Proton has officially announced that it will be introducing Continuous Variable Transmission (CVT) technology to its upcoming range of cars. This move should come as no surprise to readers of this website, since mules testing the Campro IAFM+ CVT combo were spotted and posted in May. But don’t expect CVT to completely replace Proton’s current four-speed automatics – the seamless gearbox will be an option.
“We have been conducting comprehensive development and integration tests of the CVT with our CamPro engines and we are happy to be able to provide this option to future buyers soon,” said Dato’ Sri Syed Zainal Abidin Syed Mohamed Tahir, Group MD of Proton.
“In the near future, CVT will be mated to our CamPro engines as an option to our range of cars along with the conventional four speed automatic gear transmission that is currently being used. This feature will not only provide more than just a smoother drive but it will also contribute towards fuel efficiency and savings to the user,” he added.
Proton says that the use of CVT, as opposed to their regular auto ‘box reduces transmission weight by up to 20% without compromising output capabilities. “It allows the car to change gear ratios seamlessly, eliminating transmission shock, facilitating greater responsiveness and smooth, consistent power delivery. CVT also offers various driving modes to suit the driver’s preference and feel,” the release stated.
“In view of fuel price pressure on consumers, we know that the introduction of CVT will contribute significantly to improving their lives as it not only provides them with a smoother drive but also helps reduce fuel consumption. Lower fuel consumption also impacts the environment significantly by reducing CO2 emissions,” Syed Zainal added,
Proton’s tests show that the adoption of CVT can reduce fuel consumption by up to 4% in urban driving and almost up to 10% for highway driving. There’s also a 5% emissions improvement thrown in the mix. No timeline has been given as to when the first CVT equipped Proton will be launched.
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i have prefered a 5 or 6 speed conventional auto rather than CVT…alot more fun to drive…thers sting very weird when driving CVT …fuel economy change is jus few kilometers per ful tank more…not so significant as much as manufacturers make u believe….
i hope mitsubishi or proton modify the cvt for campro abit since the one on the inspira is noisy….
their new cvt supplier are not the same supplier as mitsu and nissan..
where do you get this info cos I thought P1 usually uses jatco-mitsu gb
definatly from mitsu….makes no sence if its sourced from somebody else…
you sure dont read many articles or news are you….o.0..if you read MoFaz post he already mention it from punch motive cvt..
having too many options for small market is only going to increase the production cost. you just can't make everyone happy, but sure you can make the majority satisfied, that's enough.
can u plz enlighten me which model that 5/6 auto come from? and the price those car too,tq
btw,hope saga got cvt also..i'm waiting
mitsubishi or proton modify the cvt?
What has Mistubishi to do with Proton's CVT?
inspira's engine is noisy, not the gearbox.
why is the slyphy so quiet if the CVT is noisy?
btw, slyphy = lancer CVT(hardware)
Because the Sylphy starts at RM114,880?
That's RM29,881 MORE than a Inspira with CVT. For around RM30k more I cant expect a quiet engine? ;)
inspira's engine is noisy, not the gearbox.
im talking about the CVT, both lancer and slyphy uses the same CVT with different software. that is why both their ratios are identical. u can go to jatco's website and search it.
nabil says that the CVT is noisy, not talking about engine, price and bla bla.
its not from japan.. its european technoloy… no more japs gearbox…
hallo… shell make advert that they can save 1 liter of fuel for every full thank oso what… give saving oso complaint…
good move…
oh boy… oh boy… our newly launch "Lagi Best" will probably dead…
hahah provoke
Well, "Lagi Best" originally have CVT.. But after came here downgraded by P2. If P1 launch CVT, maybe P2 will be forced to fit the CVT ler.. This will benefit all of us.
but our "Lagi best" does not have CVT right? I will regret to buy Lagi Best if i saw this one.. sigh… hahaha
Agreed. Competition is good. Perodua already starting to offer Dual Airbags as standard for all variants of it's Myvi. I'm hoping Proton will follow suit. It's healthy competition.
Wow new feature!!! But bit doubt that they have the time to check the CVT quality or not since the MD said they produce so many car in a day ^^
Haha…. Savvy, i also scare u no longer produce in P1 plant.. Due to "too many car produce in a day, and cannot check the parts".. P1 hardcore supporters, before bash me please check around the net and ask whether Savvy still production or not? And what the reason.. :P
Savvy going to become 2nd Tiara again in the market.. Time to sell ur Savvy fast fast be4 no value at all!!!
Meaning that second hand savvy is very cheap, good news, who want to sell facelift savvy full spec? I want one…very goooood engine, AMT and driving dynamic
Wakaka… the Savvy owner can buy another Savvy in cheap price and keep as spare parts :)
Come on, that was OBVIOUSLY a misquote by the journalist. Which CEO in his right mind would say something like that?
Come on, pls dont always blame the reporter / journalist.. they just write whatever they listen..
if the press is not under certain politic party, then no point to create own story..
furthermore, it will be sue if reporter / journalist give wrong information..
adoi, org kg pon xnk cvt ni lar bang…
when proton does not give you cvt you say that proton outdated…and now when proton is giving you cvt you kata orang kampung xnak..what type of mindset laaa…
go ask around to see how many like CVT 1st. Lancer GT/Civic Hybrid and more would be selling like hot cake if they are not CVT'ed….mind you CVT is not something new. 5AT/6MT are at least something…
good r&d ground for Proton. No matter how bad the cars they make, it'll sell more than any single import.
Nothing for them to lose.
the more you wait to buy proton the better offer you get. Felt sorry to SAGA FL owner… if CVT is just a plug and play, I would put in my persona…sighhhh
but the more u wait…the more suffering u get while using public transport.heheheh
Cam-tak-pro already more than 10 year, it is time long overdue to replace with totally new engine.
Toyota NZ engine family (which can be found in Vios) also more than 10 years old already la… and Proton's new engine already in the pipeline. wait for it if you want.
Proton new engine ? How's that like ? When ? Campro 20 years already deriving from old Saga engine block design. This Campro with CVT gearbox is going for how long before it launches new engines with CVT later ?
take the 20 years old Saga engine and put it side by side with Campro. if you can't see the different, you might be blind! go check your eyes and maybe your brain too :) the old saga is using carburettor, Campro is injection, wasn't that clear enough to you??.. stupid basher.
it is an adaptation from Saga engine. Changed to EFI which is not difficult. What's so innovative about this Campro engine when in fact took 10 years on to come out with cam profiling was it called CPS ? Adoh. In between got what IFAM is it ? All that crap things that nobody wants once out of this country. Shame lah. Kudos to proton users, you are buying engine blocks manufactured by Perodua ! No wonder, Perodua is always ahead of proton.
Are you an idiot or what? The old Saga engines were Mitsubishi Orion 4G13 / 4G15 while the Campro engine codes are S4PH and S4PE. Plus, the old Saga engines were 8-valve SOHC engines before being upgraded to 12-valve engines, while the Campro is already 16-valve DOHC direct-acting without any rocker arm at all. Plus, the old Saga used a carburetor while the Campro is already fuel-injected.
And one more thing that shows your stupidity is your maths. The old base Campro first debuted in 2004 in the Gen-2 and it was only in 2008 that the IAFM and CPS debuted. So how come the 4-year gap became 10 years as you claim? What grade did you get for your SPM Maths?
you dont read my post,do you?
Waiting? Play waite game, why not compare with Hyundai (same age with Proton)? Vios, what I know is this model is less than 10 year old from 1st model? Are you crap for nothing.
go read history book before you want to talk about history, kiddo. i had enough with people stupidly saying Proton is as old as Hyundai/Kia. let me give you a clue kid… When Proton was founded in 1985, Kia is already 20 years old!
don’t use the term ‘expatriate’ if you’re just construction worker.
So ? Kia started off building bicycles for a long decades. Proton started off straight away came out with cars. So that's the difference why you are not there when everyone catches with you and ahead of you millions km away. Still want to live in denial in life here ? Good carry on your fantasy thinking you are doing the right things. See who bothers about your so called achievement. Purr.
oh my god.. don't you realise how stupid are you?
how many people rode bicycles in 1940s? and how many people still riding bicycles in 1985????
If Proton were established in 1940s, yes they could've started with bicycles. i guess you just don't understand anything. so keep on being number "Dua" !
Better to admit to be number two than talk this talk that half full vessel at end of day never accomplished anything for so long to come for any forsaken exucses after excuses. Already given so much handicapped yet can't beat any players out there. What a shame. look at Koreans and China how their auto industries now. Don't come and tell me your bulls about their people buying local made cars so are our locals not buying local cars ? At least one local made car in our house. I had three alone. What about you ? Given even the fact Kia and Hyundai give you 10 years of handcapped for the crap excuses, can you for sure guarantee you are able to achieve what they achieve now ? Don't answer me unless you can catch up. Goodlah keep on living in denial and on cloud nine malam malam moonlighting joli katak. Purr.
as you said, look at Koreans car eh?..
Korean government announced the Automobile Industry Promotion Policy in 1962, and The Automobile Industry Protection Act to protect their car makers. Everyone were forced to buy local cars because import were banned!!! go to Korea if you like and try drive around the cities.. can you find Honda City or Toyota Vios there????
you can't argue with correct facts, and now you rambling about cloud nine and moonlighting joli katak? such a loser, you don't even deserve to be no 2.
I will buy Korean cars in Korea regardless whether any incriminating ACts or not looking at their cars making me drooling if you haven't to Korea already. I am ok with your name callings here. Of course they don't need to buy Vios or City because they buy more expensive Japanese and Continental cars in Korea. Progree, progree my friend, where are you now compares to the world outside. Still living in denial kah ? By the way, Vios and City are pretty good cars to start with, I had both of them before. Take a three months leaves and go see the world out there if you can afford the very first place. You won't regret travelling and learning what's out there never mind if you don't agree with me as the truth is out there. Truth and facts will linger on top of your head for a long time to come. Excuses and facts denial get you nowhere today, tomorrow or the future.
wait for 2014..
There are company designing their banner, poster & catalog…waiting to print…
Sure a lot of comment……. Good move proton !
Sure a lot of die hard fans…….. I am sorry, I have choose Toyota. But keep on the good move!
so what if you choose toyota? even toyota altis also just started using cvt…
It means…. dia tipu je. Hahaha……
Its already July 2011, and we haven't seen the Exora turbo yet. Delayed again ?
heard it delayed to dec..
better delay than giving out unperfected products
Let's wait for guinea pigs to test the reliability of Proton's CVT.
The CVT is by Punch Motive of Germany, not Proton. Punch acquires a licence to use the CVT-technology developed by ZF, a company which produce CVT for BMW, Mini, Hyundai and even Chery.
ic… initially i thought Proton's CVT is from Nissan.
btw which BMW and Hyundai model used this CVT gb?
anyway, looking forward on this CVT soon.
BMW used a CVT transmission in the previous generation MINI Cooper, mated to the Tritec engine. They switched to 6-speed automatic for the current generation with Prince engine.
Punch Powertrain (formerly ZF St-Truiden) is from Belgium, not Germany.
thanks for the correction :) but they acuired ZF's technology, so the gb is german-tech :)
ZF was only the owner for 8 years (1998-2006).
Actually, 'Punch Powertrain' has a lot more experience with CVT's than ZF. They already build the CVT gearbox for the 'DAF/Volvo Variomatic' from 1972…
http://www.punchpowertrain.com/en/about-us/our-hi…
Guys.
Just like to add. If I remember correctly, Proton says the warranty of the CVT gearboxes was given by the Punch Motive themselves. Les worry, I hope.
For those Malaysian who want German’s Technology at Malaysian Prices (the car), its your change……………….
I did some google, most site says, the major disadvantages of CVT was driver’s perception and the oil cost a bit more plus it make the engine sound like clutch slipping. That’s all I can find for time being.
Just my 2 cents……..
do they have the time to check the spare parts 1 by 1?
spare parts? you don't get spare parts when you buy new car, you only get spare parts when you replace the broken parts on your car. you only get spare tyre. hehe.
ok, seriously.. if proton sell 200,000 cars a year, that's mean there are 800,000 set of power window motors (just for example). the question is what kind of test need to be done by Proton? up and down 1000 times each motor?
to connect the motor to power input, then up and down several time may take few minutes, let say 5 minutes. then how many man hour needed just to test the power windows? almost 67,000 hours, that's more than 8000 man days. to get the test done within 1 year, proton need 22 person for that. should proton pay for this? NO! the parts come from vendors and the vendors are the one who should do the QC. if the vendors producing parts below quality, they are the ones who should cover the replacement costs. that's why now proton give you lifetime warranty on power windows :)
Friend, you are the manufacturer and you should control your part suppliers. We are customer, and we know nothing about the spare part but how to drive the car.
yes, but many, if not most of the issue regarding proton cars are because of the parts which are not manufactured by Proton. the most prominent issues on waja are power windows and door handles, both manufactured by vendors. BUT… if the design itself is not good, then Proton should also take the responsibility.
For your information, industries do not check their products one by one…they use sampling plan..maybe every 1000 units, 10 sampling…only check on the 10 units to represent the 1000 units…if one or more of the 10 units are faulty, then some measures will be taken, eg. rework, reject, etc…you might say that there are 990 others that might be faulty..that's y, when doing sampling, it must be totally random…there r system for being random, eg. completely random, block random, etc..
correct! some sectors are doing the test by batch. that’s why sometimes you’ll find that a recall being made to a certain batch only… from my example above, it’s very time consuming to check each and every item, 1 by 1.
confirm CVT with Campro IAFM+ ? or CVT with Campro IAFM ?
i hear people say IAFM+ have VVT ……hope no more IAFM please
inspira cvt is silent as silent as punto cvt though utilizing steel belt to change gear ratio all round. Cvt is well known among fiat cars past 10 yrs ago . Very good technology indeed developed by Ferrari. Could be good to apply for small cc car such as Saga due to helping FC and driveability. Hope to see new Saga with CVT 6 speed . PERFECT
CVT 7 speed is even better
When it comes to CVT, u can put 100 speed also.
Definitely! Hence the word "Variable" in Continuous Variable Transmission. By the way, can any Proton employee here clarify whether this is the new IAFM?
CVT was developed by Ferrari?
Wikipedia: 'The first patent for a friction-based belt CVT was filed in Europe by Daimler and Benz in 1886, and a US Patent for a toroidal CVT was granted in 1935.'
well, i might give Proton CVT a try. Hope the quality issue will be settle by then.
I'm driving CVT carr more than 7 years, imported new Japanese car . They claim it as most robust and reliable CVT compared to locally assemble of the same brand. As for 2.0L, the car is very economical and powerful. However, It happened to me 2 years back, I have to replace the CVT gearbox, it cannot be repaired! Just to share, the car was maintained by the importer, as on the schedule. Just sold my lovely CVT car – MPV!
Which MPV is this?
You have to find the right guys to do the maintenance.
so can this be retrofitted to existing cars ? XD
probably yes. but you may need to retune your engine or ECU to accomodate this CVT gb. BUT… would you spend thousands just to get 4-10% improvement on fuel economy? NGV is better option :)
Gearbox without teeth cannot handle high torque loads. VW dual clutch is better.
cvt is not the best option for proton…i think this cvt suitable with hi-powered cars
u got it wrong…cvt is best for low powered car…it cant handle large amount of torque…
depends on what type of cvt they want to use and how much they can afford to pay. As what I've read, there is cvt gearbox which is manufactured by a German company and it can handle torque as high as 400NM. You guys can go to the following site to have a read. http://www.luk.com/content.luk.de/en/products/tra…
Anyway, this CVT from Punch for Proton cars, how much max. torque can it handle? I just want to know.
there's chain driven and belt driven cvts…. audi is using the chain driven type..hence no prob even coupled with a turbo
Correct me if I am wrong… but i thought CVT gearboxes have one big problem? If I remember correctly, the previous generation Jazz/City had their CVT gearboxes replaced after a lot of them failed after a certain period. Think the same also happened to the Latio's (think it is Latio) gearbox. So, the question is, would this CVT face the same fate or have their found a work around?
There are allegedly issues with the Honda CVT transmissions, yes.
Nissan Sylphy, Mitsubishi Lancer, Proton Inspira, Audi A4, Audi A6, etc all used CVT. Don't let one bad apple spoil the whole basket.
Latio was launched here with 4-speed automatic.
Dont forget the Murano, Altis, Taena, ASX and lancer sportback
Ah… I have been enlightened. Thanks :)
CVT box has been wrongly accused for being fragile & unreliable. For Honda case, Honda Malaysia failed to service their CVT properly by pooring normal ATF into those unlucky boxes (back in 2003-2004).
Today, Lancer, Altis, Sylphy, Insight, and whole lot more cars are using CVT and they are just as reliable as normal torque converter, conventional auto..
Good move to bring in the CVT.. time to get rid of the Campro.. :)
its transmission dude, not engine…
AS far i know CVT gearbox cannot be overhaul. need to be replace only when faulty.
The drive belt and clutch packs are serviceable/changeable but at current labor skill & availability of parts=expensive.
i'd prefer if they can come out with 5 speed auto with + – option.
ohh *WOW* proton's and CVTs – I'm soooooo *impressed*
lets bring it on i willingly to try it for test drive
Wow, so many unqualified engineers comments here…
i thought Proton gonna use Nissan CVT…but they choose a vendor from German…good move also….Good Luck… 'Lagi Best' will start changing to 'Lagi Takut' soon….. :-p
i read somewhere, this IAFM+ CVT comes with LCD player & GPS, price only RM45k
If that is true, then it's a steal!
aduh… "lagi best" will dead…
give CVT want auto… give auto ask for manual… give DSG not willing to pay… what lah
haha, nice 1
saga + cvt = looks like we got a winner here
so what? for 25 years since its establishment (about the same as proton), Hyundai has moved from a local player to 5th largest carmaker worldwide and now they're developing dual-clutch gearbox. P2 takyah cakap la… lg la x de apa2.
skiborne, where do you get your information from? hyundai motor company was established in 1967.
also, you cant compare proton to hyundai. Korea is a country that has a history of heavy industry while malaysia was still focused on agriculture. They have within the hyundai group, heavy industries, aerospace, electronics, steel, petrochemicals..etc.. they are a massive group. When proton started in ’85, it marked the first time malaysia attempted any sort of engineering feat.
hyundai started as a shipping company, and heavy industries, but later on, car industry which was approx 25 years ago
why are u soooo stuborn? why did you trying so hard to prove that you’re right when you know you’re wrong?… don’t just simply create your own facts la..!!!
Kia Industry started assembling cars in cooperation with Mazda in 1964, that’s 47 years ago! Hyundai Motor Company formed in 1968 with the technical cooperation of the Ford Motor Company, that’s 43 years ago! I’m sure all mathematic teacher will say 43 and 47 years old is older than 26 years.
skiborne, are you an idiot or what? Hyundai Motor Corp. was formed in 1968, that's 43 years ago! What grade did you get for your SPM Maths? Don't tell me that 2011 minus 1968 equals to 25 because even primary school kids can still count a lot better than you. Like us, they started in their home grounds before exporting their cars.
get your facts right before shooting proton and i know you love the lagi best girl car…
go and get the girlie car and sod off!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Motor_Compan…
wikipedia isnt always reliable, just type "Malaysia", though is not much but still..
Of course Wikipedia is not always reliable as anyone can edit it, but they do have a very strict policy to cite the reference sources in order to make them more reliable.
in love with "lagi best" car? btw, do u even understand the last phrase that i typed?? that was in Malay
Better chek ur facts. Hyundai was founded in 1947…more that 64 years ago..
Well, let's say I trust Proton but not it's crony suppliers.. Hope no crony giving corny parts this time. It's for the best of all.
how do you know crony supplier?
1 other people said
2 politician said
3 paper or blog said
4 making up guess
5 you wrk at crony company
6 u r the crony
7 u personally knows
Proton's CVT will come from China.
Punch transmissions is a Belgium based company who bought a license from ZF to produce CVT's…
[youtube 6hOHjcZTWJo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hOHjcZTWJo youtube]
you can see proton exora at 0.31s….
Proton consider dual clutch transmission in future, That satisfy ALL, auto tranny convenience, manual tranny power delivery, smooth & seamless CVT tranny, easy & spirited AMT manual gear change and longer lifespan as well. Expensive? In long run and large volume, later we can see the economies of scale kill all those price.
u can see "PRISMO" at 2:00 …. haha
"Proton’s tests show that the adoption of CVT can reduce fuel consumption by up to 4% in urban driving and almost up to 10% for highway driving."
is the percentage from the statement consider large?
any saving is a saving.. no matter how big or small, will be great save in the long run. Shell is saying that u could save 1 litre of petrol every time u fill in full-tank. for 50l tank, that 1 litre is just 2% saving, yet they managed to make it sounds like a big deal, right? so, convert that to Proton case, 10% saving could means u use 5l less petrol than normal car on highway, or about RM9.50 cheaper on your travel cost :)
Not to me.
remember Shell is saying you could save 1litre petrol everytime u fill up full tank with their fuel? well, i'm not sure how much (in term of litres) that Shell refering the full tank is. Myvi is 40litre, Camry is 70litre, so i just assume 50litre. For 50litre tank, that's just 2% saving. In Proton case, 10% saving could means you use 5litre less than their normal 4-speed auto gearbox.
I am proton Supporter…but i dont like CVT that much….boring…..
no problem, u can still buy normal 4 speed auto, or manual. read first ya.
I think Proton should improving their engine first before introduce this CVT gearbox as well. When the engine is efficient plus with CVT so the fuel consumption can be lower than now.
-to wait until their engine improve ,,,we done know when it could be achieve,
-but to do it parallel is another option they have…. they may fail….but i hope they survive and also improve
Proton, don't stop at IAFM + CVT.. this will not be selling point..
You already add ride + handling for Proton and now you need to develop signature sound to Proton engine.
Pls add front strut bar for better cornering and engine cover or firewall soundproofing to reduce engine noise and radiator fan noise. Then everyone will love to drive their Protons!
My wife driving City ’08 with CVT. Buy new until now no issue. Now at 85K.
Change CVTF every 40K. Robust or not? yes , for me.
what is CVTF?
Most probably he was referring to CVT fluid.
CVT box has been wrongly accused for being fragile & unreliable. For Honda case, Honda Malaysia failed to service their CVT properly by pooring normal ATF into those unlucky boxes (back in 2003-2004).
So much comments for little upgrade by Proton, in which case, it is already long overdue.
ok good to see this but i hope proton will see further use new develop technology no current technology you must think about the future to be taiko.
tested it. i hell of jerking party. slow and noisy. i feel like the car was being pullled by a bull. i was hot until i can felt it burning my but. just to move, i got to rev it up to 5000rpm… 10km/h, the rpm at 4000… 60km/h the rpm at 4500… push the pedal to reach 80km/h, heard a loud noise, then the car stopped. looked back and see the whole box dropped off from underneath the car… then the engineer collected it back, screwed then, signed the sheet as PASS, ready for production.
R U ok? or Sick…. better take a Sick Leave~ take ur time at home~
Very funny! Thanks for the entertainment. Now, beat it!
yeah aku terhibur ngan komen ko bro
So will proton cvt car be cheaper as compare to the conventional 4s autobox.
wow
if u want cvt 7 speed frm prtn, wait next year, i think there will be a 6 speeder cvt this year. N it couple with improve campro that is iafm+ n cfe tubo. There will be no vanilla campro n campro iafm. Cps,iafm+ n cfe. But cps heard will eol next year. When p r come out next year, then u will know how much prtn has leap n bound. British(lotus)/german(getrag)/belgium(punch)/italian(italdesign)@european tech n design, at malaysian price(dont point out about tax coz we have to live with it). So,is it enough for malaysian? I dunno,for its more than enough.
No matter how small it is still an imprvmnt fr p1… work hard and keep it up!
Excellent! Now the next step is to introduce turbocharged 1.3 campro + CVT + ABS. Keep up the good work.
BTW Paul, this new format for your blog is a little messy. In my opinion, the previous styling/format easier to read, more informative (which clearly highlights who are the commentators, time of posting, reply to a comment is displayed by default).
Yup agree paiul.. this new format is a bit messy… prefer the older ones
Even Honda's had trouble with CVT, proton wants to take it on? Good luck with that.
so what???
what so great abt honda's cvt? proton rulezz hahaha
Do u think there is only one type of CVT?
Commonly used for cars is using hydraulic, that is where the problem come.
LOL.
haha i still remember old city model got a lot of problem cause by cvt. Fortunately, Honda get rid of it for newer models.
Again, it was due to mulfunction of its hydraulic system.
Do u think CVT only use hydraulic? There're toroidal and other type.
Excellent! Now the next step is to introduce turbocharged 1.3 campro + CVT + ABS. Keep up the good work.
its an opinion not complaint…u r very bright!
i dono why proton not revealing the cvt supplier….
I guess our PROTON SKU(syarikat kurang upaya) think its a major LEAP in the motor INDUSTRY and the greatest GIFT to the rakyat with the of CVT option which has been around since the 1950's(WIKIPEDIA),I guess we will have to wait for another 60 years for PROTON cars to be good and reliable base on they current level of progress.
Does it comes with a lifetime warrantty just like their power window?
I guess in the next 10 years we can expect a SAGA with electric seat!!!
Cant wait for another major leap in our motor industry. ;-)
what you want, a PDK go and get porsche. be realistic.
Yes… CVT is old tech…
but TOY OTAK, P2 and etc.. still using convention GB till now… so what would u say..
ya. go buy porche. why wait?
Honda City is the 1st come out (Fourth generation (2002–2008) with CVT.
9 years already….Proton..Rubbish !! News also mention . proton are never do QC test for every vehicle. cause they say "Not enough Time !!" to do QC. less an hour for 1 car. evern faster then lego.. hehehehe
Idiot…do your research….CVT is nothing new, not invented by Honda, it has been around for decades, use in heavy vehicles and such. Honda blows in CVT…the City iDSI has loads of gearbox problems….why do you think new City no more iDSI?? Because tak boleh pakai punya.
I believe this Proton tie up with NISSAN for the CVT transmission. Nissan is the forerunner in CVT transmission nowadays, almost all their cars also using CVT now.
bro…how many years honda n toyota took to have VTI engine? fiat already use it for dacades!..y dount u say HONDA n TOYOTA RUBBISH? or perhaps SUPER RUBBISH? bangang!
what kind of price will Proton Saga now? RM50K? …
IAFM+, CVT, lcd player and GPS.. i heard it will be sold at 45k only!
I rather get Manual then getting this CVT only technology… its definately not enough.. what we need is better engines & BETTER BUILD QUALITY & BETTER STYLING INTERIOR. The current engine burn a lot of fuel when in urban driving and also when the car get caught in a jam.
We need "TIMING CHAIN" car, not "TIMING BELT"! CAMPRO IS A DOHC ENGINE AND NEED MORE MONEY CHANGING TIMING BELT!
What's the fuss between timing belt or chain as long it activate the OHCams.I remember during the 90 I used to own 3 Mazda b4 & they run on timing chain while the T & H uses belts.Everybody especially the car salesman at that time claim that belt were more quite & smooth….so you tell me.
you are getting a car at this price and expecting mercedes quality is it?
Even the most fuel-efficient car burns a lot of fuel when it is stuck in a jam. If you want a real fuel-efficient vehicle, then get yourself a bicycle.
This is good and all, but the main question still remains – safety.
What I want to know will all proton start having ABS?? Whats the use having a high line Saga with all the fancy stuff while the basic still doesn't have basic safety. ABS should be made standard first. And airbags, for all lines. MyVI can do it, why cant proton?
Iskett, go check out “Proton S16 (aka Saga) crash test by ANCAP (Australian version of Euro NCAP) on Youtube.
They got “3 stars” (while all other car got “5 stars”), so buy at yr own risk.
Ps… Proton Jumbuck (aka Arena) got “ONE Star” , you get freak out if u see the crash test.
Wikipedia: 'Australia, where the Arena's nearest competitor sells for approximately $8,000 more, is its biggest buyer'
$8000 is RM25846.27…
What do you expect? That a car that is RM26k cheaper than it's nearest competitor is as good and safe?
yep myvi can do it but saga is within viva price range…so do your calculation
why dont u compare the price between myvi and saga……
woah..this is one hell of a news! Way to go Proton.
i believe it's IAFM+ and CVT, not IAFM + CVT.
the difference? IAFM+ is supposed to be an improvement over the current (normal) IAFM.
after got CVT.. please dont forget to put paddle shift…
hohoh.. :p
Personally, I think that paddle shifters on a CVT-equipped car is just a gimmick. I prefer a relaxing drive on CVT. If I really want to shift gears, I'd rather get a Manual.
Campro engines need to be ditched.
No use recycling outdated technology.
DSZ what a waste of time and resources coming up
with this wimp of an engine !!
Ford used their Kent engines for 44 years since 1959 to 2002 before switching to their Duratec engines. Now, are you going to assume Ford as "recycling outdated technology" as well?
Why loads of hate comments? A progress, is a progress; and progress, means Proton is moving forward, and it is good…..
true that.
at least progress is made :)
Call that progress by just taking the products from others ?
even one dude mention he already tested it before the journo being called up for testing it, funny is it. So many bull**** comments from prtn bashers. Experience to believe, wait untill it launch and comments. It only cvt n 1.3 iafm plus((not old iafm),so dont expect 2.0 performance, but if can beat 1.5 performance especially new 1.5 myvi and vios or even city, so its excellent already. If better than old iafm n 4 auto in current car, so it is better in deed. So paul,what happened to my old comments?
car makers spent billions on RNDs… we proton use malaysians as lab rats for their RND…. Malaysia Boleh!
if i was Proton… i would not publish any news on the CVT developments cuss its kind of abit too late heyy….. its embarrassing…
better late than never
:p
another ng yen yen type.. couldn't be until billions lah..that's too much..maybe yes but for certain car makers of course!
u always post hate comments on proton news. we already know you're proton basher.
wait until perodua put CVT on Myvi.. i think you're going to jump, jump and jump until your house collapse.
hopefully p1 will release a new model wif cvt transmission soon. cant wait! hehe
Better late than never !!
After 25 years, cannot produce own gearbox. What type of National Automotive Policy?
tell us how long hyundai n kia took to hv their own gear box?
can you pls tell me how many car mfg out there actually mass produces their own gearbox.In this industries everybody get it from somebody lah.
after 25 years can u build ur own house?
i think among Asian OEM hyundai n honda build their own T/M…even Mitsubishi is using JATCO T/M…Mr Patriot, maybe u could set up a company and then convince us to buy your product for Proton cars…
Proton, do allow retrofitting of IAFM+ CVT for existing owners worldwide or use existing owners to trial test the IAFM+ CVT settings. You will build confidence faster this way!
waaa this is really a good news.. good job proton, moving fwd :)
could not wait for the IAFM + CVT in P1….hopefully it will have wow feeling while driving
Actually CVT is an existing technology, nothing new, funny that most people here act surprised…"Whoa, moving forward, progress…!" haha, well it's a nice feature from Proton anyway, but the CVT gearbox technology is nothing new itself.
"Leonardo da Vinci, in 1490, conceptualized a stepless continuously variable transmission.[10] The first patent for a friction-based belt CVT was filed in Europe by Daimler and Benz in 1886, and a US Patent for a toroidal CVT was granted in 1935."
Reference : Harris, William. "How CVTs Work". HowStuffWorks, Inc.. Retrieved 3 December 2007, McGarry, Ben. "A Proposed Durnin IVT Transmission – A Review by Dr. Ben McGarry, Principal Engineer at e3k Think". Infinitely Variable Transmission. Retrieved 11 August 2010.
Give me suggestion, which 1 is better & affordable between P1 & P2? I’m going to buy a car based on people’s opinions.
i have use new proton flx cvt , buy rm30 fual about 13 liter it can go 165.5 km before empty . great to use new technology from proton car .
If Proton can fit in Volvo 1.6L turbo engine with 6 speed conventional Automatic gearbox for their C-Segment Car. Best Lah!!!!!
I wish Proton use volvo 1.6L turbo engine with 6 speed conventional AT gearbox for their C-Segment car. Best lah….