think govt just let go lucarative income (import tax) and let our road congested with imported cars?
how about the car price before proton exist?..can you justify that
Before proton exist, down payment was minimum 20%, interest rate 8%, Loan period max was 5 years. And your salary in those days most probably will be lot less than 1.5k. if you are a graduate just entering the job market. If you are newly employed, you’ll need a guarantor to take the bloody loan.
Even If proton/perodua are to stop production you think can buy a car at 30k (cheapest saga)/k25K(cheapest viva)?
Dont ever dream the govt will ever let go the lucrative income from tax. The used cars dealers will cry and The existing car owners will scream to high heavens.. The second hand value will go down the drain.
Why car price in US and Europe..Thailand..Singapore..so cheap as compare to our Bolehland Msia?? At least National car offer comparable price to our not so high income people..and give the safety specs a must have not premium model only..
Why they did not buy a car??? they more money, cheap car, still they cannot afford a car.. Why???? Coz there are many more thing that they need to pay if they buy a car.. Memang waktu beli kereta kita mahal, tapi jumlah yg rakyat amarika perlu bayar untuk sebuah kereta adalah lebih, Kereta murah, cukai murah… Tapi banyak bayaran sampingan diorang kena bayar selepas kereta keluar dari kedai… Kalo nak cakap rakyat malaysia x mampu nak beli kereta dengan harga sekarang ni memang tipu la… Student pon sekarang ni pakai kereta bersepah… Parking kereta dekat UNITEN x cukup, walaupon luas.. Malaysia merupakan negara yang paling banyak daftar kereta baru di asia tenggara selama berbelas tahun berturut-turut… Thailand pon kalah.. Indon yg rakyat dia sepuluh kali ganda rakyat Malaysia pon kalah… Maknanya, harga kereta kat Malaysia ni sepadan la dengan taraf hidop rakyat negara ni… Minah kilang pon pakai Viva… Student pon bersepah pakai myvi… ngan satria neo… Orang dok rumah setinggan pon depan rumah dia parking Estima… orang dok rumah flat pon kat bawah tu parking Caldina ngan BMW… Kereta secondhand kat Malaysia ni pon murah2 ja… Semua mampu beli kereta la weh… Yamaha LC pon dah rm6000-7000. Tu pon budak tingkatan satu yg xde lesen lagi bersepah pakai LC kat kampung2… Yg orang dok marah tu, dia la salah.. Sebab dia be;li kereta yg x sepadan dengan taraf hidup dia.. Gaji RM4000 ja, tapi kereta beli civic, wish, Estima, CRV.. sampaika yg pakai BMW pon ada.. Memang la tanggung beban.. Dah gaji RM4000 tu, pakai je la honda City, vios, waja, Livina, Rush… Dah hidup ikut nafsu, memang macam tu la jadi.. Bagi yg x rasa beban tu ok la.. Bagi yg rasa terbeban tu, amik la kereta murah sikit.. Bukan laq diskriminasi, tapi bak kata pepatah, ukur baju di badan sendiri… Xkan la gaji RM4000, bayar keta sebulan rm 1500… Beli la kereta yg bayar bulan2 RM 1000 kebawah… Kira accepteble la tu.. Kat Thailand ngan Indonesia tu yg dok heboh kereta murah tu, bukan ramai pon orang beli… Malaysia jugak yg lagi banyak beli kereta baru…
so u suggest we change the gov.?
now we’re talking proton! wth, just ignore those basher bastard. talk so much like i care. come man, stop being a hater. get a fookin life, move on or start your own auto company. lol
From all the hype here, It will sell like hotcakes I reckon.
Best thing Proton ever did apart from the older Saga and Wira rebadgings. Its just an issue of build quality now.
Eh..some people paid Rm 120k for the “real” Lancer and perasan they had a “performance” car? LOL get real its a mid range jap sedan, thats it. Now people will think your “real Lancer” was a Waja before HAHAHAHAHA
Now accessory shops will come out with “Proton Waja – Mitsu Lancer conversion package” with all the body bits and badging, and in a few hours, youve got your Lancer.
Hahahaha!!! I love to click on comments that reads “hidden due to lowcomment rating”!! =P
me too…. ;)
same here!
haha spot on bro
if people want to buy, just buy.. dont talk rubbish here……
True.
Look at Vios.
Vios is using old technology but still number 1 seller.
People don’t talk rubbish. They just buy it.
I have nothing against Vios. Just that it is not my choice.
juz buy it if u like..in the past we saw so many waja wit modified lancer body kit,so now proton giv you pasang siap lancer..so be gratefull la..no more ulang alik to workshop juz to make waja@wira like lancer..save time,bajet..nway good effort proton..:)
Proton really made Malaysian crazy…almost 600 comment been post~heheh~
Guys, if you’re not a basher, I suggest you forget about trying to explain simple logic to them bashers. Let them troll away until kingdom come. You can talk until the end of the earth and still they wouldn’t want to accept simple logic. 500 comments, all the same thing…
well, i don’t care about them anymore. i’ll just bash the bashers when i see fit. but i’ll try to explain nicely for those who ask nicely.
have a nice day everyone… and maaf zahir & batin to syoh, elite, oldman, dickybird and semua yang sewaktu dengannya…
selamat hari raya to mofaz and all other forumers, bashers realists and proton fanboys alike. just remember to drive safely balik kampung, that proton is not the flying beca in a now banned tv3 raya ad. LOL! kita bersambung lain hari!
i believe theres a good side effect from this project. If this waja offers a good drive, it will hopefully open up a new chapter in terms of drivetrain. It will hopefully mark the end of the dreaded Lotus campro. Lets face it, campro spoils everything Proton have done.
Has anyone think about the resale value of this Waja Lancer in 5-year time vs Vios E for example (I think top spec is gonna be the same price as Vios E). Hey I am not a Toyota salesman ya.
huhh…resale value..sape yg tentukan?
pikir2…
proton cars resale value is not that bad, for example Waja 2003 is still selling at around RM15k, or about 25% of its original value 7 years ago.
of course the more expensive cars will have greater depreciation in term of value in RM, but percentage is about the same.
to proton engineers if the car does sell well dont be proud of urself, it’s just too shameful to use evo X design for WaLan. go learn from korea now.
Yes i did mention the same thought previously, most of the comentators didnt like what i say. But i agree with 100%
but you forgot Korean also rebadge Japanese last time? and the engine in Forte is actually being developed together with Mitsu?
and wait, Proton and Mitsu will develop new platform together, probably for Savvy replacement.
Well,i a bit upset when i known this.,but on the other point of think,i am happy coz alot of people are actually like LANCER..is only they can’t afford to buy! So,this is a good news for those guyz who like real LANCER but can’t afford to buy! So,the NEW WAJA is the best choice for u guyz…
BUT,think carefully.. is it PROTON!! not MITSUBISHI! it is only the out looks almost same as lancer but the QUALITY is not that same! Some stupid says,(Haha,below 100k can get LANCER quality!)DREAMS!! do u think u pay less than 100k can get a 100% same MATERIAL,ENGINES & QUALITY with LANCER? ya,i know our taxes are high! but NO…u can’t! get the same,that for sure! but out looks u can! So,for any LANCER owner here,i would like to say..dun be so upset about it… we are paying for the QUALITY! and we r using the real LANCER..not the FAKE 1!! So..when we saw the FAKE 1 on the road..juz chase him kao kao!! let those NEW WAJA owner know what is the different between a WAJA and LANCER! At last i want to tell those want to but local product PROTON WAJA.. don’t dream u are buying a LANCER! u r only buying a RM8?k PROTON WAJA! not 123K MITSUBISHI LANCER! no matter how u change the out looks.. your steering weel & engines logo is PROTON! this u can’t change! People just go see your steering then will know yours is a PROTON! That’s it.
Let’s see if your Lancer can catch up the new WAJA in the cornerings as well as in the normal road.. Its doesn’t matter what car u drive, but the way u drive/handle the car.. ;)
old lancer = mitsu engine + so so ride and handling
new lancer = mitsu engine + LOTUS ride and handling
you[ll be smoked kao kao
I positively think this Waja (lancer) can beat the real Lancer anytime given in drag..remember Lancer use softy rubber band CVT (no different than my wife Honda City) and the other is using hardened steel teeth 5 speed manual tranny..just give some tuned and it whoosshh
To real LANCER owner
I will make sure my Proton Waja LOOK EXECTLY THE SAME as your Lancer. Blow me away la :) I know how you feel lah poor buddy. Thanks for all the tax you pay hahahahahahahahahaha just cannot stop laughing !
same here bro but ill keep the proton badge just to piss them off..hahaha lancer at half at their price is really LOL
agreed.. it’s not about the car you drive, it’s all about the driver..
Cerita panjang-panjang tak guna, cakap je beli lah Altis baru. Itu maksud kau sebenarnya.
lancer and waja…same same lah……they r using korean enjin also brother…bodoh….kau…..balik cina lah…..
Think before you make comments…this discussion here is for car, not to spread some “sensitive” words…like it or not, we are still under the one and only Malaysia!
hey hey….. cannot use ‘balik cina lah’, 1 malaysia la. anyway, mitsu co-developing engine with hyundai. but no idea if it was fitted in the current waja. CPS however, is malaysian and lotus.
ape koo melatak ni!? it’s GEMA=global engine manufacturing alliance = jointlly built btwn Jap+KR. so EVO X use KR engine??? ko tu pi berambus balik indon la !
ill literate. It is called China. No NAH for you, not worth. Takkan paham.
Just count how many top people working in Singapore, and 1st world countries. China? 3rd world country also, king of ‘black-hearted products’, but probably better than those who always think ‘saya boleh’ and country di mana salah also can become betul.
no cakap2 banyak la. wajalancer Vs Mitsubishi lancer, first we start wajalancer 1.8 VS mitsubishi 2.0, if wajalancer 1.8 win, no need test wajalancer 2.0,
I think, wajalancer is low grade for Mitsubishi lancer, so they can get low price. or we waiting from wajalancer owner comment? you don’t blame2 la….. or you go to test drive wajalancer if you think your lancer is better..
Vios type J, nothing special, low quality, plastic.
nope , old one got no lotus handking , new one yes
actually, for the early birds you will get mitsu’s quality.. localize parts are still under development, initial stage you will get CKD kits from japan.. i haven’t heard any recalls for mitsu, not like the so “reliable” T that can get you killed..
oii… steering also can change la.. but probably rm2k just to replace it due to airbags system. but rm2k compared to rm30k saved, i’d say… just do it man!
hahahaha!
One Sad Guy try to pujuk diri sendiri…
i know that feeling…. ;)
I think the current lancer owner can slowly end the nightmare of “Lancer localization”.. coz it has turned to “Reality”.
I dont like your tone, why should Lancer owners feeled belittled ? They are owning a piece of nice craft. That’s why Proton choose to rebadge Lancer. They should feeled pround that their car is being chosen but not CIVIC or even BMW
Car designers in Proton only know sleep and eat, copy and paste. Do nothing and every month get salary. Good …
do you think making cars is same as your name? just keep quiet if you don’t know what’s going on in the auto manufacturing industry..
you keep feeding your brain everyday but your brain actually sleeping or brain-dead already. Good….
i m sure now, all the bodykit shop on evo 10 look alike, laugh like hell, biz sure double up!
double?
pretty sure it’ll be more than that!
despite all the bashing here, we’ll see many many New Waja on the road soon!!
If looking at Lancer is like looking at pretty girls, then i think looking at New Waja is like looking at pretty-aquas. They look like pretty girls, smell like pretty girls, move like pretty girls, but they are NOT pretty girls…
hahahaha……
I am very excited at the moment after the news. As a truly Malaysian whom can’t afford lancer and my dream has finally come true now. I even has asked my brother to get the “lancer “emblem ready for another round of rebadge.
Last but not least , thanks for Proton jaga us !!!!
Proton is the king of all car manufacturers, really jaga the rakyat, i will get 1 too in the first day of soft launching. Definitely, I will change all the Proton logo to Mitsubishi. Will budget 2k for that purpose. I am going to own a Mitsubishi !!!!!!
THANKS PROTON !
I think only a few things need to be changed.
1. Front logo
2. Back Logo
3. Streering ( I think Proton is going to use their own steering )
4. Engine cover
5. window/windsheild embedded logo
6. sports rim (sure got proton logo)
Maybe 2 k is not enough, please advise
no matter what rims they get from JRD people will still change ler.
U pay tax right? Then u deserve to be jaga, not thanks they jaga u
oh oh…. i hope proton will rebagde the Mitsu ASX !!
please please please proton ~~ !!!
then nobody will bash proton…
cos ASX not sold here in yet…
so according to rebadging strategy, it is the right thing to do!
and also proton doesnt have a B segment car yet…
will make proton line up broader !!
so please please please proton rebagde ASX !!
engine is made by lotus or mitsubishi?
engine is made by lotus or mitsubishi
at first proton kena bash, and now all the forummers oso kena bash…..
Malaysians are born bashers, like it or not. It’s in their blood.
kita try kira tgk bulan2 brp kena bayar berpandukan harga anggaran dari org ramai.
Interest skrg 4% (untuk kereta 1.5cc and above – Proton and Produa)
model 1.8, harga RM 85K
10% downpayment, 4% ~ 9thn = RM 964 / sebulan.
model 2.0, harga RM 95K
10% downpayment, 4% ~ 9thn = RM 1,074 /sebulan.
ermm..sapa nak kata nak beli tu boleh book bulan depan, aku rasa aku xnak.. :-)
better buy CBU…interest low…but most of the malaysians don’t care about that….as long they can pay monthly and also don’t care about the safety…..
there’s only one malaysia…satu malaysia and satu lancer..thats proton lancer…malaysia boleh…..i’m reaching 40 and gonna drive a lancer evo again…will mod it like evo….just like my olden days wira mod evo 3…..yeahhhh….damn happy….will sell my shitting myvi for sure….sukkkss….p2….yahhoooooooooooooooooooooooo…………..f all basher…..u guys will buy it too
Holy crap, this posting has 557 replies and opinions and by the time my comment being moderated, it would have reached 600! well, what can i comment about.. proton being backward? not really, looking forward, not really too. instead of re-designing its current models such as the very aged Perdana, it replaced Waja design with Lancer’s skin. Haha…not a bad idea.. next maybe speak to the Koreans and see whether can use their design and chasis or not to replace other existing models.. like some said, i pity those who paid RM120k for their ori Mitsu Lancer GTs! cannot put the blame on Proton alone, i am sure somehow people at Mitsubishi also benefited somehow and some ways, allowing Proton to rebadge their nice looking Lancers. Soon the whole public roads will be filled with Lancer lookalike in the form of…well..u get.. taxis… next time you hop on to your own driven Mitsu Lancer after arriving at KLIA, make sure u dont hop into Taxis… will be fun to see some on the road soon.. crazy.. you dont see Ramly burger rebadging McD’s Big Mac do you? well thats because Ramly had remained Ramly and it is so ever tasting goood! Proton should emulate and stay original and evolve seriously rather than making meagre profits every year after 25 years still not making good enough money when half the Malaysian population is driving your car now.. what happened? Look yourself in the mirror la!
do you need to spend RM1bil to create new taste/ingredients for burger?
RM1bil spent to develop waja, RM1bil to develop Campro, RM500mil to develop Gen-2, RM100mil for Persona, and hundreds of millions more for Exora and Saga… don’t you see the logic why they just do a rebadge for a car which probably only sell 200 – 300 units per month?
open up your eyes, and look yourself in the mirror.
I do hope it sell more…:) get more profit in….then use it to properly develop something…be it a cross platform development with others or whatever…..if i am not mistaken before Persona….Proton reserve is dipping to all time low….I doubt with Persona and Saga plus exora…they have a strong reserve.
get the finance strong….then do something that suppose to be done properly 10yrs ago.
today just saw on electric car…Peugeot and Mitsubishi are working together….
well Proton should also find some future potential to work with all this big boys.
One word for Proton: INCOMPETENT!
Others have similar expenditure/investment but still managed to achieve high sales and turn around rate than Proton.
There is no point in debating over it as it is so obvious that Proton will always be Proton, selling cheap cars!.
If the Koreans think like you, then Kia & Hyundai would have never progressed.
200-300 a month in sales wow, then why proton do it. To stay afloat in this range? To lost ur respect in the eyes of ur country ppl for 200-300 units a month? Anyway if its a gain to the ppl, why not.
To get more money. Simple as that.
Plus they don’t have a true C-Car challenger to the Civic & Altis. Open up new market for them.
i not totally agree on your figure. RM1bil for r&d ? no.. it should be 20mil for r&d, 80mil masuk pocket.. hahaha
it;s a normal thing to hop on same cars anywhere, even if it’s just a taxi, you never go oversea don’t you? go to bangkok and you will see pink ALTIS taxis are everywhere, if you have an altis, is it wise enough not to hop in that car just because you have driven it?
people like this also got haiya
this is not food business lah…different market different story..not tally at all!
what;s the big deal with that? if you go to bangkok you would see pink Altis taxis are everywhere, is that funny? or will you hop into wrong car just because the taxi is the same brand and model with yours?
nice! luv it!
For those blady PROTON fans out there ,
if u think Proton has IMPROVED and has great qualities , why are those imported cars still being taxed so high ? Get real man . Because the government knows Proton can’t compete with the foreign cars . My ass lah PROTON . Biggest JOKE in the automobile industry . Only typical malaysians will buy proton . DAMN !!
Thailand, open car market, yet Proton still able to hold on its own. But in Malaysia it’s not a level playing field, because typical Malaysians think irrationally and buy cars based on badge. They’re willing to starve, just so they can show off in expensive cars. How rational is that? Plus, you think when taxes are gone things will change? In your dreams! Your 2nd hand car value will drop like a stone and used car dealers will close shop or probably ask G for bailout.
The biggest joke isn’t Proton. The biggest joke’s are the naive Malaysians who thinks evertyhing will be the same without Proton!
get one to make it FQ400 muahahahaha
If Proton can make a profit from selling this model at RM60K then it would be a hot cake, and I would rather buy the shares instead of the car. But if priced at RM80k…would that be a real hot cake?
think la, if sell 60k whose gonna buy persona anymore, use your head a bit.
if 80k but with high spec still ok lah since Vios and City don’t offer much at that price for interior….seem like around 80k only Kia Forte give some nice interior :)
60k ….hmmm manual with very very minimal stuff inside?
will be a real hot shit then.. hahaha
If it can sell… it’s not a bad idea !
I hope that P1 puts in a real decent gear system instead of the slower-than-thee CVT gear in the current GT. Man, the Lancer GT looks fierce but if you’re a real owner like me, then you’d realize that it runs like shite as it has a good chasis but let down by the stupid gears and suspension built-ups. If P1 can deliver a Waja/Lancer GT in manual gear and tuned by Lotus, I’ll be glad to “upgrade” these parts into my Lancer GT if cost permits; or to trade-in the Lancer GT for a Waja GT.
Lancer GT looks fast but runs slow. Perhaps the Proton transformation would edge the car closer to the spirit of competition as Evos intended. Let the game begins…
you’re the first lancer owner (are you?) who seem to positively thought on this wajalan sentiment ..I applaud you for that..
I support your statement. Hope for the best out of P1 + Mitsu + Lotus… :)
This thread is easily the highest commented thread in paultan…..
Existing Lancer owner:
The brand new WajaLan design might 2X nicer than the Lancer. (because is rebadge, buang yang ada unsur “LaLa”, tambah yang cantik)
Accessory shops will come out with “Mitsu Lancer to WajaLan – conversion package” with all the body bits and badging, and in a few hours, you’ve got your Proton WajaLan.
why not? WajaLan mah….LOL
this is giving me a lot of grief and heartache… feel like crying in my teh tarik with like-minded LGT owners :-(
The newsreader said “ADA SUNTIKAN DNA PROTON”
wondering what does that mean ?
dna – something inside barely eyes can see….so, none..lol
Front bumper…n grill…can’t you see…?
DNA Proton=less reliable product’s quality? This will make Lancer buyers happier with their purchase/support of Mitsu and justify why Protonized version cheaper on top of CBU vs CKD.
If parts fail Proton can reasoned as BIASALA, Proton maa! You want better one get a Lancer at RM120,000 (over RM20,000 premium than Waja-dubbed-Lancer).
Even in Indonesia Daihatsu Xenia vs T Avanza has different prices.
It mean WajaCancer lor
in the news it says that the car would have Proton DNA inserted into it and Lotus handling…as the spy shots and pics in the news indicate that the design is almost 99.9999% lancer it is quite hard to see where the Proton DNA is going to be implemented and just please don’t make the Proton DNA include parts breaking down due to poor quality control..otherwise could be a good car
power windows motor he.he.
Dna..u cannot see it…it’s hiding inside
vios e-dugong is same like saga…pls don’t ever compare with lancer or wajalancer.
it just insults your own intelligence.
Since I should be one of the last to comment on this:
Yes, it may be an awkward feeling for all those Lancer owners out there … but if u wanna console yourself, I suppose u could think of it this way:
1) the Wa-Lan / Lan-Ja will still be BUATAN MSIA, not Japan… hence spec wise, quality and those essential components under the bonnet will not be the same too …
2) technology wise, engine and gearbox should be different, so the only thing that is similar is just the SHELL , ie. the driving characteristics of the car should still be different.
Personally I disagree with Mitsu allowing other makers to do this, it is akin to double crossing those who have supported them, like u already bought a nice juicy BK Whopper but Ramly did one exactly the same next door, but heck ….. its just a car la. :)
Lim kopi…
Malaysian are not smart enough.. they don;t care it is BAUATAN MALAYSIA or Japan… as long it has japanese touch.. Malaysian will buy
you know why??? coz malaysian has so many poor AH beng Japs wannabe and they can’t afford super real JDM car..
Myvi also BUATAN MALAYSIA.. but as long perodua sales conn ppl ” our car ‘s engine from JAPAN.. origin design in JAPAN” .. then ppl will buy
prrrrtfhhh pity ah beng japs wannabe
I think the handling will be better…..
Also it just seems to me after seeing the success of P2 rebadging the Myvi, P1 is just following suit …. all about survival now isnt it P1 ?
p1 not only rebadge myvi.. but all their models are rebadge, thats the different between proton and perodua, somemore, Daihatsu (perodua boss) , Subaru also has rebadging model (Mira) and homegorund model…so?? all about survival???
Woohaa…600++comment? amazing…
I don’t care what people say, i wanna buy this model and make it EVO 10 wanna be..!!
if MYVI can be PASSO? why not WAJA? win-win situation rite… Salam Hari Raya..
just preview about this car comment reached 600++…i bet it will be more than 600 when this car launch ….
cheapskate!
Why wanna change to Evo 10? this Waja Lancer front end almost identical to the Passat CC.Passat CC and Evo 10 got almost the same price what? IMO this give executive looks for the Waja.
simply explanation
lancer rebadge is targeting ah beng japs wannabe, who can’t affrd real JDM car then end up with MYVI (convert passo @ halfcut shop), 2nd class ASEAN japs car VIOS and CITY…Now they have more choices..
So perodua salesman must be in trouble… proton is stealing their loyal customer (Ah beng Japs wannabe)
prrrrfthhhh
Non ah beng japs wannabe definetly will wait for thenext persona R or EMAS
one of the weakness of typical Japs car is poor ride and handling..
with the DNA of LOTUS handling and engine from Japan (MIVEC) its gonna be perfect combo
Japs engine, continental handling and Malaysian price
wa lauweiii.. ah beng must be happy
prrrrrtfhhh
copycat lagi…. aduh…. x.x
proton dna? the badge la…wat else….i’m sure p1 have so many designers in their co but they just dont bother design cars…what are they doing most of the time in their office? facebooking ^^
Really good news for Lancer buyers, they can sell their car at brand new Waja price. Lol. Thanks to the 25 years of success.
Damn.. I can’t wait to test drive this car.. I might gonna buy it as my second car (mod car perhaps)
Mit car fans HATED Mitsu & P1.
I feel back stabbed as Lancer GT owner by Mitsubishi. Would not have bought one if I knew this was going to happen. Shame on Mitsubishi !!!
Its already 700 comments but anyway well done on another wonderful rebadged model surely can be top sales for another 20 years.
if only Paul earned a ringgit for every comment whenever he posts about Proton.
Buatan Malaysia tiruan Jepon. Where is the Malaysian feel and touch? Are we proud of imitation? Profit, profit, profit is all about profit these day, they forgot their identity and mission objective?
When Proton lose money people bash to no avail. What’s wrong with making money? They do have Persona, Saga, Exora, Savvy & Neo to display their identity.
Buying RM80K Proton –> Money not well spent.
One month resale value dropped to RM60K? –> Money not well spent.
After full repayment 7 years your nett loss is RM50K? –> Money not well spent.
Proton really worth RM80K to waste? –> Money not well spent.
Still wanna buy RM80K Proton?
Either you’re STUPID FOOL or BLIND!
u buy kia la..very2 well spend. huh…
You think what? car is a investment? Everybody here is talking about new lancer rebadge with affordable rm80k. So, you’re a capitalist so to speaklah.
proton DNA most probably refers to the handling as they have made an adjustment on the suspension set up.Tried out done and it is improved compared to the lancer itself. There is no improvement on the NVH quality as supposedly to be done since they have limited time to change it.IMHO.no offence to the mitsubishi lancer owners…the NVH,handling and the engine growl of the lancer is poor,include the material use for the interior.most of previews also commented the same…from what i heard this waja should come into 2 variant…1.8m and 2.0 (with paddle shift)..this is a good chance for people who cant afford to buy lancer.we may do a comparison of these 2 cars when it is launch then.what dissapoint me, a waja replacement should not be based on lancer platform. we can see how kia n hyundai come out with their fleet which is totally different with the previous model.forte is designed and offers and a very attractive price.maybe proton is copying what have done by perodua…MYVI based on passo and boon has been top model eventhough it waas launced 5years back!!
kalau harga RM 80K = bulan2 kena bayar RM9XX ~ 9th ~4%
Kalau harga RM 100K = bulan2 kena bayar RM1XXX ~ 9th ~4%
aku rasa, aku tak beli kut. korang beli je la. korangkan byk duit..
nanti nak trade in balik susah..harga jatuh teruk.. Cth: Proton Perdana
if my salary is rm6+++ per month sshould i buy this car? camry and accord are too unclish for me since i’m only 3+ years old, altis is quite unclish too and civic is not that good in ride and handling, vios is not really suitable for balik kampung events since it’s too light for high speed highway driving and honda city is same
this is the worse car among all tht u mention la bro, why settle for a cheapo proton, tht comes with a lifetime guarantee of problems….go for Mazda 6 or Sonata YF, or wait for new Kia K5..also can consider Nissan Sylphy and Teana….
You should go for Peugeot 407.. Same class with Camry and Accord And even BMW 3 series…. Have better performance than Camry and Accord, Also have both CBU and CKD model.. CBU for rm150k+- and CKD for rm125k+-… The design is beautiful, sporty, NOT UNCLISH…. And Gat 7-10 airbag… Safety is much better than Camry and Accord… Maintainance is lees than what people have said, coz now got ckd version.. Factory is at Gurun Kedah… See this—> http://engrraf.blogspot.com/2009/02/peugoet-407-vs-camry-20-vs-honda-accord.html And last ly 5 Star Crash Test rating for the Peugeot 407.
The results of the crash tests by The European New Car Assessment Programme are proof that safety was high on the agenda when the new Peugeot 407 was on the drawing board.
Excerpt from the Euro NCAP test report.
– The 407 has a very strong and stable passenger safety cage. It scored close to the maximum number of available points in the frontal impact. The restraint systems and airbags, including a knee airbag for the driver, protected occupants and kept the driver’s chest and head away from the steering wheel. Side impact protection includes side airbags and a curtain airbag. Child protection was good but pedestrian protection proved to be average, with no protection given where an adult’s head would most likely strike.
When proton have a new JV with mitsu which exchange 2 chassis (persona & exora) with 1 (lancer). It seem unfair… But then MAYBE mitsu also offer their 1.8/2.0 engine to proton.. Maybe NEO 2.0 next?
Re-badge is simple and easy, but support and service will pain in the ass after re-badge…
I smell something from the past where people used modify the wira into Evo 1, 2, or 3, fully transplanted even the 4WD drivetrain, and some cases even the rear lights gets modified to the ones of the earlier Lancers and it become difficult to tell the differences from the looks.
With this Lancer-based Waja on the road, half-cut shops are eyeing on such market for Evo X half-cut.
New Waja Lancer – does this will be the name?
Well, at least this car should be 1.8L. Would be happy if p1 release the car with a new developed campro engine (or mivec).
and wonder this waja will have the same control buttons in the real lancer as what we see in the top gear. (Look for evo 10 vs subaru)
look what happen to Wira-Evo, Perdana-Eterna, Kancil N Kelisa-Mira, Kenari-Move…..the Next Transformation… Waja-Evo X!…c’mon laa guys, enjoy what we have, you cant afford Mitsubishi Lancer X…suddenly Proton got the Rebadge model, 90% look the same with Evo…Wow! can we just Appreciate what proton did?
Can’t wait to buy this one and drive back to Singapore.
To all Mitsubishi Lancer owners,
Stop condemning ppl who wants to buy Proton Lancer. U think your Mitsubishi Lancer is ferrari ar? And by the way ,if you are so rich,go get a Evo, dont try to modify the lancer to become Evo. I laugh at those ppl who take huge loan to buy a mitsubishi lancer,then try to condemn ppl who wants to buy proton lancer saying theirs is high class,ori,proton lancer owner poor, lots of nonsense.
proton dna? the badge got lo…^^ wonder what the designers inside p1 doing most of their time? facebooking instead of designing cars ^^
U dont have to do anything on the outlook of Walan..let it be what it is. Spend your extra money to make it on the performance and stability so you can smoke kao the real lancer/civic R and be proud of Proton Walan.
True… Agreed.. Sleeper mode in the making.. Focus on performance & handling and not appearance and ready on tp Smoke the Lancer n civic challenger..
I have forgotten to name this new masterpiece by Proton.
It should be Proton Walan SKY = Proton Walan Smoke “Kao/Kill” You.
The catchy phare would be:
Let those Ah Beng’s beng SPEECHLESS EXPERIENCE.
The MOTTO:
“Dare to accept, Dare to challenge, Dare to SKY”
Selamat Hari Raya
Hahaha funny spend ur extra money to improve what??? To be a lancer exo??? Hahaha improve a waja back to be a lancer hahaha, life is funny
proton take mitsui lancer as new waja, and what ppl dunno mitsui also take exora and satria neo to rebadge as Junior Grandis and neo as Colt Mirage…
Just put the name as Waja R … R stand for replacement..
We cannot deny it, it is a superb, sporty & affordable car for Malaysian if the price within RM70,000 ~ RM85,000
What Malaysian want:
Japan tech – we got Mitsu engine and accesories
Europe style – we have LOTUS ride & superb handling
Malaysian price – hopefully really ‘Malaysian price’ :)
Safety – Proton chassis, hopefully as TOUGH as Savvy..
Spare parts – locally made soon?..
I’m sure this model will sell very very well… Middle range people will choose Persona, but for the executive or project car, sure Waja R become a MUST!!!
One the Waja R launch.. i cannot become cucukman anymore,haha.. others will cucuk my Persona..
when persona R launched, mod it and cucuk all the cars
Not so long ago, some Protong Fanboys condemned another local car manufacturer doing rebadge. Well, at least the ‘other’ local manufacturer did a good job rebadging Toyota/Daihatsu cars.
I doubt Protong could even rebadge Lancer model perfectly. There’s bound to be problems ranging from…, well you know better than me (hint: window and etc). Thehehe.
It’s like an old Malay sayings; “Ludah ke langit, kena muka sendiri”. Condemn other people rebadging, Protong did the very same thing too. Hypocrite at its best!
dia mai dah….
My questions will be:-
1) Is the interior quality will be on par as real Lancer?
2) And how about the safety? 5Star EuroNCAP? 4 Airbags at least?
If proton can deliver this, it will be a real deal provided the car is still with 2.0L and below RM90K.
It proton to use 1.6L Campro, they should just price is at 60K and.. there’ll be still buyers for the real Lancer and current Lancer owner also can smile and not regretting their 120K+ buy..
I heard its going to be called PROTON WALAN….
WALAN -EH!!
Hi Alan Wong
why u call yourself Ah Lan ?
really2 disappointed with proton…i expect more than this after hearing replacement for waja 2 years ago..lastly, get same model with lancer? aiyooo..what happen proton? lack of designers??
kenapa ramai org ckp perodua rebadge???
cuba baca statement kt bwh..
Perusahaan Otomobil Kedua Sdn Bhd (PERODUA), established in 1993, is a joint venture company between Malaysian and Japanese partners. The shareholders of Perodua are UMW Corporation Sdn Bhd 38%, MBM Resources Berhad 20%, Daihatsu Motor Co. Ltd 20%, PNB Equity Resource Corporation Sdn Berhad 10%, Daihatsu (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd 5%, Mitsui & Co. Ltd 4.2% and Mitsui & Co, (Asia Pacific) Pte Ltd 2.8%.
bukan ke UMW toyota ke???
daihatsu kan anak syarikat toyota..
so kt cni brape percent saham milik malaysia company??
IMO la kan berdasarkan statement kt atas
Daihatsu ngan perodua ni sama ja..
anak syarikat toyota..
xyah nak cpk rebadge la.
mereka cuma buat dan pasang kereta toyota kt cni je..
dgn lain kata
toyota ni bapak, perodua ni anak..
biar la dia nak buat ape pun..
Tapi tgk logo kat Myvi tu. Toyota ke Perodua? Perodua kan? Rebadge la namanya tu! Dahlah tukar badge aje dapat status kereta Nasional. Perodua buat bashers semua sokong. Proton buat bashers semua bangkang. Ape kejadah?
rebadge la sampai kiamat p2 tu..
Bapak rakyat jepun.. anak rakyat malaysia? dalam undang2 pendaftaran malaysia boleh buat mcm 2 ker? heheheh.. lawak jer jangan marah,, selamat hari raya,
stil qualifies for national car status?? i dun even see 10% of the whole car is made in malaysia!!
The base and design is from Mitsu, but not the making….. P still owns the making and production… Its still made in Malaysia, not in Japan….
Since so many people talked about transforming this car into Lancer/Evo by changing the grille & bumpers…. I got a question:
Will changing the grille & bumpers void the warranty of the car?
80
sure no void lah~
sure void lah~
void warranty grill.. hoho
I drive Proton Gen.2 CPS A/T. Its ride and handling is the best in its class.
mungkinkah waja lancer ini ada lah reject dari mitsu???? jeng jeng jeng..
possible, but hopefully not!!!
Re-badge Lancer what a surprise! The way completely knock down ckd proton/Mitsubishi and logical to sustain business! P1 never give up! never back down.
Very happy with this Proton Wajalancer but please dont put that campro junk..
oh~ the launching date quickly come~ just cant wat to step inside~!!
wakakakaka…people all complain bout build quality problem…wat i will do, buy the car for 80+k, order complete front and rear halfcut evo X from japan, convert. all issues gone..settle and i will get a Mitsubishi Lancer evo X…NAH! to the faces of so-called Lancer GT owners…i will now laugh at lancer owners nowadays driving their so-called performance GT when the new Waja hit the streets…Wakakakaaka..
hahaha.. the look might be the same. nothing else except that.
TO annoymous person
haha, hoestly, nowadays whenever i see a Lancer passing by, I will slow down and see the driver face…..so funny. I really cannot imagine the world when the new waja is launched. Poor Mit Lancer owner
keep on laughing….wait till you see all the waja lancer by the road side…breakdown
I tot next yr no more half cut?
they r the ones who wil b laughing once u start changing parts which is made by potong n changed by potong n then car ‘tersadai’ in front proton workshop after a month
i dont know why he so happy? Ori Lancer is 2.0L Mivec P1 just 1.8L still not sure what engine…. hopefully not 1.8L SOHC engine…
I like rebadge. Hope they just rebadge every nice car out there and better don’t change a thing. Stop wasting our tax payer $$ for all those stupid research (corruption)
Go buy la oredi!!!!bising la!
wow…. 600 over comments vry hot topic…..well everyone here have their own view…
Hmmm…my view for this proton waja 2, in global car manufacturer market they are all rebedge, merge, buy other car company….well proton is just doing the same thing.
but frankly, if proton really wan to go in to global market be a top 10 car manufacturer they really have to improve their car quality control, car spare parts supplier, safety feature/rating and their after sales service centre…..im sure for the past 25 years those who own proton know wat happen….if proton really seriosly look at this matter i think they will come out a good car. Since we bought over lotus, learn their technology and build a malaysian good car….learn from past mistake improve it. Dont just said the word “Proton mah, memang ini macam punya mah” always hear at service centre even sale showroom.
Please let make ur country proud of it….forget those word..
give us a good quality car…
WaLan eh.. ada suntikan dna Potong!
simply explanation
lancer rebadge is targeting ah beng japs wannabe, who can’t affrd real JDM car then end up with MYVI (convert passo @ halfcut shop), 2nd class ASEAN japs car VIOS and CITY…Now they have more choices..
So perodua salesman must be in trouble… proton is stealing their loyal customer (Ah beng Japs wannabe)
prrrrfthhhh
Non ah beng japs wannabe definetly will wait for thenext persona R or EMAS
one of the weakness of typical Japs car is poor ride and handling..
with the DNA of LOTUS handling and engine from Japan (MIVEC) its gonna be perfect combo
Japs engine, continental handling and Malaysian price
wa lauweiii.. ah beng must be happy
prrrrrtfhhh
some perodua salesman like maserati claim proton is copying perodua business strategy??? or maybe NAZA business strategyprrrrtfhhh
this is not perodua, proton or NAZA businesss strategy.. This is our GOVERMENT business strategy.. perodua, proton and naza just follow our G instruction
proton does not copy perodua business strategy…
initially, proton also rebadge, saga, wira,satria ..all thease are rebadge business..
actually proton is copy most global company business strategy (Daihatsu, Subaru, Nissan etc)… they do rebadge and also homeground model..
perodua business strategy is actually 100% rebadge all their models and they have no own/homeground model… and this kind of business strategy is practiced only in BOLEHLAND.. perodua, DRB hicom, Naza and they are called NATIONAL CAR..
and all this u should blame to Gov
all proton, perodua, naza indirectly controlled by G as they are “national car maker”
G asked perodua,naza to do rebadge business only and that’s why G allowed perodua to be taken over by Daihatsu in 90’s
prrrrrtfhhhh
erm.. nk buat keta bukan senang mcm nak buat komen.. mane2 compny yg leh rekabentuk kereta sendiri dikira hebat.. cuba bayangkan mcm ner cara2 nak buat kereta 2 dari zero sampai lah ker production line.. semuanya nak di reka sendiri kan.. tengk kilang ni n fikir mcm ner nak setup kilang ni.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wCV3f6DNOU
important thing is…
to Proton pleeeeeease improve on your
POWER WINDOW and the CENTRAL LOCKING device/part/quality…..
Two of my friend’s Saga have no problems, so too is the Persona of another friend’s sister…
New Perodua car’s power windows is not better than Proton
Yes, Please… P1 still havent corrected those parts no matter which model… I was a Iswara and Saga BLM model owner before and i’m still facing the similiar issues.. Same goes to Persona and other models too….
cant wait to buy 1… expect the price to be around 65k-70k..
It doesn’t matter for it to be Proton Walan or Lancer Evo. We are now giving by Proton to own a good chasis with this car as a base, the potential of it can be really wide. Think ahead of what can we archive as car enthusiasts, the GAME is ON and having to know how, you will appreciate this rebadge move.
The real Evo-lution will start on this rock solid chassis stage.
Buying RM80K Proton –> Money not well spent.
One month resale value dropped to RM60K? –> Money not well spent.
After full repayment 7 years your nett loss is RM50K? –> Money not well spent.
Proton really worth RM80K to waste? –> Money not well spent.
Still wanna buy RM80K Proton?
Either you’re STUPID FOOL or BLIND or BOTH!
well, you buy japanese or conti or korean brand also you dont know where the tax money goes too right?
Dunno if its being spent wisely or not or into some dato’s pocket.
Buying any car is money not well spent. But is buying a Proton money not well spent? Parts are cheaper & you can go to service your car anywhere. Other makes may not have the easy & cheap access to parts and services. There’s more cost to consider than just resale value, you know.
If you buy a car just for the sake of the brand and are floored come maintenance time, either you’re STUPID FOOL or BLIND or BOTH!
If you got more money, just buy ferrari LOL..
then see it burnt itself Ha ha ha~ then ppl put in youtube every ppl know ur car burnt!!! ha ha ha
dagin pangang itali satu..
sorry typo error and no edit function …
let me rephrase
it is u that is has no common sense .. infact really stupid… you want money well spent. buy a house not a car dumbfool..! no wonder ur nick sums up ur thinking
even if you buy a GTR also it will depreciate..
You want to buy house u buy lots of it wit , who cares??? So you move around wit ur house izit.. Always mentioned better buy house wit the money, how bout ppl already buy a good house n looking for a car?? Dont think izit?? Who’s the dumbfool here.. MAybe u use kereta sorong the price dont depreciate
that’s why Rm75k below still acceptable….
EVO10 it’s super boring!I’ll buy the new Waja Lancer and convert to old Waja!feel much better and confident!ppl wont laught at me :)
if proton release this Lancer-based Waja, probably Proton is making a “come-back” in the APRC rally, by using the Evo X rally car. for the past several years, Proton itself haven’t been active in rallying, only some other rally teams using Satria Neo S2000 for competition.
you never know…
Who cares what car proton sells. It’s going to be the same ass you see at the service center and the same answer ‘itu perkara biasa, boss” , “sikit-sikit pun mau komplain”, “tak boleh pi cat sendiri”….. so good luck to you all LAN-JA wannabes,,,,
wahh… 800++ comments. by hari raya, would have hit 1,000 posts! congrats to paul.
imho, a 2.0 car is not a favourite with malaysians – we prefer below 1.6. but as usual, first few months there will be a waiting period due to some strong demand.
lets look forward to 1,000!! go go paultan!!
I’m a Lancer owner for almost a year and what I liked about it is QUALITY…no need to go to SC too often like my previous Proton….Proton Lancer will definitely be cheaper and will give u extra…PROBLEMS…
I was with a Lancer owner just now at Bangsar. I tried his response by asking his opinion about the new Waja Lancer.
His response was, ” Nolah different quality one lah.” He was really do not bother at all and has zero regrets (His car plate star with WTU so I think it’s quite new). I was kinda surprised, seriously !! And I am sure he was not acting. Lancer owner is confident !!
Wait till’ Corolla Altis 2.0 to be launched end of the month! Get your thinking cap ready, i predict at lease 500 comments on rivalry and comparison with Civic 2.0! Sure one!
Will Proton offering 1.5 engine too? It is well balanced between fuel efficiency and power.
how u know?
1.5 engine, so you’re saying their gonna put a smaller engine than a persona into what supposed to be an exciting car. Ridiculous.
Hot topic… Almost 1000 comment oredi.. yeah.. Proton rules…
A very strange senario is going to happen to current Lancer owner who buy their car on loan. Their car price is going to drop drastically after the launch of WAJA. Making them not possible to sell their car,,,,,because they need to pay more to top up with the outstanding loan they owe the bank. This is called NEGATIVE EQUITY. This situation happen in Hong Kong properties a few years back.
Example:
Mr Mit bought a Lancer with 7 years 80% loan 2 years back (loan amount RM 96000) He still owe the bank RM 83k today. After WAJA launch assuming at 70k, and his 2 YEARS OLD Lancer price drop to 60k, means he has to pay 23k to the bank when he wanna sell his old Lancer. Madness !
I welcome all comment and my figures are ready to be corrected.
this so called negative equity will only happen when we loan cars more than 6 years with 80-90% loan.
calculations had proved with max loan of 5 years, the same thing will not happen. but due to
1. cars in malaysian are extremely expensive
2. average pay for average malaysians are not that high,
…many and many people cant afford to buy cars with less than 5 years loan. huhuhu…
To alldisc
i think you are in the financial sector, i wonder how can i convert car mortgage rate to it’s effective rate (the one use in housing loan)? Please advise thanks.
You are correct to mention that cars are expensive here compared to our income. A taiwanese used to complain to me how stupid is their government to allow a max 5 year car loan period. When I mentioned to him that in Malaysia car loan can have a maximum of 9 years period, he really laughed at me…….
nope my friend, not financial but i must admit i am in auto industries for the past 16 years. i was a salesman before and therefore i noted about these things….
cheers!
Proton already has a sedan car which is persona, why they need Waja again ?? They should juz scrap waja. They can upgrade current persona engine with 1.8 or 2.O with better features or with some facelifts for those wants high performance engine. If possible, those mitsu engine can be installed at the Exora which use 1.6 NA campro engine.
Proton already has a sedan car which is persona, why they need Waja again ?? They should juz scrap waja. They can upgrade current persona engine with 1.8 or 2.O with better features or with some facelifts for those wants high performance engine. If possible, mitsu engine can be installed at the Exora for better performance.
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they are sedan cars but belong to different segments, don’t be too simple minded. based on your argument, you could ask mercedes or bmw why they make so many sedans.. 3 series, 5 series, 7 series, c class, e class, s class and whatsoever…
we are not paid to answer you, think harder
each car have their own class.. Saga is basic class, small engine, low price.. persona is standard class with standard engine.. waja might be intermediate class with high performances engine (as most said it come with turbo), perdana, like it name, take the luxury(even though not luxurious enough) class..
YES..finally after long waiting…I hope Jeremy Clarkson will review to the world this new Waja Lancer what happen to Proton after 25 years of what they call Pride, Passion & Progress.
Happy and sad. Happy it’s a nice looking car, sad……what happened to our own designs?
If this was the result, sigh, all the money in R & D……time…….taxes on other cars…..all the sacrifice over the decades…..even the acquisition of Lotus and entry into F1.
Mana-lah pergi “Semangat, Malaysia Boleh” itu…..
It will sell like hotcakes, as long as the engine is reasonably fuel efficient.
Is this the post with the most comments response? This shows readers are still very interested in the national car debate over every other topic. Negative or positive comments aside, this shows the passion of national car debate is still very much popular. Paul – can you also include a feature on this website a list of top 10 most popular posts based on number of comments? I’m sure many would be interested to know.
just tried this car yesterday. handling quite good.
Which car? u mean Waja Lancer?? or the Mitsu Lancer ?
Too much commented on re-badging of proton cars..most of it negative..
Come to think of it, i think Proton is trying their best to give something that is equal to what we pay…
some people want burger that taste like McD’s, but they can only afford ‘tepi jalan burger’.does it taste like Mc’ds?..of course not..what do you expect. Want Mcd’s?..buy one laaa…
i am lovin it.. :)
well seriously, competitive price ? they should be way cheaper than all car makers. Proton is abusing the TAX system. and we are the victim!!! ISH!!!
Who cares re-badge or not, as long as CHEAP, got leather seat, low maintenance, bank interest low, lower fuel consumption (Already got small car, so doesn’t matter) & looks good (From photos got bodykits & looks OK, P1 PASS 60% “No need change & save $$$ for house”. Just rear lamp No LED and Front no Projectile Head Lamp!!! P1 change the Front & rear lamp Please + Free HID??? Price less than RM75k??? Loan 3.0% can lah~ Sure buy…. Thanks
Like it or hate it, worth so or not, this model will be rolled out by Proton anyway. Surely, this new Waja will put smiles on people who want a decent looking 60k+ new car and probably negative impacts on present Lancer owners. I’m not bothered by this cause I was never a Proton’s fan, nor I plan to buy a Mit Lancer anyway.
The only thing I’m really looking forward to would be seeing this model lining up at KLIA or LCCT as airport taxi and ready to send me home. I suppose it will be a lot more comfortable and spacious as I had experienced in my friend’s Lancer. Even if Proton’s version is not, it still looks hell a lot better than the current model lah!
comparison between korean cars,definitely go for proton which collaboration with japs tech.japs always 10 years ahead of others tech.if u ask me,the comparison for wajalancer might be in range between the civic for size and brand name proton have the touch from ( mitsubishi and lotus ride and handling). kia forte ( design ) toyota lantis ( the size and name ) in term of value for money,might go for waja lancer.hopefully the quality is better than the previous waja.
Congrate Proton….dont worry ‘KLON CAR’ I’m support u’r Proton. This is 1Malaysia car. I’m very happy with this Proton Wajalancer but please dont put that campro junk..
one thing that i like about proton is they will always offer their car in manual version. thumbs up!
proton perdana V6 is all with auto tranny. Waja 1.8 also same, juara also AT and how about their top line persona? no manual options at all.
hey malaysian…
support la… if u dont want…go another country la…
why japan so maju…becouse…rakyat maa….
they support own product…
i second you. the same reason why korean’s automotive advance is well developed, advanced and successful. but we must bear in mind also japan and korea also have more than double our population thereby giving advantage when it comes to demand.
hope this wajalancer’s power window not like the previous stupid-power-window….my waja 3 windows rosak already…rarely use pon jahanam…damn….i want my money back!
I thought u r more interested to get a white Camry ?
i think i buy Mitsubishi Lancer better than buying this car. I like Mitsubishi more =P. Anyway, i will support this car too although it copy Mitsubishi Lancer model
what a joke ! It completely copy the Mitsubishi Lancer model and even the style !!!!!! Its engine quality sure sux if compared to the real Mitsubishi Lancer !
if wanna know new proton handling good or not..u should try drive one..drive neo, or gen2 cps and than than drive vios,city or altis..but both must in std form and spec…drive faster at karak highway than u know…which car handling better….
sure proton better n fun on karak highway…
that what we call tune and handling by lotus…..std form pun sula bagus if u add Tein, eibach etc much be superb…but other aspect like parts fitting and material quality need to improve more….the problem is our local vendors..quality like shittt!! ini local vendor sapa owner haaaa…aiyoooo banyak terukk wooo…
hahaha aku tau..
New Proton Waja is EPIC!!!
Saya pemilik LancerGt ..Walau pun memula dengar cerita proton rebagged Lancer cuak gaks… ye ler beli 125k tetiba proton kluar x sampai 100k with 95 % mitsibishi ..Fikir2 peduli apa sama orang lain u pakai proton ke mitsubishi tu semua duit kita ..kita punya pasal lar… betul tak? orang kata tepuk dada tanya selera … walaupun kuciwa but deep in my heart i proud to be Malaysian. Welcome New Waja make Proton proud product don’t be like before …… huhuhu Dunia sentiasa berubah…. hehehe
i do not know about you guys, but i can see stainless steel windows trim here
http://paultan.org/photo/index.php?album=waja-lancer-buletin-utama-tv3&image=3.jpg
and here
http://paultan.org/photo/index.php?album=masjid-lancer-proton&image=14.jpg
can editor or anyone confirm on these, please.
i think that is just a chrome window moulding. we can even get one made for wira, waja and persona – specifically made by kedai abang’s.
I have just booked a persona . Now I want this proton lancer . Thanks to you all ——- proton bashers’ and die – hard proton supporters’ advice and opinion. TQ .
After read all of the comment. Lots of ppls condemn about Campro Engine
I own the IAFM Persona version(manual) with 16 inch Avanti 7kg rim
At 1st when i drive this car, i hate it so much, i am feel so hard to push the car moving forward. How come the car engine respond is so slow.
after 6 months put study on my own style of driving ( the way i drive Japanese car), its totally cant match it.
Now without additional tools or adjustment on the engine, i can make the car pick up faster…
All i can saying diff type of engine hv diff way of driving it. By understanding the engine habit then only u can maximize its power. Just like when u love your gf..
cheers
Back to talking about the waja, i think there is the same chrome strip found on the perdana replacement. The rear bumper looks ok.
Wondering how much Proton will sell it…
Rebadge for RM65k-70k??? Will this worth the price?
We must know tat NO “MASSIVE” production cost needed to produce this car as it’s a Rebadge car, not like previous Gen2, neo, saga.
It’s cheaper for Proton. But will they lower more on the selling price?
65~75k? sell like hot cakes!!! cheap & worth…..
Never seen a post with so many comments… 1034 comments.. wow…
hahaha. now a become the 1035. i hope my lucky nombor…
after 25 yrs, I would expect something much better. How can you call yourself automotive maker? just rebadge and assemble.
Its okay to rebadge, but I guess most of us would want something that we can’t get here. Take MyVI/passo .. we can’t get passo here, hence we have Myvi which is doing so well.
P1 should go look for some car which we don’t have here and rebadge. Then it won’t look so bad on them.
Competitive price means same price range. Hopefully OTR price should be within +/- $10k of mitsu lancer. Then this way we all have our own choices..
i owned a lancer. I enjoyed my car every second i am driving it.
Frustrated by proton..YES
but i think we will have cheaper parts.. if Lotus handling is better than ours.. i change mine to the waja’s. Body Kit will be cheaper..
if the pricing is around 80 to 90k.. someone who wants to own it must be earning around 3000 above.
at the end of the day.. if you are satisfied with the car.. you dont care what other says : if you can afford to buy lambo.. why you want buy BMW.. if you can afford to buy TAG Heuer why you want to buy casio? but it is you money.. you deserve to spend it the way you like it..
From business wise.. yeah true,,Proton can save a lot by doing this. Mitsu also benefit from this.. this is a win-win situation. nothing consumer can do due to AFTA.
Please dont pity us.. coz we drove the car for the last 2/3 years and enjoyed it. The best part of owning the car.. i was able to meet other car enthusiast and later become their friends..that is priceless to me. the friendship i gained from owning the cars means a lot.
lastly Good luck proton.. my advice..pricing must be right with the interest rate coming up again.
and best wishes to all potential new Wajalancer owner.. come and find me.. i will tell you where to get good deal on the accessories or parts.. who knows..you too can be a good friend in the near future.
thats the spirit,
why kutuk here why kutuk there, we are loosing instead of gaining. every enthusiast must work toward the improvement or uplifting for one’s or our enthusiasm,
be rational and open minded. every product machine every product chassis do have their own specialty and best of all is to get to know each other and knowledge flourished and more friends around,
those benefits us and improves our machine if we response maturely for the betterment of the product, the car or the company.
This is what we wanted to hear from a “real” owner of Mitsu lancer.. I support your comments and valuable words from you regarding the sharing of knowledge. Hope P comes out with good car with good quality. Feel proud that you’re Mitsu Lancer owner. Hopes P makes us such a way to the WajaLancer owners in near future….
you should be proud bro,,coz you already 3 years enjoy the technology…while we here delay by 3 years… and it also prove that new buyer have less money then you,,hehe
SeaM,
How to contact you? because i want to know where to get good deals on accessories or parts. I’m serious
wow low…..congrat to rakyat malaysia > very interesting in the future of proton….great job proton > 1000+++ comment.
paul > please add new update / topic of new waja lancer…….and proton satria gofl if proton have it in mind!!!!
Tak perlu bertegang lidah disebabkan keluaran terbaru Proton yg meng”klon” Mitsubishi Lancer.. Tak usah nak dibandingkan dengan pengeluar kereta besar yang pasarannya lebih besar berbanding Proton. Nak dibandingkan dengan kereta keluaran Korea & China? Beli MAHAL nak jual giler-2 punya jatuh harga… Apa maknanya BERKUALITI tapi NILAI pada pasaran tempatan RENDAH? Hyundai Sonata persis Jaguar jika dilihat dari belakang. Dengan aksesori dalaman yang kemas. Enjin 2.0. Begitu juga KIA Spectra. Cantik sekali rupabentuknya. Nak beli baru lebih RM70k. Berbanding harga WAJA yg lebih murah. TETAPI apa bezanya nilai semasa(terpakai) kedua-2 kereta Sonata & Spectra dengan Waja 1.6 keluaran Malaysia skrg?
Kuasa MEMBELI di tangan pembeli. Jika MAMPU membeli yang lebih baik, terpulang pada anda. Kos maintenance pon anda yang nak bayar. At least dengan adanya keluaran Proton, memberi peluang juga buat golongan yang tak mampu untuk memiliki sebuah kereta yg bentuknya persis kereta import. 2nd value tak perlu risau sebagaimana membeli kereta keluaran korea @ china. Dalam erti kata lain tak lah RUGI BANYAK berbanding membeli keluaran Korea/China. Rosak??? Beli kereta mana pon akan rosak. At least bila rosak tak le mahal sangat kosnya. Dah le beli mahal, spare part pon mahal. Nak dijual murah plak harganya. Then nyesal tak sudah.
permisi..permisi…
1) boleh sy tahu mengapa kereta import jauh lebih mahal berbanding kereta nasional? – disebabkan tax yang dikenakan oleh government kepada kereta import supaya memaksa pembeli menggunakan kereta nasional. jika tidak,kita MAMPU mengubahnya,
2) perbandingan di atas bukan untuk menyuruh pengguna membeli kereta import.perbandingan itu hanya untuk mengingatkan kedudukan proton sekarang.telah ditubuhkan lebih awal dr pengeluar China & Korea,tetapi produk yang dikeluarkan adalah jauh lebih rendah drpd mereka.adakah proton tidak berkembang?bangunan di sebelah kesas dah cantik dah,hehe…
agreed.
nk bg tau.. pasaran kereta kat cina boleh cecah 8 juta unit setahun. korng tau kan kenapa harga getah mahal,tau kan??? so tak hairan la compny cina boleh lebih maju sbb banyak untung.. jangan lupa pasal kes susu cina.. faham kan????
pls go and read more , koreans make cars before malaysians
hopefully ‘competitive price’ yg dicanangkan oleh proton will be the “real and truly competitive price” for malaysian people
kalu harga 80K and above dgn interest 4%++ rasenye buat loan sampai 9 taun pon still lagi satu beban utk ‘intermediate’ people
so market utk intermediate level people awal2 lagi proton dah lost kalu harga dan interest tinggi sangat
ya aku setuju.. sbb aku nak beli satu.. lantak la org kata aper janji best nk bawak..
sok 16 sept…jom ramai2 pi P1, something “boom” will happens : )
what is it?
brapa booking fee agak agak?
aku rase at least 500 ke 1k kot
RM 800 kot…
bapak aku bli saga 1985, import dari jepun n pasang d malaysia. dh 25 thn, aku gna g keje, sgt ok smpai skrg. wlwpun spec dl n skrg mcm lngit n bumi la kan. xde airbag. haha. bangga je aku. ni waja lancr ni, awal2 msti bnyk part mitsu, korang agak blh thn lagi 25 thn ke @ hancus sblm tu?
slagi tak hentam aper2 n pandai jga 50thun pun tahan.. yer la barang jepun bkan barang malaysia.. barang malaysia tau nak kondem jer 2 sbb malaysia belum maju2.. barang malaysia tak setading jepun la katakan.. yer la aper2 hasil kerja dari tangan kita yg kita buat bukan bagus pun, yer tak “barang2 malaysia”.. keta proton 2 tah saper yg buat tah.. bukan dari kaum kerabat kita gak kan.. yer la barang malaysia.. aku pasti aper jer keje yg ko buat mesti tak setanding jepun.. ko pun buat kerja cincai2 jer kan.. yer la “barang malaysia” kan.. setahu aku enjin waja baru ni datang dalam kotak mcm enjin savvy.. masuk kilang terus pasang dlm body keta, so barang jepun mesti tahan nyer kan.. injin nyer lah la tahan 50 tahun.. barang jepun… selamat lah komer.. “barang2 malaysia” kekalian.. ermmm entah lah nasib…
ok per, kita tunggu wira yg peratusan brg buatan malaysia tu tinggi thn 25thn, kira ok la tu. wira thn brape kuar? 1996 ek? 2021 nnti, wira masih gagah menyusur di jalan raya. (tang tu aku susah nk percaya)
Jiran aku kerja P1. Harga kete ni, dia kata around 80K ++. Aku nak tengok dulu kete ni. Harga OK dah tu. Tapi kalo nak beli, tunggu yg 2nd batch and afer that…
2nd batch campro turbo..
dgrnya kreta ni dlancarkn 16 september.. btol ker?? kalo btol mmg aku nk serang showroom proton ni.. bminat dgn waja bru ni
I want this car so bad and test crash!anyway i love this car!
nampaknya proton masih lagi sama macam 25 tahun yg lalu… kalau setakat nk pasang skirting then takuar logo kemudian tu jual 80/90 ribu baik x payah!!!!!!!
proton never learn from mistake!!!!!!!!
Kesian kat bro… Dah 25 tahun kite merdeka tapi x tahu nak Berkata kata. Baik g blaja balik.
Ah, bye the way, kalau nak tahu REBADGE nh antara cara perniagaan automotif paling kurang rugi dan paling cepat dapat untung.
Nak tahu lebih banyak, sila rujuk dengan PERODUA.
PERODUA x pernah bercerai dgn partnernya TOYOTA & DAIHATSU maka tidak ada cacat/salahnya jika terus mengeluarkan model2 bersama atas LOGO PERODUA….
tapi proton 25 tahun masih lagi tercari2 identiti!!!!!!!!
macam mana nak bercerai kalau perodua tu milik toyota/daihatsu????
proton lakukan ini untuk menambah jumlah dana selain daripada penukaran platform…..
untuk bangunkan model baru sekurang2nya setengah bilion ringgit [500 juta ++]… karang kalau buat jugak, rugi plak proton, nanti siapa marah dan kutuk??? orang orang malaysia yang tipikal….
perodua bagus sebab vendor dia bagus, kalau dorang tengok kualiti vendor tak bagus, dia bagi peluang untuk memperbaiki sebelum mereka cari vendor lain… dah nama orang jepun [kalau tak mana datang 5S, kaizen, six sigma dan sebagainya….]… proton, vendor dia tak bagus, pastu tutup mata…
apa apa pun proton perlukan sokongan kita semua dalam menempuh dugaan dan cabaran…
1st untuk bangunkan model baru sekurang2nya US$ SATU bilion yop.. bukan setengah bilion,, jagan lupa nk buat testing gak kerta 2, setup kilang blum lagi2..
2nd perodua bagus sebab vendor dia bagus? salah bro, vendor perodua dengan proton samer jer, naza, tcm, hicom sekali la, saper lg nak buat.. yg lain 2 pun cikit2 jer.. perodua pun ada buat part proton.. ooups… terlepas cakap lak.. heheh sorry proton..
aku tau vendor ni ada prblm, setup kilang bukan murah yop, buat keta bukan buat mee magi.. modal kena besar.. lama2 ok lar..
vendor p2 dgn p1 sama gak bro
kebanyakan vendor ni bukan supply untuk satu company jer bro..honda, p2, p1, piagio export ke luar etc2..kadang2 ada barang dieorang datang dari vendor yang sama. but, kualiti base on permintaan company2 ni. nak kualiti bagus, harga pun kene bagus la. jadi tak betul jugak kita cakap vendor barang tadak kualiti..bcoz vendor buat barang base on permintaan n spec customer2 dieorangg (p1, p2, honda, etc2).
kalau nak rebadge, p1 kena buat dgn betul2. jgn sampai pengguna yg kena tanggung.
kejap power window, kejap bonet msk air, kejap central locking, kejap wiring problem terbakar enjin.. mcm mcm jerk.
kereta keluaran perodua kurang bermasalah kalau dibanding dgn proton.
kereta yg di rebadge oleh perodua juga tiada dlm pemasaran kami, tetapi proton skrg ni rebadge mitsu lancer yg ada di pemasaran kami.
cuba pikirkan. mitsu lancer kereta jepun import yg kena tax tinggi tinggi cuma harga $119,619.10. Sedangkan harga wajalancer diantara $80k-$90k yg tidak dikena tax tinggi. Mana lebih mahal ? kalau nak competitive price $80k x 300% = $240,000K NAH itu competitive price.
saya x tau la plak yg proton x kene tax. Setahu saya Tax proton mencecah 20K sebuah. Walaupun rebadge.
Tapi ayat ” kereta yg di rebadge oleh perodua juga tiada dlm pemasaran kami” . Awak sebenarnye dok kat ,mane? INDON?
bro sabar.. dia org ni dari permikir dunia ker 5.. jangan terasa sangat bro nanti dia org tau ko org proton.. buat tak tau jer yg penting kita ker hadapan.. biar diaorg duk dlm tempurung..
saudara indon,
bile masa kereta proton x kene tax sedangkan ayat aku ” Sedangkan harga wajalancer diantara $80k-$90k yg tidak dikena tax tinggi. ”
dah bahasa melayu ko x paham gua kene type dlm bahasa indon.
$20k tax utk sebiji kereta x sampai pun 100% tax,
mitsu lancer harga $120k bahagi 300% = harga sblm tax $40k.
ish untung plak kalo proton jual wajalancer dgn harga $40k hu hu hu
bro..klau u nak tau, harga keta di tentukan oleh kerajaan…bukan proton…klau nak tau harga material nak buat body panel tu dalam rm30k…pastu ngan kerajaan nyer tax lagi…
n then saper kata keta perodua takder masalah…kalau dipikir balik hanya myvi jer yang berjaya dijual…itu pon myvi auto..myvi manual banyak problem….dan perodua bukan rebadge tetapi adalah child company toyota…strategy toyota utk jual kete d malaysia…avanza pasang kat perodua….so produa hanya follow TPS yg dah sedia ada…pasal rebadge citroen pon amik mitsubishi nyer model rebadge pastu jual atas nama citroen…
Wow ! saw its last night at Air Keroh R&R .. very nice .. sale will DBOOMM !!
lancer gt ke waja baru?
u nmpk keta tu still camouflaged ke dah full revealed?
setuju lepas 25 tahun baru proton sedar nak belajar dgn P2 camna nak buat duit ngan rebadge. dulu malu2 kucing cakap taknak tiru strategi P2 pasal taknak hilang identiti la bla2 ….takyah cakap pusing2….bagus la pekerja proton dah banyak sedar pas ni rebadge banyak2 lagi ya….
bukan dari proton putra, proton wira dulu dah rebadge ke?
lancer Sixth generation (1991-1995)
Boleh tak rebadge Evo X pastu jual RM150,000.00. Tak boleh sebab Polis Trafik dah beli banyak..
To Proton Management.
Clue number one – kalau re-badge, make sure tukar badge je OK, jangan pulak tukar komponen-komponen dalam tu dengan your local & current vendor. Alamat power window jem lepas dua tiga hari pakai nanti. Ingat..keyword RE-BADGE! (R.E.B.A.D.G.E)!
Clue number two – please treat your customer as humanly as possible. Tak caya, drop by to your showroom & SC and distribute survey form to your loyal customers…or go to Japanese/European carmakers and learnt how they respect their customers..keyword RESPECT (R.E.S.P.E.C.T)!
other clues – I have more but I am in a middle of a break..next time..subject to demands..
OK
TQ
bila cust pergi sc/shwroom lambang ‘luar negara’, cust punya respect pd staff d situ tinggi(sbb sy rasa org msia msih mengagung2kn jenama luar)…org malaysia pergi sc/shroom ‘local’, cust dah mindset nak taruk staff2 kat situ dgn pengetahuan yg cetek…pastu kondem plak staff situ…saper nak respect cust mcm nie?? sama2 belajar OK! i kdg2 bnyk share knowledge dgn cust yg sporting…org mcm ni lagi bagus nak di RESPECT….
I guess they’re try to merealisasikan the wajalution dream.
kalau sesape nak beli, baik beli model awal coz semua parts dari Japan, nanti utk masss production dan vendor dah bersedia baru diorg pasang parts dr malaysia punya..
aku nak tanya kepada sesiapa yang tau..
1) kenapa harga kereta malaysia (proton and perodua) mahal tapi kualiti rendah..contohnya gen 2,persona,myvi..harga dalam area rm 50,000….
tapi kereta import mcm honda city,suzuki swift,kia forte baru dlm rm 80,000..padahal kereta luar kena cukai 300%..
so..maksudnya..kalau kereta honda city xkena cukai yg tinggi harga baru dalam rm 28,000..murah kan dan berkualiti..
tapi gen2 or myvi rm 50,000..cukai rendah je..so..harga sebelum cukai rm 35,000..
bandingkan sendiri dari segi harga dan kualiti..
harga sebelum cukai…
gen 2 / persona / myvi = RM 35,000 tapi kualiti rendah
honda city / swift / kia = RM 28,000 tapi kualiti tinggi
kenapa??sape yg tau??
cukai 300% tu bro utk keta impot sepenuhnya saja (CBU).
keta yang di pasang dalam negara tak kena cukai tu. keta yang dipasang dalam negara ASEAN pun tak kena cukai bro sbb termasuk dalam pejranjian AFTA.
apa yg kerajaan lakukan skrg ialah bermain dari segi cukai eksais dan duti, yg tidak tertakluk pada perjanjian AFTA.
siapa cakap honda city kualiti tinggi? cuba duduk kat pusat servis honda selama 1 jam dan kita boleh dengar macam2 komplen pasal honda city dari segi kualiti produk.
u pegi pusat servis toyota pun sama. BMW pun takde beza.
so kalau pasang kt thailand patut vios trd murah la.. ni mesti umw dgn salesman amek untung belas2 ribu ni
aku nak tanya kepada sesiapa yang tau..
1) kenapa harga kereta malaysia (proton and perodua) mahal tapi kualiti rendah..contohnya gen 2,persona,myvi..harga dalam area rm 50,000….
tapi kereta import mcm honda city,suzuki swift,kia forte baru dlm rm 80,000..padahal kereta luar kena cukai 300%..
so..maksudnya..kalau kereta honda city xkena cukai yg tinggi harga baru dalam rm 28,000..murah kan dan berkualiti..
tapi gen2 or myvi rm 50,000..cukai rendah je..so..harga sebelum cukai rm 35,000..
bandingkan sendiri dari segi harga dan kualiti..
harga sebelum cukai…
gen 2 / persona / myvi = RM 35,000 tapi kualiti rendah
honda city / swift / kia = RM 28,000 tapi kualiti tinggi
kenapa??sape yg tau????
jawapan mestilah padat dan lengkap..
sape yg tak tau..xyah ngade2 buat buat tau..
ntah..
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5479/tax2006.jpg
check kat sini.. ade latest lagi ??
aku nak tanya kepada sesiapa yang tau….
1) kenapa harga kereta malaysia (proton and perodua) mahal tapi kualiti rendah..contohnya gen 2,persona,myvi..harga dalam area rm 50,000….
tapi kereta import mcm honda city,suzuki swift,kia forte baru dlm rm 80,000..padahal kereta luar kena cukai 300%..
so..maksudnya..kalau kereta honda city xkena cukai yg tinggi harga baru dalam rm 28,000..murah kan dan berkualiti..
tapi gen2 or myvi rm 50,000..cukai rendah je..so..harga sebelum cukai rm 35,000..
bandingkan sendiri dari segi harga dan kualiti..
harga sebelum cukai…
gen 2 / persona / myvi = RM 35,000 tapi kualiti rendah
honda city / swift / kia = RM 28,000 tapi kualiti tinggi
kenapa??sape yg tau??????
if you are wise enough you should read the whole topics about proton and get the answers, it’s discussed quite a number of time, it’s much better rather than asking the same questions many times without doing the searching first
honda city rega kat langkawi tanpa tax dalm 60 k beb, swift and kia, tax ckd, hampir sama dengan tax kete proton. lu dapat mana fakta 300%??? check ckit rega kat langkawi n labuan tanpa tax, bukan susah,masuk website toyota@honda malaysia. kang kalu cakap bodoh kang marah
hahaha…bagi la peluang kat proton nak belajar rebadge….asyik perodua je top sale…..org proton teringin gak…
Jawapan untuk Malaysian…
Dalam ilmu ekonomi ada teori ‘pengeluaran dengan skala besar akan mengurangkan kos’. Honda, swift dan kia disasarkan untuk pengeluaran global dan justeru itu dikeluarkan lebih banyak daripada proton.
Sekiranya diandaikan proton mengeluarkan 50 ribu unit Persona setahun, dan jika dibandingkan dengan pengeluaran 100 ribu honda city dalam tahun yang sama, bermakna kos pengeluaran Honda dapat dikurangkan kerana:
1. Kos peralatan yang ditempah lebih banyak menjadi lebih murah.
Ini berbanding kereta tempatan yang fokus sasaran adalah di Malaysia, menyebabkan kos pengeluaran menjadi tinggi kerana:
1. Kos peralatan yang ditempah lebih kecil berbanding Honda…secara tak langsung kos menjadi tinggi.
Faktor kedua adalah peranan Kerajaan sendiri dalam menetapkan harga kereta di pasaran yang banyak menyentuh polisi kerajaan, ekonomi dan juga faktor sosial.
say what you wanna say bashers, one thing for sure..this model will sell like hot pisang goreng!! hehe
current waja sales : 200-300 unit per month,
vios: more than 2000 unit per month,
if the waja lancer price is between 75-100k, i think vios sales would drop, and Toyota salesman would be worry…
out put cpcty 400unit per day, x5=2000, x4= 8000. so 8000unit per month… goring pisang panas…. hehehehe…
that why they keep negative thing on this waja.. perang saraf…
75k below, City, vios, forte, sure drop…. Forte sales also so so only here…. can count using finger….
n after tht will flood all the workshops, road sides and scrap yards cauz broken down after 1 month….
proton has produced more than 3 million cars, but i never see proton workshop flooded within a month like you mentioned. and i never heard anybody sending their car to scrapyard just after 1 month, pembohong la u… u must be a Toyota salesman like I said above.. worried eh? just be patient ya, when Toyota do another facelift to dugong and increase the price again, you might get your bonus….
Ramai jgk yang defend proton keluar kete waja baru ni.. tapi yang byk defend tu beli la model ni bila launch nanti.. jgn cakap je byk.. tp xbeli. yang hati malaysia tu, bila dah beli jgn duk cungkil logo proton kebanggaan Malaysia korang tu untuk ganti dgn logo mitsubishi plak.. itu bukan org malaysia namanya, xbangga dgn proton. tapi aku rasa ramai yang cakap nak beli waja ni akan convert ke mitsubishi lancer sbb malu nak bawa waja baru ni atas jalan. nanti org awam akan ketawa kecil, dan owner lancer plak akan ketawa besar bila nampak waja baru ni. :-)
Is that so !!!! Maybe i’m among the first malaysian to own this rebadge and I’m among the first ketawakan real lancer ownner…..sebab i bijak (dpt harga lebih murah).
Sorry “selamat hari raya”
The New Waja 1.8L engine delivers performance where it matters. The new inline-4 DOHC 16 Valve powerplant comes with cutting edge features – Drive-By-Wire Throttle Control for crisp, instantaneous response to varied driving conditions and Variable Valve Timing (VVT) for broad power and torque delivery.
source : EON
msg to paul
plzz cari cerita pasa proton aluminum engine block, dengr cita proton tengah setup kilang casting tuk part aluminum kat shah alam… and pasal campro turbo.. lama sangat tak up date.. plzzzz
hope they will copy the power window mechanism as well hahahahahahaha,another joke from the joker for the bodohannnnn!!!!!! copy copy copy,try and buy a fake levis and see,gatal ponggong maaaaa!!!
ouhh husshh wif u all bashers..just wait and see the performance on the road 1st then we can argue la…ni blom on the road lg da bising2..i wonder there’ll be lots of this car lovers nnt..but sympathy goes to the lancer owners..
Just wait next year dude
Persona R is coming…..
‘R’UBBISH
Should bring in the 1.5 version instead, it’s one of the best C-segment sedan with gd fuel economic in sg market now.
Googled and found out that the name is Proton Inspira, don’t know whether it’s true or not. Some sites even show the full uncovered front hood. Looks good to me, will surely grab one!
Here the pic from funtastickodesign:
http://funtastickodesign.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/10082010905.jpg?w=614&h=460
Look awesome!
sick!! this is awesome man!!!!
Nicely designed face…. Great.. awaiting to check it out in the showroom… :)
no doubt, they will be a lot people buying this car and convert it to lancer. still yet to convince consumer to be proud in what they buy.
yeah…proud to be ‘copycat’…go for it
one this car is out..beli,then go to work shop..tuka sume logo balik ke mitsubishi..tuka body kit skali..nahhh..siap satu lancer yg baru..they cant tell which is lancer ori ait?heheh….
I just hope the price and quality are justified, I don’t care Proton or Mitsubishi, so long it is good. By the way, what happen to Campro, cannot improved d? Max is 1.6 DOHC CPS? Cannot improved to 1.8 or 2.0… etc???
Poor LeBronJames, seems like you don’t know anything about car?
Do you know how much cost to upgrade the engine?? Do you know the tooling cost?? Do you know the cost if development?? Please have a study first before you give your statement…
Hi somebody_else,
You are right, I have no idea how much to upgrade and engine, maybe you can help me out with the figure? Anyway, my point is, since Proton has invested in Campro, why not they continue to improve on it since they claim that campro is good. I really hope one day Campro can compare to V-TEC / VVT-I.
By the way, Exora is coming out turbo version good start.
Hi Lebron,
Proton invented CPS something similiar V-Tec/Vvti already.
no.. cps is not something similar to VVti but Vtec. vvti wont let ur car speed much but a Vtec can.. u can feel faster and oomph with the acceleration from Vtec and CPS
Proton Waja Lancer???
Pity for those who bought ori Lancer…
People will say”…alah…sudah beli Proton Waja tak payah la ganti logo mitsubishi pulak”
Saya pemilik Lancer.. mmg amat puas hati pakai kete ni. Rasa bangga juga bila proton jadikan new Waja… tapi jgn hanya nampak sama tapi kualiti teruk.. harap utamakan kualiti.. kalu harga 85-90 ribu utk 1.8 mcm mahal je sbb kereta National. Ori Lancer pun hanya 35 ribu sebelum cukai.. (Import) Dulu pun pernah pakai 3 model proton tahu mcm mana.. dari model lama mmg ok gak.. sampai ke Waja kualiti makin teruk… banding dgn Korean car pun jauh beza kualitinya (sebelum beli Lancer)
Harap pertingkatkan kualiti baru dapat bersaing dgn pengeluar kereta lain.. Baru la Malaysia Boleh.. baru la bangga..
Utamakan KUALITI.. Design proton okk… mcm NEO.. Cun ape.. Kualiti !!!!!!
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Front View:
http://funtastickodesign.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/waja-lancer-1.jpg?w=614&h=460
Rear View:
http://funtastickodesign.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/waja-lancer-2.jpg?w=614&h=460
saved. :)
Nice front bumper, better than rendered version..anyway saved this image. :)
Nice Front view, for me the color i prefer will be white…
its not a downgrade or just mere rebadge just like some other brands do.
hope the price is not too expensive.
if the price is not much different from the lancer gt, i guess people might go for lancer gt instead.
where’s the sporty look…like a truck!!!
sorry off topic, Ramai yang xfaham sangat pasal ride and handling. Termasuklah aku sendiri sehingga membaca n mendapatkan maklumat dari membaca dan kawan2 proton n r3.tapi masih lagi complicated untuk difahami, tapi cukuplah untuk mengatakan ride and handling bukanlah semudah menukar shock absorber dan spring sahaja.
Secara ringkasnya bleh dibahagikan kepada 9 bahagian 1) Steering response 2) Steering linearity 3)Handling straight line 4) handling cornering 5)handling lane change 6) ride quality body control 7)ride quality wheel control 8)ride comfort 9)steering effort.
Itu secara ringkasnya, tapi secara mendalamnya, ia terbahagi kepada bahagian, 1)STEERING, 2)HANDLING, 3)RIDE.
Dalam steering, ia terbahagi kepada 10 bahagian, 1)effort level 2)effort build up 3)parking effort 4)returnability 5)on-centre response 6)off-centre response 7)handwheel angle(ratio) 8)kick back 9)effort linearity 10)response linearity.
Manakala dalam handling, ia terbahagi kepada 6 bahagian, 1)tracking stability 2)cornering grip level 3)Under/oversteer balance 4)lift off in a turn 5)yaw stability 6)ease of control
Manakala ride pula terbahagi kepada 7 bahagian, 1)pitch control 2)roll angle control 3)roll rate(damping) 4)un-sprung shake 5)rolling comfort 6)large impact feel 7)small impact feel
So, memang complicated ride and handling ni, sebab tu engineer mitsupun kagum dengan proton n lotus bila diaorang buat perubahan pada lancer untuk pengganti waja. Bagi basher and typical Malaysian, diaorang ingat mudah, tapi xsemudah yang disangka. Tapi salah proton jugak xmenerangkan pada orang ramai. Hanya terdapat pada brochure internal circulation ajer. Itu pun yang ringkas 9 bahagian tu jer. Memangla dalam internal circulation diorang buat perbandingan dengan competitor, tapi untuk public, stakat tunjuk perbandingan sama2 kete proton @ tunjuk model itu saja pun cukuplah. Tapi kalu tengok 9 bahagian ringkas ride and handling bandingkan kete proton, Toyota dan Honda, ramai yg terkezut nanti betapa jauhnya beza ride and handling kete proton berbanding dengan kete2 yang diaorang agung2kan.
Agreed.. Even my Accord cannot match…
Betul tu. Proton punya Ride & Handling memang terbaik berbanding kereta yg sama dalam kelasnya dari jenama Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mitsubishi. Proton punya teknologi Ride & Handling adalah gabungan kerjasama antara Proton sendiri dgn Lotus. Aku berani cakap yang model-model Proton yang baru-baru sekarang ni punya Ride & Handling memang terbaik dalam kelasnya walaupun enjin Campro masih boleh dipertikaikan pick-upnya. Proton masih ketinggalan dari segi gearbox yg masih guna Mitsubishi punya gearbox & enjin Campro je-lemah, tork kurang, pick-up kurang tapi berkuasa pada kelajuan tinggi.
Teknologi Ride & Handling Proton + Lotus ni diguna kat semua model Proton bermula tahun 2004 Gen2, Savvy, Satria Neo, Persona, Waja Campro, Saga BLM & Exora. Ini yg terbaru diguna kat Waja-Lancer pulak. Memang la walaupun keta Proton selalu ketinggalan dgn keta-keta Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mitsubishi pada kelajuan rendah (Low End Speed) sebab enjin Campro pickupnya lemah, tapi kalau kat corner tajam/corner tak tajam, jalan selekoh-selekoh, keta Protonlah yg paling bagus Ride & Handlingnya. Siap boleh cucuk keta-keta Jepun ni kat selekoh.
Aku dah pernah bawak vios, city, sentra, civic lama, civic 1.8, lancer 1.6. Enjin memang power. Enjin teknologi Jepunlah katakan. Tapi dari segi Ride & Handling keta-keta ni kalah dgn keta Proton walaupun dgn Persona Base Line jer. Aku pernah bawak keta-keta ni dan keta-keta generasi baru Proton punya Ride & Handling memang superb berbanding keta-keta yang disebut di atas.
will get it one soon! :)
Hey I heard ppl saying that the 1st badge of waja replacement model will be a cbu unit from mmc cos p1 do not have enough time to reproduce it… izzit true??? if, yes then can book 1 dy… mmc quality with p1 price…
hurrmm…. wut can i say here ” it’s not easy to satisfy all ppl heart, needs and wants”.. different ppl have different point of views.. ppl can talked wuteva they want..even you dont like sumthin pls dont hurt ppl who has working hardly too much…ppl can give opinion in a good way..give compliment first then start with ” but i think if proton ……………..would be much better” (this doesnt mean u r hypocrite).. they not a fish and dont hurt them to much in a cutting board..
How come nearly October 2010 oled, no anymore spyshot or sneak peak new proton on tralier truck??? Are they seriously and prepare to launch the model??I believe if the car design is too similar to lancer must not be used as copyright issue. So far, has proton factory mass production of this new Pronton Lancer??Any one has seen proton factory assembly the car??Pls post some foto so we can see more. But after all, i gonna get real Lancer as this car is good under MMM badge, not Proton Badge. U know la, proton quality good till what extend.
i want it under proton coz i want LOTUS ride and handling
you won’t get it under Mitsu badge
quality wise is not a worry since proton cars are much better now
i think its not cbu, but heard that 70% of its parts come directly from mitsu japan(major parts) bring to malaysia and assemble in shah alam(can we say that as ckd) where only 30% of parts come from local vendors(minor parts such as bumper, tyres, rims, absorbers and etc. i think that it is becoz to reduce cost due to expansive tooling and easier to control the quality of the parts.
agree with you..body also stamping here i guess
knpe hrus tiru product lain?
do u guys think those pic u guys have seen is 100% confirm is the design will be launch? i dun think so.. when b4 satria neo gonna launch,we seen all the pic from the net are not same as the real 1! i dun think this is the real waja pic..but almost same..maybe came out the lights will be different or something different! and my friend work in proton factory(sha alam)he say its only 1.6…. dun have 1.8 or 2.0 what u hear 1.8 or 2.0 are fake! dun know is true or not? have anybody have heard of it?
alamak another copied product ka..with some minor changes it will b remodeled after proton.what a shame..all design with no quality will undeniably make it another hype ..especialy with all eager malaysian..beli lepas tu merana…id rather drive a real mitsubishi or no lancer at all…..but wait…either or..il still get stuck in jams right?
I just make a count for u guys who want to pucharse a new waja.
Mitsubishi lancer 2.0 (MIVEC & CVT Gearbox)
Price RM124.000
downpayment RM12’400
balance RM111’600 X 3.3% = RM3682.8 X 9 = RM33’145.2 + RM111’600 = RM144’745.2 } 108 = RM1340 per month
Honda Civic 1.8 (i VTEC)
Price RM113’000
downpayment RM11’300
balance RM101’700 X 3.3% = RM3356.1 X 9 = RM30’204.5 + RM101’700 = 131’904.5 } 108 = RM1221 per month
Proton waja 1.8 or 2.0 (Campro & rojak gearbox)
Price RM85’000
downpayment RM8’500
balance RM76’500 X 4.3%(Proton or Perodua interest rate is higher than others)=RM3289.5 X 9 = RM29’605.5 + RM76’500 =RM106’105.5 } 108 =RM982
MITSUBISHI LANCER (Downpayment different RM3900 & everymonth different RM358)
HONDA CIVIC (Downpayment different RM2800 & everymonth different RM239
)
U pay almost RM1000 per month do u still want to drive a PROTON (Local pruduct + lousy quality + low second hand value)
If u still prefer the WAJA then just go ahead but u will regret as the price u pay.
(Ya,its a LANCER looks but no matter how u change the bumber or logo it is still a PROTON WAJA) Good lucks proton supporter.
car survey of the year….ur my man of the yr…always wanted to show this knuckle heads on the real price of their protongs but too lazy to entertain them….u did me a favor…..they keep saying thyr getting a proton with Japs reliability….my foot la…with Proton hign interest rate, the price difference is reduced greatly…n using Japs parts are just a gimmick for the 1st 50 cars or so just to get stupid malaysians conned and then bac to old n lousy proton parts for the next decade….n we wil have wajunk all over again
why 9 years? why not 5 years? RM358 per month for 9 years is a significant sum of money if you consider the opportunity cost, present value of RM27K or future value of RM56K (at 8% p.a rate)… car survey of the year konon…
kami banyak duit apa ada hal,
is it 358 worth of money, u can used it for ur fuel for one month?at least for me. and by the way, 70% of the part come from mitsu japan and 100% of its engine and gearbox come from mitsu plant in japan. by the way, the proton gearbox used for campro engine is made in japan(mitsu).
and by the way, new waja engine is 4b11 and 4b10 from the same engine in lancer
i think for waja 2.0 price around 95K++
so, 95K, downpayment 9.5K, loan 85.5K = montly RM1098 ~ 9yrs.
Haha..sapa yang nak beli boleh beli…goodluck. Xmampu bayar jangan jual nanti kena topup banyak.. hehehehe. majulah proton untuk rakyat malaysia…
Mitsubishi Lancer GT 2.0 OTR Price kat Langkawi = RM73,000.. Waja LANCER 1.8 nanti patut ke RM70K – 75K???????????????????????
aku dah bengang tahap dah ni, .skang da 10 aribulan. mane jadah waja ni x kuar2 nih. teaser/iklan kt TV PON XDE! bodoh ke ape proton ni…wat customer duk nuggu2 mcm ni. jgn sampai aku g sodok ngan buldozer kilang p1 !!
CEPAT La weIIIIIIIIIIIII !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kalau jimat minyak for sure aku angkat.
its a rebadge car, not copycat. ;)
i heard on the net tht p1 are going to hve a soft launch of this model this saturday..(16/10/10)..anyone frm p1 can verify this???..
yup 16/10/10 soft launch & 11/11/10 official launch tunggguuuuuu
after seeing so many protongs cars down on road side due to over heating in recent bas crash accident along the highways…i have to consider more whether issit worth give protongs another chance?? sigh…
After 12 years of suffering with proton….i won’t buy any cars that is rebadged under proton…even if it’s mercedes….i’ll rather buy a CBU lancer than Waja Lancer…there’s always a difference between Panasonic and Pensonic (QUALITY)
Ive heard from p1 salesman, just finished product training and some of them still waiting for training. 14/10/10 they will soft launch this model for pre-booking. next month only can officially launch. the price is in the range of 75k-79k for 1.8 Manual. 80-85k for 1.8 Auto and 90-95k for 2.0 Auto. 3 type only and 4 colours – red white silver black. 2 years @ 50000 km whichever comes first, free maintenance fee = lubrication oil, oil filter, gasket + service.
wuut? 75k? huh, surely scares buyers away!
is the 1.8 auto hve the same specs like the 2.0?..ofcoz except the engine…
aiyaaa. 1.8 auto 80k to 85k aaaa? i tot 75k to 80k
Yaloh, 70 to 80k price is more affordable for most low income ppl…. now bank interest so high 4.1%…. Proton please lower the price…
Hopefully 75k spec don’t like Vios J…
seriously though,
if price 75K for 1.8 manual. this lancer waja could eat vios @ city easily..i guess.
yup its true that proton price is already cheaper than its rival but people still buy imported cars just because they dont trust local quality. but this time its mitsubishi.
just like people buy produa for “so called toyota’s quality”.
p/s: nway. actually proton already improved a lot in term of quality not like before la..
biasa lah tu kerja sama proton dgn mitsubishi..tgok mini cooper tp enjin BMW..citrone tp engine Renault..sedangkan syrikat Jaguar gan Ford pun leh bangkrap ney kan Proton yg bru nk mula hidup.
PROTON INSPIRA..
today’s radio got disclose the new waja price. 2.0 < 90k and 1.8 < 80k, did every notice today proton Shah Alam showroom got covered with textile? should be new waja launching soon…
hopefully what u heard is True…..
in order to milk from the target prey & to optimize profit:-
2.0 should be MAX price of RM86K against Naza Forte 2.0 (RM93K)
5% less than Forte 2.0.
1.8 should be MAX at RM75K
but if P1 objective is to grab & kacau the Vios Dugong & CIty Optimus Prime MARKET,
2.0 should be MAX price of RM75K
1.8 should be MAX at RM65K
My post here for those who says “pity u lancer owner”.
let me start with why i’m buying lancer gt. its only because i nampak lancer sebagai kereta yg ada kelas tersendiri. and i know with figure above 100k, hanya golongan tertentu je can pay dat price. one of my fren did pay cash la for whole 120k. if pay by loan, still need consider 1k minimum per month. <–depend la berapa u bayar muka.
those who guy said "pity u lancer owner", and then these guys buy inspira, i nak tanya;
are u guys dah consider nak isi minyak bulan2? full tank rm100++. normally maximum 1 week la for those volume. (except u all beli inspira, then pegi keja naik motor)
already consider for maintainance? (okey, maybe proton already got sparepart murah)
lancer gt using 18 inch sport rim, and each 1 tyre cost rm800(toyotyre/yokohama), or maybe rm450(falken) <–roughly figure. which if change all tyre may cost rm1k above.
later u buy inspira and change 18"sportrim to look alike evo10, try la DONT use tayar celup/second hand.
later i sense almost all proton inspira owner gonna change bumper, put spoiler, change dat dis, just to show u own mitsubishi lancer @ evo10. (u can see today's wira car that become evo-wanabe).
my question, how many of this guy who shout "i'm proud of proton, i love proton dat produce inspira, or proton telah sama taraf dengan syarikat ternama dunia"
think again, u all puji2 proton inspira but later u change the badge into Japanese Insignia. whats dat?
owh, if u all none of them, its okey maa.
next question is why u said "pity u lancer owner" or "habis la keta lancer jatuh harga"
i only take dat as an insult and offensive to my status & all lancer's owner. With that price, i bukannya nak sombong, just nak state here dat we are professional citizen that not only can pay for the lancer gt price, but also able to maintain all the car expenses.
maybe u all can buy/own same car or better car from lancer gt. i respect dat, becoz i did love proton. but when u all shout "pity u lancer owner", think again bro. we are not in same level of living. plzz show some respect! plzz put in your mind, what if u are in the same situation with me/lancer owner. later u know la apa perasaan kitorang berdepan situasi ini. for me, maybe can change/buy new car. but for others, who knows.
think again bro.
Remember, dis post bukannya tuju kat semua proton inspira owner. i dont want u all tembak/kutuk2 i kat page ni.
Only who those keep shouting "pity u lancer owner". <— p/s : enjoy your inspira!
this pro n cons of proton reflects the people who comment here, u think? lets ponder:
1. Those who answer in English and Malay – not being racist but just shows the level of education. Key point here is how argument is presented. Hint: Many think receiving receiving a scroll, whether degree to doctorates has received an “education’. Eg. Its not about question of who rebadged who, but who is conning who? Answer this-why are we paying more for lower quality proton cars compared to export quality proton cars. Tepuk dada tanya selera. Jangan asyik ndak bela atau bangga membabi buta je. Ada tak rasa macam kena tipu kat org atas? renungkanlah..
2. Competitive Advantage – who cares about who rebadges who. Ask the right questions instead of giving correct answers. As with people and cars, saya nak tanya..sampai bila nak susukan anak yang kita panggil proton ini. kalo selalu disusukan, malaslah. lepas tuh..otak lembab. asyik ndak mintak tolong. nak tolong sampai bila? anak kedua nama perodua, walaupun rebadge dah boleh berjalan dgn sendiri, tak payah tolong dah. See what I mean? Who cares about who is rebadging who. its the competitive advantage spirit thats drives certain car companies. Cost leadership is rather dead, I’d say. You cant go on with cheap, cheap, cheap, come buy. Japanese cars, electrical products (sony walkman) etc were jokes when they started. They might not have the best, at least they learn to adapt, compete, and admit mistakes(recall). Dont argue like…eleh Toyota camner?Kena recall !!! sama gak. Phd and educated answers like that are mainly stupid. What retort you want me to give you? Kalo aku bagik camry kat engko, ndak tak? <-Stupid. The real issue is, most car companies have build they brand.
3. Culture- Proton is not the devil here. A great company is run by professionals who have passion. Inspira is a product which is at the end of the PLC. (product life cycle). ASX dah kluar dah…pelik kan, timing diorang? Proton, in order to lose that jaguh kampung mentality, should instead focus on customer service. cakap senang. (if u thought of that last line, then you should start questioning on which end of the culture spectrum you belong). Culture in a company needs to be nurtured. So Proton can build great cars. Problem is, is the culture in the company ready. Rasa bangga tak keje kat proton.
This is a chicken or egg first argument. Dah naik lemau daa….as for me, I am frustrated. I love my Proton car. I paid so much in maintaining it, only to know that it is problematic to start with. Recall? Takde pun…R&D ape? taik R&D kepala bana sape yang lulus enjin dah model Proton aku nih. So which ever bungling educated idiot does that 'aku bangga' crap by purchasing an inspira and then do cosmetic change to make it look like a lancer GT, well..u know who you care. Moral of the story is, if you are with Proton, then buy the inspira, leave the logo on. Drive it with pride. If you have a disliking for Proton, well…be optimistic and don't slam on anything that you can find. Or not you are just no better than a person trying real hard to show you 'educated' by sticking the university from behind you car. get my drift?